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Finished watching Requiem for Vengeance. Pretty standard war story stuff, only slightly better than Igloo.
I don't think it's a spoiler to say that the show is fairly interested in interrogating that perspective rather than taking it as a given. Whether or not it lands for you is up to you, but 00 is aware 'the killing will continue until the killing stops' is not actually a viable solution persay and wants to say stuff about it."We shot up some troops and carpet-bombed a forest! Finally, we've ended The Troubles AND drug trafficking!"
Though I'm pretty sure when you have a Hospital ship you aren't supposed to be putting military materials on there and I remember that at minimum the ship had MS on it, thereby making it a military target and I am around 40% sure it was also loaded with scientists and data the Apsalus project had?Someone copied a beat from 08th MS Team without understanding it. The GM Sniper shooting down the hospital ship was bad because...it was a hospital ship. That's been a warcrime since the invention of battlefield medicine. Shooting down retreating enemy forces is a lot more nebulous, although of course context is still important.
And also a bunch of Newtype kids disappearing into the aether because they achieved enlightenment from being babysat.08th's good romanticized ending is not the Federation winning, but the hero deserting, for a reason.
And also a bunch of Newtype kids disappearing into the aether because they achieved enlightenment from being babysat.
He's referring to the epilogue episode, Last Resort, which is pretty disconnected from the rest of the show in plot and tone and a lot of people didn't like it for that reason. It also never got broadcast in the US as part of the Toonami run, although I'm unsure of its status as far as media legally available in the US....What's that got to do with two of the most grounded installments in UC you can find?
I wanted to contribute something....What's that got to do with two of the most grounded installments in UC you can find?
Personally I think a better ending would have been something like thisHe's referring to the epilogue episode, Last Resort, which is pretty disconnected from the rest of the show in plot and tone and a lot of people didn't like it for that reason. It also never got broadcast in the US as part of the Toonami run, although I'm unsure of its status as far as media legally available in the US.
Personally I think it's a real damn weird conclusion considering the rest of the show but at least it's nice to get a confirmation on Shiro and Aina's status instead of being left in canon limbo for decades like Char and Amuro after the end of CCA.
Though I'm pretty sure when you have a Hospital ship you aren't supposed to be putting military materials on there and I remember that at minimum the ship had MS on it, thereby making it a military target and I am around 40% sure it was also loaded with scientists and data the Apsalus project had?
Where are you getting your spelling from? The subs I used spelled them "Ghinias" and "Apsalus".
Where are you getting your spelling from? The subs I used spelled them "Ghinias" and "Apsalus".
You know that makes me wonder how you could play it out differently with a commander who is still brutal and pragmatic but not absolutely trying to piss everyone off.Why did the Federation (i.e. regimental commander Ryer and base commander Kojima) order a Ground GM Sniper to shoot it down, something everyone on the Zeonic side knew was immediately possible (why is why Aina made her whole dramatic gesture in the first place)? Because Gineas, the actual pilot of Asparas, fired on a number of Ground GMs behind the very recent and very informal frontline, shortly after the ceasefire. Which promptly ended the ceasfire. Ryer is, very clearly, supposed to be a major league asshole, which is why he bites the bullet whereas Kojima, disgusted with his behavior, survives. He was almost certainly looking for a reason to shoot down the Kergeren, literally a Zeon space crusier at its most vulnerable point, and may've done so at any point frankly. It just happens that the actions of his enemy, after a gesture of good faith, gave him a perfect reason to do so. Ryer is a very typical example of a Federation military bureaucracy monster, but Gineas is the principle antagonist of the OVA; even Aina repudiates him, her own brother, after the Kergeren is shot down. Circustances just gave Ryer a perfect opportunity to do what he wanted to do, and might've done anyway, because in his mind Zeon perfidy and a few Ground GM pilots are probably more than justification for killing thousands of Zeonic wounded, much less than hundreds or dozens loaded on the cruiser. And shooting down the cruiser itself is his job (certainly a less politically controversial part that "killing enemy wounded admid evacuation"). 08 MS TEAM did earn some controversy for once again highlighting what barbarity the Federation could be circumstantially capable of (just don't read the novelization, hoo-boy), but that's only against a background of the OVA presenting Zeon as a bunch of hopeless, drug-fueled holdouts capable of the same atrocities or worse. There's part of the fanbase ("Not muh Federation!") where that's not good, but too bad for them, since the OVAs that followed hardly take it much easier on the Good Guys in Grey, and what Origin presents--canonical incompatibility the original pre-OYW narrative aside--is that for whatever barbarism the Federation might show Zeon, you really shouldn't care that much, because frankly, they do worse to their supposed constituencies (Earth and the rest of Earth-Sphere under federal control), who aren't capable of overthrowing them in something resembling a war of extermination. Because they can. That's one of the things that makes Thunderbolt and Hathaway's Flash interesting--the suggestion that there are organized threats to Federation hegemony that, at least temporarily, might justify their tyranny that aren't really the fault of Zeon....so much as the fault of the failures of Federation political rule.
The Gundam wiki. Though admittedly, upon checking they spell "Ginias" without the e, which I didn't remember, and I swapped the p and the s in Apsaras. It's been a while, and U.C. Gundam has always had that problem.
That's one of the things that makes Thunderbolt and Hathaway's Flash interesting--the suggestion that there are organized threats to Federation hegemony that, at least temporarily, might justify their tyranny that aren't really the fault of Zeon....so much as the fault of the failures of Federation political rule.
I mean I never really buy many attempts to invoke grey vs grey conflict when Zeon is involved because honestly they're Zekes, fuck the Zekes
Also I'm kind've a bit salty by the fact that shooting the HLV's is considered a bad thing even though that is a perfectly legal action on acount of those forces not surrendering. In addition later lore reveals that Zeon used the forces it got off of earth to further dig in so is the EFF was able to destroy all the HLV's it would have made the final battles of the OYW less brutal.
Someone copied a beat from 08th MS Team without understanding it. The GM Sniper shooting down the hospital ship was bad because...it was a hospital ship. That's been a warcrime since the invention of battlefield medicine. Shooting down retreating enemy forces is a lot more nebulous, although of course context is still important.
Because that's what the Zeon told them, when Aina plead for a cease fire in the middle of a weeks-long siege in the Southeast Asian theater towards the end of the war. It doesn't meet the reasonable definition of hospital ships, but it is an example of "armed cruiser that happens to be loaded with wounded and is hoping to leave the area of combat" which isn't the same thing.