There are both in and out of story reasons, in story Yang had just gotten back from talking with Mrs. Arc so that's still fresh on her mind. She's doubtful about his chances of survival but is trying to hope for the best. Then she gets there, Raven attacks her out of the blue and then not only does Raven just write finding Jaune alive but does so with a level of sheer...I'm not sure what polite word would describe but it's one of the facets of her mother's behavior that borders on being Yang's berserk button.
Out of story, I found Yang reacting that way funny but on a more serious note one of the challenges of this story for is humanizing Raven or having her gradually grow as a person without coming across as 'leatherpantsing' her. One part of this show Yang isn't afraid to call her mother out when she says or does something fucked up.
I don't proclaim to be such either, we all have our biases, I'm probably never gonna include Oscar in one of my stories if I can help it.
Thanks! It is a heck of a project and moved a lot slower than I'd like but I'm proud of what I've done so far. Especially my take on Blake and Ruby's chat and this gem, the scene where Weiss meets her future partner:
With that, Weiss turned around and started walking away. But she only took a few steps before the ginger haired girl suddenly appeared in front of her, making the ice queen jump back. After letting out a most undignified gah! she asked:
"What do you want?"
"You...said you were offering me "friendly" advice." The girl looked at her with a hopeful expression, "Does that mean we're friends?"
"Oh of course it does!" Weiss replied with blatant sarcasm, "We'll paint each other's nails, go shopping, and talk about cute boys!"
"That sounds wonderful!" The clueless girl exclaimed, grabbing Weiss's hand and dragging her away before the ice queen could even give her a withering glare, "Come, new friend! This is going to be so much fun!"
I'm just not sure yet, once I write a few scenes of them interacting I'll have a better grasp which paths would feel more natural.
No, neither Tai nor Yang would want Ruby to go along. For starters the trips will intially be as much about Raven and Yang trying to work thier issues as they are about training. Plus Yang and Tai aren't paticularly keen on Ruby being subjected to Raven's hard and hazardous approach to teaching.
Then she gets there, Raven attacks her out of the blue and then not only does Raven just write finding Jaune alive but does so with a level of sheer...I'm not sure what polite word would describe but it's one of the facets of her mother's behavior that borders on being Yang's berserk button.
There are both in and out of story reasons, in story Yang had just gotten back from talking with Mrs. Arc so that's still fresh on her mind. She's doubtful about his chances of survival but is trying to hope for the best. Then she gets there, Raven attacks her out of the blue and then not only does Raven just write finding Jaune alive but does so with a level of sheer...I'm not sure what polite word would describe but it's one of the facets of her mother's behavior that borders on being Yang's berserk button.
Out of story, I found Yang reacting that way funny but on a more serious note one of the challenges of this story for is humanizing Raven or having her gradually grow as a person without coming across as 'leatherpantsing' her. One part of this show Yang isn't afraid to call her mother out when she says or does something fucked up.
I don't proclaim to be such either, we all have our biases, I'm probably never gonna include Oscar in one of my stories if I can help it.
Thanks! It is a heck of a project and moved a lot slower than I'd like but I'm proud of what I've done so far. Especially my take on Blake and Ruby's chat and this gem, the scene where Weiss meets her future partner:
With that, Weiss turned around and started walking away. But she only took a few steps before the ginger haired girl suddenly appeared in front of her, making the ice queen jump back. After letting out a most undignified gah! she asked:
"What do you want?"
"You...said you were offering me "friendly" advice." The girl looked at her with a hopeful expression, "Does that mean we're friends?"
"Oh of course it does!" Weiss replied with blatant sarcasm, "We'll paint each other's nails, go shopping, and talk about cute boys!"
"That sounds wonderful!" The clueless girl exclaimed, grabbing Weiss's hand and dragging her away before the ice queen could even give her a withering glare, "Come, new friend! This is going to be so much fun!"
I'm just not sure yet, once I write a few scenes of them interacting I'll have a better grasp which paths would feel more natural.
No, neither Tai nor Yang would want Ruby to go along. For starters the trips will intially be as much about Raven and Yang trying to work thier issues as they are about training. Plus Yang and Tai aren't paticularly keen on Ruby being subjected to Raven's hard and hazardous approach to teaching.
That's part of it, for me it triggers flashbacks to when Naruto pulled something similar out of its ass. Also is just the sheer pointlessness of the character on every level. If Ozpin's continued presence was so vital to the story why kill him and bring him back? As far as I'm concerned the only character that they'd be justified in bringing back is Penny given that she's a robot.
Also why bring Ozpin back a teenager? What does Ozpin in Oscar's head offer that adult Ozpin doesn't? A love interest for Ruby? I'm sure the FNDM, which has settled on White Rose and Lancaster, will welcome that with open arms. Though personally, I would find entertainment value in those ships uniting against Oscar/Ruby, I call it Tudor.
Oscar himself has the feel of being set up as a main character which makes him even more pointless given that we have Ruby in the protagonist slot and Jaune as the deuteragonist. Oscar can't possibly do anything that those two characters don't do better. So what's the point? I mean what more damning indictment can I give than being able to say with sincerity: Why do we need you when we have Jaune? I like Jaune at a basic level and I think that's sad. Oh, my second prediction: as Jaune continues to grow as a character Oscar will replace him as the character fanfic writer use for harem fics and poorly disguised SI stories.
The reason is two fold, I can only use 'Weiss', 'she/her' and 'heiress' so many times before it gets repetative. Secondly, it reflects Wiess being self-aware of how people perceive her and wondering on some level if there's some truth to it. Her bid at freedom being crushed was a hard blow to Weiss's confidence so brushing off those barbs isn't as easy as it was in canon.
On a more cheerful note: Weiss has partner more then will give her the hugs she needs...even if she won't admit it. Giving her Neon as a partner would be down right sadistic to both of them. Hell it'd be cruel and unusual just to put them on the same team
That's part of it, for me it triggers flashbacks to when Naruto pulled something similar out of its ass. Also is just the sheer pointlessness of the character on every level. If Ozpin's continued presence was so vital to the story why kill him and bring him back? As far as I'm concerned the only character that they'd be justified in bringing back is Penny given that she's a robot.
Also why bring Ozpin back a teenager? What does Ozpin in Oscar's head offer that adult Ozpin doesn't? A love interest for Ruby? I'm sure the FNDM, which has settled on White Rose and Lancaster, will welcome that with open arms. Though personally, I would find entertainment value in those ships uniting against Oscar/Ruby, I call it Tudor.
Oscar himself has the feel of being set up as a main character which makes him even more pointless given that we have Ruby in the protagonist slot and Jaune as the deuteragonist. Oscar can't possibly do anything that those two characters don't do better. So what's the point? I mean what more damning indictment can I give than being able to say with sincerity: Why do we need you when we have Jaune? I like Jaune at a basic level and I think that's sad. Oh, my second prediction: as Jaune continues to grow as a character Oscar will replace him as the character fanfic writer use for harem fics and poorly disguised SI stories.
I don't think we know enough about their intent with Oscar to say its about creating a pairing, plus given Ozpin is living in his head I imagine the creep factor would drive a lot of people off after a point. I am somewhat doubtful Jaune will be replaced in that regard to be honest.
As to bringing him back, I am less bothered by that, though where they go with ti will have a big influence, as it stands I am leaning towards this coming to reveal Ozpin as a far more grey character and that 'Oscar' may not be in for a fun time in the future.
Though as to why kill him then bring him back, possibly because having Ozpin at his presumed peak around would make things too easy so stuffing him in a weak novice body will make it easier.
Is cool, I get the need for rants, hope it helped.
The reason is two fold, I can only use 'Weiss', 'she/her' and 'heiress' so many times before it gets repetative. Secondly, it reflects Wiess being self-aware of how people perceive her and wondering on some level if there's some truth to it. Her bid at freedom being crushed was a hard blow to Weiss's confidence so brushing off those barbs isn't as easy as it was in canon.
On a more cheerful note: Weiss has partner more then will give her the hugs she needs...even if she won't admit it. Giving her Neon as a partner would be down right sadistic to both of them. Hell it'd be cruel and unusual just to put them on the same team
I can see where you're coming from, though I am unsure if I agree. As an aside, I've been reading some guides lately that seem too discourage using the name/title of the point of view characters which may be useful if you like.
I don't think we know enough about their intent with Oscar to say its about creating a pairing, plus given Ozpin is living in his head I imagine the creep factor would drive a lot of people off after a point. I am somewhat doubtful Jaune will be replaced in that regard to be honest.
My mind tends to jump to most cynical possibility in cases like this, the side effect of being badly burned/let down by a lot of series.
That sorta thing is not without precedent, I remember something similar happening ages ago in Sailor Moon fan fiction where Sailor Saturn replaced Sailor Moon as the character writers used for crossovers/betrayal fics/wish fulfilment stories.
As to bringing him back, I am less bothered by that, though where they go with ti will have a big influence, as it stands I am leaning towards this coming to reveal Ozpin as a far more grey character and that 'Oscar' may not be in for a fun time in the future.
Though as to why kill him then bring him back, possibly because having Ozpin at his presumed peak around would make things too easy so stuffing him in a weak novice body will make it easier.
Ozpin being a gray character could have been achieved by having the main seven learn about some of the less savory things he did from people who knew or secondary sources. Leave it ambiguous, both in and out of the story, rather or not he was in the right or not to make those choices. Don't bog an already bloated narrative with an unnecessary character, that's my feeling on it.
Though as to why kill him then bring him back, possibly because having Ozpin at his presumed peak around would make things too easy so stuffing him in a weak novice body will make it easier.
Have Ozpin be captured instead of killed, like a lot of people thought he was at the end of vol 3, have him escape later when his abilities are needed but have all that time in captivity have resulted in his skills atrophying somewhat.
I can see where you're coming from, though I am unsure if I agree. As an aside, I've been reading some guides lately that seem too discourage using the name/title of the point of view characters which may be useful if you like.
I'll check those guides out if you link them but I have to admit I'm not certain if I could completely let go of that habit. Back when I first started writing I tried to go for a snarky [I thought so at least] omnipotent narrative. Some aspects of that still stick with me for good and for ill.
My mind tends to jump to most cynical possibility in cases like this, the side effect of being badly burned/let down by a lot of series.
That sorta thing is not without precedent, I remember something similar happening ages ago in Sailor Moon fan fiction where Sailor Saturn replaced Sailor Moon as the character writers used for crossovers/betrayal fics/wish fulfilment stories.
I do see your point, however given the particular nature of Oscar's involvement in the story (Dependent on Ozpin) the loss of the school setting, and Jaune's... everything, I don't see it as hugely likely. Plus Saturn at least had several of the nominally heroic characters trying ti kill her at one point so that was easy XD
Ozpin being a gray character could have been achieved by having the main seven learn about some of the less savory things he did from people who knew or secondary sources. Leave it ambiguous, both in and out of the story, rather or not he was in the right or not to make those choices. Don't bog an already bloated narrative with an unnecessary character, that's my feeling on it.
Fair enough, as I said, I'll likely need to see more of where they take it first, I do dislike the seemingly loss of focus that will cause on RWBY though.
Have Ozpin be captured instead of killed, like a lot of people thought he was at the end of vol 3, have him escape later when his abilities are needed but have all that time in captivity have resulted in his skills atrophying somewhat.
That could definitely work, though might have had its own problems with what Salem would do to him if she had unlimited access. Which I tend to assume is murder.
I'll check those guides out if you link them but I have to admit I'm not certain if I could completely let go of that habit. Back when I first started writing I tried to go for a snarky [I thought so at least] omnipotent narrative. Some aspects of that still stick with me for good and for ill.
That's totally fair, still its an interesting read so I might as well throw it up here.
Hmm in hindsight it may be a bit different than what I remembered, still a useful resource though:
Over the past several weeks I've been cooking up a morally-ambiguous organization to act as antagonists to a group of protagonists in an OC fic. I have the general idea of their members and leadership down, it's just that I'm a little fuzzy on how they operate due to lack of depth in RWBY's lore.
You see, I currently think of this organization as arms dealers selling weapons to anyone willing to pay -- so as long as they're used against Grimm. Given that Remnant humanity has to face off against literal monsters of darkness, you'd think they would have a booming arms industry specifically for defense against the Grimm -- although the only instance that implied an arms industry at all in the show was Ironwood's demonstration of the new Atlesian robots in Volume 2, claiming a cooperation between the Atlesian military and the Schnee Dust Company. (Incidentally, if SDC is primarily an exporter of dust, why would they help create weapons for Atlas? To me ,they don't particularly come across as the type to manufacture and sell weapons on a daily basis.)
What do you think of the idea of an arms industry on Remnant? Personally I don't know enough about the subject to make a complete educated guess, but I was hoping to bounce off ideas here, see any similarities and differences between Earth and Remnant on this subject.
What about specialized weaponsmiths? At least for Signal, Ruby said everyone there forges their own weapons, so I don't think it's out of line for other hunters to have specialists to bring their weapon designs to life.
I would think that the SDC, and especially Jacques Schnee would do anything and almost everything to make a lien, i'm sure some of his dealings are in a more legally grey area and would not be surprised to find that he has arranged for certain amounts of dust to "disappear" when it was financially advantageous and could be claimed stolen when it "fell of the back of a truck/ship"
What about specialized weaponsmiths? At least for Signal, Ruby said everyone there forges their own weapons, so I don't think it's out of line for other hunters to have specialists to bring their weapon designs to life.
You see, I currently think of this organization as arms dealers selling weapons to anyone willing to pay -- so as long as they're used against Grimm. Given that Remnant humanity has to face off against literal monsters of darkness, you'd think they would have a booming arms industry specifically for defense against the Grimm -- although the only instance that implied an arms industry at all in the show was Ironwood's demonstration of the new Atlesian robots in Volume 2, claiming a cooperation between the Atlesian military and the Schnee Dust Company. (Incidentally, if SDC is primarily an exporter of dust, why would they help create weapons for Atlas? To me ,they don't particularly come across as the type to manufacture and sell weapons on a daily basis.)
I may be a little confused, so please forgive me if that is so. However I am not sure there is much morally questionable about selling weapons to people who will only use them on Grimm. The sort of people or groups who would be morally questionable to sell to would be people like the White Fang, Juniors gang or maybe militias that, along with fighting Grimm, also abuse or drive out Faunus. Plus the producers have few if any reliable means to know how their weapons are being used so I'm a little confused, sorry.
As I understand it the SDC finds, mines, treats and sell dust and as it fuels basically all of civilization, including weapons and is not perfectly understood, them researching it (especially for new weapons which would be a big market) makes sense to me. Plus, as I said, Dust runs everything so the people who find and mine and treat it also wanting their fingers in the pie of everything else its connected to isn't a huge surprise to me, they produce cola and all sorts of stuff after all.
What do you think of the idea of an arms industry on Remnant? Personally I don't know enough about the subject to make a complete educated guess, but I was hoping to bounce off ideas here, see any similarities and differences between Earth and Remnant on this subject.
We know Dust is sold in regular stores and that given ti can be explosive, well, the society or at least Vale seem to have a somewhat cavalier attitude in general on such matters. Similarly stuff to make dangerous weapons is sold and bought by people as young as fifteen who can also be taught to use them, though that may require attendance to Signal and they can carry around such weapons as well, openly or in secret (Though again this may require some form of permit or attendance to a combat school.)
Overall, a lot of the arms industry is likely heavily intertwined with Dust and mass production for the average cop and or soldier, while more specialized equipment is likely self made or closely tied to the hunting community.
What about specialized weaponsmiths? At least for Signal, Ruby said everyone there forges their own weapons, so I don't think it's out of line for other hunters to have specialists to bring their weapon designs to life.
Given she said forge and how particular Hunter weapons are I find it unlikely such a career would be super viable beyond a relatively small collection of specialists who may themselves be retired Hunters.
Summary: Each of them took part in a leadership simulator gone wrong, turning ten weeks in a position of power to ten years. Both have had their ups and downs, and I do think that at least initially they suffer from my lack of experience two years ago, but they're both finished now, and I'd love to have people look things over themselves if they want to. It's been a wild ride, and I figured I should share the experience.
Though it's not over. I've got consequences to mete out now.
Just to gauge interest, I'm thinking of doing a Peggy Sue Warlock!Ruby (Warcraft's use of time travel and alternate dimensions makes plots like this easy to pull off) that's nominally in the same EU as Grave amd Fur (mostly the recurring cast I made to fill out the Order Hall leaders are used, because if they ain't broke, don't fix em)
Unlike most RWBY Peggy Sue's, though, Ruby would have no knowledge of Cinder's plans, since she was grabbed immediately after Volume 1, and therefore has more information on the Warcraft side of the cosmology (even if she did have knowledge of Cinder's plan, she kinda takes back seat to tracking down and killing the shit out of any Old Gods on Remnant)
Not sure what spec she would be (leaning towards Destruction, to keep with the fire motif I've had going across Grave and Fur, or Demonology, for the fun of Bad Powers, Good People Ruby dealing with the unrepentant asshole that is Thal'kiel)
I have alot of potential stories based around Ruby getting dropped into different places and found by different people leading to different specs, ranging from good is not soft (pure good just can't exist in Azeroth, even the best heroes dip into comedic sociopathy at times) to being punked by a sentient dagger, to making Drunkle Qrow look like a lightweight in the art of drunken combat
I do have plans for a Paladin one (as I said, I have at least one for every class except Demon Hunter), but that's far from a happy job in WoW, since the largest collection of Paladins, in order, are a band of xenophobic scumbags that are convinced that everyone who isn't a human and part of their group are plague corrupted undead that need to be wiped off the face of the earth, another group that started off by getting their powers through the torture of a Warcraft equivalent to an angel while boasting that theirs was the 'correct way' and the other paladins were doing it wrong (though they have since repented), a small order of about 300 men fighting off constant undead assaults, the Vindicators of the Exodar, and whatever Silver Hand members managed to be out of Lordaeron when Arthas put it to the sword (Sunwalkers don't count, their power is different in the lore from the games) Priests don't have it much better, since many of them are shacked up with one of those groups and only one of the priest specs doesn't involve atleast a small amount of consorting with the Void, which is the ultimate evil of Warcraft.
The most idealistic ones are Mage (Tirisgarde empowered Guardian of Tirsfal, ho!), Warrior, Druid, and, ironically, Warlock.
She leads the Council of Black Harvest (since this would be post Legion, where the player does take charge of them), the leading suppliers of Warlocks who think that because dark magic causes 90% of problems Azeroth they should probably actually know how it works, while taking precautions so they don't endanger Azeroth (if one of the members comes back without their partner, they're subjected to a telepathic scan, and if they betrayed the Council they're killed and have their soul permanently banished from Azeroth. If a member doesn't come back at all, they they hunt them down and jump right to the 'kill and permanently banished' step)
I actually have a full list of the ideas, though some have changed in the six months since I wrote this (The original plan for Fur, and what actually happened ended up changed to a great extent, and I'm hemming and hawing over which spec for Warlock Ruby)
Shadow Priest Ruby used by Xal'atath, found by Alonsus Faol.
Demonology Warlock Ruby, using Thal'kiel's skull, found by one of the Black Harvest members.
Arms Warrior, using Strom'kar, found by Havi.
Druid Ruby, using the Scythe of Elune, found by Tyrande.
Outlaw Rogue Ruby, uses Fate and Fortune, found by Tethys.
Enhancement Shaman Ruby, uses both Doomhammers, found by a member of the Warsong clan who took her as a slave, she was freed after making contact with a magma elemental and tearing open the earth below her master, fighting her way through the camp with a blacksmith's hammer, and being taken in as gladiator by Rehgar, and breaking free with Varian. Has a overtly motherly relationship with Anduin.
Marksman Archer Ruby, uses Thas'dorah, arrives earlier than (most of) the others, is found by Alleria and becomes an unofficial Farstrider.
Retribution Paladin Ruby, uses Ashbringer, found by Tirion, fought the with Argent Dawn and Argent Crusade, ultimately loses an arm during the Broken Shore (I always treat Fel, which is created from consuming the life and soul of something, as a natural counter to Aura, since it's supposed to be the power of the soul (it's also a joke to how Chaos Damage has always been built around ignoring defences))
Brewmaster Monk Ruby, uses Fu-Zan, found by Chen (to the surprise of nobody)
Arcane Mage Ruby, found by Aegwynn uses Aluneth and became Guardian after Medivh.
I do have plans for a Paladin one (as I said, I have at least one for every class except Demon Hunter), but that's far from a happy job in WoW, since the largest collection of Paladins, in order, are a band of xenophobic scumbags that are convinced that everyone who isn't a human and part of their group are plague corrupted undead that need to be wiped off the face of the earth, another group that started off by getting their powers through the torture of a Warcraft equivalent to an angel while boasting that theirs was the 'correct way' and the other paladins were doing it wrong (though they have since repented), a small order of about 300 men fighting off constant undead assaults, the Vindicators of the Exodar, and whatever Silver Hand members managed to be out of Lordaeron when Arthas put it to the sword (Sunwalkers don't count, their power is different in the lore from the games) Priests don't have it much better, since many of them are shacked up with one of those groups and only one of the priest specs doesn't involve atleast a small amount of consorting with the Void, which is the ultimate evil of Warcraft.
Honestly none of that seems too important as far as the merits of the profession in and of itself are concerned.
That is to say you could probably tell a story about a paladin without any of that being too relevant or problematic for said protagonist.
Funnily enough the way Light is described here, makes it seem to be similar to aura.
Especially when you remember that the Grimm are the only things on Remnant that are considered 'soulless'. Perhaps they could be void affiliated beings?
I may be a little confused, so please forgive me if that is so. However I am not sure there is much morally questionable about selling weapons to people who will only use them on Grimm. The sort of people or groups who would be morally questionable to sell to would be people like the White Fang, Juniors gang or maybe militias that, along with fighting Grimm, also abuse or drive out Faunus. Plus the producers have few if any reliable means to know how their weapons are being used so I'm a little confused, sorry.
As I understand it the SDC finds, mines, treats and sell dust and as it fuels basically all of civilization, including weapons and is not perfectly understood, them researching it (especially for new weapons which would be a big market) makes sense to me. Plus, as I said, Dust runs everything so the people who find and mine and treat it also wanting their fingers in the pie of everything else its connected to isn't a huge surprise to me, they produce cola and all sorts of stuff after all.
We know Dust is sold in regular stores and that given ti can be explosive, well, the society or at least Vale seem to have a somewhat cavalier attitude in general on such matters. Similarly stuff to make dangerous weapons is sold and bought by people as young as fifteen who can also be taught to use them, though that may require attendance to Signal and they can carry around such weapons as well, openly or in secret (Though again this may require some form of permit or attendance to a combat school.)
Overall, a lot of the arms industry is likely heavily intertwined with Dust and mass production for the average cop and or soldier, while more specialized equipment is likely self made or closely tied to the hunting community.
Given she said forge and how particular Hunter weapons are I find it unlikely such a career would be super viable beyond a relatively small collection of specialists who may themselves be retired Hunters.
Ah, let me clarify that: I got Jormungand on the brain when I was creating this group. Now they're admittedly partly inspired by Koko and her crew, and HCLI to some extent, but they're more based off of the Killer7 from Suda51's titular game*. At the time, I was iffy about whether to make this group mafia or arms dealers, so I decided to stick with the latter for the time being. Seeing your reaction though, I think I'm gonna need to head back to the drawing board a bit and continue brainstorming on in what ways this group is morally ambiguous, as well as their goals, their specialties and how they operate.
As for the SDC, I guess that, now that I think about it, I find it difficult to believe that the one company that mines, refines and sells dust would also be capable in researching and developing weapons; even if dust powers them, to me, there is a difference between just finding out how dust ticks and how you can utilize it for military use. Maybe it's because we haven't seen any other company that could compete with the SDC, or at the very least specialize in only weapons research and development. (I've heard of Merlot Industries in Grimm Eclipse, but I only know about a Merlot Industries as opposed to who they are and what they specialize in.)
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*If you don't know what Jormungand or Killer7 are though, well, the former is an anime about a female arms dealer traveling the world, dealing weapons, with a team of elite bodyguards, while the latter is... well, it's not exactly easy to explain the premise of this game, considering how its pretty "esoteric," if that's the right word, so I'm just going to leave a link to an LP of the game in the intro of the first video, with the commentator describing what the game is.
Honestly none of that seems too important as far as the merits of the profession in and of itself are concerned.
That is to say you could probably tell a story about a paladin without any of that being too relevant or problematic for said protagonist.
Funnily enough the way Light is described here, makes it seem to be similar to aura.
Especially when you remember that the Grimm are the only things on Remnant that are considered 'soulless'. Perhaps they could be void affiliated beings?
I've already gotten my plan for the Grimm and how they work into Warcraft's cosmology, don't even need to change any of Ozpin's legend.
If I don't have one of the orders, where would Ruby learn it from? A Paladin is a knight, so she'd need to learn how to take care of her armor and mount, her food.
The problem with saying that Light and Aura are the same is that they really don't have much in common. If a Scarlet Crusade (aforementioned violently xenophobic order) paladin realizes that he's part of a violently xenophobic order, he loses his connection to the Light, because he isn't capable of justifying what he has done 'in the name of the Light' as such anymore. If Cardin realized that he was a racist dickweed, he wouldn't spontaneously stop having an Aura. The Light and the Void are closer to a two side of the same coin than separate things. If a Naaru (one of those angels) is sufficiently injured, it actually shifts to a Void stage where it consumes as many souls as possible to speed up their healing.
I plan to do every story, eventually, just wanted to see if anyone would like to see the Warlock sooner rather than later.
Ah, let me clarify that: I got Jormungand on the brain when I was creating this group. Now they're admittedly partly inspired by Koko and her crew, and HCLI to some extent, but they're more based off of the Killer7 from Suda51's titular game*. At the time, I was iffy about whether to make this group mafia or arms dealers, so I decided to stick with the latter for the time being. Seeing your reaction though, I think I'm gonna need to head back to the drawing board a bit and continue brainstorming on in what ways this group is morally ambiguous, as well as their goals, their specialties and how they operate.
As for the SDC, I guess that, now that I think about it, I find it difficult to believe that the one company that mines, refines and sells dust would also be capable in researching and developing weapons; even if dust powers them, to me, there is a difference between just finding out how dust ticks and how you can utilize it for military use. Maybe it's because we haven't seen any other company that could compete with the SDC, or at the very least specialize in only weapons research and development. (I've heard of Merlot Industries in Grimm Eclipse, but I only know about a Merlot Industries as opposed to who they are and what they specialize in.)
I thought Jormungand might be playing a role here XD Overall a mafia cartel of some sort might be easier to work with, especially as Mistral apparently has tons. As for arms dealers, selling to criminals, the White Fang and other shady groups could work, as well as fostering and aiding more outward conflicts between different settlements or selling to bandit groups.
Keep in mind, Ironwood did say the military and weapons stuff was being done inc conjunction with the SDC not by them exclusively. However I am not really bothered by the idea myself. They're a hugely successful mega-corp that specialize in offering one specific resource that has a multitude of uses, looking for more uses seems quite plausible, especially as it helps secure a monopoly which seems to be Jac's goal.
I think Merlot dealt in developing new technologies and research, so something like that may be what you're going for. Could even make some of the left overs of the company within the walls trying to hold one by selling weapons to questionable people part of their backstory.
Just to gauge interest, I'm thinking of doing a Peggy Sue Warlock!Ruby (Warcraft's use of time travel and alternate dimensions makes plots like this easy to pull off) that's nominally in the same EU as Grave amd Fur (mostly the recurring cast I made to fill out the Order Hall leaders are used, because if they ain't broke, don't fix em)
Unlike most RWBY Peggy Sue's, though, Ruby would have no knowledge of Cinder's plans, since she was grabbed immediately after Volume 1, and therefore has more information on the Warcraft side of the cosmology (even if she did have knowledge of Cinder's plan, she kinda takes back seat to tracking down and killing the shit out of any Old Gods on Remnant)
Not sure what spec she would be (leaning towards Destruction, to keep with the fire motif I've had going across Grave and Fur, or Demonology, for the fun of Bad Powers, Good People Ruby dealing with the unrepentant asshole that is Thal'kiel)
I have alot of potential stories based around Ruby getting dropped into different places and found by different people leading to different specs, ranging from good is not soft (pure good just can't exist in Azeroth, even the best heroes dip into comedic sociopathy at times) to being punked by a sentient dagger, to making Drunkle Qrow look like a lightweight in the art of drunken combat
Not a huge peggy sue person to be honest, I do like WOW crossovers as a concept though. I am rather confused though, are you saying Ruby gets pulled form the end of V1, ends up in WOW, becomes a Warlock for some reason, then goes back to Remnant to kill old gods?
I do have plans for a Paladin one (as I said, I have at least one for every class except Demon Hunter), but that's far from a happy job in WoW, since the largest collection of Paladins, in order, are a band of xenophobic scumbags that are convinced that everyone who isn't a human and part of their group are plague corrupted undead that need to be wiped off the face of the earth, another group that started off by getting their powers through the torture of a Warcraft equivalent to an angel while boasting that theirs was the 'correct way' and the other paladins were doing it wrong (though they have since repented), a small order of about 300 men fighting off constant undead assaults, the Vindicators of the Exodar, and whatever Silver Hand members managed to be out of Lordaeron when Arthas put it to the sword (Sunwalkers don't count, their power is different in the lore from the games) Priests don't have it much better, since many of them are shacked up with one of those groups and only one of the priest specs doesn't involve atleast a small amount of consorting with the Void, which is the ultimate evil of Warcraft.
I'm pretty sure Stormwind and Ironforge have at least a decent Paladin/Priest population, plus lore-wise there's always Elune, though she may not reach out to none elves.
Enhancement Shaman Ruby, uses both Doomhammers, found by a member of the Warsong clan who took her as a slave, she was freed after making contact with a magma elemental and tearing open the earth below her master, fighting her way through the camp with a blacksmith's hammer, and being taken in as gladiator by Rehgar, and breaking free with Varian. Has a overtly motherly relationship with Anduin.
Are you referring to the actual doomhammer, because I am pretty sure there is only one and Thrall would likely need to be beaten to death before he parts with it.
If I don't have one of the orders, where would Ruby learn it from? A Paladin is a knight, so she'd need to learn how to take care of her armor and mount, her food.
Wouldn't that apply to any or all of her potential profession, plus given Ruby's experience much of that would seemingly be easy to adapt to or second nature already.
The Light and the Void are closer to a two side of the same coin than separate things. If a Naaru (one of those angels) is sufficiently injured, it actually shifts to a Void stage where it consumes as many souls as possible to speed up their healing.
Plus aren't light and void external things people channel? Like they may be tied to the universe itself the same way gravity is, but when a Paladin or priest uses them, its not like using a muscle is it?
Urp, arg, OK this is consuming my brain and needs to get out. So I have said I like the idea of a RWBY & WOW crossover, so I thought I'd go into some of the stuff I'd personally be doing/going for if I were to do it and break it into sections. (Sorry for the double post)
Method of arrival:
This is pretty straightforward, how do they get there and ow does that impact things?
Pyrrha (Plus possibly Cinder, Dragon and Ruby) I utilize the Silver eyes and basically go with them banishing/blasting whoever they hit and this last just happening to send Pyrrha to Azeroth, nominally resembling her, injured but alive.
Pyrrha:
I usually have Pyrrha team up with some local weak faction, not knowing much about how the world works, generally one of the more sympathetic mob species, in some ways she may be distracting herself from her fears she can never get home, that she failed & feel responsible to look out for the weak no matter where she is.
Cinder & Dragon:
Cinder I am unsure on, she may be injured or be largely OK, she'd definitely be a decently powerful force on Azeroth and we can't say for sure how loyal she is towards Salem or the Grimm, so she may just want to be powerful and feared on Azeroth and try to carve out her own power base.
The dragon could be fun, especially if it say, ended up in the Plaguelands and the people trapped in the undead are suffering and so would be natural targets for the Grimm and its spawns which could also lead to, well Grimm being a problem if the dragon isn't taken out quickly, especially if it lands somewhere more isolated.
Team RWBY
No question if I send one of RWBY I am near certain to send the rest. Of course do I do it after V4, V3, or V2?
V2 has the most advantages in tone as they can likely feel they aren't leaving a world on the brink of collapse, however there is fun to be had in say, Yang's robo arm, Blake's open ears and them possibly reuniting but in a new world. Additionally, there's a lot of messed up stuff for them to deal with post V3, which could make for interesting character focus stuff in its own right.
Overall, a difficult call, however I'd likely go for Post V2, as I can utilize Merlot to send them to Azeroth and just say that not only did he have some awareness of Salem but had also made some lose contact with the Burning Legion and or the Twisting Nether and so a portal he made sent RWBY to Azeroth (Or Outland) its harder to justify the separate team RWBY all ending up on Azeroth.
The decision on whether to scatter them is harder and owuld depend on the story itself, but overall I feel the Merlot Portal incident is at least eh easiest in universe explanation.
Scaling:
I know not everyone likes this kind of talk, but in some cases I find it helps me know how to handle conflicts within a story. So, first and foremost:
RWBY are not strong enough to casually snap Azeroth over their knees.
RWBY is however very impressive and dangerous by Azeroth standards.
I'd be maintaining my, somewhat, generous take on bullet time, strength and resilience, this means that they can tear through regular forces as easily as they did back in Remnant and so it takes some higher tier foes to threaten them truly on purely physical terms.
For some reference, in terms of strength, entities like:
Mountain Gronn would pose a strong challenge and be quite resilient.
Magnataur would be incredibly strong and smarter than most Grimm, though maybe not quite as resilient to being shot in the face.
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Pit lords, would be boss fights of a lifetime.
Basically, in terms of pure strength, speed and resilience they are pretty high end, though figures like Thrall who can use the spirits to empower themselves and shoot magic would be supreme threats by this standard and higher tier than RWBY themselves.
Wow, fortunately has a good number of figures who can also serve as glass cannons to RWBY's super fast brick, and with taking Lore over game mechanics figured like:
Hydromancer Velratha has traveled the world, collecting knowledge and artifacts to help her command Zul'Farrak's sacred waters. Although the hydromancer's actions have earned her many enemies abroad, she sees the incredible power at her command as justification for her past misdeeds.
OR
Archmage Arugal is a former mage of Dalaran who lived within the ruins of Shadowfang Keep and was later raised from the dead. He is most notorious for having unleashed the worgen once more unto the world by freeing them from the Emerald Dream.
would fall into higher echelons than the game mechanics allowed for.
Additionally, has a good amount of esoteric magic, from the trollish voodoo, to the magically seductive Succubi, to the power of curses and mind control. meaning that even if they are stronger or faster, that doesn't make RWBY untouchable and many magics would be very outside of context.
Stories:
One of the things I like about WOW is that there are a multitude of stories going on everywhere, all the time even more if one doesn't opt to follow the factions. By which for example: (I tend to hover around Vanilla WOW and Burning Crusade and Wrath for reference)
Westfall: Defiant Brotherhood are bandits but also revolutionaries against the monarchy and nobility, RWBY may be a bit sympathetic to their cause given they come from a democracy and the kingdom is pretty flawed.
The Barrens: The Nightmare is infecting the center, the Scourge is taking the South, alliance and horde clash over the land while the natives species are being driven from their homes, no matter who they sign on with, if anyone, its bound to be chaotic and dramatic.
Potentially could join up with mob species over the factions, or stay neutral, or just cause problems for everyone.
Silithus: Old gods whispering an army of near mindless drone like enemies bent around destruction, it almost feels like home.
Pplaguelands: Decaying landscaped, multiple dangerous factions, only a small host of potential allies and a massive wave of unrelenting in sleeping monsters "Feel familiar to anyone else?"
Just trying to survive here would be a trial, let alone dealing with the various hostile groups led by sentient like the Forsaken and Scarlets.
Ferelas: Ancient wonders fill the halls of Dire Maul, the woods are packed with hostile forces that may or may not be reasoned with, corrupted dragons control a portal to another realm and the ancient city is tied to a spell to access another world. (Plus gladiator combat)
Felwood: The Shadow council makes this their home, the land and air are toxic, demons plague the surroundings, and all sorts of otherworldly shenanigans are afoot.
Dalaran: Sealed behind its bubble or deep within the frozen wastelands of the North, it is no easy feat to get to the center of magic and potential otherworldly knowledge.
Seeking a way home by looking into areas with groups that have the most expertise and knowledge or appearing in them.
Ashenvale: The ancient forests are ripe with potential foes and allies, new species to meet are all over the place which I would love, and so many chances for unique cross cultural mixing.
Stranglethorn: A land of bloodshed, with the presence of reveling hunters, mind controlled mercenaries and a blood god looming overhead, but the Zandalari are some of the most learned people in the world and its in the nature of Hunters to help.
Undermine: isolated, chaotic, a technological wonderland and a den of corruption and inequity, will they cause a revolution or just try to get out?
Meet different species, make friends, foes, clash with entities well outside their normal wheel house.
So yeah, there's just a few options there alone, one could have them go on a borderline walking/riding tour of Azeroth, get caught up in the local issues and conspiracies, go hunting specific groups and a way home, just try to make do or be trapped by the circumstances that brought them there and be desperately seeking a way out and back to their team if nothing else?
Faction meet ups:
I'd likely avoid humans, mostly cos I find humans and those who can pass for human meeting humans who are basically them a tad dull and I feel like RWBY may struggle to find common ground with many, plus seeing their reactions to the other species and lands would be more fun, though places like Duskwood or Westfall are ripe for great interaction I feel.
Yang heading to Tinker Town from Stormwind after trying to find someone to discuss 'multiple world theory' with and being scoffed at for sounding like a Gnome and being super intrigued by their tech and them by hers would be super fun to me. I have this entire scene where Yang arrives i Tinker Town, is almost overwhelmed by the... everything but then starts analyzing the machinery while some curious gnomes watch and then she does a pretty good breakdown on how it works though having some trouble because its clearly not tied to Dust and impressing them Tech exchange fun and the chance to use "My you're a tall one!"
As I have noted, I have a sympathy for many of the weaker mob factions so getting their perspective on the hordes invasion of the Barrens or seeing how other organisations like the Dark Iron live could be fascinating and lead to potential game changers for those groups and also sorts of internal conflicts for RWBY.
Edit: plus I'd love to see their take on groups like the Tauren who actually could be seen as reliably friendly in comparison to say Orcs or trolls and are very, very none Faunus/human.
Then there's groups like the Shadow Council and their demonic masters who may be present for their arrival and want to use them and have great influence, there's corrupting old gods whispering who have their own agenda, plus groups like the Twilight Hammers and the Cult of the Damned, or lesser one's like the Syndicate and the Wildhammers, or other friendly one's like the Earthen Ring and the Cenarion Circle, or Dalaran who have their own goals and agendas and distinct societies and magics. Plus the goblins are a very mixed society depending on which group one ends up with, the relatively nice Steamwheedle are a world apart from the slavery using Bilgewater or the exploitative Ventures, though all these groups have skeletons in their closet which could make RWBY feel conflicted.
So yeah, lots of potential stories, lots of potential conflicts, allies and other such things. Wherever they end up, there'd be questions, confusion and potential conflicts, how involved do they get, whose side do they get one, if anyone's, how reliable are the one's telling them this and how reliable was the original lore on those groups perspectives? Wherever they end, together or alone, they can cause plenty of upheaval which can only draw more attention and open up the wider world through one path or another, creating a vaster variety of stories to tell.
Plus there's always stuff like the Dranei crashing near Mountain Glenn or on the Merlot Industries mission.
I thought Jormungand might be playing a role here XD Overall a mafia cartel of some sort might be easier to work with, especially as Mistral apparently has tons. As for arms dealers, selling to criminals, the White Fang and other shady groups could work, as well as fostering and aiding more outward conflicts between different settlements or selling to bandit groups.
Keep in mind, Ironwood did say the military and weapons stuff was being done inc conjunction with the SDC not by them exclusively. However I am not really bothered by the idea myself. They're a hugely successful mega-corp that specialize in offering one specific resource that has a multitude of uses, looking for more uses seems quite plausible, especially as it helps secure a monopoly which seems to be Jac's goal.
I think Merlot dealt in developing new technologies and research, so something like that may be what you're going for. Could even make some of the left overs of the company within the walls trying to hold one by selling weapons to questionable people part of their backstory.
Not a huge peggy sue person to be honest, I do like WOW crossovers as a concept though. I am rather confused though, are you saying Ruby gets pulled form the end of V1, ends up in WOW, becomes a Warlock for some reason, then goes back to Remnant to kill old gods?
The Old God thing has to do with the new Chronicles series of books (and Legion, to a lesser extent) where they drop some pretty heavy revelations about the nature of the Titans and Old Gods. Essentially (and this all makes slightly more sense in context) it turns out that Titans are massive. So massive, in fact, that they're born from the heart of planets. It turns out thst the Void Lords (the new capital B Baddy in the Warcraft Universe) pool together large chuncks of their power and chuck them through the Great Dark Beyond until they hit paydirt (it's a little vague on if they know which worlds have these 'World Souls' or if they're just doing it willy-nilly and hoping for the 'best') once these creatures hit a planet, they start burrowing their tendrils as far into the earth as possible until they can corrupt the Titan and use it to wage their war of extermination across the stars. It was this revelation that drove Sargeras mad, at which point he decided that the best way to stop the Void Lords from wiping out all the life in the universe... was to wipe all the life in the universe... starting with cleaving the World Soul he learned about this near in two.
So while he was out forming his army to be a omnicidal fuckwit, Aggramar found an incredibly powerful World Soul plagued with four Old Gods. After one attempt to go all out almost killed Azeroth (the leader of the Titans, Aman'Thul, tore Y'Shaarj from the ground along with his network of roots/tendrils, causing the injury that became the Well of Eternity) they eventually locked away the others, granted Azeroth chuncks of their power, and left to do whatever giant planet sized gods do, before Sargares killed them all.
I'm pretty sure Stormwind and Ironforge have at least a decent Paladin/Priest population, plus lore-wise there's always Elune, though she may not reach out to none elves.
Are you referring to the actual doomhammer, because I am pretty sure there is only one and Thrall would likely need to be beaten to death before he parts with it.
The expansion to WoW before the current one, Warlords of Draenor, had Garrosh travel back in time to create a 'new' version of the Old Horde by stopping Grom from drinking the Demon's Blood, and then invading Azeroth with it. During the counter invasion, Thrall challenged Garrosh to a Mak'gora, nearly lost, and then cheated with the Elements, at which point they took away his Shaman abilities and his ability to use the Doomhammer effectively (because apparently they can do that now) to facilitate the Enhancement Shaman getting it as their Artifact Weapon during Legion. This is ignoring that (as far as I can remember) Alt!Orgrim's copy wasn't destroyed, and should presumably have the same powers. But nobody liked WoD (it played like a Facebook game) so Blizzard tries to pretend it didn't happen whenever possible.
Apologies, I am reasonably familiar with the lore, however I am not really sure what you mean with these posts. Also, sorry, but kinda curious, any thoughts on my take on such a crossover?
The Old God thing has to do with the new Chronicles series of books (and Legion, to a lesser extent) where they drop some pretty heavy revelations about the nature of the Titans and Old Gods. Essentially (and this all makes slightly more sense in context) it turns out that Titans are massive. So massive, in fact, that they're born from the heart of planets. It turns out thst the Void Lords (the new capital B Baddy in the Warcraft Universe) pool together large chuncks of their power and chuck them through the Great Dark Beyond until they hit paydirt (it's a little vague on if they know which worlds have these 'World Souls' or if they're just doing it willy-nilly and hoping for the 'best') once these creatures hit a planet, they start burrowing their tendrils as far into the earth as possible until they can corrupt the Titan and use it to wage their war of extermination across the stars. It was this revelation that drove Sargeras mad, at which point he decided that the best way to stop the Void Lords from wiping out all the life in the universe... was to wipe all the life in the universe... starting with cleaving the World Soul he learned about this near in two.
So while he was out forming his army to be a omnicidal fuckwit, Aggramar found an incredibly powerful World Soul plagued with four Old Gods. After one attempt to go all out almost killed Azeroth (the leader of the Titans, Aman'Thul, tore Y'Shaarj from the ground along with his network of roots/tendrils, causing the injury that became the Well of Eternity) they eventually locked away the others, granted Azeroth chuncks of their power, and left to do whatever giant planet sized gods do, before Sargares killed them all.
I thought Sargeras's issue was more that the old gods and void lords would create a nightmarish hell reality that would undo all order or logic and so he decided he should wipe everything out and do a universal reboot so as to recreate the universe without the flaws that gave the Void Lords access?
Given the Azeroth old gods didn't know they were sitting on a world soul, I imagine the void lords didn't know what they were doing.
The expansion to WoW before the current one, Warlords of Draenor, had Garrosh travel back in time to create a 'new' version of the Old Horde by stopping Grom from drinking the Demon's Blood, and then invading Azeroth with it. During the counter invasion, Thrall challenged Garrosh to a Mak'gora, nearly lost, and then cheated with the Elements, at which point they took away his Shaman abilities and his ability to use the Doomhammer effectively (because apparently they can do that now) to facilitate the Enhancement Shaman getting it as their Artifact Weapon during Legion. This is ignoring that (as far as I can remember) Alt!Orgrim's copy wasn't destroyed, and should presumably have the same powers. But nobody liked WoD (it played like a Facebook game) so Blizzard tries to pretend it didn't happen whenever possible.
her. One part of this show Yang isn't afraid to call her mother out when she says or does something fucked up.
Hydromancer Velratha has traveled the world, collecting knowledge and artifacts to help her command Zul'Farrak's sacred waters. Although the hydromancer's actions have earned her many enemies abroad, she sees the incredible power at her command as justification for her past misdeeds.
Archmage Arugal is a former mage of Dalaran who lived within the ruins of Shadowfang Keep and was later raised from the dead. He is most notorious for having unleashed the worgen once more unto the world by freeing them from the Emerald Dream.