Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Finished: Final Fantasy Tactics]

Either way, I'm not going to start the next game until after the New Year at the very least, so we can take it slow on that particular topic.
Dilly-dally shilly-shally
I still haven't even rewatched Advent Children just so I can get mad it with proper context now :V
Remember to watch Advent Children Complete so you can get mad at the butchered pacing of the final fight too.
 
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Really though props to Aerith being the bestest bro Tifa could ever have, even from beyond the grave. I swear so much fandom or fanfiction stuff writes them being catty at each other or fighting over Cloud, but honestly if she were still around I suspect both would be perfectly accepting of the other winning the Cloud Super Bowl.

They might be peeved if Yuffie sneaks in and steals the prize, granted.
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I suppose Supernova has to "merely" be a vision inflicting psychic damage. It can't be a memory because Jenova landed on the planet, not in the sun. And also if half the planets got destroyed how would Bugenhagen know their orbits thousands of years later, or bother with a theoretical mode of what the "intact" solar system once looked like. And it can't be a vision of the future because the meteor is cosplaying the Moon from Majora's Mask three years too early.

But the more important question must be asked.

…why is Sephiroth shirtless?
 
Now hear me out.

What if. What if Supernova is the planet's memory of Earth being destroyed... because Jenova already killed Earth in the Final Fantasy VII setting? And this is actually a different "Earth" with Nanaki's species as the native fauna? And the CETRA were aliens who brought with them F-15's and such. And humanity is the ones who decided to settle?

Really makes you think, doesn't it?

... Wait, no. It doesn't. It's a silly idea.
 
Yeah, the reason Yuffie and Vincent weren't in the final FMV was because they were optional characters, and the dev team decided that it would be less confusing for a player who had recruited them to not see them there, than it would be for a player who hadn't recruited them seeing them there. So are you going to take down the emerald weapon, or just push on to FF8, the only single player rpg where afking is a viable strategy to winning?
 
I might be going too "controversial" here but boy. I really don't like any of this.

For years, I've always been pretty indifferent to the Sephirot hype, at most raising an eyebrow when he was introduced in unrelated things without seeming reason. I always reasoned "well, he's that popular, must be a reason behind it, whatever."

There are interesting details that Omi has fairly brought up and applauded (or criticized) through the whole of the game. But all of that concerned more the use the plot made of him than what he is as a character. Moreover when most of what we see of the actual Sephirot is a flashback, instead of Jenova's meatpuppet he's been except for the couple of moments where he came to the surface to seethe at Cloud. And there are very good moments there despite the roughness! But half of it is Jenova, and in the balance, my feelings about Sephirot as a character is... a very perplexed meh?

Supernova also falls flat for me, and I can't buy the comments about it. Sure, it is spectacular and we see similar cataclysmic scenes illustrating spells in many FFs. But it feels so much on the nose, trying so hard to drag the player into it, this isn't any continent, any planet, any solar system, it's Sol, mang! I don't know, it takes me out of the fantasy. The original JP cutscene might have been shorter and less of a show, but I feel it wouldn't stick so much like a sore thumb.

And if it was truly a vision of the past, how can one reconcile the image the game has built up of Jenova as a parasite with straight up destroying the Sol system? What does it win by destroying all resources in a place before anyone even knows they must defend themselves from something? Sure, Sephirova is waiting for Meteor to destroy this planet now, but that's with the intention open up that can of tasty tasty Lifestream soda and slurp it. It's a method, not the goal. No, it doesn't feel like the blocks are quite there to support that interpretation.

@GilliamYaeger 's "this is actually Jenova pulling the Cetra's memory of losing Sol to cosmic randomness before fucking out to FFVIIland" still doesn't quite work for to me, but it at least it sounds more plausible.

About the ending, I just prepared an essay here in which asdfsfagtarhgrashreshjargtarwehtrkrw45ryw6sadgfasggsfahdh. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.


I suspect that had I played the game right now instead of following this thread, my homicidal anger would have been strong enough to throw me through time at every moment anyone had hyped Sephirot at me to slap them shut TerminalMontage style, and barge into Sakurai's office yelling "Go on, put Sephirot in Smash. I dare you, I double dare you." Because that is not the great character I thought everyone was swearing up and down they were smashing their meat at. I keep a tally of all the times I'm disappointed on you and your tastes, Gamers, and your sins are many and horrendous. No Gamergates for you, marching into the casket down the secret basement for three decades, now.
 
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Sephiroth was hyped for ages despite being ultimately meh for three reasons

1. His best and most impressive moments come earlier in the game, before all secrets are revealed, in the parts more people have played since not everybody finishes games
2. He was the first JRPG villain a lot of people saw, so he left a big impression, and
3. He was very pretty, rendered in 3D so you could see that prettiness up close, and shirtless. He got the shirtless model in Smash for a reason, its that iconic and associated with him!

Note that that third point is an observation about source of popularity, not criticism! Us guys in this thread have simped for Tifa way too much for way too long to throw stones there.
 
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But the implication is that Yuffie and Vincent are either just off-screen next to Cait Sith, out of the camera frame… Or they are fucking dead and no one even bothers mentioning it.
Canonically they're over in Midgar helping evacuate people for some reason???? Personally I think Yuffie took the opportunity to loot the upper layers and roped Vincent along to help carry the heavier stuff.

"You're sure that they told you to take all their jewelry as thanks for saving them?"

"Yeah sure now keep that sack open!"
 
Canonically they're over in Midgar helping evacuate people for some reason???? Personally I think Yuffie took the opportunity to loot the upper layers and roped Vincent along to help carry the heavier stuff.

"You're sure that they told you to take all their jewelry as thanks for saving them?"

"Yeah sure now keep that sack open!"
...do they have teleportation? Because I'm not quite sure how they could get there in time to help before the Holy And Ghosts Vs Meteor explosion of ambiguous survivability
 
I think supernova counts as a summon for the purposes of what the supplementary material says on those?

(They yeet you into an alt dimension to punch you in the face with the attack.)
 
Sephiroth's hype endures because his presence is undeniable.

When I think of Sephiroth, I always remember the dead Zolom, the slaughter at Shinra HQ, the nigh-Lovecraftian feel he can have sometimes, that FMV of him walking into the flames... Sephiroth's figure feels so much more legendary than in any of the previous games. Exdeath was a fun bastard, Kefka was an operatic, despicable nihilist, but Sephiroth feels like more (and he does have a lot more text dedicated to him).

Even the most ruthless and evil villains of previous entries can't evoke that tinge of threat that Sephiroth exudes, at least to my eyes when I played the game over a decade ago.


...

...Also, he is conventionally cool and attractive.
 
Said it before, but I'll say it again. Funny that the villain who's actually a tree isn't the one called Sephiroth, while the villain who comes back from the dead isn't the one called Exdeath.

On naming a more iconic RPG attack than Supernova, I was thinking maybe something from Pokémon? Thundershock's probably the one move everyone knows, and then there's Surf and Earthquake. But I think a more specific move is what Omi's talking about, so er, Whitney's Miltank using Rollout?
 
One thing I see no one mentioning is the visual effect right before Supernova's cutscene: It's a glass shattering effect, which is exactly like the Summons of this game when they do something big and flashy. There is a fan theory that 7's Summons create pocket dimensions to do their attacks, and Sephiroth has reached a level of power where he does the same.

Later lore from various sources seems to agree with this.
 
And I will put forward my own recommendation, since I've been sitting on it for months. Escape Plan Green, where Cloud and Zack successfully escape through judicious use of the Frog status effect.
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He ain't kiddin', folks
 
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Congrats Omi! Thank you once again for all of your time, patience, and graciousness in sharing it with us. Looking forward to Final Fantasy 8, a game where I have much fewer opinions on, and thus thankfully for us all, will be much less obnoxious about.

I'm in the minority here, but I quite like the ending. Ambiguity almost never bothers me, even in an ending, I'd go so far as to say that on a purely artistic level, it's easily the best the series has had so far. I think a standard 10 minute "where are they now" epilogue would suck the air out of the room. Or god forbid a FFIV style camp theater encore where everyone toddles out to do pratfalls and bow at the camera would cheapen what's meant to be this very intense, emotional crescendo. Again, purely personal...but I feel like I don't need to see the exact trajectory of the party's lives after the end, because I know, purely from how the game ends that all is well, not just for them, but for all life, and the Planet as well. I'd be fine with, say, an unvoiced series of vignettes playing over the end credits, but I genuinely think anything more would undermine something I think is mostly successful in it's attempt to be artistically ambitious.

I'll agree with the people saying that the Sephiroth sequence of bossfights are kind of underwhelming in design. Aside from supernova, which was the coolest thing child me had ever seen (and installed an eternal love of wierd old esoteric formulae and symbols being flashed around like so many busines cards in American Psycho), He's just kinda...there? The compisition in the Kefka fight is just leagues better, Exdeath's battles are so intense they genuinely do feel like they're shattering the limits of reality, and does the wierd man/monster amalgam better than Bizzaro Sephiroth...And Safer Sephiroth just looks like someone stuck a Ken Doll waist high in some cotton candy and called it a final boss. I'm sorry to say that I also think "One Winged Angel" is just kind of okay. The final one-on-one one battle, though, is basically perfect for what could be accomplished at the time. And having such a strong, triumphant ending for Cloud, and the total rebuke and dissolution of Sephiroth is reason no. 1 as to why I dislike AC and the rest of the Compilation/Remake's need to trot the guy out when it's made unambiguously clear that, portentious proclimations aside, he will only ever be a memory, if even that. Still, great villain though, and *the* fan favourite for a good reason.

What?...A joke? Uh...
It's called Jenova SYNTHESIS because "Jenova HEGELIAN DIALECTICS" wouldn't fit in the character limit.
 
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I think FF7 has a perfect ending. That's not a troll, not an ironic statement, it is as the saying goes, my real unfiltered dogshit opinion.


Fun fact: when I replayed the end of FF7 with a friend to show them the final boss and ending, Cloud and Sephiroth did their square up, omnislash was ready...and they asked me a question. I turned to answer-

-and it turns out if you don't hit Omnislash quickly, Sephiroth will attack Cloud.

I never did the fight again to find out if Sephiroth can, in fact, kill Cloud here and result in a game over, because in my case Seph's attack brought Cloud down to a couple hundred HP.

And Cloud had Counter equipped.

And it turns out a single slash from Cloud will, in fact, trigger the ending cutscene.

The dumbest & funniest possible ending to their story:

All Cloud had to do was punch his sleep paralysis demon in the face.
 
MAYBE IT'S A DREAM, MAYBE NOTHING ELSE IS REAL, BUT IT WOULDN'T MEAN A THING IF I TOLD YOU HOW I FEEL-
That cover of the iconic Bad Apple remix goes hard, yeah.
How much of it was a battle thought on a metaphysical, spiritual level?
I see what you did there.

...Either that or you just typo'd 'thought' instead of 'fought' but there's no way that would happen, right? :V
But not really. It's not truly a battle. The moment we enter the fight, Cloud's Limit gauge charges up, and Omnislash is available.
-snip-
In a flurry of devastating blows, Cloud unleashes tens of thousands of damage on Sephiroth. Sephiroth staggers back, dazed, and clutches his chest. He gives Cloud one last look, and then, cue the FMV.
Fun fact, you don't actually need to limit break to win this. Heck, you don't even need to attack IIRC, I think if you have the Counter materia attached to Steal it'll still end the fight.

Which is more a funny quirk of the engine than anything else since there's no way a player is going to run into that their first time playing unless they're already aware of it, but I did find it amusing when I found it out.

Edit: Ninja'd.
 
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