It's Turbin' Time (Library of Ruina Modded/Arknights)

[LucidProp]

I was a bit worried that we're sticking too hard to the stations of canon. Glad to see that we're about to derail this in a really huge way!

Since Fiammetta is here watching over Mostima from the shadows, the Pope's going to hear about what's going to happen in Lungmen. Not sure if that's a good thing or not yet.

I'm tempted to throw our prisoners to the LGD and let them deal with the problem for us, but we're Penguin Logistics and responsible citizen is not in our vocabulary.

[X] Plan: Finball Bowling
-[X] See if the Emperor can contact the Rat King. PL can only be in one place at a time, but the Rat King has a lot of elderly friends who're about to get a visit from rude guests. Inform him of what you've learned.
-[X] Splitting forces against a more numerous foe just opens us to getting overwhelmed with numbers. Plan a route starting from Uncle Tung's place to other potential victims and deal with the Siracusans in each location.

 

[Dustroier]

So It just dawned on me that I have no idea how bad a Distortion would be and my quick wiki dive didn't really help put it into perspective, my only point of reference is Texas being classified as a Grade 2. Which makes me think that Siggy at full power is at my most generous assumption roughly the equivalent of an "average" Silverlance Pegasus or something.

Anyone got any context or examples that I can understand as a complete newcomer to the Project Moon verse?

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Distortions can vary vastly in terms of power/danger. On the lower end of the scale you have a Human-eating Sandwich monster, which could barely kill 10 or so people before being taken down. On the highest end of the scale you have monstrosities like the Pianist, which killed hundreds of thousands of people in a massive radius, including many grade 1 fixers, before being killed by the Black Silence.

 

[love love utau]

I was a bit worried that we're sticking too hard to the stations of canon. Glad to see that we're about to derail this in a really huge way!

Since Fiammetta is here watching over Mostima from the shadows, the Pope's going to hear about what's going to happen in Lungmen. Not sure if that's a good thing or not yet.

I'm tempted to throw our prisoners to the LGD and let them deal with the problem for us, but we're Penguin Logistics and responsible citizen is not in our vocabulary.

[X] Plan: Finball Bowling
-[X] See if the Emperor can contact the Rat King. PL can only be in one place at a time, but the Rat King has a lot of elderly friends who're about to get a visit from rude guests. Inform him of what you've learned.
-[X] Splitting forces against a more numerous foe just opens us to getting overwhelmed with numbers. Plan a route starting from Uncle Tung's place to other potential victims and deal with the Siracusans in each location.

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this is a good plan however its fatal flaw is that it does not imply that we are going to find oats

we must also find oats it is imperative that we find oats it is important to sieghart's character and a necessity for survival
if sieghart does not find oats it is out of character for him

i WILL change my vote to this if this plan includes oats

 

[kaillll]

So It just dawned on me that I have no idea how bad a Distortion would be and my quick wiki dive didn't really help put it into perspective, my only point of reference is Texas being classified as a Grade 2. Which makes me think that Siggy at full power is at my most generous assumption roughly the equivalent of an "average" Silverlance Pegasus or something.

Anyone got any context or examples that I can understand as a complete newcomer to the Project Moon verse?

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although distortion maybe differently on power levels, Distortion in most case is extreamly destructive monsters, Prime example being the crying children, Because it's surprise materialize in a district where I forgot about, about 300,000 or 800,000 people died Before liu Association knock the thing down.
But not all distortion are monsters that powerful. They might be very annoying to deal with because they are tricksters and clowns, Osward the 8 o'clock circus being another prime example.
Or tanya, She is just raw strength that matches Geburas strength, Which is a swing and a district is leveled(In story, not in gameplay)
But no matter what they are or how tricky to deal with, they all have one thing in common.
Distortion are the monsters of the mind. They are the humans believe the false truth, they refuse to be accountable for their own action they have chose to push the blame on others.
They believe they are the victim, the innocence and everyone around them, the world at large is accountable for their downfall.

 

[LucidProp]

this is a good plan however its fatal flaw is that it does not imply that we are going to find oats

we must also find oats it is imperative that we find oats it is important to sieghart's character and a necessity for survival
if sieghart does not find oats it is out of character for him

i WILL change my vote to this if this plan includes oats

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Finding and consuming oats is obviously a automatic action! It's like breathing to Sieg!

 

[BennYthehitman]

Anyone got any context or examples that I can understand as a complete newcomer to the Project Moon verse?

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There's no easy answer since Distortions can vary wildly in what they can do. The closest Arknights comparison I can imagine are the Feranmuts. You can have ones with more straightforward powers like Nian and her heating ability as part of her smithing domain, more esoteric ones like Dusk and her ability to trap people in paintings and of course the ones with a lot of raw power like a unified Sui. It's basically up to the author on whether they feel like depopulating all of Lungmen or 'just' a handful of people.

 

[kaillll]

hmm, If I have to make a comparison, Anyone in The blue reverberation gang( A bunch of distortion using powers of friendship to fuck with the main protagonist) matches Talulah And abyss hunters In terms of pure destruction power(Maybe not osward and Ellen, they mostly use minions and mind fuckery)
And some of them is even better at mind fuckery than the deathless black snake.

 

[OldClueless]

[X] Plan: Finball Bowling

 

[questioningmeme]

For the distortions.

The level of power varies a lot. As someone said, they can vary from a sentient evil sandwich to an apocalyptic monster.

The Crying Children example Kailll give is one example of the apocalyptic type, killing upward of 80,000 people before being stopped by basically a PMC group who specializes in all-out warfare with one of the stronger "fixer" in verse. That guy is basically a floating death laser array that turns you into very finely cooked ash.

There are also other ones, like Will of The City, the Pianist, Pluto, The Blood Red Night, and the likely strongest one we've seen so far, Gone Angels. But those are very spoilery.

Their abilities are usually related to their regrets and ambitions. General themes also come into play.

For example, if you are a guy who REALLY likes machineguns, and you distort, if your selfishness wanted to kill people with your guns, while the reason you distorted in the first place is because of the same selfishness getting people you actually liked/loved killed, you will find yourself in a body similar to this, with around the same amount of bullshit fire power involved.


However, so far there haven't been any gun nuts in the City distorting yet. The only range combatant distortion is the one I mentioned, the Crying Children.

Capone distorting would be really interesting, since his main tool is a crossbow.

 

[thenew]

For the distortions.

The level of power varies a lot. As someone said, they can vary from a sentient evil sandwich to an apocalyptic monster.

The Crying Children example Kailll give is one example of the apocalyptic type, killing upward of 80,000 people before being stopped by basically a PMC group who specializes in all-out warfare with one of the stronger "fixer" in verse. That guy is basically a floating death laser array that turns you into very finely cooked ash.

There are also other ones, like Will of The City, the Pianist, Pluto, The Blood Red Night, and the likely strongest one we've seen so far, Gone Angels. But those are very spoilery.

Their abilities are usually related to their regrets and ambitions. General themes also come into play.

For example, if you are a guy who REALLY likes machineguns, and you distort, if your selfishness wanted to kill people with your guns, while the reason you distorted in the first place is because of the same selfishness getting people you actually liked/loved killed, you will find yourself in a body similar to this, with around the same amount of bullshit fire power involved.


However, so far there haven't been any gun nuts in the City distorting yet. The only range combatant distortion is the one I mentioned, the Crying Children.

Capone distorting would be really interesting, since his main tool is a crossbow.

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We do, in fact, have a gun-based Distortion: the Marksman of the Mist, seen in Distortion Detective. He apparently has a head made of rifle scope lens, and his bullets inflict psychological damage. What made him distort is unknown (as he got ganked by Vespa Crabro), though.

 

[questioningmeme]

Huh. Nice.

But yeah. Generally speaking, Distortions' appearances and powers are heavily reliant on contextual circumstances. Capone could turn into a giant half rat half cat with arrows for hands for all we know.

 

[kaillll]

hmm, If I have to make a prediction carmen will latch onto the concept of the family and survival of the fittest for this time.
The last gang member she distorted is the lone wolf and this one. Well, this one will be the head of the pack.
And also maybe this betrayal against the family, The head of the pack getting hunted like a maddog.

 

[questioningmeme]

Well, this one will be the head of the pack

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Unlikely.

Capone is a lot more bitchless than Tanya. He's more likely to become something like the Puppeteer or The Circus than "a leader of a pack" like the Blue Reverberation.

 

[Flying Llama]

For the distortions.

The level of power varies a lot. As someone said, they can vary from a sentient evil sandwich to an apocalyptic monster.

The Crying Children example Kailll give is one example of the apocalyptic type, killing upward of 80,000 people before being stopped by basically a PMC group who specializes in all-out warfare with one of the stronger "fixer" in verse. That guy is basically a floating death laser array that turns you into very finely cooked ash.

There are also other ones, like Will of The City, the Pianist, Pluto, The Blood Red Night, and the likely strongest one we've seen so far, Gone Angels. But those are very spoilery.

Their abilities are usually related to their regrets and ambitions. General themes also come into play.

For example, if you are a guy who REALLY likes machineguns, and you distort, if your selfishness wanted to kill people with your guns, while the reason you distorted in the first place is because of the same selfishness getting people you actually liked/loved killed, you will find yourself in a body similar to this, with around the same amount of bullshit fire power involved.

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hmm okay, interesting, but uhh.. 80,000 people isn't anywhere near as bad as the Unified Sui example someone else put forwards, like that's the difference between 3-5 Emperor Blade's having an early holiday and one of the most powerful countries on Terra having to kamikaze 90%+ of their millitary into a Dragon God. So i'm still really confused but I think I got the gist of it.

 

[questioningmeme]

hmm okay, interesting, but uhh.. 80,000 people isn't anywhere near as bad as the Unified Sui example someone else put forwards, like that's the difference between 3-5 Emperor Blade's having an early holiday and one of the most powerful countries on Terra having to kamikaze 90%+ of their millitary into a Dragon God. So i'm still really confused but I think I got the gist of it.

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The difference is this.

Killing 80,000 people in a HEAVILY defended area is completely different from killing 300,000 people who are more or less just average citizens.

 

[drearyArchon]

hmm okay, interesting, but uhh.. 80,000 people isn't anywhere near as bad as the Unified Sui example someone else put forwards, like that's the difference between 3-5 Emperor Blade's having an early holiday and one of the most powerful countries on Terra having to kamikaze 90%+ of their millitary into a Dragon God. So i'm still really confused but I think I got the gist of it.

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A better measuring stick would probably be the Pianist, then. The Crying Children is only more serious in that it attacked one of the supposedly safe Nests, where the employees of the Megacorps that control the City live.

The Pianist manifested in the Backstreets, where the poor people lived, but even then it was considered a major event. In the brief time that it was alive, killed 300,000 people, many of which were incorporated into its massive piano made of corpses. Those close enough to hear him but not die were driven into mad cultists who seek to recreate his music by killing people and using their tendons as instruments.

Edit: It should be noted that, unlike Feranmuts / Arknights' gods, Distortions are not immortal. The Pianist had its head and hands lopped off and it died, which should make whatever Capone turns into much more manageable.

Abnormalities are capable of about the same or even greater destruction than the Distortions (e.g. The Silent Orchestra is basically a stronger version of the Pianist) and are all able to revive upon death. They make a better comparison to Feranmuts, especially since one of them is literally the anti-christ.

 

[Flying Llama]

A better measuring stick would probably be the Pianist, then. The Crying Children is only more serious in that it attacked one of the supposedly safe Nests, where the employees of the Megacorps that control the City live.

The Pianist manifested in the Backstreets, where the poor people lived, but even then it was considered a major event. In the brief time that it was alive, killed 300,000 people, many of which were incorporated into its massive piano made of corpses. Those close enough to hear him but not die were driven into mad cultists who seek to recreate his music by killing people and using their tendons as instruments.

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Alright, still less Sui though and more a really bad Catastrophe in an unfortunate place then.

 

[kaillll]

well, its bad.
One, in lore, they would damage your psyche just by looking at them, So if you don't have some way to deal with mental damage, then you're gonna go mad pretty fast.
two, they are a bunch of very difficult to deal with mother fucker that might kill you in one shot if you don't follow their rules.
three, Crying children was attacking a nest which is heavily guarded Because is basically like where all the rich people live. So it's going to be heavily guarded to death.
And he still killed 80.000 Before liu, A fixer association that do war, Arrived.
So yeah, if he distort into a high end distortion, is gonna suck. If he doesn't it's still gonna suck because at least a street is gonna be gone, because his one move.
also: There is that one distortion that can basically do anything he wants, as long as it is written on a contract, call Yesterdays promise, What he did is written in, I think Dawn offices books and it was mentioned in their story.

 

[drearyArchon]

Yesterday's Promise / Pluto can't just do whatever he wants with his magic, but it's probably hard to tell that from the outside looking in. From the Artbook:

He wields magic through obligation and debt of contracts. The capacity of his magic is proportional to the complexity of the obligations and the substance of the price; a highly intricate contract can grant him nearly omnipotent powers. He can manipulate reality using the other party's willingness to keep their voluntary promise and desire for wishes to come true as resources.

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[kaillll]

That's what I stated as long as it was written on a contract.
But he do act like the magic man of the group, just pulling everything out of his ass to whatever sir blue sicko wants.

 

[Flying Llama]

Almost forgot to vote.

[X] Plan: Finball Bowling
-[X] See if the Emperor can contact the Rat King. PL can only be in one place at a time, but the Rat King has a lot of elderly friends who're about to get a visit from rude guests. Inform him of what you've learned.
-[X] Splitting forces against a more numerous foe just opens us to getting overwhelmed with numbers. Plan a route starting from Uncle Tung's place to other potential victims and deal with the Siracusans in each location.

 

[Old Vagrant]

So It just dawned on me that I have no idea how bad a Distortion would be and my quick wiki dive didn't really help put it into perspective, my only point of reference is Texas being classified as a Grade 2. Which makes me think that Siggy at full power is at my most generous assumption roughly the equivalent of an "average" Silverlance Pegasus or something.

Anyone got any context or examples that I can understand as a complete newcomer to the Project Moon verse?

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People have been talking about how bad a distorting is but let me elaborate on the power scaling of the Project Moon Verse. While I am not sure what a Silverlance Pegasus can do I can elaborate on what a colored fixer can do. Colored fixers are basically grade 1 fixers who are strong enough to need their own categorization, similar to Taboo Hunters. While colors to often vary in strength they are all without a doubt the best of the best. Distortions like The Pianist and The Crying Children may be more destructive than a colored fixer, they are in no way stronger as colors can match up to them and even kill them. A prime example being The Pianist who leveled a massive part of a District's Backstreets, was killed by The Black Silence. To go back around to what a color is capable of, even a wounded one like Seig would probably be amongst the stronger people as they are basically the peak of what a human can reach in the city through technological enhancement, mastery of one's skills and experience through countess battles. The best raw example we've seen of what a Color can casually do is from Leviathan which amounts to The Purple Tear leveling a building with what amounts to a flick of her wrist.


Though when it comes to a quest like this you do sort of have to do some balancing when it comes to characters, especially crossover ones since powerlevels tend to vary drastically. Sadly I can't really mention people comparable in arknights since I don't know much about it.

 

[Flying Llama]

People have been talking about how bad a distorting is but let me elaborate on the power scaling of the Project Moon Verse. While I am not sure what a Silverlance Pegasus can do I can elaborate on what a colored fixer can do. Colored fixers are basically grade 1 fixers who are strong enough to need their own categorization, similar to Taboo Hunters. While colors to often vary in strength they are all without a doubt the best of the best. Distortions like The Pianist and The Crying Children may be more destructive than a colored fixer, they are in no way stronger as colors can match up to them and even kill them. A prime example being The Pianist who leveled a massive part of a District's Backstreets, was killed by The Black Silence. To go back around to what a color is capable of, even a wounded one like Seig would probably be amongst the stronger people as they are basically the peak of what a human can reach in the city through technological enhancement, mastery of one's skills and experience through countess battles. The best raw example we've seen of what a Color can casually do is from Leviathan which amounts to The Purple Tear leveling a building with what amounts to a flick of her wrist.


Though when it comes to a quest like this you do sort of have to do some balancing when it comes to characters, especially crossover ones since powerlevels tend to vary drastically. Sadly I can't really mention people comparable in arknights since I don't know much about it.

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From this and what i've gathered from the others the settings are fairly decently matched then, though Arknights power levels are sometimes frustratingly vague and ill-defined. Fucking up a building like that is about what Rosmontis did that one time in chapter 7 (Psychic Catgirl that throws around massive slabs of metal as weapons) who is considered very high-tier, but not quite on the level of the true monsters running around.
To bring back my Silverlance Pegasus comparison if i'm remembering correctly (which I very well might not be) the best examples we have are 1. Armorless Union goons scared that if they get noticed the Pegasi would just throw a spear through a building to kill em, and 2. a Silverlance stating that they would only need 3 of them to rinse a group of highly trained Armorless Union Assassins + the 4th(maybe) strongest assassin in the Union.

The thing about Arknights is that there are entire squads of high-tier people that are at the beck and call of various nations and factions, so there's both quantity and quality, but the gap between high-tier and higher-tier is absolutely monstrous, A single Emperor's Blade (arguably stronger but less numerous than the average Silverlance Pegasi, Special Forces vs Supersoldiers essentially) is terrifying, but Patriot, even half-dead from Oripathy and using outdated equipment scares off 3 just by showing up and tells them to bring more and when he's basically a dead man walking faces off against the previously mentioned Rosmontis, Amiya (MC) and Kal'tsit who are all powerhouses in their own right.

And the gap from Patriot and the "Greater-Scope Threats" like Ishar-Mla, The Demons, The Seaborn and Sui is even more whack. Sui basically just kills an entire country if it ever comes back, whether directly or through weakening it enough that it collapses in on it's own weight or opportunistic neighbors take the chance, and that's basically the strongest singular being we know of, with Ishar-Mla being presumably around the same level or maybe even stronger.
That and the variety of Arts and non-Arts shenanigans can get pretty out there.

 

[MiracleGrow]

Sarkaz 'leaders' also tend to have weird powers attached to them that breaks the usual power scaling. Like Shining and her brother being able to straight up bring people back alive.

Key thing, as a Color we are competitive with everyone. Abyssal Hunters would be hard fights, Sarkaz Leaders would be brutal to fight. It's best to not think to hard on power scaling. Colors are built fucking different for a reason. We probably have more combat experience than literal 1000 year old gods you can find in this setting. Might not be able to have the sheer natural power some people have in this setting. But becoming a Color is basically being crowned as a king of violence itself in the city. And we all know how fucked up the city is.

 

[questioningmeme]

And if there ever is a need for a power up.

Sieghart's Steel Will special move can usually bridge the gap.