Lets Read: World War Z: An Oral History of the Zombie War

I suppose the hangup is specifically about hearkening back to the "greatest generation" who "built" the American middle class, but I mean, the thing that built the American middle class was inheriting rule over most of the world because they effectively owned the previous hegemon outright.

Before the plague, people I knew would fondly reminisce about how good life was in the 1950s and how strong the middle class was then.

To which i usually responded with "oh, when we had a 97% top marginal income tax rate? Yeah, we should totally do that now!"

Most people didn't believe me, so I'd ask them if the Interstate highway system, Atlas missile silos, and the space program all paid for themselves.


Same deal with the "Welfare State," though the UK usually isn't the target. (Usually they're talking about how Scandinavian countries can only get that stuff to work because they're unusually homogeneous, as though economic policy works differently for different races.)

Economic policy in pre plague US did work differently for different races. Government subsidies that benefitted mostly white people (farm handouts, cell phone towers in rural areas, expanding highways in suburbs) would almost always get positive coverage in the media. Subsidies that benefit mostly brown people (free cell phones, public transit, school lunch programs) would frequently get held up as examples of wasteful or excessive spending by various groups and the media would uncritically repeat these claims.
 
I'm no apologist for the British empire but the fuck is this shit? British troops were fighting Japan till the end of hostilities against Japan. Churchil got booted cause the British public didn't want to return to the pre-war status quo of legless veterans starving in doorways, which was what happened between the wars.
There's several conservatives who hail the formation of the Royal Navy Pacific Fleet as something Churchill did as the extra mile.

50s, part of the mythos was how Armoured Carriers meant they survived the Kamikazes better. We now know that this was simply not true, sure, they took damage fine, but so did the Essex, which continued service after war even after being hit by Kamikazes, whereas the armoured flight deck were too warped for post war use.

It gets funnier when you realise that this was mostly a RN trying to get in against the IJN. Churchill decried the diversion of capital ships away from the Invasion of Malaya and the USN didn't want such a minor force. Admiral King is anti English, but well, the Rear Admiral of the Pacific Fleet was commanding less ships of lesser tonnage and aircraft than vice admirals of US task forces. Hell, as seen against Kurita, the escort carriers task force had MORE aircraft available to them than the Pacific Fleet.


Still, the RN bled to act as mobile shields for the USN against Kamikazes so glory???



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Do we think Brooks was writing about the Oak Tree symbolism of great strength, endurance and prosperity ? With pagan virtues of king nobility ???


Also age of 50 will be VERY impressive. Grand multigravida, even if all 8 were viable birth would be extremely high risk pregnancy. Assuming age 40 , you talking iron supplementation and routine lab tests at the min. Also expect womb and other complications so prolonged confinement before birth. Realistically, even if we assume only age 40 instead of still getting pregnant at 50, you will likely need institutionalisation to ensure the survival of the mother post birth.
 
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I do feel like the fellas in the government and military who actively lied to the American public about key facts (like whether their targets had WMDs that they were planning to use) deserve a larger share of the blame than the average voter. I don't wanna say there wasn't a lot of racism and Islamophobia and jingoism fueling the American public's support for the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars, but there were also lies in the mix, which supported both all three and a desire to direct them at specific targets.

Oh, absolutely-please don't take my point as apologia for the Bush admin and their client bodies' work to deceive both their own experts and the public-I just firmly think that in a democratic society, government includes the people as a major decision-maker, and so we are all accountable for both the good and bad of our nation. It's a personal quirk, I freely admit.
 
Brooks' brainbugs are fascinating because I'm utterly convinced now he doesn't even suspect they exist or that his work has an ideology.

He just really, really wants to be the smart guy, the big picture guy, the politically-savvy guy. He's not writing a story about surviving in a city of the dead or making your way to a distant safe zone or any of that character-driven nonsense. He's writing about the whole bleak world! Capturing the essense of all things, showing everything you don't see in common zombie flicks. Zombies underwater! Zombies underground! Zombies in space! Look at how every nation reacts to them and how it shapes the new paradigm of geopolitics.

Except he has zero awareness about the world outside of USA (though even within the borders his knowledge is limited) and he's not interested in learning more, so his takes amount to "the British have monarchy, right? Like King Arthur? That's their main trait because it's different from America".

Like, I don't think he even has an agenda with his writing that he's aware of, it's all just unfiltered ignorance and ideology largerly uncritically borrowed from other zombie works.

Hubris of a small man.
 
I've said before in this thread that I do not believe Brooks is consciously fascist, but rather a standard neoliberal with some fascist brainworms - and an example of how the precepts of liberalism can transition into fascism. I still more or less stand by that, but I'd like to elaborate and add a little bit of nuance.

First of all, I am not actually claiming to have any real psychological insight into Max Brooks. This is armchair psychoanalysis of a second-hand reading of a work of fiction he wrote, not anything reliable. That said, I do still feel like I have a read on the guy worth sharing.

I think Max Brooks is a progressive liberal. Of the likes-the-New-Deal-and-the-Great-Society-but-isn't-quite-a-Social-Democrat variety of liberalism. He thinks racism is bad. He thinks ableism is bad. He thinks sexism is bad. He thinks the far right is bad. He thinks a lot of rich people and celebrities are vapid. He thinks consumer culture is bad. He thinks Israel's treatment of Palestinians is bad, or at least he did at the time. He also thinks communism is bad. That patriotism is cool. That monarchies is cool. That western imperialism is a thing of the past, and also that contemporary USAmerican hegemony is good. He thinks that strong militaries are good. He thinks historical stuff is cool and good.

He identifies problems with his society, but his analysis is flawed. He looks at things from more of a cultural perspective than a structural or material one. He thinks of these problems as flaws with people's behaviour, and the results of bad actors. He does not think of them as systemic flaws, let alone the system working as intended.

He also has a, shall we say, campist perspective. America is good, and so are its allies. People who aren't America's allies are bad. China is evil, and falling apart. Russia is bad and will restart the Cold War with a new cynical ideology. The Bad Muslims in Iran and Pakistan worked together for nuclear armament, because of course they did. Israel will "get over it" with Palestinians and start working with them. Cuba will come around to our side, as will the non-communist Chinese.

I suspect his point of view isn't so much a bottom-up "this is a bad society, it should be reformed to make life better for its people" but rather a very top-down "this is a bad society, it should be reformed to be a strong one." A viewpoint not all that diff

So the cultural criticism he engages in with his zombie apocalypse novel does see systemic collapse. But its a purifying collapse, where the bad parts are burned away and what is left is reformed into something better, stronger. Where the nations - mainly the good guy ones, but also some of the bad guy ones - all embrace their 'unique cultures' (like monarchy for the British, or the samurai spirit for the Japanese, or maintaining elections for the US) under a new, unified society.

Attempting to explain all that started devolving into rambling. I'm bad at succintly explaining my point, so I've made myself stop. I will simply state my perspective, and only explain something if asked to.

So. I think Brooks is a more-or-less progressive liberal. Not a SocDem, but somewhat adjacent; an anti-communist New Dealer. But his perspective is fundamentally flawed, which means his analysis of society is too. He comes from a kind of "tory radical" framework rooted in nostalgia for the New Deal/idealized conceptions of the past and belief in 'national character,' identifying the source of society's problems as cultural-behavioural flaws among people rather than structural-systemic flaws. He wants a strong, unified nation more than a better life for the people suffering in our current society. He's also something of a "campist," idealizing USAmerica & its allies and low-key demonizing USAmerica's enemies & rivals.

The result is that when he has this book engage in cultural criticism, he has the zombie apocalypse be purifying/redemptive. Civilization is reborn into a new, vaguely fascistic form. Because "garbage in, garbage out."
 
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I always thought the book was explicit that the former president was buried under the tree. The symbolism was not subtle with the walk up the hill thing.

But I guess there was a bit of restraint there.
 
Brooks' brainbugs are fascinating because I'm utterly convinced now he doesn't even suspect they exist or that his work has an ideology.
The funny thing is that he claims the US supposedly has Universal Healthcare ..

Yet he also acknowledges that there simply isn't the resources to care for the physical, much less mental casualties of the war.



So .... The lazy think we supposed to think it's free at point of access UHC, but I'm going to say it's the Cultural Revolution Chinese equivalent, where you get a green bag of TCM while the effective drugs are rationed for the elite.
 
IC: As a political scientist. It's interesting to contrast the goodbye with the blame portion of the interview.


Dr Kwang ends on a hopeful note, that despite all the bad things, the country will recover and be for the better. The children will lead the way.


Meanwhile in Blame, Dr Kwang claimed that other doctors, in it for the money would not help "nongming". Which is actually just the word for farmers. While a social class division did exist in China, Doctors, being the LOWER class would not had that luxury.

Rather, Dr Kwang was subtly hinting about the existence of the rich elites who were lording over doctors and demanding their time and efforts.


In China case, it was the plutocrats who knew and were lording it over the rest.


Note how the CIA, the Military all claimed they TRIED to fight the zombies but was stymied by the President, who was only in it to protect his voter base and his power and did nothing, embracing the convenient lies instead. A nice touch with the "biofuel" dung shoveller.



For Troy Montana, we get the SAME portrayal of the elites, but unlike China , which ended on hope that it would improve from the basis of one who tried to fight the zombies, we get a female parent suffering from PTSD who blamed herself instead.


She was the elite who did nothing, who engaged in gossip, who didn't practise with a gun and thought phalanx was good, who drugged her kids to sleep.
So when the Z war happened and she survived, it was "her fault" that America wasn't prepared. Not the ruling Juanta who did everything they could to fight the zeds but was stopped by idiots .


And now Whacko says you must continue fighting the eternal war ... Support those who knew the threat and gave everything to PROTECT YOU! Btw, look at what the Russians are forced to do to protect themselves
 
OOC: The only bit of Hope I have in this book is that children are being born again.

Otherwise, this book just seems to be showing just how liberalism can fall into fascism easily.
 
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OOC: The only bit of Hope I have in this book is that children are being born again.

Otherwise, this book just seems to be showing just how liberalism can fall into fascism easily.
OOC: have faith. In reality, when the shit actually hit the fan with Covid, most countries rejected right wing fascism including the USA. Sure, there's still 40% but they part of the death cult.
 
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That sense of hope you get from seeing kids be kids these days...it's absolutely real. Even in the comparatively "sheltered" enclave behind the Rockies I was in during the War, childhood was a fraught thing. I help watch neighbor's and friend's kids here in Cuba pretty often, and it always warms my heart to see them so...carefree.

Also, I'm actually going on a research trip to Russia soon! Doing some ecological assessments in a partnership between Cuban and Russian Universities. I look forward to brushing up on my Russian.

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I hadn't thought of it before, but this book--particularly the reading of this book used in the thread--is actually a neat look at the way liberalism can devolve into fascism. And how the ideology of someone like Brook's can blind him to that interpretation of his work.
 
OOC: have faith. In reality, when the shit actually hit the fan with Covid, most countries rejected right wing fascism including the USA. Sure, there's still 40% but they part of the death cult.
That's not as reassuring as it presumably sounds to you. The death cult is very good at playing the system so they can take power with minority support. It sounds like things are starting to turn against Trump with his performance against Kamala Harris in tonight's debate, but this isn't the first time Donald Trump would take the presidency from a female Democratic candidate who everyone assumed would beat him.

And even if Trump loses the election...Hitler took power in an election, Mussolini had a coup. We know there are Americans willing to try to install Trump as president by force after he loses an election, because they already tried. Maybe the ones who can plan an insurrection were all arrested in 2021, maybe everyone else cooled down after a Democratic presidency failed to end the world or even take their guns.
But maybe a bunch of them spent the past four years thinking of better ways to accomplish what they tried on January 6th and can find a new batch of stooges willing to fight for their Dictator-Elect. We won't know for another three months or so.

Most signs are tentatively optimistic, but they've been wrong before.
 
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[A lot of people saw the Victory sailing the sea, though. They also saw the Flying Dutchman. And UFOs.] oh yah! I've heard a ton of stories about super natural stuff (that aren't zombies, obviously everyone has heard stories about the zombies and itd be real hard to find someone who hasn't seen one).
pretty sure I heard/saw a ghost once (or well, thrice but the other 2 were pre-war), but it could have been an animal. either way it was odd considering where I was there weren't any animals that big.
so either a ghost, a zombie who somehow didn't notice me, a survivor who didn't bother saying/waving hi (which who does that??? are you trying to get shot? because that's how you get shot because someone thought you were a zombie. ...that or the people I was around were a bit to trigger happy), or an escaped zoo animal

I'm glad that people are still a bit into space travel n stuff. partly because I think itd be hilarious if aliens were watching us, saw the zombie stuff, went 'well they're dead' and then see us not only not die, but get into space and try to say hi. and partly because I love space, seeing the milky way those few times when there was no debris in the sky and no light pollution was SO cool. if there's one good thing about the war, its that I got to see the stars, so having future generations be able to go up there? that'd be awesome. and partly because It'll be fun to watch a space race happen between china and the us.
tho yah... challenger part 2, 3, etc are coming up. yay?
also gods, its horrifying to think that the only entertainment they had was watching people die or their zombified remains walking around
yahhh, compared to every other critter we SUCKED at surviving.
honestly, I think were at the same level of environmentally fucked as of now? pretty sure we'll end up better since so much was destroyed, but we'll probably get back to destroying the world soon enough
also, I wonder if we have another Centralia esq "forever" fire because of the oil fields being lit up
also also, btw, fuckin hate how they slandered basically everyone involved in this
I find it real funny how they still had just a spare spaceship lying around and it hadn't been cannibalised, seriously how did that ship survive?

yah, who came up with the whole "lets make a martial art for fighting zombies" we already have a solution called "bash its head in that feel a bit guilty cause that was a guy once"
also yes, seriously it wasn't a 'we hate white people thing' it was a 'why should we throw people at the zombies to die when going slow is going great' thing
also what is it with the interviewer making almost everyone have the hots for the ex-president?
what were showing to the future generations is that we were /idiots/ seriously throwing people to the meat grinder, which instead of grinding you it turns you into a zombie, is NOT a good message!!!
[Commander Emile Renard was morbidly optimistic. Who knows, he said, what the nutrients of their corpses would do for the soil? Maybe it would even improve on the overall taste once Bordeaux was retaken, if it was retaken.] isn't eating crops that were fertilized by zombies a fairly popular theory about how GDS happens? granted said theory doesn't have much proof but like, I don't risk it.

I know dogs can tell, but sometimes I have trouble believing it considering how my dog acted. lad would attack everyone if we let him (which we didn't, even if we disregard how biting a zombie is kinda deadly, his 5 pound self would do no damage)
and yah, America sucks but the new south sucked worse
with the suicide rate at china lake it almost makes me not want to know

WHAT??? the london rats can eat dead zombie flesh. sure. great. they're there own species. that's cool.
also uh, for saying earlier that people saw the flying dutchman in a 'yah they probably didn't see that' way, what happened in the tunnels sounds supernatural af.

huh, knew usa was uh... getting into the whole 'oooh were dictators were gonna be assholes' thing but didn't expect them to be doing that with Mexico. anyways I'm pretty sure welcoming back the military is a survival strategy to not get killed. also he thought that they were insane because playing with human skulls is insane. also turtles weren't thaaaaat rare. I think. maybe. I mean I saw a few of them, granted I'm pretty sure they were the water ones, the type that barely get out of their lil river or lake.

hmmm I don't know, I think arming the people who 'rebelled' against you once and want to do it again is a bad idea. also Its great that all those... camps. have been liberated
 
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ic: "devoted to consuming all life on earth" he does know they don't eat ALL life right..? well no, that guy probably doesn't, probably only had to fight a zombie once or twice. but zombies don't eat plants, I've seen em walk through forests without stopping, so they probably don't care about bugs either. that or they just can't sense them like they can sense us
also yah, I found the way he described the zombie odd. like that was once a person yknow? and you're government is almost definitely at fault for her becoming that?
 
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ic: "devoted to consuming all life on earth" he does know they don't eat ALL life right..? well no, that guy probably doesn't, probably only had to fight a zombie once or twice. but zombies don't eat plants, I've seen em walk through forests without stopping, so they probably don't care about bugs either. that or they just can't sense them like they can sense us
also yah, I found the way he described the zombie odd. like that was once a person yknow? and you're government is almost definitely at fault for her becoming that?
The infected will eat bugs if those are the largest animals they can catch. It's not common, especially not with bugs that can get away from someone whose movement has been dulled by solanum, or in biomes with lots of birds or small mammals for the infected to chase. But I'm pretty sure there are fewer spiders and butterflies around here than there used to be, and regions with lots of foliage generally got away with less ecological damage. (Foliage gives small animals of all varieties more hiding places and can trip or entangle infected trying to chase them.)

As for dehumanizing the infected, that's pretty much universal. Hardly anyone wants to think of them as sick humans. I guess it's because, on some level, they're worried about the ethical implications of killing countless infected. If their deaths received the moral weight given to a rabid dog's death...
But there are different levels of dehumanizing the infected. Some people just try to avoid it. Others layer on as many monstrous descriptors as they can apply, trying to convince themselves that the things they had to kill were never human in the first place.

I think the extreme dehumanization is more common with people who thought that way about some types of healthy people before the pandemic. Or maybe it's the other way around.
 
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WENATCHEE, WASHINGTON, USA

[Joe Muhammad has just finished his latest masterpiece, a thirteen-inch statuette of a man in midshuffle, wearing a torn Baby Bjorn, staring ahead with lifeless eyes.]


I confess, I don't completely understand "Zombie Kitsch" as a, like, type of thing people buy?

Lots of people do, obviously, but for me, I genuinely don't get the appeal. Why would you want the reminder, constantly?

Uncharitably, I could call it…

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I'm not going to say the war was a good thing. I'm not that much of a sick fuck, but you've got to admit that it did bring people together.


… This sort of thing. Barely disguised nostalgia for the war that "brought people together".

People don't feel comfortable saying outright that the war was just straight up good, but they talk about how it brought us together, about how it made people talk to their neighbours again, how it gave a sense of community back to us.

Bearing in mind that these same people are maintaining the American suburbs that are inherently noxious towards any sense of community - and that's a feature, not a bug - and you realise just how much this is, like, a false concern they have? They don't give a shit about "community", they're just celebrating the ascendancy of this sort of curtain-twitching judgement of your neighbours.

Don't forget, Joe was one of the people shooting squatters in abandoned houses in Californian suburbs in America's darkest days of the war.

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And it's not just the neighborhood, or even the country. Anywhere around the world, anyone you talk to, all of us have this powerful shared experience. I went on a cruise two years ago, the Pan Pacific Line across the islands. We had people from everywhere, and even though the details might have been different, the stories themselves were all pretty much the same.


Ahhh, nah though.

The thing is, he's not "right" that there was some universal "wow aren't people nicer now" but he's not wrong that like…

More than anything, outside of America, most places saw the demise of individual homeowning, outside of places of profound rurality. We all live in apartments now, or houseshares.

And so yes. In that situation, you will, in point of fact, have a greater sense of community. It isn't what he meant but it is true.

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Don't get me wrong, it's not like I don't miss some things about the old world, mainly just stuff, things I used to have or things I used to think I could have one day. Last week we had a bachelor party for one of the young guys on the block. We borrowed the only working DVD player and a few prewar skin flicks. There was one scene where Lusty Canyon was getting reamed by three guys on the hood of this pearl gray BMW Z4 convertible, and all I could think was Wow, they sure don't make cars like that anymore.


The joyless communist in me wants to ruminate on the fact that all he misses from before the war is base consumerism, the mindless sense of aspiration that capitalism inspired in the United States.

But like, I miss touchscreen cell phones. They were the technology "of the future", like little handheld computers, with cameras and everything? They were so cool. I didn't have one when everything went wrong, but I remember thinking I'd get one for my thirteenth birthday.

Which was silly - I had been pulled out of school for a month and a half by the time my birthday came up, and we certainly weren't going into the shops by then. Hell, I doubt there were even phones available, by then.

The point I am getting at is that we all remember things we wanted before the world changed, even if we recognise them as being both unattainable and undesirable now. It is a remarkably human condition.



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TAOS, NEW MEXICO, USA

[The steaks are almost done. Arthur Sinclair flips the sizzling slabs, relishing the smoke.]


Of all the jobs I've done, being a money cop was best. When the new president asked me to step back into my role as SEC chairman, I practically kissed her on the spot.


This fucking spider, my word. Once he had secured his position good and well as the necessary point of contact for all military procurement and funding, he finagled his way into the same job but for civilian investment.

As SEC Chairman, he can, and does, control the budget and goals of various organs of the Security and Exchange Commission, which in turn control… basically everything within America outside of the Government itself?

There is not a pie in America in which you will not find this man's pallid and skeletal fingers.

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There's still so many challenges ahead, still so much of the country on the "turnip standard." Getting people away from barter, and to trust the American dollar again…not easy. The Cuban peso is still king, and so many of our more affluent citizens still have their bank accounts in Havana.


Arguably I'm just quoting this to go "lol" and move on, but like… I do find some of the framing here really fucked up.

Cuba is not some fucking, like, Switzerland of the Americas, you know?

It's actually a moderately complex situation, but I'll give a sort of quick summary.

I've mentioned before about how America considers it seditious to fund a union without being a member, I think? They extend this also to other forms of mutual aid network, including like, minority rights groups, bail funds, even organisations that "just" run soup kitchens or what have you.

And they aren't remotely above seizing the funds of groups like this, and especially groups that are more extreme than that.

So lets say you are the Chairperson of - to select a random example - the Savannah Chapter of the New Black Panther Party, and you've been gathering money from a variety of sources, which you can use to keep your members safe, homed and armed, but you're really worried than the Government will freeze your assets.

The Cuban Government is willing to set up a "bank account" to keep your money safe and un-seized, and release funds to you as and when you need them. It is more complicated than that, but this is essentially the system.

Framing this like Cuba is granting bank accounts to the American bourgeoisie is pretty rich, honestly.

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Just trying to solve the surplus bill dilemma is enough for any administration. So much cash was scooped up after the war, in abandoned vaults, houses, on dead bodies. How do you tell those looters apart from the people who've actually kept their hard-earned greenbacks hidden, especially when records of ownership are about as rare as petroleum?


The American fetish for ownership here is crazy. Just let people have this money. More money being spent in your economy is good, actually, but they are so perpetually scared of people having more than they've "earnt" that they're deliberately stifling their own economic recovery.

Social mobility is one of the great promises of American capitalism, but also one of its greatest nightmares.

Hollow, evil country.

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We have to nail the bastards who're preventing confidence from returning to the American economy, not just the penny-ante looters but the big fish as well, the sleazebags who're trying to buy up homes before survivors can reclaim them, or lobbying to deregulate food and other essential survival commodities…


This is absurd. Genuinely fucking absurd.

The fuck do you mean housing is on an open market? The fuck do you mean by saying the only thing stopping it is "reclaiming" houses you already owned?

By drawing the line here - by saying that any houses without previous ownership being provable are available for wholesale purchase by sleazebag slumlords, but denying the sale of houses whose owners are known? They've completely fucked over the bulk of their population.

Because, I mean… who do you figure is more likely to have survived? Individual homeowners, or landlords.

Most pre-war rental property remains in the hands of its pre-war landlord, and most other property has been consolidated into the hands of either the same landlords, or new ones.

As to the people demanding the deregulation of food? "No" is a two letter word and a full sentence, but the Americans aren't even able to enforce their regulations, so I expect they'll be discontinuing them soon enough.

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Breckinridge Scott, yes, the Phalanx king, still hiding like a rat in his Antarctic Fortress of Scumditude. He doesn't know it yet, but we've been in talks with Ivan not to renew his lease. A lot of people back home are waiting to see him, particularly the IRS.


This is incredibly naive.

"Renew his lease" - there hasn't been a Russian government with control over Vostok Station since before the collapse, and the evil little bastard has made the place self-sufficient.

Unless someone is going to send soldiers across hundreds of kilometres of frigid ice - they aren't - Breckinridge Scott is going to die in comfort, like he's lived in comfort.

It's almost funny; they've propped this man up as a sort of man of blood for American Capitalism, and they're about six months away from discovering that he has successfully skirted all consequences for his part in killing billions of people.

Truly, subtlety is a lost art.

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[He grins and rubs his hands together.]

Confidence, it's the fuel that drives the capitalist machine. Our economy can only run if people believe in it; like FDR said, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." My father wrote that for him. Well, he claimed he did.

It's already starting, slowly but surely. Every day we get a few more registered accounts with American banks, a few more private businesses opening up, a few more points on the Dow. Kind of like the weather. Every year the summer's a little longer, the skies a little bluer. It's getting better. Just wait and see.


Generally speaking you will find people are more convinced by your desperate efforts to boost their confidence if you don't precede them by talking about how you need people to believe in the illusion of success to boost confidence.

America is exhausted and broke. His examples of it being totally on the mend are so overtly desperate, too, it's enough to make you almost feel sorry for them.



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KYOTO, JAPAN

[It is a historic day for the Shield Society. They have finally been accepted as an independent branch of the Japanese Self-Defense Forces. Their main duty will be to teach Japanese civilians how to protect themselves from the living dead. Their ongoing mission will also involve learning both armed and unarmed techniques from non-Japanese organizations, and helping to foster those techniques around the world. The Society's anti-firearm as well as prointernational message have already been hailed as an instant success, drawing journalists and dignitaries from almost all UN nations.
Tomonaga Ijiro stands at the head of the receiving line, smiling and bowing as he greets his parade of guests. Kondo Tatsumi smiles as well, looking at his teacher from across the room.]


The Shield Society being brought into the actual-factual Japanese military came along with their deputisation of dozens of other fascist paramilitaries, and was an obvious sign - if one were needed - of how badly they were failing as a military, or to maintain their control over various leftist groups, or even like… the Yakuza, in some places.

The Japanese government being surprised by the betrayal when it came from these various societies was pretty unexpected, I guess, but none of the rest of this was.

I should probably put more respect on Kondo Tatsumi's name, though - for all I've dismissed him as a, like, dime a dozen pathetic grifter, he did a pretty good job at gathering together various disparate fascist cliques under his banner, and he rode out the death of Tomonaga pretty well, where a "lesser" fascist might've seen his warrior cult splinter.

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You know I don't really believe any of this spiritual "BS," right? As far as I'm concerned, Tomonaga's just a crazy old hibakusha, but he has started something wonderful, something I think is vital for the future of Japan.


This demarcates the creation of a line between the cult as existed during the clearance of the Home Islands and the cult as existed once it was part of the JSDF.

It moved away from the overtly eliminationist rhetoric of being "gardeners" who had been chosen by the gods to "cleanse" Japan, and towards more "normal" militarism.

It was not a lengthy turn; once they'd spent some time hollowing out the JSDF, spreading their little tendrils through the military, they abruptly changed gear again, and Kondo once again "found his spirituality".

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His generation wanted to rule the world, and mine was content to let the world, and by the world I mean your country, rule us. Both paths led to the near destruction of our homeland. There has to be a better way, a middle path where we take responsibility for our own protection, but not so much that it inspires anxiety and hatred among our fellow nations.


Incredibly grim to say outright that the flaw with the Japanese Empire was that it "inspires anxiety and hatred" whilst the flaw with the post-war Japanese was they let the Americans rule them.

Like, truly just overt Japanese Nationalism? America selecting these people as their allies is one of the more obvious signs of their incredible desperation.

They split from the JSDF maybe three months after this book came out, which was just in time to shield them from the current crisis enveloping Japan.

Giving up Kamchatka without firing a shot was… not popular. The Red Brigades all rose up because they're expecting Soviet landings on the Home Islands any day now, the Yakuza have locked down what they can hold, and most of the JSDF has broken up to align with whichever fascist warrior cult they like the most.

The final vestige of the American post-WWII consensus has at last crashed and burnt.



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Armagh, Ireland

[Philip Adler finishes his drink, and rises to leave.]


We lost a hell of a lot more than just people when we abandoned them to the dead. That's all I'm going to say.


Most honest interview in the book. I think Philip Adler is a reprehensible coward with blood dripping from his hands, but I mean… he agrees with me.



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TEL AVIV, ISRAEL

[We finish our lunch as Jurgen aggressively snatches the bill from my hand.]


Please, my choice of food, my treat. I used to hate this stuff, thought it looked like a buffet of vomit. My staff had to drag me here one afternoon, these young Sabras with their exotic tastes.


There's something to talk about with who gets spoken to, I think, in this section, amongst others.

Like, he gives no interviews to Ethiopian Jews, despite their consistent unspoken presence in the background of these sections, despite the casual denigration of their cuisine as "looking like a buffet of vomit," despite the offhanded mentions earlier that they were being used as the troops in the most dangerous deployments earlier.

A lot of things about Israel/Palestine now are like this, and I should've maybe spoken more on this earlier - I wasn't an expert, and I'm still not, but I was a little flippant. No interviews are given to people with less positive experiences of those first few transformative years, because it muddies a neat narrative.

Israel was dragged kicking and screaming into granting citizenship to Palestinians, and it was a process of stages; no doubt had the war gone differently, it would not have happened, but this was all quietly excised in favour of only platforming people with pretty rosy views on that transitional period.

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I've heard it said that the Holocaust has no survivors, that even those who managed to remain technically alive were so irreparably damaged, that their spirit, their soul, the person that they were supposed to be, was gone forever. I'd like to think that's not true. But if it is, then no one on Earth survived this war.


I profoundly reject this narrative, and the entire body of thought behind it. The concept that people who survive trauma of sufficient magnitude and severity "actually" did not survive it, are actually inherently made lesser by it? No. Hate that.

Survival is not a positive trait, sure, but it certainly, definitely, is not a negative one.



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ABOARD USS TRACY BOWDEN

[Michael Choi leans against the fantail's railing, staring at the horizon.]


You wanna know who lost World War Z? Whales.


Michael Choi has grown on me, I have to say.

Of all the interviewees, he's the only one I feel has a genuinely clear-eyed vision of this war. He doesn't baulk from talking about American crimes in his first interview, and he shies away from the sort of misty-eyed fantasism that tempts so many people.

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Hell of a loss, and you don't have to be some patchouli stinking crunch-head to appreciate it. My dad worked at Scripps, not the Claremont girl's school, the oceanographic institute outside of San Diego. That's why I joined the navy in the first place and how I first learned to love the ocean. You couldn't help but see California grays. Majestic animals, they were finally making a comeback after almost being hunted to extinction.


Whales are one of losses that most haunt me, when tallying up species' lost in the war.

Call it sentimentality, call it a double standard, but I can stomach some of the other losses, even the ones that hurt - Rhinos, Gorillas, and god knows how many other species - because they were killed by ghouls. Is that terrible? I think it is probably terrible, but I don't feel so profoundly that they were "our fault" - even though they were?

But Whales? Whales we killed. Hunted them down, deafened them with explosives and dragged their bloody bodies to the surface to butcher them.

It haunts me.

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I've heard of random sightings of a few belugas and narwhals that survived under the Arctic ice, but there probably aren't enough for a sustainable gene pool. I know there are still a few intact pods of orcas, but with pollution levels the way they are, and less fish than an Arizona swimming pool, I wouldn't be too optimistic about their odds. Even if Mama Nature does give those killers some kind of reprieve, adapt them like she did with some of the dinosaurs, the gentle giants are gone forever.


I will say, I do think he is more down on this than I am.

People still see Whales quite a lot - there were millions before the collapse, and there's still probably a good hundred thousand. Whether there's enough of various specific species to survive, I don't know, but some of them, I think - hope, maybe - will get through this.

Oceanic biodiversity in general is in a sufficiently rapid death-spiral that I might be totally wrong, but I'd like to hope.

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Kinda like that movie Oh God where the All Mighty challenges Man to try and make a mackerel from scratch. "You can't," he says, and unless some genetic archivist got in there ahead of the torpedoes, you also can't make a California gray.

[The sun dips below the horizon. Michael sighs.]


This is true, though. There's no getting it back. No matter how hard some people want to shut their eyes and pretend, there are things Man cannot undo. We killed the whales, and we just have to live in the world where we did that. There's nothing more to it.

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So the next time someone tries to tell you about how the true losses of this war are "our innocence" or "part of our humanity"…

[He spits into the water.]

Whatever, bro. Tell it to the whales.


This would've been such a strong way to end this book. Fuck the vanity of it all. People want to look at this war and make some grand sweeping statement on the human condition, but it was just a tragedy. The true losses of this war were the losses. Even "just" animals.

They deserve at least to be remembered as a loss, not just… swept under the carpet.



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Denver, Colorado, USA

[Todd Wainio walks me to the train, savoring the 100 percent tobacco Cuban cigarettes I've bought him as a parting gift.]


But he doesn't end it on Michael Choi's last poetic rumination. Instead we get Todd Wainio's inane burbling.

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Yeah, I lose it sometimes, for a few minutes, maybe an hour. Doctor Chandra told me it was cool though. He counsels right here at the VA. He told me once that it's a totally healthy thing, like little earthquakes releasing pressure off of a fault. He says anyone who's not having these "minor tremors" you really gotta watch out for.


What a wildly damaging stance for a doctor to take.

It is actually possible to receive treatment for PTSD. You do not have to suffer "little earthquakes" of retraumatisation. American mental health is in the absolute pits, and they are increasingly just, openly failing their veterans.

I actually don't think Todd is like… lying, here. I think he was sold this bill of goods by his Doctor, and I think he believes it.

That isn't to say I don't still have my own triggers, my own trauma, but I am allowed to accept that they're bad, that I'm still damaged, that I am a work in progress. No one is there telling me it is completely fine and healthy for me to be like this, telling me to stop wanting things to improve for me, mentally.

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It doesn't take much to set me off. Sometimes I'll smell something, or somebody's voice will sound really familiar. Last month at dinner, the radio was playing this song, I don't think it was about my war, I don't even think it was American. The accent and some of the terms were all different, but the chorus…"God help me, I was only nineteen."


Like, I'm better off than this. I have triggers still, but I largely know what they are? And I'm working on them.

I can't believe I'm feeling bad for Todd fucking Wainio, but America has let him down really badly over this shit.

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[The chimes announce my train's departure. People begin boarding around us.]

Funny thing is, my most vivid memory kinda got turned into the national icon of the victory.

[He motions behind us to the giant mural.]


But I mean, then he pulls shit like this, where he can't help but brag about how his most "vivid memory" is now "the national icon of victory".

His entire story has spun out from being one of the soldiers to raise that fucking flag for that photo op. It is a level of grift I can't imagine. Surely it corrodes the soul to be such an overt mouthpiece for the regime?

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We'd just got the word, it was VA Day. There was no cheering, no celebration. It just didn't seem real. Peace? What the hell did that mean? I'd been afraid for so long, fighting and killing, and waiting to die, that I guess I just accepted it as normal for the rest of my life. I thought it was a dream, sometimes it still feels like one, remembering that day, that sunrise over the Hero City.


So that's it. The book ends not on an acknowledgement of the pointless, incomprehensible loss of it all, but on an American soldier waxing poetic about how the true loss of the war was part of our humanity, that peace feels like a dream now, and so on.

Whatever, bro. Tell it to the whales.



Alright, comrades, that's a wrap. I don't know when I'll have time for another project - everything's pretty up in the air now, obviously. I'm being called back for the day job giving presentations on "Urban Combat in a post-Zombie environment" which is probably going to take up more of my time, but obviously I'm not mad about it.

I won't say it has been a pleasure to read through this book with you, but I'm glad I've done it, and I'm glad it's done, if that makes sense? A really interesting read into the mind of the enemy, right?

Since this is the last update, I'm not going to post donation links on this one. You should know by now who needs the help, and I won't be keeping a close enough eye on this thread to keep any links I give current.

As a general rule, though - you want to donate to established groups. I know this is going to make supporting revolutionary action in some places harder than others, but it is the only way to be relatively sure you won't fund something you seriously object to.

Even if you're in America you shouldn't just be donating any more, though. There is an opportunity we mustn't squander.


AN: Jesus fucking Christ, I did it. It's taken a year and a bit, and I've repeatedly struggled with anxiety and writer's block, but I did it!

I'd love to take the opportunity to thank everyone who has participated in the thread, everyone who has supported me in this, and everyone I've spoken to about this project in DMs or on Discord.

If anyone has any questions about, like, my lore for this, you can feel free to ask in the thread, and if I get enough, I'll maybe make a Q&A, but other than that, I'm going to bask in having completed a project.
 
The American fetish for ownership here is crazy. Just let people have this money. More money being spent in your economy is good, actually, but they are so perpetually scared of people having more than they've "earnt" that they're deliberately stifling their own economic recovery.

Social mobility is one of the great promises of American capitalism, but also one of its greatest nightmares.

Hollow, evil country.

This is absolutely one of the things which is driving the royalist government in Britain's not so slow disintigration BTW. Like, in a lot of areas both in Britain and America, people are just using housing. Then some state group comes and tells these people, who are mostly armed, "oh, we've got some bullshit prewar lease that says some other dude owns this"
 
This is absolutely one of the things which is driving the royalist government in Britain's not so slow disintigration BTW. Like, in a lot of areas both in Britain and America, people are just using housing. Then some state group comes and tells these people, who are mostly armed, "oh, we've got some bullshit prewar lease that says some other dude owns this"
shortly after the great quake and fire in 1905, the people of san francisco spontaneously organized mutual aid for everything from clothing to food to housing - to the point that homelessness in many parts of the city went down in the immediate aftermath of the quake and fire.

and then, of course, the good ol' US Army arrived to Restore Order and made it clear that this commie nonsense would not be tolerated any further

same as it ever fuckin' was, is the point
 
shortly after the great quake and fire in 1905, the people of san francisco spontaneously organized mutual aid for everything from clothing to food to housing - to the point that homelessness in many parts of the city went down in the immediate aftermath of the quake and fire.

and then, of course, the good ol' US Army arrived to Restore Order and made it clear that this commie nonsense would not be tolerated any further

same as it ever fuckin' was, is the point

The big difference being post zombie war, everyone is armed, most people have seen at least some combat, and state authorities are severely weakened.

The kind of super hard line attempts to restore neoliberal capitalism are absolute doom for the people doing it.
 
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