As she is now, facing the truth of herself would break her as it did with Philip.
Philip didn't broke because he "faced" the truth though. You should've used Yan as an example.

But I get your point. I still think you are just assuming that the door we are about to open is the Sea Born one, and not the door we will walk out of that is the seaborn hivemind, the one that smells of sea water.
 
It's a bit up in the air depending on how the author rolls, but going purely by Arknights canon the Seaborn don't do mind games. They are honest to a fault. It doesn't preclude Wympe fabricating some weird mindspace to cope with whatever issues they are dealing with, but We Many, the Seaborn Hivemind, will be very straight in making their pitch.
 
Philip didn't broke because he "faced" the truth though. You should've used Yan as an example.

But I get your point. I still think you are just assuming that the door we are about to open is the Sea Born one, and not the door we will walk out of that is the seaborn hivemind, the one that smells of sea water.

Why the fuck would Wympe label the exit with a "Do Not Open" sign?
 
Why the fuck would Wympe label the exit with a "Do Not Open" sign?
How am I supposed to answer that?

Why the hell would her own mental image of Lech/aka her conscience tell her to open a door, while she herself tells her to do otherwise?

She's literally so contradictory her goddamn conscience insults her the moment they meet.
 
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[X] Open the door

We definitely need more information on this choice to make a solid answer but my first instinct was to open it so I'll be going with opening it, plus I feel this could be the more interesting option, after all a certain hag taught me to not advert my eyes from the horror
 
Why the hell would her own mental image of Lech/aka her conscience tell her to open a door, while she herself tells her to do otherwise?

She's literally so contradictory her goddamn conscience insults her the moment they meet.

Confidence issues.

As stated multiple times by both Sieg and Arabella whenever she comes up as a topic, Wympe has crippling confidence issues that makes it hard for her to do anything but criticize herself. That both Dream Lech and Dream Sleepy insult Wympe with every other breath is to be expected because that's her every other thought.

I know that "Library of Ruina Players can't read" is a meme and all guys, but don't let Wympe turn into a sea monster because of it.
 
Confidence issues.

As stated multiple times by both Sieg and Arabella whenever she comes up as a topic, Wympe has crippling confidence issues that makes it hard for her to do anything but criticize herself.
Then why do you assume that the note isn't stemmed from a confidence issue too?

It could easily be Wympe insulting herself and burying a problem away from people who can help her because she thinks she should handle it herself and her conscience is just telling her to fucking get to it.

Reading isn't a problem here. We can all read. It's just the goddamn assumptions will walk in circles for hours at this rate. And also, you should re-read it and see which goddamn door actually smells like seawater.

The one that suddenly appear and Wympe smelled seawater or the one that appeared long enough for her to read through a note left on the damn thing?
 
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Confidence issues.

As stated multiple times by both Sieg and Arabella whenever she comes up as a topic, Wympe has crippling confidence issues that makes it hard for her to do anything but criticize herself. That both Dream Lech and Dream Sleepy insult Wympe with every other breath is to be expected because that's her every other thought.

I know that "Library of Ruina Players can't read" is a meme and all guys, but don't let Wympe turn into a sea monster because of it.

To be fair lech never really insulted her more pointed out an issue and Sleepy talking like that is in character for him, plus simply running away and not facing this is just feeding into her confidence issues as apposed to actually dealing with them.
Sleepy probably appeared because of her insecurities and confidence issues so the person who is harshest would be the one talking to her, I see turning back and hiding away to be the more risky option since it could mean essentially abandoning the real world that wympe doesn't have the confidence to face. It's a risk either way yeah but I'd prefer to see what happens if we move forward.
 
Then why do you assume that the note isn't stemmed from a confidence issue too?

It could easily be Wympe insulting herself and burying a problem away from people who can help her because she thinks she should handle it herself and her conscience is just telling her to fucking get to it.

Ah, but see, it doesn't matter if the note stems from confidence issues as well from my point of view.

I'm advocating for Wympe to continue to run away from her problems, remember? I want her to shelve this for a bit until the Arabella situation is under control.
 
I personally don't think it's that simple. This doesn't seem like something we will get a "later" to resolve.

Wympe has a chance to resolve the physical issue herself here. And I am telling her to take it.

Otherwise, I will never hear the end of it from Carmen when Wympe sees what happened to Arabella because of her 'weakness'.
 
Ah, but see, it doesn't matter if the note stems from confidence issues as well from my point of view.

I'm advocating for Wympe to continue to run away from her problems, remember? I want her to shelve this for a bit until the Arabella situation is under control.

This is a fair point though I think shelving it away and not dealing with the problem could be a bit of an issue considering the situation she's in. After all succumbing and running away from reality is basically an open invitation for the seaborn to take the wheel and for her to go full fish. Though I am definitely no expert on the seaborn so take what I say with a grain of salt
 
To be fair lech never really insulted her more pointed out an issue and Sleepy talking like that is in character for him, plus simply running away and not facing this is just feeding into her confidence issues as apposed to actually dealing with them.

I was referring to this:

"What is inside the door is precisely what is wrong with you, Wympe." he shrugs. "Well, ignoring your psychological issues. The, well, less abstract thing that is wrong with you."

It's worded in a way to criticize Wympe for having psychological issues. As if that wasn't a thing for literally everyone in the Turbulence Office.

I personally don't think it's that simple. This doesn't seem like something we will get a "later" to resolve.

Wympe has a chance to resolve the physical issue herself here. And I am telling her to take it.

Otherwise, I will never hear the end of it from Carmen when Wympe sees what happened to Arabella because of her 'weakness'.

Then it seems we are at an impasse.

You want her to face the Seaborn now, and I want to do it later.

If your Open the Door goes through and things go to shit, I'm not letting you hear the end of it either.
 
I'm pretty sure Wympe isn't equipped to deal with what's behind the door. Taking time off and getting into a better headspace is a valid strategy. She can't resolve this, not as she currently is at least. Rushing headlong seems convenient but I can't see this not backfiring.
 
It's worded in a way to criticize Wympe for having psychological issues. As if that wasn't a thing for literally everyone in the Turbulence Office.
That's a reach. That's a goddamn reach and you know it. Lech could just be talking literal and it wouldn't make a difference.

I'm pretty sure Wympe isn't equipped to deal with what's behind the door. Taking time off and getting into a better headspace is a valid strategy. She can't resolve this, not as she currently is at least. Rushing headlong seems convenient but I can't see this not backfiring.
That's what Wympe also thinks it seems.
She can't do anything. It's always someone else more capable than her resolving her issues for her. Arabella. Now, Sieg and Capone.

You want her to face the Seaborn now, and I want to do it later.

If your Open the Door goes through and things go to shit, I'm not letting you hear the end of it either.
Right back at you. Because apparently, the only way this discussion can go is a circle.
 
It sucks that we don't know for sure what either decision will do for us. It would suck worse if the doors have long-term effects on the quest that we have no real way of knowing about. Wympe's dream isn't what I'd call a reliable source of information.
 
That's what Wympe also thinks it seems.
She can't do anything. It's always someone else more capable than her resolving her issues for her. Arabella. Now, Sieg and Capone.
I could say the same for the current situation she is in. Lech is telling Wympe to open the door, not for herself but for him. Why he is asking this we don't know, but opening the door isn't her idea. In fact its the exact opposite of what she wants. She would face what's inside not for herself but because someone else said so.
 
I could say the same for the current situation she is in. Lech is telling Wympe to open the door, not for herself but for him. Why he is asking this we don't know, but opening the door isn't her idea. In fact its the exact opposite of what she wants. She would face what's inside not for herself but because someone else said so.
Except, in this situation, Wympe knows that Lech is her own mind telling her to do that.

While the situation of her running away would be absolutely certain that it will be someone else doing it for her again.
 
Not too familiar with these characters since I haven't played the mod after finishing the game, but I would like to note that as far as turning into Seaborn goes, we know that being emotionally vulnerable is one of the ways that it happens.

There were two failure states that could have led to Skadi surrendering to Ishar-mla and turning into a Seaborn. I'll be talking about the 1st one since that's more relevant to the situation. First was in Sal Viento when the First to Talk told her the truth regarding the Abyssal Hunters and how Ishar-mla lives on inside her, and how the Aegir state were likely the people who murdered her parents rather than the Seaborn.

This was a moment of vulnerability for Skadi that shook her to the core, and she needed Gladiia to shake her out of it by reminding her of who she was and who their enemies were. The complex stuff she could think about later. They had prey to hunt first.

It also helped that Specter who she was very close to, was lucid and back to her old self again.

This is relevant since right now, Wympe doesn't have the support structure she needs to keep herself from turning. She doesn't have Sieg or Arabella around to pull her from the brink, and with her low sense of self-esteem, she probably will lose the fight to We Many.

If the goal is to have her face whatever's wrong with her, I believe that now is a bad time to do that.

On the other hand, meeting We Many could be really cool. :p
 
Interesting...I will still keep my vote though. It doesn't really address the risk factor that still exists with "Which door is seaborne and which door is City bullshit?" , which is the fundamental reason why the sudden surge of Opening the door votes popped up in the first place.

I.e, I believe the door that smells of seawater is the Walk Away option. Not the one with the note.

As Lech said. This is a physical problem door, not a mental one. So chances are, it could easily be something Wympe has known for a lot longer than the Seaborne problem, and she never talked about it to anyone else. Again. Coin toss. Why are there so many fucking coin tosses?

Plus. Yall are literally already forgetting about Capone sitting right next to Wympe with literally 1 chapter of him not appearing.

As for mental fragility...
Well...

: Don't forget about me yeah?

It's another coin toss if we talk about mental fragility.
 
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Plus. Yall are literally already forgetting about Capone sitting right next to Wympe with literally 1 chapter of him not appearing.

As for mental fragility...
Well...

: Don't forget about me yeah?

It's a coin toss if we talk about mental fragility
Tbh, the thought of seeing Carmen debating We Many would be a hoot, mainly because neither would be able to understand each other since their mindsets are just so fundamentally alien from one another. Granted, she isn't really in Sieg's corner so even if she does win, results may not be desirable.

That aside, I don't think Capone is sufficiently close enough to Wympe for him to be able to do anything with her emotionally, and he isn't practiced enough in Biomancy to manipulate someone else's body without risking something going wrong.
 
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I don't think Capone is sufficiently close enough to Wympe for him to be able to do anything with her emotionally
This is yet another coin flip.

Capone is a surprisingly decent guy after getting hit with that Ayin Shock Therapy Special! by Sieghart. He just needs to understand how to not be a dick head and he can tell Wympe otherwise.

He's Wympe junior after all. I'm sure she can at least pull up enough will to be nice in front of him. Since Wympe is apparently the grunt in the office based on Sieghart's words.
 
I.e, I believe the door that smells of seawater is the Walk Away option. Not the one with the note.

I... but we already-

Okay, you know what, fuck this argument it's not even what the vote is about

@thenew Can you clarify which door smells of seawater and which door is the exit? It seems that the description was vague enough that it's throwing people off and I don't know whether or not that's deliberate on your part.
 
Can you clarify which door smells of seawater and which door is the exit? It seems that the description was vague enough that it's throwing people off and I don't know whether or not that's deliberate on your part.
...Yeah, that could work too.

Don't say anything if it's intentional though. Because that's some mega-brain Pluto bullshit.

But if it isn't, then clarification would be nice.

Although saying it. Remember.
BOTH doors are exits.

What kind of exits they are differs. Which is the problem. It's mentioned in the chapter.
 
This is yet another coin flip.

Capone is a surprisingly decent guy after getting hit with that Ayin Shock Therapy Special! by Sieghart. He just needs to understand how to not be a dick head and he can tell Wympe otherwise.

He's Wympe junior after all. I'm sure she can at least pull up enough will to be nice in front of him. Since Wympe is apparently the grunt in the office based on Sieghart's words.
Their only interactions so far is one conversation, so they are essentially strangers. It's not really just a matter of someone being nice to you, but also a matter of trust and familiarity. Does Capone know Wympe well enough you to find the right words that could pick her up? He's not Sieg sadly, so I won't count on it.

It could be a coin toss, but if it is, it's weighed against us.
 
Does Capone know Wympe well enough you to find the right words that could pick her up? He's not Sieg sadly, so I won't count on it.

It could be a coin toss, but if it is, it's weighed against us.
That is true. But...

Ah, there are so many goddamn unknowns. Again.

WYMPE WHY IS YOUR MIND SUCH A MESS?! THIS IS EVEN MORE CONFUSING THAN AYIN'S 5 TIME-SPLIT PERSONALITIES!
 
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