its another to get someone entirely uninterested in working with anyone else or even communicating basic things to work with you
Again...have you seen the dickheads that work with Sieg? Most of them would fit that description if you first met them without having something they need.

But then again, it is entirely dependent on how thenew do it.

I certainly didn't expect Capone to turn around and be our ally for real for real. So who knows?
 
Alfonso is again more of a stretch but the man loved Garcia and you could make the case that the Stultifera is basically a piece of art.

I'd say you could call Alfonso being so gay for Garcia itself an art form. Or at least that's my humble interpretation.

Sieg can probably talk around to Skadi but I wouldn't expect us to become all buddy buddy with her.
 
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I'm kinda just rambling here so take everything with a grain of salt, but arts have been very pervasive in Arknights side stories and reading through Lingering Echoes has me wanting to share my thoughts.
Everything you said make sense and somewhat line up, so no worries. Arknights do put a great important in arts and in story some characters theorized that there is a connection between Arts and the arts. So for the closest things to God in the Arknights world having a connection to arts make sense. For Ling, as Netzach said, arts is inseparable from alcohol. I think we already knew that one of the brother was into cooking before the cooking manga, because I knew there was before it. But yeah, Alfonso is a stretch since I think is willpower rather than the arts.

Because distortion is a complete body overhaul and turning you into a Light spawn. With very varied abilities.

The effects of a distortion entirely depend upon what is the reason for that distortion. So it would be better to rely on a different source of cure, like Sieg's Light abilities, rather than seeking to distort Wympe outright.
I don't think it overhaul the body so much as distort the body, I might be wrong, but in LoR the Distortion seems to used the original body as a base rather than completely changing it. Roland see a Distortion of one of the person he wronged in the past and went "Mmm, he seems familiar." So if Wympe distort it might be using her now Seaborn cells as a base instead of reverting it back to what it was before, because Roland also distorted and his augmentation isn't gone (I think). And for abilities, I concede on that front, but it's too... unreliable, it like staring into the void and going "Yep, I can see a clock" when you can't. It also run the risk of giving the Seaborn's hivemind a dangerous weapon... On Sieg's Light abilities, so far there's nothing suggest he can do anything more than create weapon, along with that he isn't Angela or Carmen.

That aside, seems like we'll arrive at the very start of Under Tides since Gladiia just arrived. We'll probably arrive at the same time as Skadi, but she has the social skills of a literal fish so chances are Sieg won't really be able to work with her.
Skadi? Don't you mean wandering musician?
 
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She's just a silly little girl, wandering about, dancing a tiny jig, no big sword in that huge case of mine Inquisitor, oh no no...
 
completely changing it
Nope. Again. It entirely depends on what kind of shit you get when you are distorted. Some Distortion does look similar, for example, Argalia himself changes very little.

But then some turn you into a giant bronze angel, with fucking magma for blood (See true Distorted Ensemble Philip). Or a literal type writer machine that leaks eroding Acid for blood (See Distorted Yan).

It's an option that is entirely up to the author on what he chooses to give you. It's basically a [STAND] ability.

You just take them at face value and accept them. If they can overcome the seaborn cells? Then they can.

If they can't? Then they can't.

Until thenew shows us how they are, trying to write it off isn't something really productive.

It's like trying to predict what Capone would've turned into. I personally believed in some kind of cat demon.

But nope, he turned into an Eternal Meal offshoot.
 
Again...have you seen the dickheads that work with Sieg? Most of them would fit that description if you first met them without having something they need.

But then again, it is entirely dependent on how thenew do it.

I certainly didn't expect Capone to turn around and be our ally for real for real. So who knows?
I have to imagine turbulence office is partly as willing to work with sieg because theyve known him for ages. When someone's your boss - and a pretty damn good boss - for multiple years you're gonna get some sort of working relationship at the least. the thing is, skadi hasn't known sieg for years. skadi doesn't know sieg at all. I don't think she'll be so uncooperative she'll ignore us entirely, but actual teamwork beyond the bare minimum? doubtful.
 
Until thenew shows us how they are, trying to write it off isn't something really productive.

True enough, but I cannot help of think of the risks, we know how dangerous the seaborn are. So the idea of possibly giving them anything is a dangerous prospect. Wympe distorting and getting to the Seaborn's hivemind? Possibly more powerful Seaborn in the future. Wympe's gaining an E.G.O and getting to the Seaborn's hivemind? Possibly Seaborn wielding said E.G.O. Is probably UNFOUNDED worries, but it's worries nonetheless.

Arabella is fine with how much control she have on her own body. But there isn't a doubt in my mind that she can be overwhelm and turn into one if the Seaborn decided to put in all their effort in assimilating her.
 
Eh. I personally wouldn't put too much stock into it.

You can be worried about hypothetical worst-case scenarios where everything went right for the bad guys. But that is fairly pointless in the face of the will to change.

As the GREAT FOUNDER of the Ayin fan club said it best.

"Have faith."
"Is there a way to predict what Distortions would be without being unprepared?"
"What is the optimal choice? What options should I take for the best ending?"
"Is that option truly the best? Does the perfect choice exist at all?"
"In this vast void of life, the only compass one can rely on is faith."
"Without faith, you cannot proceed; even if there is a way."
-Hokma Balls, the #1 Ayin fan, 9:5.
 
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Nope. Again. It entirely depends on what kind of shit you get when you are distorted. Some Distortion does look similar, for example, Argalia himself changes very little.

I am not sure why you keep insisting that pre-Light Argalia was a Distortion. There's literally no proof of this.

You just take them at face value and accept them. If they can overcome the seaborn cells? Then they can.

Actually, how do Seaborn corruption/Seaborn evolution work? Is it designed or is it just vastly accelerated compared to normal organisms?

If it's the former, it's known that Light bullshit like Distortions and the Library is black boxed somehow that a T-Corp 'causality detector' couldn't observe their composition or the underlying causes, only their effects on the world. It's how the Zwei were able to connect the Library and the Distortion Phenomenon as related, they're both black boxed like that. So that might slow them down on adapting against the Light.
 
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I am not sure why you keep insisting that pre-Light Argalia was a Distortion. There's literally no proof of this.
pre-light and post-light argalia are recognizably the same person. I think thats what they meant?

Is it designed or is it just vastly accelerated compared to normal organisms?

there are seaborn enemies that shoot harpoons at you, presumably adapted from fishers trying to harpoon them mistaking them for normal fish, if that helps
 
I am not sure why you keep insisting that pre-Light Argalia was a Distortion. There's literally no proof of this.
I believe the guy is 100% a distortion simply based on the fact that he is literally working as Carmen's main pawn. There is absolutely no way. Someone as balls to the walls insane as Argalia isn't a Distortion.

It's difficult to even think of him as a normal person. Because even the cannibals in District 23 are saner than him. The fact that his "distorted" self looks basically the same as normal Argalia makes it worse.

Of course. If you want me to change it to be more in line, the example I could make is either Elena, who is a bloodfiend which we can already see is immune to the distortion based on Arabella, or Eileen first form, who is, for the most part, a semi-normal human being.

There are also a couple of others, like Oswald, and Pluto. Who are all for the most part very human-like.

Actually, how do Seaborn corruption/Seaborn evolution work? Is it designed or is it just vastly accelerated compared to normal organisms?
Based on what people are saying. I think it is both. One part arm race and one part evolutionary changes.

The normal evolution methods are throwing things to the walls and seeing what sticks, which is grossly ineffective, or merely changing to match one's environment, i.e the fastest one lives, which is a bit more effective. Usually taken over multiple generations or centuries. But shorten it to weeks or months or something. More similar to mutations than genuine evolutions, if not for the next part.

They have a tyranid/zerg hivemind of a sort, which means they can actually design and focus their resources on the evolutionary paths which have the most potential in their eyes, focusing on things they did learn and copying them, all while also improving them at the same time.
 
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I believe the guy is 100% a distortion simply based on the fact that he is literally working as Carmen's main pawn. There is absolutely no way. Someone as balls to the walls insane as Argalia isn't a Distortion.
is meow a distortion? Im pretty sure him being batshit insane is moreso a combination of him being affected by the pianist and also losing his sister to said pianist. Just because people are wack as hell doesnt make them distorted.
 
Im pretty sure him being batshit insane is moreso a combination of him being affected by the pianist and also losing his sister to said pianist.
The main thing with him is Carmen. This is what makes it hard for me to see him as anything but a Distortion.

Carmen is on his shoulder 24/7 and he listens to everything she said. By all means, he should be a 100% Distortion.

He's too weird to just be an average maniac. He got that advanced Distortion maniac energy to him.

But we are going off-topic. I've already given more examples of Distortions that are human-like. There really isn't a need to keep sticking to Argalia anymore.
 
Actually, how do Seaborn corruption/Seaborn evolution work? Is it designed or is it just vastly accelerated compared to normal organisms?
I cannot wholly answer this with confidence, but I can tell you what I do know. The first line here from Skalter said they will eventually be able to swim through the air, which seems to be confirm in IS3 where one of the CG where it said they fuck off to SPACE


Carmen is on his shoulder 24/7 and he listens to everything she said. By all means, he should be a 100% Distortion.

He's too weird to just be an average maniac. He got that advanced Distortion maniac energy to him.
Oswald said Philip was giving a similar smells as himself after/during Distorion, Argalia then make a the same statement about the Index Proxy, if Argalia is a Distortion, then does that make the Proxies Distortion as well?


Edit: Also Highmore's statement


she tells the doctor that she feels instinctively terrified of how the doctor can control things around them. she thinks that the doctor can make even the sea terrors understand what fear is
 
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Oswald said Philip was giving a similar smells as himself after/during Distorion, Argalia then make a the same statement about the Index Proxy, if Argalia is a Distortion, then does that make the Proxies Distortion as well?
That is one interesting thing about the proxies. I believe the more correct way to look at them, is that the Proxies are highly light-infused due to their strong faith in the prescripts.

The smell is supposedly Light related anyhow. So it's usually that when they say someone is smelly.

Even Abnormalities would smell I believe.

Moving back to the main topic again.
swim through the air, which seems to be confirm in IS3 where one of the CG where it said they fuck off to SPACE
This...really isn't that impressive. As those are just adaptations of already existing technology.

Unless they are something like the TYPEMOON's Ultimate One's type of "Swimming" through the air and "flying" in space.
 
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Actually, how do Seaborn corruption/Seaborn evolution work? Is it designed or is it just vastly accelerated compared to normal organisms?

Seaborn descend from some ancient super god organism. When faced with a new situation a seaborn has a degree of adaptability it can employ to handle the current threat however this is limited. Death is not the end. Dead seaborn can be consumed by living seaborn and insanteously acquire the useful adaptations that their dead breathren faced for a power-up. Skadi after killing and absorbing pieces of Ishar-Mla has acquired her Ishar-Mla the gods abilities to a degree though dormant. A lower seaborn consumed a cultist and instanteously evolved to a near apex state. When other seaborn characters bit it, these traits were going to be passed to them if they weren't killed. Advanced seaborn are able to reproduce and pass on useful traits and continuing the cycle Or die and be consumed by their kin also passing down their traits. Given any obstacle even conceptual if enough seaborn die to it and are consumed they will find an adaptation that will bypass it as a natural process.

Then there are the gods or hyper intelligences behind the seaborn. They can direct the evolution and hive along certain lines of their hive to achieve certain goals. Some examples can be evolving toward a language capability for surface dwellers though we aren't sure how it is first started in this place Or what the spark is since many parts of seaborn biology are a mystery.

what happens then if an individual who is not part of the seaborn family intakes seaborn cells is unclear the infection mechanism. This part here is more speculation. It seems like since Seaborn cells are meant to pass their traits to their consumer which is vastly useful for the seaborn allowing other seaborn to instantaneously power up Quickly along the hive. Unforutnately for not seaborn these traits of only classifying things as kin family, and not kin food is not good. This is a big problem even for people more stably modified like the Abyss Hunters and is why they have night guards to kill any of their fellow hunters who turn seaborn and start eating other Aegir because they cease recognizing their fellow people as Kin.
 
Thank you for explaining it! I couldn't remember anything on how they work other than some fact of how far they can go. Like defeating The Emperor's Blades (Demon infused motherfucker, I can't really say how strong they are but think of them as like Claws I guess) in less than a day and seemingly eventually overtaking the Feranmut. Though I feel like I should have remember them evolving by eating as well, it literally happened right in front of me and it's the most common trope for this type of thing.
 
Thank you for explaining it! I couldn't remember anything on how they work other than some fact of how far they can go. Like defeating The Emperor's Blades (Demon infused motherfucker, I can't really say how strong they are but think of them as like Claws I guess) in less than a day and seemingly eventually overtaking the Feranmut. Though I feel like I should have remember them evolving by eating as well, it literally happened right in front of me and it's the most common trope for this type of thing.
while pursuer was apparently a strong one, they had the ability to place down permanent territory using demonic powers that absolutely nothing can survive in. It massively debuffs all your operators and they have a special attack that force-retreats anyone inside, no save- immortality effects mean nothing. the seaborn managed to adapt to something that is supposed to be completely unsurvivable, given - what, a few months of constant attempts, guided by ishar-mla?
 
Actually, how do Seaborn corruption/Seaborn evolution work? Is it designed or is it just vastly accelerated compared to normal organisms?
I believe there's more evidence pointing towards Seaborn evolution being designed. If it was vastly accelerated natural evolution, we'd see more variety in adaptations and their effectiveness against new threats, but that doesn't really seem to be the case since the Seaborn are fairly uniform. It fits thematically with their "death of individual expression" thing too.

As for Seaborn corruption, the Seaborn never truly die. Their bodies will cease functioning and devolve into a breathing mass of muscle fibers.

Skadi the Corrupting Heart Archive File 3 said:
The more frightening thing is that the somatic cells of these lifeforms are constantly mutating, cleverly avoiding deterioration and death. Does this surprise you? Neutral theory and genetic drift are a joke to them, heredity becomes part of the foundation of an individual's development, and the fundamental concept of genes passing from parents to offspring is shattered... Even in the absence of nutrients, this process can continue for a very long time.

Considering the physiology of the Seaborn and how their cells continue to mutate even upon "death", consuming their flesh likely means those cells develop like a cancer inside someone, replacing human cells with more of itself. We can see it with how Alfonso's arm was transformed and had a mind of its own, while Garcia just lost his human form entirely after they had nothing but Seaborn to eat for god knows how long, along with some Cultists who transformed into Sea Terrors instead. Interesting point about Alfonso however, was that he visibly looked younger than when he got lost in sea.
 
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Roland see a Distortion of one of the person he wronged in the past and went "Mmm, he seems familiar."
The source? During the WARP arc, he doesn't even recognize Elena or Puppeteer.
I don't think it overhaul the body so much as distort the body, I might be wrong, but in LoR the Distortion seems to used the original body as a base rather than completely changing it.
We can dispute about the whole body, but judging by E.G.O. then the brain in one form or another (The Crying Children) may remain.
 
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IMHO biggest problem with not-yet-Seaborn is not mutagenic properties of the flesh, but constant pressure of greater hivemind on the psyche, which also make said mutagenic properties worse as they in part control them.

So one solution could be creating your own hivemind that values independency with Mizuki in charge as he's closest to Seaborn God without going dum-dum consume&procreate Seaborn bullshit. Skadi is even closer, but if she will go that way it would be more or less "eat everything my children, eat everything" Ishar-Mla MK2 and so non-viable.
 
IMHO biggest problem with not-yet-Seaborn is not mutagenic properties of the flesh, but constant pressure of greater hivemind on the psyche, which also make said mutagenic properties worse as they in part control them.

So one solution could be creating your own hivemind that values independency with Mizuki in charge as he's closest to Seaborn God without going dum-dum consume&procreate Seaborn bullshit. Skadi is even closer, but if she will go that way it would be more or less "eat everything my children, eat everything" Ishar-Mla MK2 and so non-viable.
Mizuki needed to fuse with the Creeping Bough to become a Seaborn God, and even then Mizuki seems to still be connected to the original hivemind but is able to make his own choices.
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There's also the issues of how are we going to do that in like what a short span of time.
 
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Mizuki needed to fuse with the Creeping Bough to become a Seaborn God, and even then Mizuki seems to still be connected to the original hivemind but is able to make his own choices.
Mizuki need to fuse with something to take charge of already existing and very massive Seaborn hivemind. I'm really not sure that it also means that he at base can't create his own smaller one with willing participants.

There's also the issues of how are we going to do that in like what a short span of time.
It all depends on force of will really. So time is not necessarily that short if "tainted" actively fights "corruption". You just probably need to find your pillar of support for that, like Deepcolor gone "No art? Fuck off, I'm not joining." and it worked for her well enough at least for a time.
 
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