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YEAH IT'S A BIT LIKE THAT
Let's Play Every Final Fantasy Game In Order Of Release [Now Finished: Final Fantasy Tactics]
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Let's get down to bismuth
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Patchy the Pirate: "...That's it? That's the
Also, given the anticipation for FF8 starting up, boy am I gonna feel embarrassed if Omi then blindsides us with Tactics
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While I never finished ff7 - I stopped somewhere around having the airship, as is common - this makes me appreciate it more.
Sometimes jrpgs just do shit like this, and it's beautiful.
Yeah, the difference between Sephiroth and Kefka is that Kefka's plans are long-term, for all that he's a nihilist. He wants to be the ruler of the broken world, which means protecting his reign for as long as he lives, so defeating his enemies instead of waiting for them makes sense to him.
Sephiroth just needs to survive long enough for the Meteor to hit, so hiding at the bottom of a crater and avoiding any and all confrontation unless forced into it is a smart move here. I'd say it would be even smarter for him to just fuck off elsewhere once he senses the party coming, but presumably he's locked in place by his parasitic connection to the Lifestream or something.
Of course, if he does have monster minions under his control, it would be wise to actually proactively use them, but oh well.
Did you bring Yuffie with you just to bully her? Respect the commitment.
Bet you're missing that extra Ribbon now.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULf9QibCRqI
NGL, that sword looks so goofy, it detracts from the drama of the scene. The game really should have gone with Buster Sword Mk II for Cloud's final weapon.
And so the devastating shipping war is won.
Tifa: 1
Aerith: 0
Yuffie: Not even in the running
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Either way, he's going to have to fuck with a lot of customization and menus and trying to dig out the overpowered pearls from the sand.
Although FFT would make more sense as a sequel because of SPOILERS.
Yup, that ending definitely lives up to that cryptic reaction post earlier. I guess the ending kinda fits with FF7 in that unlike many other JRPGs you don't have like a huge town building side quest or whatever that an apocalypse just totally shits on(which makes this ending better than Xenoblade 3's imo), but that still feels super weird.
Also glad I could contribute some ironic speculation.
Also glad I could contribute some ironic speculation.
Maybe something from Sans? I don't really remember enough about the actual details of that battle, though.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
The ending really reminds me of Neon Genesis Evangelion.
This is despite me never having seen Evangelion nor have I any idea of how it ends.
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*looks at Chrono Cross*
*Looks at Xenogears*
I think that degree of WTF ambiguity in endings is less a JRPG thing and more a "Squaresoft during a particular short stretch of the late 1990s" thing tbh
tbh I think him getting over Aerith and getting with Tifa is kinda part of his character development. Remember, Aerith was the girlfriend of Zack, the guy he was deluding himself into thinking he was, so it was legitimately unclear how much the romance with her was actual Cloud and how much was the same delusions that made him think he was a Soldier First Class. Even she acknowledged such, with her cryptic comments about wanting to get to know the real him. Getting over the romance with her and into a romance with somebody from his own life was at least in part a part of the process of separating himself from Zack and embracing his own identity.
Granted, if she'd lived long enough to meet the real Cloud a real romance could have formed depending on a given player's hypothetical Relationship Values, but she didn't, so...
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God, the ending of that update was supposed to have an aside about Advent Children, but I wrote 10k words in 24 hours and blacked out
I'll try to remember to put it in the Closing Thoughts
I'll try to remember to put it in the Closing Thoughts
I guess it could be assumed that it's like... an army of Jenova-controlled monsters bearing down on the party or something, but yeah it's not really foreshadowed to the point that I blatantly didn't remember this being a plot point at all, sooooo
Part of me seems to recall this boss being somewhat of a challenge back in the day? But then again, I also recall beating the whole final boss gauntlet several times so it can't have been all that bad. Ah well, RIP Jenova kinda maybe sorta!
Well yeah, nobody talks about Bizarro Sephiroth beccause it's ugly as all hell, basically shoved between the somewhat plot relevant Jenova and famous Safer Sephiroth, and also I'm pretty sure nobody actually knows what it's combat mechanics are and just wail away until it drops dead.
Case in point: Omi wailing away until Bizzaro Sephiroth drops dead.
OH BOY HERE HE COMES
THE BOY HIMSELF
SEPH-EE-ROTH
AHAHAHAHAHA
YES
YES
I ACCEPT MY GIFT WITH ALL IT ENTAILS
Seriously though, I probably shouldn't laugh so hard over the final boss experience being somewhat ruined by ass-trumpet MIDIs instead of one of the most iconic boss tracks in all of Final Fantasy being played, but... it is kind of hilarious.
Speaking of, when it comes to grabbing FFVIII since I presume you'll just get it on PC/Steam like the rest of the series so far for ease of screenshots and the like, of note is that if you buy the original version instead of the Remaster it's more moddable, but also may or may not have an entire MIDI soundtrack to replace. So... for the sake of the LP, probably grab the Remaster.
Bonus: It's currently 60% off, so no better time to grab it than now even if you aren't actually playing for another few weeks.
Oh look, that long-range materia you said you didn't need
Once again could have been useful
(not really because with everything else you've got Safer is a pushover, but)
So it was already brought up in much greater detail... but yeah, original JP Supernova was mostly some flashy lights, not a full Solar System destruction just for the sake of gravity damage. Which, incidentally:
For all the fun having this final nail of the "this is actually our Earth settled by the Cetra Space Program" theory it is, kind of makes it something the devs just shoved in for the English release, I guess.
Oh wow, it really has been that long, huh? I mean, to be fair Sephiroth hasn't had much reason to contact the party and talk once Meteor was summoned, since now his plan is just "sit here and get smashed by giant rock then slurp up the planet's innards like it's a Thanksgiving Special", but not even talking in the actual final boss fight does point to some things.
Namely, it points to these last few fights, as you say, potentially just being Jenova. Whether that be Jenova continuing to use Sephiroth's image, or just that Sephiroth's mind has been almost entirely subsumed at this point (keyword "almost), I can vibe with this not actually being Sephiroth.
Of course it isn't, he's gotta save it for the real final battle!
Ah yes, the power of Best Girl shines through to win the day!
And yep, Doom of the Living is why Yuffie, along with Barret (who has a similar situation of one of his LB3s being a massive number of hits) is considered one of the best party members overall, at least if we're talking super lategame optimization.
Granted, even outside of that she's good because her Limit Breaks are some of the few with added utility like healing outside of Aerith (who would probably be in the running if she weren't, you know. Dead.)
I choose to take these rolling slots as Tifa switching from getting ready to Seventh Heaven the shit out of Sephiroth, to going "YEAH! YEAH! WE DID IT!""Well, we did it, we saved the world and humanity."
"Anyone wanna get Tacos? I think there's a place open in South Midgar."
Granted, like... what else can they do? As the ending shows, there's not really shit the party can do about Meteor itself except wait and pray, and they kicked Sephiroth's ass. Might as well mosey on back home, say goodbye to their loved ones and live their potential last few hours in peace.
IT'S TIME
FOR THE FINAL SALTY RUNBACK
Fun fact, Omnislash is always available for this fight. You could have spent the entire game with Cloud as a stabbed to death corpse and used exclusively other party members as much as possible so he's like level 7 with no limit breaks beyond Braver, and he would still go "SICK OF YOUR SHIT SEPHIROTH" and unleash the 15 hit super combo.
Wow, we did it!
Sephiroth is dead and gone forever!
He'll never, ever be seen again! Forever defeated in the Final Fantasy Seven timelines!
Really though props to Aerith being the bestest bro Tifa could ever have, even from beyond the grave. I swear so much fandom or fanfiction stuff writes them being catty at each other or fighting over Cloud, but honestly if she were still around I suspect both would be perfectly accepting of the other winning the Cloud Super Bowl.
They might be peeved if Yuffie sneaks in and steals the prize, granted.
Yeah it totally makes sense to just have the two of them "off camera" for the entire ending FMV, being optional at all. It's a lot more budget and disk real estate to have extra content in FMV endings for bonus party members than it is for FFVI to go "here's two bonus clips of Gogo and Umaro when leaving the tower".
Goddamn, Cid must just install new emergency booster levers whenever he gets bored.
Alright now I'm genuinely wondering if you could have wandered off into Kalm at any point and found her hanging out in whatever random house?
Not gonna lie, that is a real dope looking visual as someone who's much more used to N64 graphics and the Majora's Mask moon drop for comparison. Very much gives you that image of "this is it, the potential end of the world".Anyway, Marlene senses something - Aerith's presence, or spirit, as Holy approaches, and she goes over to the window, opening the blind to look at the apocalypse.
AND THEN IT'S AERITH SNEAKING IN FOR THE SAVE
"Well, it might not be entirely conclusive, but it's not really a bad ending or anything I guess! We can call it here, and-"
NOPE
FUCK YOU
HUMANITY IS KILL, DOGS RULE THE WORLD NOW
Oh I 100% believe the lack of smoke was intentional and they're lying their asses off about it, since overhead mandate by this point is "FFVII continues, infinite spinoffs infinite money, can't say they all died". Not that this is a guarantee of Humanity Is Dead is some canonical ending, but it was totally meant to be ambiguous at best.
It's been a hell of a ride, but it was quite fun revisiting FFVII.
And now, onwards to FFVIII (probably)! I even got the game all installed and ready to play in advance!
I mean... Not only is it 2hus so everything gets remixed and remade in it, it's also One Winged Angel, so of course it has remixes.
Hell, here's one for everyone's viewing pleasure:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU4fK0OSUGk
YEAH, JUST A BIT
And now everyone unfamiliar knows why Omi flipped out, and why everyone in the know started laughing - because FFVII's ending sure is... An Ending.
Don't worry, I am also prepared with that installed. Incidentally, Tactics is massively smaller to install than FFVIII and runs better.
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I think it's inevitable he'd come up, given his... extensive review of the game. But we've probably got the benefit of hindsight when we come to FF8 as we go on, so maybe we'll give it a kinder review. Or maybe not.
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Tactics is important, and next would be the right place for it if things are to be kept chronological (it came out five months after VII), but including it will be trickier and more piratical I suspect, given the lack of an official PC release - its only available on iOS, Android, and (probably) the playstation store.
The version on iOS and Android, incidentally, is the re-translated PSP version. Pick your poison here if you go searching the high seas for ROMs - the PSP translation is full of purple prose and Ye Olde Bucherede English, while the Playstation translation makes the FF7 translation look competent (see also: my comment hundreds of pages ago about it translating the word "breath" consistently as "bracelet").
The version on iOS and Android, incidentally, is the re-translated PSP version. Pick your poison here if you go searching the high seas for ROMs - the PSP translation is full of purple prose and Ye Olde Bucherede English, while the Playstation translation makes the FF7 translation look competent (see also: my comment hundreds of pages ago about it translating the word "breath" consistently as "bracelet").
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Either way, I'm not going to start the next game until after the New Year at the very least, so we can take it slow on that particular topic. I still haven't even rewatched Advent Children just so I can get mad it with proper context now 
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Sans' opening "i wonder why people dont lead with their strongest attack" is up there for sure, though obviously not Supernova level. Really that part's me legitimately wondering what's 2nd.
Personal policy for stuff like that tends to be "buy game on other system, then pirate it anyways to play on PC and give company the middle finger for not porting the game".
Really Tactics is one that it's particularly strange it doesn't have a PC port, because at this point we've got ports or remasters of every single Final Fantasy mainline game up to XV available on Steam. It even has a remake in the form of War of the Lions from way back on the PSP, and we've got a similar style of game in Tactics Ogre recently getting a PC Remake, so why can't we get Final Fantasy Tactics?
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
We should be getting a Tactics remake sometime soon since it was in that big NVidia leak alongside Tactics Ogre.
Zap Rowsdower
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"Soon" could mean a number of things in a world where a cash-in glorified DLC spinoff to a Zelda game using mostly the same models and map took six years, though
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Red XIII is a robot, got it.
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Other contenders for me would be Chrono Trigger's "Destruction rains down from the heavens!" or Skyrim's Fus Roh Dah.
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I've long learned not to believe shit about game releases until the game is actually out and buyable. I mean... we've been waiting how long on Silksong at this point? After an initial release window was finally actually given as "first half of 2023?"
We're a little past that guys (though I'll still buy Silksong day 1, don't get me wrong).
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I'll note that, a while back, there was an official post-FFVII narrative tie-in involving the Lifestream. It was since retconned after Crisis Core and Advent Children, but figured it might be of some interest / worthwhile if you can find a translation you approve of as it gives a nice sort of glimpse into some of the original post-VII intent before it was absorbed in the whole... Extended Cinematic Universe, stuff.
Guile
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You should have to track down and fight Sephiroth on the Costa del Sol beach
He's wearing a speedo with his black leather coat over it, like Hojo
That would only make him an even worse threat - much like Hojo, he's abusing the Costa del Sol comedy filter to become untouchable!
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I rewatched those reviews recently in preparation for Omi's, though like most internet reviews of the time they're more about comedy than much actual analysis. Which in itself is fine as long as you're honest about that, that was MST3K's and AVGN's whole thing after all. But while there's enough funny jokes to make me remember why Spoony was considered a big deal back in the day... ooh boy, the stuff that hasn't aged well has really not aged well, particularly most of his comments on Rinoa (though he at least later apologised for the homophobic jokes).
I actually found his Ultima reviews have (mostly) aged way better, mainly because he actually liked most of those games, so the jokes come off as more good-natured ribbing
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