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Lieutenant General Gundam

The legs being long. Hell, the Unicorn Gundam stands on high heels.

I'm curious to know how people will rationalize a world after the Box is found. Especially set against the backdrop of the forgotten miracle, Axis.
 
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Well, after watching Gundam 0080 a few years back and enjoying it, at the suggestion of a friend I'm watching my first full length Gundam series in... Gundam 00. The first season was interesting, with some major issues and stuff that was hard to take seriously (for one, character names). The second so far (eight episodes in) is... wow. On the one hand, it's certainly not boring. On the other literally everything else, and it abandons any sense of moral complexity, the A-LAWS are cartoonishly evil but not very interesting, Saji Crossroads has become the Harry Kim of Gundam 00 (poor, dumb Harry), and they have Soma Pierres, one of the few characters I was still invested in (mostly due to her and Smirnov being the guys I found the sanest and most likeable) basically killed by Allelujah shouting "MARIE!" until my ear drums bled. I also had to stop for a minute laughing when Sumeragi claimed that unlike Katharone, Celestial Being acted without an ideology. Also, do Graham and Ali-Al Sanchez actually ever do anything in S2 beyond just showing up and leaving? (Well, apart from Ali developing the ability to hear discussions in other Mecha through the fourth wall.)

Plus side, I'm watching with that friend next Turn A, which sounds a lot better.
 
DocHawkeye said:
I'm curious to know how people will rationalize a world after the Box is found. Especially set against the backdrop of the forgotten miracle, Axis.
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I doubt they'll care. That was always one of the lurking problems with Unicorn, even if they open the box, the world's running okay without this apparently, and there's no particular reason to believe that it will actually change anything. The existing power structure likes things as they are. There's been plenty of Zeon setting things on fire and delegitimizing the idea of colonial anything with bad behavior, even in that very show. Most of all, there's no credible fighting force to say the Federation nay. Zeon has had two last gasps now, and Cosmo Bablyonia and Jupiter are still decades away.

Laplace's Box not mattering in the slightest would make perfect sense.
 
DocHawkeye said:
The legs being long. Hell, the Unicorn Gundam stands on high heels.

I'm curious to know how people will rationalize a world after the Box is found. Especially set against the backdrop of the forgotten miracle, Axis.
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I dig that they're using Axis-era suits, and this will be a strong contrast to the obsolescence of extremism etc .... but I hope they resist the temptation to just write another MORE SECRET ZEON story. We already have a library of stories like that and we don't need any more. More Zinnerman internalisation of suffering = good, more legions of underground madmen who blow up the moon = bad.

If they get another literal Zeon ghost in there (Axis haunted by the conflicts it saw between hate and hope etc) I'll buy 7 copies.

EDIT : haha yes I want a story about people living in a changed world where their feelings are challenged specifically because nerds missing the point of Unicorn. :V
 
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It would also kind of suck as a follow up so uh ...
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Like we haven't had terrible followups in Gundam before. Plus, silly rabbit, idealism doesn't work in Gundam. It's why there's always another UC show.

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If they get another literal Zeon ghost in there (Axis haunted by the conflicts it saw between hate and hope etc) I'll buy 7 copies.
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You know if they actually tell a Gundam Ghost Story I will be right there with you. Although pretty much any temptation to tell such a story about Axis is going to be based on a forever war between the spirits of Char and Amuro so then you have two terrible followups!

...actually I think you could sell it anyways, with them coming to understandings but their fundamental personality conflicts and Char's general unhealthy impulses reasserting themselves over time causing them to clash again it'd just be really hard to pack that into an OVA.
 
Yeah, the art has Sazabi too, which unfortunately suggests yet more Char ghosts and Char guys hiding out who will strike back at the xyz with their proto hyper glemy mobility Zaku or whatever. It depends if they can do what they did in Unicorn and make it obvious that people without hope in a better future are sad, tragic figures doomed to failure, madness, violence, futility, and old age... and Axis is a good stage for that kind of story. It's the Miracle That Didn't: caught between hate and hope in some kind of TWILIGHT OF THE SOUL etc.

Maybe they'll even say things like 'maybe this didn't work because neither of them loved humanity' and 'hey if Amuro wasn't a soulless killer maybe he'd have come back like Setsuna'.
 
I really liked Unicorn's message about self-fulfilling prophecies. I mean yeah if you force people into binary decisions between bad choices and worse choices you're just hurting yourself in the end. I guess when you're Char though and your life is so haunted by pain and anger even your empty body just goes through the motions of enacting some will of some people who never appointed you etc. Audrey nearly fell into this cycle herself, a true Zabi lol, but what Banagher was all about was showing people that things aren't so simple, politics shouldn't be a ruthless game that toys with people's lives and forcing people into corners is not actually something you have to do. He's an anti George R.R. Martin and that undercurrent ran through the whole series to me.

I'm hoping Twilight is nearly as clever.
 
I would want the incoming conflict to come from a different angle than Zeon, for both sides should by now have respite.

A conflict of uneasy reconciliation is practically guaranteed between Neo Zeon and the Federation, I think.
 
The Twilight PV almost looks like there's an operation to recapture the part of Axis; that's heavy stuff given all the symbolism. I might even forgive Yet More Zeon Secret Guys!

Let's hope they don't do that ancient plot where the Fed wants to steal the secret whatever and doesn't care about morals/losses/the power of the human heart/children yet again - I mean they just did that in Thunderbolt :V
 
Orga dies and MIkazuki... acts the exact same. That is not how character development works.

The fights are sweet, though.
 
Sivuel said:
Orga dies and MIkazuki... acts the exact same. That is not how character development works.

The fights are sweet, though.
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Yeah, that Bael vs Kimaris Vidar was awesome. No holds barred slugfest, the avenger eventually coming out on top thanks to his gundamfriend, the manchild coming to a tragic end due to his inability to let go of a childhood fantasy.

OTOH, I don't really care about tekkadan at this point, I just find Rustal, Gaelio, Julietta and Iok so much more interesting.
 
Well, that was bullshit.

So you're telling me that the character that was built up to be this master chessmaster cool customer and spent entire season carefully building himself up to the top just decides to charge to main fleet and be like EVERYONE WATCH HOW MANY DOODS I KILL, THIS MAKES ME STRONKEST AHAHAHAHAHA?

I guess the moral of the story here is "corrupted old men and status quo will rule forever".

Saltiness aside though, that was a great fight, for once. You really couldn't tell who would win until the end, and watching Bael just plow through Arianhood like chaff was pure gold.

His death scene was tragic, in sense you could really tell the emotion. McGillis really wanted to be friends with Carta and Gaelio, but his own hatred of Gjallarhorn's order and his past meant he ultimately could not let go of his revenge, and thus willingly did not connect with either of them. Seeing Gaelio cry at that was powerful. It was a great scene; it's just a shame show had to drive off the cliff to make it happen.

I honestly didn't care about bunch of Tekkadan people getting axed this episode, so I just skipped their segments.

Sweet dreams, our chunni prince. You were the best.

I guess it's now the time for me to switch the flag to Camp Rustal :V
 
On the one hand, this confirms my suspicion that McGillis did care about his friends to a certain extent.

On the other hand, why is Iok alive, when someone like McGillis or Orga dies? This series is giving me a rather late bitter taste in the mouth.

Also, re: Ground Gundam. Shit, I am terrible at identifying UC mechs.
 
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