Cassiemouse
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Marcato certainly didn't seem prepared to be ousted at all. Not sure why. I honestly expected him to be more of a threat. Was no one loyal to him in the end except Lorenzo?
Legacy of The Tenth Crusade - A Divergences of Darkness Nation Quest [Finished]
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his "Allies" were not the most trustworthy most expected
Well, now the islamists are the only credible internal menace left in the country. I would suggest that we kick out the islamists and right wing Ba'Athists from the AENC and have some quick elections to consolidate the socialists' power but we are at war and war time elections are very messy.
Maybe we could start by imprisoning the most despicable islamists and publicize their trials to cast the most negative possible light on the islamists? Though this will certainly cause a response from the islamists my hope is that if we catch the worse they have to offer when they defend him it will cause the kind of bad press that can only be asociated with a political party defending blatant corruption in times of hardship.
Maybe we could start by imprisoning the most despicable islamists and publicize their trials to cast the most negative possible light on the islamists? Though this will certainly cause a response from the islamists my hope is that if we catch the worse they have to offer when they defend him it will cause the kind of bad press that can only be asociated with a political party defending blatant corruption in times of hardship.
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Finally, no more submission, no more negotiating for what rightfully belongs to us and no more having to fein friendship with imperialists, let us do as Saladin once did and teach europe a lesson it won't soon forget.
Onwards to an united Arab homeland, dedicated to the cause of international liberation.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ft_dXvtLceE
Onwards to an united Arab homeland, dedicated to the cause of international liberation.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ft_dXvtLceE
Islamists are the worst "allies" you can have as dozens of people found out the hard irl, the most unrealistic thing about this quest is how they haven't already betrayed marcato within two turns of meeting him.
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We should probably move the capital to Cairo now that we're free of colonial institutions. It would be symbolic of putting the government back at the center of the country rather than where the colonizers can access it most easily.
He had no power base, really.
He had no power base, really.
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The Mandate is dead! Long live the Republic!
Unfortunately for Governor Marcato, the new Egyptian republic is not his republic.
The Macedonians and the governor believed that the AENC would play along for longer and grant them time to counteract the AENC's schemes. However, both the Macedonians and Marcato granted the AENC too much freedom in running Egypt and decided to in the case of the Macedonians or planned to by the case of Marcato to crack down on the AENC too late.
Marcato's schemes did not truly buy him the loyalty of the Islamists or the Sicilians. They accepted his guns and training but had no real respect for him. It was also probably an error for Marcato to spit on the CAP when the CAP still had control of almost half of parliament after the land reform.
I am quite surprised that Marcato allowed the AENC government to rotate out the loyal European officers and troops especially when Lorenzo did not miss it. I feared that a major battle could had occurred in the capital with the governor's European guards and troops when we decided to declare independence because I thought that the governor would have a proper plan to resist a coup. I guess Marcato did not listen to Lorenzo.
Unfortunately for Governor Marcato, the new Egyptian republic is not his republic.
The Macedonians and the governor believed that the AENC would play along for longer and grant them time to counteract the AENC's schemes. However, both the Macedonians and Marcato granted the AENC too much freedom in running Egypt and decided to in the case of the Macedonians or planned to by the case of Marcato to crack down on the AENC too late.
Marcato's schemes did not truly buy him the loyalty of the Islamists or the Sicilians. They accepted his guns and training but had no real respect for him. It was also probably an error for Marcato to spit on the CAP when the CAP still had control of almost half of parliament after the land reform.
I am quite surprised that Marcato allowed the AENC government to rotate out the loyal European officers and troops especially when Lorenzo did not miss it. I feared that a major battle could had occurred in the capital with the governor's European guards and troops when we decided to declare independence because I thought that the governor would have a proper plan to resist a coup. I guess Marcato did not listen to Lorenzo.
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Of course, as soon as the wars over, our coalition's gonna come apart. At least we have a full half of the army firmly socialist.
If the Venetian Diplomatic Approach had won, it definitely would have given Marcato a leg up in securing a power base. He would have introduced major sweeping legislation to turn Egypt into an Islamic republic. There would have been a list of options which players would have been forced to pick from and vote for 2 or 3 of them. The exact details would have been decided by which options won, but it would have ranged from stuff like mandating all government employees/officials be Muslim, implementing Islamist social laws, stripping Copts of citizenship, arresting the CAP and stuffing parliament with Islamists, etc.
Venice would have backed him to the hilt, while also taking out loans in Egypt's name to put it further in debt and pay for its war efforts. It would have posted more officers in Egypt to help train Islamist officers and married the colonial regime to them at the hip. Marcato would have also made a show of converting to Islam to remain in power. Islamist imams and propagandists would have tried to sell the change in policies as him seeing the light of God and having a change of heart. Obviously a lot of people wouldn't believe it but Marcato would have taken credit for literally every good policy passed, including extra holidays, social welfare, and victory over Levant. At a certain point it seems convincing enough.
That would have pretty much guaranteed a civil war to remove him too, since by that point he'd be the biggest backer for the Islamists. Venice would have started networking and allying with the Arab monarchies to sway them to its side to try to shore up its grip on the region. While it likely would have kept out other countries from intervening in the war, Venice would have started tipping the scales in favour of the Islamists.
However, since none of that happened, Marcato hadn't solidified shit with the Islamists. They could see which way the wind was blowing and figured they'd throw in with the winning side.
Venice would have backed him to the hilt, while also taking out loans in Egypt's name to put it further in debt and pay for its war efforts. It would have posted more officers in Egypt to help train Islamist officers and married the colonial regime to them at the hip. Marcato would have also made a show of converting to Islam to remain in power. Islamist imams and propagandists would have tried to sell the change in policies as him seeing the light of God and having a change of heart. Obviously a lot of people wouldn't believe it but Marcato would have taken credit for literally every good policy passed, including extra holidays, social welfare, and victory over Levant. At a certain point it seems convincing enough.
That would have pretty much guaranteed a civil war to remove him too, since by that point he'd be the biggest backer for the Islamists. Venice would have started networking and allying with the Arab monarchies to sway them to its side to try to shore up its grip on the region. While it likely would have kept out other countries from intervening in the war, Venice would have started tipping the scales in favour of the Islamists.
However, since none of that happened, Marcato hadn't solidified shit with the Islamists. They could see which way the wind was blowing and figured they'd throw in with the winning side.
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Goes to show that getting rid of him was the correct decision after all, he would have just done every trick in the colonialism handbook.
Now we just need to deal with the Islamists in the army, hopefully there is some inglorious campaign we can send them to die in or at least destroy their most active and militant membership.
EDIT: also turns out trying to court an out and out imperialist who openly wants to make you a colony is a very bad idea who would have thought.
Now we just need to deal with the Islamists in the army, hopefully there is some inglorious campaign we can send them to die in or at least destroy their most active and militant membership.
EDIT: also turns out trying to court an out and out imperialist who openly wants to make you a colony is a very bad idea who would have thought.
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Fleurs de Merde
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Whoa, that shit sucks ass. Mea culpa for pushing the Venice option - thought the diplomatic and fleet cover would be worth it, the politics more or less status quo, and the party right testier than it was, but evidently it was more supposed to be a desperation play than anything else. Definitely will consider voting a bit more aggro going forwards.
IamtooSleepy
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I am quite sure we will have plenty of that consider how much chemical weapons Levant plan on using. It's going to be very bloody for sure, for the rest of our army too, unfortunately.
Egypt, Winter 1918 - Sinai Crisis Part 4
I'm sorry this took so long to get out. Originally I said I wouldn't have votes on strategy/tactics to avoid micro-management, but struggled with direction and found myself floundering. Eventually I realized I needed to bite the bullet and write this. I feel like these are things that should be decided by the players.
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Egypt, Winter 1918 - Sinai Crisis Part 4
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Grand speeches and ideas alone did not a revolutionary war make, Khouri knew that well. He'd studied the successes of the USR and Iberia in their own revolutions and subsequent wars, alongside assembling a staff of loyalists and veterans of colonial conflicts. More than a few men in his general staff had seen action against Aragon in Numidia and in Palestine against the Crusaders. He noted with some distaste the few Islamists in the room, smugly giving orders and trying to throw their weight against the Socialists officers.
None cared for their bluster and regarded the Islamists coolly. Only a few days prior Khouri seriously expected he'd have to arrest them too alongside Marcato's European officers. Instead they remained loyal to the party and now sought to fill the power vacuum in command, especially as some officers reacted poorly to the declaration of an independent, socialist Egypt. It presented a possible issue if it wasn't handled immediately.
The Royalists, long stripped of their wealth, power, and nearly everything save their rank, retired nearly to the man. The few who remained wished did so out of nationalist pride. The rest planned to leave the country to offer their services to the monarchies of the Arab League. While they commanded relatively few troops, their departure left gaps in the command structure.
Meanwhile the Copts were split regarding the declaration. Most had ties to Macedonia and Venice, and many feared renewed pogroms against Copts, like they had suffered years ago under the king. They were antsy, agitated, and scared, frantically trying to mobilize their own forces in case of a crack down. In Alexandria and Cairo things threatened to escalate in Copt neighbours as officers and soldiers began fearing the cheering crowds as potential lynch mobs. The Radical Copts attempted to reassure their co-religious officers that there was nothing to fear, but without serious concessions from the government the radicals' promises had little backing.
Proposals were drawn up to pull NCOs and officers from the paramilitaries to fill in the gaps. It'd be quick, rough, but prevent sections of the army from functioning being commandless. The Islamists were eager to offer candidates that fit the bill. They wanted to even out the ideological disparity between them and the Socialists in the army, and saw the crisis as an opportunity to force it through. The Socialists themselves pushed for officers to be drawn from the Peasant Militias.
Khouri himself considered a radical new approach: elected officers. He'd wanted to implement it for years but knew it'd be vetoed by Marcato. With the governor gone and a new revolutionary government in place, it seemed like the golden opportunity to do so. Soldiers will vote for their own officer drawn from their ranks. While most officers would likely retain their current command, it meant empty slots would be filled by officers reflecting the makeup of the army and be split evenly between Islamists and Socialists.
The downside though was the lack of time to do more than offer an expedient crash course in officer training for those chosen, if any at all, and the process itself would have to be done quickly. The idea is seen as having merit but some but most push for their own wing's dominance in the army. There is the idea of not worrying about it. It'd mean those without officers would likely serve as a manpower pool for the rest of the army without joining fighting directly, though it was feared it would impact overall cohesion for soldiers cycled into existing formations.
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Copts
The Copt officers are panicking, hard. They have yet to open fire on people because of the restraint of the Radical Copts and have instead barricaded themselves in their own barracks. They refuse to march to war unless concessions are given to them or else they will fight against the new revolutionary government. There are a few approaches considered.
The Copt's demands are that they can not be disarmed, they retain property rights, be given exceptions to labour laws (so no nationalization or forced unionization), they continue to retain control over private schools, and be given a minimum number of seats in parliament as a protected minority.
The Islamists are in favour of crushing this officer/soldier strike, quickly and brutally. Copts have constantly worked with Europeans to rule over the rest of Egypt. Islamists insist that Copts, to the last, are foreign agents and saboteurs that should be disarmed, if not expelled from the country at the soonest possible convenience.
Meanwhile the Radical Copts suggest that the government comply with their demands to avoid unnecessary bloodshed and possible reprisal killings against Copts. The Socialists mostly agree with the Radical Copts, save for exception to labour laws. Within the clique they're somewhat split between Marxists and Ba'athists as to what constitutes property rights per se, but for the time being they agree that Copts will have equal property rights as Arabs but no exceptions
Pick 1
[ ][COP] Crush them now. Islamists will move in to clear out the barricaded barracks and surrounding neighbourhoods with extreme prejudice.
[ ][COP] Agree to all of their demands. They will cautiously resume their duties and march to war.
[ ][COP] Agree to all, except the labour law exceptions. There is resent in their eyes but they will accept it.
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Royalists
There is debate over if their retirement and departure should be accepted or not. There is some concern about them sharing military secrets (what little they know), while others think they want to spend their retirement living like nobles in a kingdom. It is familiar to them, more than any socialist Egypt will be, especially since their titles are still recognized in Nejd, Hejaz, and Oman. There is also the fear that they could form the core of a potential royalist coup backed by the Arab League.
Pick 1.
[ ][ROY] Arrest them. They don't get to leave the country.
[ ][ROY] Let them go. They aren't worth the effort.
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Egyptian Officers
The army is inherently political. That's an inescapable fact. As such, a few did not agree with the political direction of the revolution and have left or are on the verge of revolt. This is an opportunity to radically reshape the army by restaffing empty posts. There are currently 2 available officer slots that need to be dealt with. If Copt officers are crushed, then that opens up another slot.
Current Officer Pool: 8 Slots: 2 empty, 1 Copt, 1 Radical Copt, 3 Socialist, 1 Islamist
Pick 1.
[ ][OFF] Peasant Militias: all empty slots will be filled by Socialists
[ ][OFF] Islamist Paramilitary: all empty slots will be filled by Islamists
[ ][OFF] Elected Officers: empty slots will be split between Islamists and Socialists. Islamists will gain another slot if Copts are crushed.
[ ][OFF] Do nothing: empty slots will remain empty, leaving gaps in command structure but maintaining the current balance.
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There is the matter of strategy too. In one sense it's quite simple, there's one front: Levant. The army will seize the canal then move to push into Levant. However war has many moving parts, some parts serving a better purpose in one place over another. There's a degree of fine tuning necessary before the military can spring into action.
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Airplanes
The airforce is modest, but well developed compared to Egypt's neighbours. The opening stages of the war presents an opportunity for it to hit targets hard before anyone could muster a response. However it can't be everywhere at once. Levant does not have an airforce, though it does have a couple unarmed surveyor planes. They are expected to be shot down without much issue. The Sicilian Partisans will help bomb the chemical weapon reserves by painting targets on the buildings and sabotaging sprinkler systems.
Pick 2.
[ ][AIR] Bomb Levant's chemical weapon reserves.
[ ][AIR] Observe Levant's troop movements from the sky and harass them.
[ ][AIR] Assist the army by attacking tactical targets.
[ ][AIR] Help the army seize the canal.
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Tanks
They're marvelous, heavily armoured and armed war machines, except for the light ones which are lightly armed but no less marvelous. Unmatched by any of its neighbours. Levant does not have tanks but does have armoured cars. They are similar to Egypt's light tanks, save for the fact that they have wheels instead of treads.
Egypt currently has no doctrine for how to use them. They were developed to brave the expected no man's land of Europe, which they would be unlikely to face. Levant's fortifications are not nearly as extensive or impressive as the trench networks of WW1. That leaves the army with a collection of armoured vehicles looking for a purpose. German doctrine calls for heavy tanks to break fortifications and hit enemy armoued vehicles followed closely by infantry, while light tanks act as scouts and infantry support.
It's an extremely conservative approach. The tanks won't move by themselves, always supported by heavy guns, infantry, and cavalry. It puts them less at risk, which Khouri feels makes the doctrine a good approach. Egypt can repair and replace their tanks in limited numbers, but he doesn't want to risk losing them through overextension. The light tanks aren't immune to the heavier guns fielded by Levant either. There are a few others though that call for faster action.
They suggest a newer, Polish inspired doctrine. Their armoured vehicles are expected to travel great distances quickly and operate without support during opening battles, acting like the top of the spear. While they're supposed to be supported by motorized infantry, these officers suggest Egypt's cavalry can make up the difference in supporting breakthrough attacks. They contend that Egypt's entire tank force mustered at a single point presents an unstoppable force that will require immediate response from Levant to prevent their lines from falling apart. Thus weakening their flanks and putting them on the back foot.
The issue is that Egypt is using German tanks, though these officers believe the relatively short distances involved makes it a valid approach. They don't have to cross the great fields of Ruthenia and Crimea.
Pick 1
[ ][TAN] German Doctrine
[ ][TAN] Polish Doctrine
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Navy
The navy is respectable for Egypt's size and industry. Macedonia's cruiser that once menanced Alexandria isn't much of a threat to it anymore. While Levant's navy is a meager collection of coastal patrol boats and decade old destroyers. Understaffed and more meant for shelling uprisings near the coast than fighting off a peer opponent. There's a few proposals for how to deploy it.
The most conservative is keeping it near the coast to intercept any attacks and keep it close at hand, in the off chance that it's necessary. Among the sailors and quite a few officers want action however. They want to take the fight to Levant itself. Its strongholds reside on the coast, Jaffa, Acre, and Tyre. All easily within range of their guns. These officers suggest an attack on Levant's navy in Jaffa, then raids on all three cities to sow chaos. It won't collapse the colonial regime but it'd ruin their fallback plans and destabilize their core. The cost however is staggering collateral damage, including civilian deaths. The shelling will be indiscriminate.
Lastly, it's suggested that Egypt's navy move north, hit Levant's navy in port, then move to intercept Macedonian reinforcements from Cyprus, which are expected to land in Levant or Syria. It will draw the navy far away from Egypt but is expected to speed up Syria's collapse by preventing Macedonian from reinforcing its garrisons.
Regardless of what's picked, the navy will help seize the Suez Canal.
Pick 1
[ ][NAV] Protect the Egyptian coastline
[ ][NAV] Raid Levant coastline: Jaffa, Acre, and Trye
[ ][NAV] Intercept Macedonian reinforcements
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Vote by plan.
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Egypt, Winter 1918 - Sinai Crisis Part 4
===
Grand speeches and ideas alone did not a revolutionary war make, Khouri knew that well. He'd studied the successes of the USR and Iberia in their own revolutions and subsequent wars, alongside assembling a staff of loyalists and veterans of colonial conflicts. More than a few men in his general staff had seen action against Aragon in Numidia and in Palestine against the Crusaders. He noted with some distaste the few Islamists in the room, smugly giving orders and trying to throw their weight against the Socialists officers.
None cared for their bluster and regarded the Islamists coolly. Only a few days prior Khouri seriously expected he'd have to arrest them too alongside Marcato's European officers. Instead they remained loyal to the party and now sought to fill the power vacuum in command, especially as some officers reacted poorly to the declaration of an independent, socialist Egypt. It presented a possible issue if it wasn't handled immediately.
The Royalists, long stripped of their wealth, power, and nearly everything save their rank, retired nearly to the man. The few who remained wished did so out of nationalist pride. The rest planned to leave the country to offer their services to the monarchies of the Arab League. While they commanded relatively few troops, their departure left gaps in the command structure.
Meanwhile the Copts were split regarding the declaration. Most had ties to Macedonia and Venice, and many feared renewed pogroms against Copts, like they had suffered years ago under the king. They were antsy, agitated, and scared, frantically trying to mobilize their own forces in case of a crack down. In Alexandria and Cairo things threatened to escalate in Copt neighbours as officers and soldiers began fearing the cheering crowds as potential lynch mobs. The Radical Copts attempted to reassure their co-religious officers that there was nothing to fear, but without serious concessions from the government the radicals' promises had little backing.
Proposals were drawn up to pull NCOs and officers from the paramilitaries to fill in the gaps. It'd be quick, rough, but prevent sections of the army from functioning being commandless. The Islamists were eager to offer candidates that fit the bill. They wanted to even out the ideological disparity between them and the Socialists in the army, and saw the crisis as an opportunity to force it through. The Socialists themselves pushed for officers to be drawn from the Peasant Militias.
Khouri himself considered a radical new approach: elected officers. He'd wanted to implement it for years but knew it'd be vetoed by Marcato. With the governor gone and a new revolutionary government in place, it seemed like the golden opportunity to do so. Soldiers will vote for their own officer drawn from their ranks. While most officers would likely retain their current command, it meant empty slots would be filled by officers reflecting the makeup of the army and be split evenly between Islamists and Socialists.
The downside though was the lack of time to do more than offer an expedient crash course in officer training for those chosen, if any at all, and the process itself would have to be done quickly. The idea is seen as having merit but some but most push for their own wing's dominance in the army. There is the idea of not worrying about it. It'd mean those without officers would likely serve as a manpower pool for the rest of the army without joining fighting directly, though it was feared it would impact overall cohesion for soldiers cycled into existing formations.
===
Copts
The Copt officers are panicking, hard. They have yet to open fire on people because of the restraint of the Radical Copts and have instead barricaded themselves in their own barracks. They refuse to march to war unless concessions are given to them or else they will fight against the new revolutionary government. There are a few approaches considered.
The Copt's demands are that they can not be disarmed, they retain property rights, be given exceptions to labour laws (so no nationalization or forced unionization), they continue to retain control over private schools, and be given a minimum number of seats in parliament as a protected minority.
The Islamists are in favour of crushing this officer/soldier strike, quickly and brutally. Copts have constantly worked with Europeans to rule over the rest of Egypt. Islamists insist that Copts, to the last, are foreign agents and saboteurs that should be disarmed, if not expelled from the country at the soonest possible convenience.
Meanwhile the Radical Copts suggest that the government comply with their demands to avoid unnecessary bloodshed and possible reprisal killings against Copts. The Socialists mostly agree with the Radical Copts, save for exception to labour laws. Within the clique they're somewhat split between Marxists and Ba'athists as to what constitutes property rights per se, but for the time being they agree that Copts will have equal property rights as Arabs but no exceptions
Pick 1
[ ][COP] Crush them now. Islamists will move in to clear out the barricaded barracks and surrounding neighbourhoods with extreme prejudice.
[ ][COP] Agree to all of their demands. They will cautiously resume their duties and march to war.
[ ][COP] Agree to all, except the labour law exceptions. There is resent in their eyes but they will accept it.
===
Royalists
There is debate over if their retirement and departure should be accepted or not. There is some concern about them sharing military secrets (what little they know), while others think they want to spend their retirement living like nobles in a kingdom. It is familiar to them, more than any socialist Egypt will be, especially since their titles are still recognized in Nejd, Hejaz, and Oman. There is also the fear that they could form the core of a potential royalist coup backed by the Arab League.
Pick 1.
[ ][ROY] Arrest them. They don't get to leave the country.
[ ][ROY] Let them go. They aren't worth the effort.
===
Egyptian Officers
The army is inherently political. That's an inescapable fact. As such, a few did not agree with the political direction of the revolution and have left or are on the verge of revolt. This is an opportunity to radically reshape the army by restaffing empty posts. There are currently 2 available officer slots that need to be dealt with. If Copt officers are crushed, then that opens up another slot.
Current Officer Pool: 8 Slots: 2 empty, 1 Copt, 1 Radical Copt, 3 Socialist, 1 Islamist
Pick 1.
[ ][OFF] Peasant Militias: all empty slots will be filled by Socialists
[ ][OFF] Islamist Paramilitary: all empty slots will be filled by Islamists
[ ][OFF] Elected Officers: empty slots will be split between Islamists and Socialists. Islamists will gain another slot if Copts are crushed.
[ ][OFF] Do nothing: empty slots will remain empty, leaving gaps in command structure but maintaining the current balance.
===
There is the matter of strategy too. In one sense it's quite simple, there's one front: Levant. The army will seize the canal then move to push into Levant. However war has many moving parts, some parts serving a better purpose in one place over another. There's a degree of fine tuning necessary before the military can spring into action.
===
Airplanes
The airforce is modest, but well developed compared to Egypt's neighbours. The opening stages of the war presents an opportunity for it to hit targets hard before anyone could muster a response. However it can't be everywhere at once. Levant does not have an airforce, though it does have a couple unarmed surveyor planes. They are expected to be shot down without much issue. The Sicilian Partisans will help bomb the chemical weapon reserves by painting targets on the buildings and sabotaging sprinkler systems.
Pick 2.
[ ][AIR] Bomb Levant's chemical weapon reserves.
[ ][AIR] Observe Levant's troop movements from the sky and harass them.
[ ][AIR] Assist the army by attacking tactical targets.
[ ][AIR] Help the army seize the canal.
===
Tanks
They're marvelous, heavily armoured and armed war machines, except for the light ones which are lightly armed but no less marvelous. Unmatched by any of its neighbours. Levant does not have tanks but does have armoured cars. They are similar to Egypt's light tanks, save for the fact that they have wheels instead of treads.
Egypt currently has no doctrine for how to use them. They were developed to brave the expected no man's land of Europe, which they would be unlikely to face. Levant's fortifications are not nearly as extensive or impressive as the trench networks of WW1. That leaves the army with a collection of armoured vehicles looking for a purpose. German doctrine calls for heavy tanks to break fortifications and hit enemy armoued vehicles followed closely by infantry, while light tanks act as scouts and infantry support.
It's an extremely conservative approach. The tanks won't move by themselves, always supported by heavy guns, infantry, and cavalry. It puts them less at risk, which Khouri feels makes the doctrine a good approach. Egypt can repair and replace their tanks in limited numbers, but he doesn't want to risk losing them through overextension. The light tanks aren't immune to the heavier guns fielded by Levant either. There are a few others though that call for faster action.
They suggest a newer, Polish inspired doctrine. Their armoured vehicles are expected to travel great distances quickly and operate without support during opening battles, acting like the top of the spear. While they're supposed to be supported by motorized infantry, these officers suggest Egypt's cavalry can make up the difference in supporting breakthrough attacks. They contend that Egypt's entire tank force mustered at a single point presents an unstoppable force that will require immediate response from Levant to prevent their lines from falling apart. Thus weakening their flanks and putting them on the back foot.
The issue is that Egypt is using German tanks, though these officers believe the relatively short distances involved makes it a valid approach. They don't have to cross the great fields of Ruthenia and Crimea.
Pick 1
[ ][TAN] German Doctrine
[ ][TAN] Polish Doctrine
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Navy
The navy is respectable for Egypt's size and industry. Macedonia's cruiser that once menanced Alexandria isn't much of a threat to it anymore. While Levant's navy is a meager collection of coastal patrol boats and decade old destroyers. Understaffed and more meant for shelling uprisings near the coast than fighting off a peer opponent. There's a few proposals for how to deploy it.
The most conservative is keeping it near the coast to intercept any attacks and keep it close at hand, in the off chance that it's necessary. Among the sailors and quite a few officers want action however. They want to take the fight to Levant itself. Its strongholds reside on the coast, Jaffa, Acre, and Tyre. All easily within range of their guns. These officers suggest an attack on Levant's navy in Jaffa, then raids on all three cities to sow chaos. It won't collapse the colonial regime but it'd ruin their fallback plans and destabilize their core. The cost however is staggering collateral damage, including civilian deaths. The shelling will be indiscriminate.
Lastly, it's suggested that Egypt's navy move north, hit Levant's navy in port, then move to intercept Macedonian reinforcements from Cyprus, which are expected to land in Levant or Syria. It will draw the navy far away from Egypt but is expected to speed up Syria's collapse by preventing Macedonian from reinforcing its garrisons.
Regardless of what's picked, the navy will help seize the Suez Canal.
Pick 1
[ ][NAV] Protect the Egyptian coastline
[ ][NAV] Raid Levant coastline: Jaffa, Acre, and Trye
[ ][NAV] Intercept Macedonian reinforcements
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Vote by plan.
[X] Full Steam Ahead
-[X][COP] Agree to all, except the labour law exceptions. There is resent in their eyes but they will accept it.
-[X][ROY] Arrest them. They don't get to leave the country.
-[X][OFF] Elected Officers: empty slots will be split between Islamists and Socialists. Islamists will gain another slot if Copts are crushed.
-[X][AIR] Bomb Levant's chemical weapon reserves.
-[X][AIR] Assist the army by attacking tactical targets.
-[X][TAN] Polish Doctrine
-[X][NAV] Raid Levant coastline: Jaffa, Acre, and Trye
So I believe these are our best options in the moment. We're going to war and we've already lost some officers so keeping disruptions minimal is important. So I'm keeping as many officers as possible while limiting the Islamists as much as we can. I'm hoping that we can draw the rest of the Copt's in as radicals over time accordingly (+ I'ld like to avoid commiting genocide). For doctrine again I've talked about it before but we can not allow Levant to turtle up and proceed as planned. To that end I want to cut off their chemical weapons and fallback even though I don't feel good about the inevitable civilian casualties. Tanks I'm most iffy on, I don't know if we have the capabilities to actually commit to Polish doctrine but if we can pull it off it could shorten the war dramatically I feel.
-[X][COP] Agree to all, except the labour law exceptions. There is resent in their eyes but they will accept it.
-[X][ROY] Arrest them. They don't get to leave the country.
-[X][OFF] Elected Officers: empty slots will be split between Islamists and Socialists. Islamists will gain another slot if Copts are crushed.
-[X][AIR] Bomb Levant's chemical weapon reserves.
-[X][AIR] Assist the army by attacking tactical targets.
-[X][TAN] Polish Doctrine
-[X][NAV] Raid Levant coastline: Jaffa, Acre, and Trye
So I believe these are our best options in the moment. We're going to war and we've already lost some officers so keeping disruptions minimal is important. So I'm keeping as many officers as possible while limiting the Islamists as much as we can. I'm hoping that we can draw the rest of the Copt's in as radicals over time accordingly (+ I'ld like to avoid commiting genocide). For doctrine again I've talked about it before but we can not allow Levant to turtle up and proceed as planned. To that end I want to cut off their chemical weapons and fallback even though I don't feel good about the inevitable civilian casualties. Tanks I'm most iffy on, I don't know if we have the capabilities to actually commit to Polish doctrine but if we can pull it off it could shorten the war dramatically I feel.
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IamtooSleepy
I came here to be an ant
[X] Full Steam Ahead
I mostly agree with this plan, even if I prefer to intercept Macedonian reinforcements instead. While going all out aggressive can be very risky, I hope it would allow us to overrun Levant before they can put a concrete resistance. It would also be hilarious if the first application of "blitzkrieg" tactics is a very recently independent former colonial state instead of any major powers.
Also, @Roost, I think we can pick 2 AIR choice?
I mostly agree with this plan, even if I prefer to intercept Macedonian reinforcements instead. While going all out aggressive can be very risky, I hope it would allow us to overrun Levant before they can put a concrete resistance. It would also be hilarious if the first application of "blitzkrieg" tactics is a very recently independent former colonial state instead of any major powers.
Also, @Roost, I think we can pick 2 AIR choice?
[X] Full Steam Ahead
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- She/Her/They/Them
[X] Full Steam Ahead
- Location
- The observable universe
[X] Plan Aggressive assault
[X][COP] Agree to all, except the labour law exceptions. There is resent in their eyes but they will accept it.
[X][ROY] Arrest them. They don't get to leave the country.
[X][OFF] Peasant Militias: all empty slots will be filled by Socialists
[X][AIR] Bomb Levant's chemical weapon reserves.
[X][AIR] Help the army seize the canal.
[X][TAN] Polish Doctrine
[X][NAV] Intercept Macedonian reinforcements
[X][COP] Agree to all, except the labour law exceptions. There is resent in their eyes but they will accept it.
[X][ROY] Arrest them. They don't get to leave the country.
[X][OFF] Peasant Militias: all empty slots will be filled by Socialists
[X][AIR] Bomb Levant's chemical weapon reserves.
[X][AIR] Help the army seize the canal.
[X][TAN] Polish Doctrine
[X][NAV] Intercept Macedonian reinforcements
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- Location
- SEA
[X] Plan Aggressive assault
- Location
- Somewhere in the area
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
[X] Plan: Tactical Destruction
-[X][COP] Agree to all, except the labour law exceptions. There is resent in their eyes but they will accept it.
-[X][ROY] Arrest them. They don't get to leave the country.
-[X][OFF] Elected Officers: empty slots will be split between Islamists and Socialists. Islamists will gain another slot if Copts are crushed.
-[X][AIR] Bomb Levant's chemical weapon reserves.
-[X][AIR] Assist the army by attacking tactical targets.
-[X][TAN] German Doctrine
-[X][NAV] Raid Levant coastline: Jaffa, Acre, and Trye
I don't think the tanks will be able to handle the polish doctrine, especially without armored vehicles to transport motorized infantry to support them. Otherwise, this plan focuses on tactical destruction of the Levant's military capacity.
-[X][COP] Agree to all, except the labour law exceptions. There is resent in their eyes but they will accept it.
-[X][ROY] Arrest them. They don't get to leave the country.
-[X][OFF] Elected Officers: empty slots will be split between Islamists and Socialists. Islamists will gain another slot if Copts are crushed.
-[X][AIR] Bomb Levant's chemical weapon reserves.
-[X][AIR] Assist the army by attacking tactical targets.
-[X][TAN] German Doctrine
-[X][NAV] Raid Levant coastline: Jaffa, Acre, and Trye
I don't think the tanks will be able to handle the polish doctrine, especially without armored vehicles to transport motorized infantry to support them. Otherwise, this plan focuses on tactical destruction of the Levant's military capacity.
- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Plan Aggressive assault
- Location
- The observable universe
Idk why people are going for the elected officers option and again purposefully empowering the Islamists even more, thats just ensuring more officers may sell you out to the enemy because of ideological differences, that you will have even more of a problem with islamist militants in the future and I should note guarantees war crimes aganist non-muslims in this war
- Location
- New York
@Roost, we can have two air opinions for the opening of the war.
@Fission Battery How reliable are our tanks mechanically? Will half of them break down before reaching the first enemy trench like the first OTL WW1 tanks or are they somewhat more reliable like later OTL WW1 tanks? What is the top speed of our tanks? The heavy tank seems somewhat similar to the OTL German A7V tank which had a top speed of 15 km/h (9.3 mph) on roads and 6.4 km/h (4.0 mph) cross-country. The light tank seems very similar to the OTL British Whippet tank which had a top speed of 13.4 km/h (8.33 mph).
Our heavy bomber seems similar to the OTL Russian Ilya Muromets bomber which was successful by OTL WW1 standards.
@Fission Battery How reliable are our tanks mechanically? Will half of them break down before reaching the first enemy trench like the first OTL WW1 tanks or are they somewhat more reliable like later OTL WW1 tanks? What is the top speed of our tanks? The heavy tank seems somewhat similar to the OTL German A7V tank which had a top speed of 15 km/h (9.3 mph) on roads and 6.4 km/h (4.0 mph) cross-country. The light tank seems very similar to the OTL British Whippet tank which had a top speed of 13.4 km/h (8.33 mph).
Our heavy bomber seems similar to the OTL Russian Ilya Muromets bomber which was successful by OTL WW1 standards.
- Location
- France
- Pronouns
- She/They
I'm tempted to pick non elected officers because this is a bit too short notice to put anyone through officer school.
Would a write in to get half socialist, half islamist promotions from militias be valid @Fission Battery ? I'd like to keep the equilibrium to avoid making waves before the offensive. If not, socialist officers seems ok.
Otherwise, the plan is okay but I'd also prefer delaying Macedonian reinforcements since we're aiming for the full sweep.
Would a write in to get half socialist, half islamist promotions from militias be valid @Fission Battery ? I'd like to keep the equilibrium to avoid making waves before the offensive. If not, socialist officers seems ok.
Otherwise, the plan is okay but I'd also prefer delaying Macedonian reinforcements since we're aiming for the full sweep.
Having more islamist officers means that when the islamists inevitably try to seize power they will have a greater support base.
Like, if there's something I learned from Marcato's imprisonment and QM's comments is that giving our enemies any kind of oportunity to gain power is an error.
Like, if there's something I learned from Marcato's imprisonment and QM's comments is that giving our enemies any kind of oportunity to gain power is an error.