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I should clarify that I'm also an Indonesian myself. I do not consider myself to be free to talk about the average Indonesian's attitude towards history, only that it is regrettable in some aspects ( I do not exempt myself from this statement), which results in equally regrettable acts such as the desecration of the war graves @RBomber mentioned.
 
ARBITRACOM said:
I should clarify that I'm also an Indonesian myself. I do not consider myself to be free to talk about the average Indonesian's attitude towards history, only that it is regrettable in some aspects ( I do not exempt myself from this statement), which results in equally regrettable acts such as the desecration of the war graves @RBomber mentioned.
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Uhm, a question.

Is the motive of revenge in anyway involved in the desecration of the war graves? After all, almost all of the sunken ships are those of Indonesia's invaders and colonizers.
 
kilopi505 said:
Uhm, a question.

Is the motive of revenge in anyway involved in the desecration of the war graves? After all, almost all of the sunken ships are those of Indonesia's invaders and colonizers.
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My opinion on this should not be taken as a categoric explanation. If I transgress any is invited to correct me. With that said:

It might be a contributing factor, but I would argue that it seems to be far from a major one and certainly not the only one; the average Indonesian nowadays will not display any overt anti-Western sentiments nor holdover feelings for being colonized and invaded.

What remains is simply practicality and ignorance, as well as the fact that the Indonesian govt never took any action to preserve them; the lucky ones will receive de facto protection for being diving sites and tourist attractions. Others... well, we already know.

I highly condemn the practices, and this in no way is an attempt to absolve any party of blame; not even me myself as I learned of the fact too late.
 
CompassJimbo said:
I'm mildly surprised that it isn't being used to educate more often. Naval history takes a new turn when you're hearing it from the ships themselves.
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All education is more interesting when waifus (and husbandos) are involved.
Japan is ahead of the curve in that sense.

The resulting rule 34 is just an unfortunate side effect.
 
I seem to have found the Mother of All Combat Submarines.
Turtle (submersible) - Wikipedia
She was the first submersible vessel used to attack another vessel. Although, the actual Mother of All Submarines is likely those created by Denis Papin. But it's Turtle who we can thank for all our subfus like Yuu. :)
 
kilopi505 said:
Uhm, a question.

Is the motive of revenge in anyway involved in the desecration of the war graves? After all, almost all of the sunken ships are those of Indonesia's invaders and colonizers.
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As far as I know, no. Most of them are just people desperate to put food on their families' tables. Others might do it out of greed, but I doubt any of them have revenge or political motives to do it.

To them they are not war graves, just piles of materials worth money and within reach without too much danger.

That's why I don't like it, but I can understand why they do it.
 
Dunno about you but I'd rather people recycled the materials than leave them to rot there. Sentimentalism is all nice and good but there's a finite amount of stuff in the world.

Although gotta note that informal extraction is hugely risky and ideally shouldn't happen but people gotta put food on the table.
 
Kyte, as a percentage of the amount of material in the world, those wrecks are... maybe a hundredth of a percentage. Maybe.

And by that logic, we should send our museum ships to the breaker yards. Only so much material in the world!

Display aircraft? To the scrappers! Only so much aluminum! You can just look at pictures!
 
These are war graves that are being looted. Even if the dead can't come back to haunt those who dare disturb their resting places, it's still disrespectful, regardless of the cause they fought for.
 
That's what memorials are for. You don't need to leave junk lying around for that.

PAGDTenno said:
Kyte, as a percentage of the amount of material in the world, those wrecks are... maybe a hundredth of a percentage. Maybe.

And by that logic, we should send our museum ships to the breaker yards. Only so much material in the world!

Display aircraft? To the scrappers! Only so much aluminum! You can just look at pictures!
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Alright, what of the other angle: the crap those things put in the water.

And the difference is museum and such are actually kept and cared. (and frankly there's a point where if those museum ships can't be put on land then yeah perhaps they should be sent to the breakers)
 
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Kyte said:
Alright, what of the other angle: the crap those things put in the water.
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Okay. Let's start with Arizona. She's pumping a few hundred gallons of oil and other pollutants a year into Pearl Harbor, and she's not under too much water, so removing her wreckage would actually, in engineering terms, be fairly simple.

Or, we could take a little bit of a sense of scale with this argument. The amounts of pollutants being released by wrecks, especially now when a lot of what there was to corrode away already has, is minimal.
 
Without going into anything else, I have to say, I'm fairly sure we're only in a position to complain because we aren't in the positions of having to desperately scrounge for any source of cash to feed ourselves or our families. It's the sort of attitude that can only come from a position of privilege, especially the aspect that blames the salvagers rather than, say, the society failing to support them, or the colonial empires for stunting indigenous development.
 
People, just ignore Kyte. He already stated before that he does this sort of thing to get people pissed at him and to be a contrarian.
Genolution said:
Without going into anything else, I have to say, I'm fairly sure we're only in a position to complain because we aren't in the positions of having to desperately scrounge for any source of cash to feed ourselves or our families. It's the sort of attitude that can only come from a position of privilege, especially the aspect that blames the salvagers rather than, say, the society failing to support them, or the colonial empires for stunting indigenous development.
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Actually, no. Unless a person who is desparate for cash can also somehow get a hold of massive amounts of explosives like some of these guys have, or buy massive barges along with cranes on them to sit on top of them to grab the steel:

And considering that a number are not local but come all the way from Malaysia... I doubt very much that a lot of these are poor people.
 
Kiyone4ever said:
The wreck of the USS Indianapolis HAS been found!
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Paul Allen billionaire cofounder of Microsoft and 'amateur' hobbyist explorer found it today.

His last big find was the Musashi. Finding Indianapolis is more impressive from a technical perspective, because its a smaller ship found at a greater depth then Musashi was found, though still only half the depth of Titanic.
The livestreamed for Musashi had more views then this one, and got more news coverage for that (though still not that much news on big news sites), and more talk on warship forums.
I think only really hobbyist people were that super interested in Musashi, so even less are probably super interested in Indie. And even alot of those hobbyists probably aren't as interested in a cruiser as much as a battleship.

The Yamato class also has a sort of memetic legendary reputation in their idea of them, especially with the respect lots of anime give them. A cruiser wouldn't bring that much awe and respect. It's considered smaller, less powerful, and less significant and grand.
Especially one associate with nukes, which many find distasteful, and most famous in wider modern fad pop culture for sharks in the film JAWS instead of actual accomplishments.

It's a shame that Indianapolis doesn't have a popular personification. Lots of animesque fanart was made for Musashi finding to commemorate that, showing her with Paul Allen and others.

There are less popular personifications of Indianapolis, but the fact they're from less popular series, or a less popular ship, means probably little to no content or discussion of the event.
Though I have found a small group of western artists did draw the warship itself in a sketch collaboration project.
 
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IIRC there was also some fanart done of I-forget-which-sub (I think it was I-19?)
Turns out it was buried head-first so the fanart turned out pretty funny. :V

Harry Leferts said:
People, just ignore Kyte. He already stated before that he does this sort of thing to get people pissed at him and to be a contrarian.
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No, I'm not. That's just you grossly misreading my words.

I use hyperbole for effect, but I never lie about what I believe in. Also if you can't see the difference between a calm post and one that's being played up then you have problems.
 
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Kyte said:
No, I'm not. That's just you grossly misreading my words.

I use hyperbole for effect, but I never lie about what I believe in. Also if you can't see the difference between a calm post and one that's being played up then you have problems.
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There is really only two possible choices in regards to the most recent one. One of those is that, somehow, you lack the complete and utter empathy and understanding to know why people would take major issue with having war graves (and that is what they are considered) ripped apart simply for scrap. Or... and this one is more likely with the post above, you are saying such things just to rile people up and get a reaction.
 
If those are the only two options then I guess it's the former.

I don't think graves are untouchable. Even war graves. There's other ways to remember people. Better ones, even.
 
If you are not prepared to deal with spontaneous mass summonings, please keep the following tune well away from any summoning site.



Late edit: There were over thirty thousand voices that did the singing. Downmixing over two hundred tracks to stereo can not have been easy.
 
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Té Rowan said:
If you are not prepared to deal with spontaneous mass summonings, please keep the following tune well away from any summoning site.
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That is how you end up with shipgirls that don't actually have to walk on land by themselves, but rather are carried around everywhere by their fairies. The fairies are generally faster.


Not the fastest or the most dangerous on the water, but pretty terrifying when coastal raids and amphibious assaults are involved. :D


Strypgia said:
Ok come on, what possible problems could we get from summoning up. say, 150 Fletchers all at once, really?
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The room only having the volume to hold ~130? :p There's going to be a need for every drop of lubricant on base and a shoehorn (or 12).
 
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or Willie D leaving the cluster-**** in progress, and accidentally de-pantsing one (or more) of her siblings?

Yes, I speak of her ripping off the railing of the ship she was berthed next to on her way out of harbor, to be part of Iowa's escort. (which then leads to torpedoes)
 
Was listening to Radspitz as I occasionally do, and up popped the idea of a group of shipgirls in the North Atlantic, up near the Arctic Ocean, surrounded by Abyssals and preparing for a Last Stand when…

THOOM… THOOM… "HÚH!"

… the Abyssals start getting restless…

THOOM… THOOM… "HÚH!"

… and looking less and less sure of themselves…

THOOM… THOOM… "HÚH!"

… eventually beginning to break away…

THOOM… THOOM… "HÚH!"

… just as They appear…

THOOM… THOOM… "HÚH!"

… striding across the ocean, led by a few Coasties…

THOOM… THOOM… "HÚH!"

… men, women, boys, girls…

THOOM… THOOM… "HÚH!"

… all more than ready to do excessive amounts of violence…

THOOM… THOOM… "HÚH!"

… to the ones that disturbed The Big Game.
 
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