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I'm in Love with the Villainess (She's so Cheeky for a Commoner)
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    • Shanejayell said:
    The new edition from Claire's POV. Out now!

    I’m in Love with the Villainess: She’s so Cheeky for a Commoner (Light Novel) Vol. 1 | Seven Seas Entertainment

    A retelling of the hit yuri series I’m in Love with the Villainess that inspired an upcoming anime (original light novels and manga adaptation also from Seven Seas)—from the villainess’ point of view! Claire François has it all: beauty, brains, and the blood of nobility. As the daughter of a...
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    The image is broken, at least to me.

    In other news, I think the newest season of Pretty Cure is being somewhat unsubtle about where the relationship of Sora and Mashiro are going to end up going:




     
    Magical Revolution:

    Overall I have not enjoyed this arc, it inverts the things I like about Magical Revolution. I liked the revolutionary potential that Anise represents but then they have her fight against another more radical revolutionary, I'm not here for defending the status quo. I like that Anise went into magical transhumanism with the dragon tattoo but then they have the antagonist go further with a much cooler vampire transformation - goddammit why can't the hero be the one making themselves immortal for once.

    Al resenting the entire world is a mood though.

    Here's hoping the next arc is better.

    LN comparison: I'm happy they cut the bits with Anise verbally defending the status quo. I'm here for magical revolution, that's the opposite.[/spoiler]
     
    Yeah, that bugged me in the book as well. But there's something that I think they should have spelled out but didn't: look who's backing Algard. It's the traditionalist aristocrats, the ones least interested in improving the lot of the common people. They're looking for a return to the old ways where things were better for them and worse for everyone else. There's no way that the result of a coup they back is going to be more egalitarian. Essentially, Algard's plan is a "revolution" the way that the Beer Hall Putsch or January 6th was claiming to be a "revolution" (or perhaps more appropriately, Imperial Japan's "government by assassination" pre-WWII), a reactionary takeover intended to implement authoritarianism and turn back the clock.

    But the book never really says that.
     
    The Narrator said:
    Yeah, that bugged me in the book as well. But there's something that I think they should have spelled out but didn't: look who's backing Algard. It's the traditionalist aristocrats, the ones least interested in improving the lot of the common people. They're looking for a return to the old ways where things were better for them and worse for everyone else. There's no way that the result of a coup they back is going to be more egalitarian. Essentially, Algard's plan is a "revolution" the way that the Beer Hall Putsch or January 6th was claiming to be a "revolution" (or perhaps more appropriately, Imperial Japan's "government by assassination" pre-WWII), a reactionary takeover intended to implement authoritarianism and turn back the clock.

    But the book never really says that.
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    Probabaly because it sounded like his plan was to immediately turn on the nobels and either purge them or making him his mind controlled minions, then rule as an absolute dictator.
     
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    There is also the question if Algard was even planning on winning, for a moment it really looked like a complex attempt at suicide by sister.
     
    blast flame said:
    Magical Revolution:

    Overall I have not enjoyed this arc, it inverts the things I like about Magical Revolution. I liked the revolutionary potential that Anise represents but then they have her fight against another more radical revolutionary, I'm not here for defending the status quo. I like that Anise went into magical transhumanism with the dragon tattoo but then they have the antagonist go further with a much cooler vampire transformation - goddammit why can't the hero be the one making themselves immortal for once.

    Al resenting the entire world is a mood though.

    Here's hoping the next arc is better.

    LN comparison: I'm happy they cut the bits with Anise verbally defending the status quo. I'm here for magical revolution, that's the opposite.[/spoiler]
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    ?????

    On one side we have:
    -A hardliner traditionalist coup whose greatest intellectual feats were "we found this in ancient lore" and "i dunno, I guess I'll brute force this without any understanding of what I'm doing" and just completely using up resources without any understanding of how they work. There's no indication that this method can be used by anyone else. And the ideological justification is... an inferiority complex that's leading to an elaborate suicide by Palace Coup.

    The other:
    -A scientist and her clique of supporters whose greatest intellectual feat is step forward in the understanding of the underlying principals and can be replicated from small applications of gathered materials. This method is attached to the production of new consumer and industrial goods analogous to industrial development. She don't have any ideological justifcation other than a love of the process, but just the fact of her blazing a trail is going to allow for the proliferation of the technology, and the other members of her clique do seem to be promising just that.

    Al's success is... A vampire king backed by hardliner traditionalists who has totally promised that he'll restore the social peace by making the bad people pay. It'll just reify the existing order! The opposing success is almost certainly going to expand a bourgeois industrial class weather she wants to or not.

    There's no contest.

    You're basically taking a bunch of his lies at face value and ignoring his actions. You seem like you're attracted to the aesthetic of power rather than any meaningful technological or social advancement. He wasn't more radical in ideology or technology, he was just like... the only possible reason I could see for taking his side in this matter is that his issues are sympathetic and maybe his gender?

    What good is immortality if only the King gets it?
     
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    The anime also does a piss poor job of explaining his motives, unlike the novel, where at least he KIND OF makes sense.
     
    Ultimately, his real motivation is an inferiority complex towards his sister, regardless of what he says. And "more autocracy" has never solved a social problem, only ever made them worse.
     
    AKuz said:
    ?????

    On one side we have:
    -A hardliner traditionalist coup whose greatest intellectual feats were "we found this in ancient lore" and "i dunno, I guess I'll brute force this without any understanding of what I'm doing" and just completely using up resources without any understanding of how they work. There's no indication that this method can be used by anyone else. And the ideological justification is... an inferiority complex that's leading to an elaborate suicide by Palace Coup.

    The other:
    -A scientist and her clique of supporters whose greatest intellectual feat is step forward in the understanding of the underlying principals and can be replicated from small applications of gathered materials. This method is attached to the production of new consumer and industrial goods analogous to industrial development. She don't have any ideological justifcation other than a love of the process, but just the fact of her blazing a trail is going to allow for the proliferation of the technology, and the other members of her clique do seem to be promising just that.

    Al's success is... A vampire king backed by hardliner traditionalists who has totally promised that he'll restore the social peace by making the bad people pay. It'll just reify the existing order! The opposing success is almost certainly going to expand a bourgeois industrial class weather she wants to or not.

    There's no contest.

    You're basically taking a bunch of his lies at face value and ignoring his actions. You seem like you're attracted to the aesthetic of power rather than any meaningful technological or social advancement. He wasn't more radical in ideology or technology, he was just like... the only possible reason I could see for taking his side in this matter is that his issues are sympathetic and maybe his gender?

    What good is immortality if only the King gets it?
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    I'm definitely not defending Al's awful plan, just that it wasn't really the dynamic I wanted. But reading that it occurs to me that I guess it came across differently in the anime compared to the anime, I noticed some of that but failed to fully correct.

    See I was under the impression that Al's plan was to immediately betray the traditionalists who supported him. Al expresses a desire to abolish the nobility (explaining that he'll need the mind control to get such massive changes to work because his grandfather had failed with much more mild reforms) while Anise rather than just saying that his goals are good but his plan is both bad and evil explicitly defends the status quo in a scene I'm very happy was cut.

    And Al is portrayed as bad for not only the actual bad thing of attacking Laine but also for "abandoning his humanity" or something. I think, its been a while since I read it.

    (And if anything I think I prefer female protagonists)
     
    I feel like "we do not want a civil war one generation after the last civil war" might count as defending the status quo, but it's an understandable defence.
     
    The only way Al's plan would have worked is if he had everyone in the kingdom show up in front of the palace to be brainwashed again on the regular, Laine's whole problem was the charm wearing off caused the victims mental stress and misdirected aggression.

    Al's brainwashed utopian society would have eaten itself alive just like Laine's orphanage. If being a vampire king who ruled with charm power was that easy there would be vampire dynasties all over the place, not a mostly extinct and forgotten vampire race.
     
    And even if it had worked, no matter what the original motivation was, once an autocracy exists, its sole purpose becomes to preserve and increase the power of the autocracy. The populace would have just been oppressed by vampire secret police instead of nobles. And with an immortal autocrat, over time as the world changed and he didn't, his attitudes would seem regressive by comparison, so even if he did give the commoners more equality (doubtful), in a few generations when it was women or LGBT or ethnic minorities or colonized territories asking for it, he'd see no reason to listen.
     
    Yeah, I can safely say that the subtext has become more or less text in the newest Pretty Cure season.



     
    So I was wrong. looks like Magical Revolution will do book three.
    I guess next episode will be the history lesson, then the Euphie Anis fight over the rest of that episode and onto the final one....
     
    Are volumes three and four of I'm in Love with the Villainess any good? Volume two seemed to end on a pretty conclusive note so I wound up not bothering with them for fear of the story falling apart like My Next Life as the Villainess did, but the new release has me thinking about the series again.
     
    Alchemist767676 said:
    Are volumes three and four of I'm in Love with the Villainess any good? Volume two seemed to end on a pretty conclusive note so I wound up not bothering with them for fear of the story falling apart like My Next Life as the Villainess did, but the new release has me thinking about the series again.
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    Volumes three and four go to a new location, and stay there for the duration, so it's kind of its own story arc, with the occasional recurring character from previously.

    Volume five is very conclusive. Whether the plot points make sense is another matter, but it's the sort of thing that emphasizes "conclusion".

    I admit I can't actually say whether it's good, but that's because I don't know if I can call the first few volumes "good" either. They're definitely interesting and intriguing, but "good" feels like the wrong descriptor.
     
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