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Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Finished: Final Fantasy Tactics]

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Virgin Lalabreaha:Needs an ancient machine and hypertune power source in order to cast one Ultima. Can't chain cast it even

Chad Ivalice Archer:Capable of firing several ultima from a wooden bow
 
NonSequtur said:
This statement kind of inherently takes any mod out of the 'straightforward uncontroversial improvement' category.

It might be an unambiguous improvement (if the original game sucks) but the exercise has turned into redesigning the game rather than patching an annoying bug.
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This is actually fair, and I guess where I end up in there is that I consider basically every change to be an improvement overall, resulting in a fully improved game. That's just my opinion, and I really think I should stop talking of it, so I'll try to make this my last post on the matter.

So, as my last comment, I again will ask people to consider how many time they saw Blizzara happen when facing Ice Brand-wielding Knights, because that's a thing that can happen in vanilla, but also, it's not a thing that happens frequently. Random damage like that isn't something you can count on, it just means that you can't ever just say "the expected damage won't kill me, so I can just ignore the attack, and therefore that enemy", because there's a one in ten chance of extra damage triggering and killing an unit. It's a small damage increase for a class and weapon type that needs it, and nothing more than that.
 
Marla said:
I find enough Meliadoul/Ramza fics the first time I searched for FFT fanfiction to the point that I was wondering if people actually use Meliadoul in battles when you have someone like TG Cid around. Leveling her up is hard enough when she arrived late to the party, and then have armor-rending specialty when we barely meet armored opponents outside of plot-related battles- that was about 95% finished by the time she was here. Final battles have more monsters than men too, simply because we were fighting Lucavi instead of human characters.
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I mean, you just listed armor-rending specialty. So, like, their first encounter in fanfic writer's minds can absolutely be that she stripped Ramza. Throw that in with a tsundere take on "I'm here to fight you/no wait we're allies now".
 
LFT fixed most of my complaints with vanilla. More interesting game all around. I have my complaints about it but that has to do with a weapon type not getting toned down the same way all the others were and with the optional chapter 4 stuff turning into postgame content.
 
Omicron said:
I'm sorry but I think when you put the spell which (however mid in actual quality it is) in the base game is Ramza's last exclusive skill that he's the only playable unit to learn and which must be learned from the special breed of demons which are named after it and are the only ones that can cast it, on a generic bow that any Archer can equip and which enemies can use, you've kind of lost the plot.
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It does contribute to one of the major themes of the game: bullying Ramza.

*Through precise maneuvering and prediction of enemy moves, Ramza survives the use of the ultimate forbidden technique and masters it himself! If Cid is the Thunder God, his is the title of Ultimate Demon!*

Archer: Oh, hey boss, I see you've learned Ultima as well.
 
illhousen said:
It does contribute to one of the major themes of the game: bullying Ramza.

*Through precise maneuvering and prediction of enemy moves, Ramza survives the use of the ultimate forbidden technique and masters it himself! If Cid is the Thunder God, his is the title of Ultimate Demon!*

Archer: Oh, hey boss, I see you've learned Ultima as well.
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i am rapidly approaching the "omicron takes a month off to grind dark knight" levels of tilt
 
Argath: I have returned once more, in your game alone, and as a Ultra Dark Knight. And I can cast Ultima (Deluxe Edition).

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Delita: Would you like me to show off this little spell I've learned, Ramza? It's called Zettaflare.
 
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Marla said:
I find enough Meliadoul/Ramza fics the first time I searched for FFT fanfiction to the point that I was wondering if people actually use Meliadoul in battles when you have someone like TG Cid around. Leveling her up is hard enough when she arrived late to the party, and then have armor-rending specialty when we barely meet armored opponents outside of plot-related battles- that was about 95% finished by the time she was here. Final battles have more monsters than men too, simply because we were fighting Lucavi instead of human characters.

I get Agrias being shipped, she has been with Ramza for a while.

But Meliadoul Tengille? The only similarity she has with Ramza is age.

I get the shipping tags is indiscriminate, but I thought people would go for Ovelia over Meliadoul in creating relationships for the protagonist.
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While I haven't trolled all the deep places for FFT ship fics, I agree that the prominent Meliadoul shipping strikes me as odd in the fandom. I've seen multiple fics that contrast her romantically with Agrias as well. But she lacks a lot of characterization, screen time, and archetype matching of Agrias.

It's not even that Agrias is taken out of the running because of a 'very good friends' relationship with Olevia in cases where Ramza hooks up with the come-lately-and-underwhelming Meliadoul. It's just a bit odd.
 
RubberBandMan said:
While I haven't trolled all the deep places for FFT ship fics, I agree that the prominent Meliadoul shipping strikes me as odd in the fandom. I've seen multiple fics that contrast her romantically with Agrias as well. But she lacks a lot of characterization, screen time, and archetype matching of Agrias.

It's not even that Agrias is taken out of the running because of a 'very good friends' relationship with Olevia in cases where Ramza hooks up with the come-lately-and-underwhelming Meliadoul. It's just a bit odd.
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Could be one of those cases where the sparse characterization lets writers just project whatever traits they find hot onto her.
 
Omicron said:
I'm sorry but I think when you put the spell which (however mid in actual quality it is) in the base game is Ramza's last exclusive skill that he's the only playable unit to learn and which must be learned from the special breed of demons which are named after it and are the only ones that can cast it, on a generic bow that any Archer can equip and which enemies can use, you've kind of lost the plot.
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Egleris said:
So, as my last comment, I again will ask people to consider how many time they saw Blizzara happen when facing Ice Brand-wielding Knights, because that's a thing that can happen in vanilla, but also, it's not a thing that happens frequently. Random damage like that isn't something you can count on, it just means that you can't ever just say "the expected damage won't kill me, so I can just ignore the attack, and therefore that enemy", because there's a one in ten chance of extra damage triggering and killing an unit. It's a small damage increase for a class and weapon type that needs it, and nothing more than that.
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Honestly my issue with that bow is that it casts Ultima, specifically. If it cast something like Thundara (does that fit the idea if an Artemis bow? It feels like it does) I think it would map a lot more readily to the idea of being a ranged version of an Ice Brand.

It just comes down to Ultima having some story significance and feeling weird to slap on a mook.
 
StormyEyed said:
Honestly my issue with that bow is that it casts Ultima, specifically. If it cast something like Thundara (does that fit the idea if an Artemis bow? It feels like it does) I think it would map a lot more readily to the idea of being a ranged version of an Ice Brand.
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I can see that; I don't even disagree, necessarily, a different spell would probably have been a better choice.

I think they went with Ultima specifically because (1) Ultima isn't that strong in FFT and they didn't want an elemental spell that could be boosted, which leaves very few options, and (2) more significant, in the PSX version the Artemis bow was mistranslated to Ultimus bow - the old issue of Artemisia/Ultimecia, raising its head again - so I guess the mod developers felt that slapping Ultima on it was appropriate.
 
Egleris said:
I think they went with Ultima specifically because (1) Ultima isn't that strong in FFT and they didn't want an elemental spell that could be boosted, which leaves very few options, and (2) more significant, in the PSX version the Artemis bow was mistranslated to Ultimus bow - the old issue of Artemisia/Ultimecia, raising its head again - so I guess the mod developers felt that slapping Ultima on it was appropriate.
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Yeah I can see a purely balance focused approach considering Ultima as Not That Great, and if you aren't really focused on the lore I can see how they came to that conclusion.

It being a reference to the original translation of the bow's name actually makes a ton of sense though, like yeah sure the Ultimus bow casts Ultima, why wouldn't it? I can't actually be upset about doing that as a reference.
 
You already have damage randomization in the form of critical hits.


I think if I were to rework archer, I'd keep the charge mechanic for Aim, but I wouldn't have it scale like it does; instead, all the abilities within it would have a relatively fixed CT, like Dragoon's Jump, and also like Jump, the speed of the character would impact the CT. That way your attacks come out faster as enemies get faster, so the charge time is less punishing at higher levels. It also works well since the Archer is a requirement for the speedy classes, Thief and Ninja, so there's a little bit more synergy there.

Then, instead of strictly increasing damage, I'd give it a variety of different abilities. Critical Shot, Power Shot, Leg Shot, that sort of thing. And make them lock on to people instead of tiles.

And then I'd also make crossbows a pile better by giving them a reduced min-range and better WP.
 
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Katsuragi said:
Delita is gonna show up with Ultimaja to spite Omi at this rate.
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Delita: Yeah, Folmarv's sent some assassins after me after cottoning up to my plans. They turned out to be Ultima Demons. I've confronted them as a Squire, for a lark, and what do you know, I have Ultima now. Not sure I'd keep Mettle on me, though. I'm the Holy Knight and Knight Devout now, you know. Lots of competing ability sets to chose from, and Mettle is somewhat... basic.
 
RubberBandMan said:
While I haven't trolled all the deep places for FFT ship fics, I agree that the prominent Meliadoul shipping strikes me as odd in the fandom. I've seen multiple fics that contrast her romantically with Agrias as well. But she lacks a lot of characterization, screen time, and archetype matching of Agrias.

It's not even that Agrias is taken out of the running because of a 'very good friends' relationship with Olevia in cases where Ramza hooks up with the come-lately-and-underwhelming Meliadoul. It's just a bit odd.
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Either is better than the also popular Ramza/Alma.
 
Pidl said:
Either is better than the also popular Ramza/Alma.
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At least that pairing has actual chemistry and interaction, unlike all the 'join up' people who effectively cease to interact with Ramza once they join.

.. Except Mustadio, who's canon interactions with Ramza after he joins up has about a 50% chance of Ramza ordering his death. Maybe there's a good reason people stop talking to Ramza after they spend some time with him.
 
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