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It's Turbin' Time (Library of Ruina Modded/Arknights)

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[] Accept its bargain

Jamie, Andoian and Sona deserve to live. Jamie was desperate, as anyone in his position would, while Andoian and Sona were forced into this against their will.

This might piss the Librarians off when they inevitably discover this, but I think it's worth it to save a few innocent lives.

That, and having the Plague Doctor on our side, even if it's not at full power, will be pretty useful for combating whatever Carmen cooks up next.
 
...yeah, despite its lack of remorse I'm also in favour of mercy. For the sake of those who became Apostles without full awareness of what that would involve, if nothing else.
Angela will have to live with an apology if/when it comes to light.
 
If nothing else Angela can probably sympathize with the Plague Doctors to wish to not lose the little amount of freedom he has. She did want freedom for everyone in the Library including the Abnormalities after all.
 
Uuugghh, I really don't wanna deal with either the Plague Doctor or White Night. They're bad business.

...I don't want to condemn Sona forever however. Jamie and Andoain I could live without, but I like Sona too much.

If it were up to me, deny the eternal life offer (reeks of consequences down the line) and maybe accept the deal.

I do wonder though. Abel said that White Night returned to being the Plague Doctor (and thusly having to pick a new twelve again), would destroying Adam as a fragment reverse the three of them being apostles? I'm not suggesting to go through with that idea at the moment but I am curious if that's how it would work.

Adam is an obstinate prick. Honestly, if we could, I would sacrifice him to reset the slate on PD/WN and un-apostle Jamie, Andoain and Sona in a heartbeat. Though admittedly, he would be of use against Carmen, if we could get him to help.
 
[ ] Accept its bargain

I think giving PD a chance to make a different conclusion to its story then WN is maybe good? I don't know if PD can change but given that Sieg is the Steel Determination, keeping it in his mind is doable and comes with the benefit of up to four to twelve people never dying, as long as it never becomes WN.
 
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"Do you feel any remorse?"

The Plague Doctor considers the question. You gaze upon the scars and lacerations inflicted upon it by the Kuranta's blade, and by your own assault. Its feathers are matted with blood.

"No." it says, after a lengthy silence.
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Y'know, ironically enough, this actually makes me more inclined to give it a chance. You can tell the Plague Doctor both gave the question serious thought, and gave us a completely honest answer, even when it very clearly wants to live and would've benefited from giving Sieghard a fib.

Long-term wise this is gonna cause some problems - the Library's inevitably gonna find out, although our temporary alliance almost certainly would've fallen apart sooner or later anyways. The Plague Doctor is going to find another cause, although perhaps a more benign host than Adam would lead to less tragic results.

Still, it's a hard thing to turn away from a man who begs for mercy, even if he arguably does not deserve it. And certainly, none of the Apostles deserve to die here.

Not to mention the fact that White Night/Plague Doctor are heavily implied to stem from everyone's favoriate disembodied nervous system - AKA, the Voice, which adds in a really cool tie to whatever Sieg ends up doing with them.
 
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I'm somewhat suspicions, it reeks too much like a devil's bargain. No doubt Adam's gonna stowaway too, since he's the reason PD can have Free Will. I'm also against pissing off the Library for no reason.

I'm also not sure how Roland isn't hearing all of this considering Augments and such, but I forgot if Sieg had mentioned any hearing Augments that cloud pick up conversations across a clearing.

But we have Malkuth Reverberation get free will and not just be a living story telling itself over and over again, so I suppose I'm not too against it. Angela would also probably sympathize with PD if she notices a part of him is gone.

Plus, we seem to have a tendency to recruit our antagonists, so why not.

Edit: If we get access to Prophet, Sieg should avoid using it at all costs. I thought he's a lot more resistant than the Sinners, but it seems that just means he could use DC three to four times in a row without Corroding instead of one or two. Also, It'd ring all sorts of alarm bells.
 
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[X] Accept its bargain
-[X] "what is your promise, if it's come in my path maybe I will do it."
—[X] "I think you're confused, you will not die. You don't want to die but I know you guys are unkillable after all you're a story maybe a legend too after this there no True death for you, you just sleep and people true death is when the world forget them, I and them will remember you"
 
I guess Sieg can claim he's an Aegir now, given the shark tail from Dreaming Current seems to be permanent.
Also GL tomorrow in anyone rolling for funny vanguard caprinae
 
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You know, If the abnormality gives itself up willing to us, I don't see why not.
I love how you did the plague doctor... And we are essentially being offered a chance to betray the library's fragile trust for power.
And I'm going to take it
The plauge doctor, being a very good healing option and eventually, god, is really good.
And may I add, As long as we don't reach 12 and they fully turns, The three Apostles before us can retain their individuality and personality, while getting a good goddamn buff.
The only thing we have to do is betray the library on helping them to recover the abnormality, it also means we get to keep the dreaming current since we have its tail so it can come back?
As long as we have a trace of those abnormality, they can return as the idea is not disconnected from this world, I think thats how it works.
Anyway....FINALLY ONE PM QUEST WHERE WE GET WHITENIGHT AS OUR BUDDY?! YESYESYES!
(Off topic but! the CN servers are doing a re-run of IL SIRACUSANO event and I GOT 3 6 STARS WITH THE FREE PULL TICKETS and the event is SO fun )
 
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Gonna be honest I just want Plague Doctor to keep the Apostles alive and nothing else. Sieg probably wouldn't want eternal life or the ability to turn people into Apostles either.
 
Who are we to deny life to another
And who are to deny the birth of an abberant, and give a chance to the apostles
Let a seed be taken and tree bearing new fruit form as it were
Assuming certain details then we are claiming ego gifts before setting them free in a sense potentially, to unleash an abberant influenced by siegart as it were
[] Accept its bargain
-[] "what is your promise, if it's come in my path maybe I will do it."
—[] "I think you're confused, you will not die. You don't want to die but I know you guys are unkillable after all you're a story maybe a legend too after this there no True death for you, you just sleep and people true death is when the world forget them, I and them will remember you"
 
Yeah pretty much when we do accept the vote, just add the caveat we don't care about the immortality bit, I guess?
 
I feel like it's too much of a risk along with an unknown to accept it. Like we're letting PD into Sieg's mind, and PD allowed Adam to used his power because he believed his goal to be worthy, which is helping Carmen. I guess. Even then, PD is like that because he have a human body, would that not become undone if we allowed him in Sieg's mind?
 
Not really certain on this one- on one hand, I don't quite think they deserve to die- on the other hand, I, uh, don't want to deal with White Night. Not unless Ayin shows up with One Sin right now.

I'm leaning more towards just letting the Library take the Plague Doctor and just biting the bullet- I feel like this is going to be leaving a backdoor for Carmen to completely fuck us later on, seeing as White Night is for all intents and purposes, an allegory to her just like how One Sin is to Ayin.

Keeping PD around keeps those three alive but also keeps a Sword of Damocles hanging over our head, so... yeah, leaning towards 'nah, let's not keep it'.
 
Cowards. you all are letting three 6 star units who did nothing wrong die.

and as an abnormality, PD listening to Adam is too normal, because he said it like the end goal is supposed to "Help" people.

remember, PD and Whitenight both did what they did as it is because both believed that it is the best way to achieve their goal of Saving People, saving a selected few and dooming others yes but it is what they viewed as Saving, and if your only goal of existence is be "The Savior for them and to bring new heaven." then Angela locked you up, you aint gonna say no when some rando came along then said they can bust you out and help you bring hope to a new world.

Just like most of the abnos, Whitenight and PD just did what their script says and followed the fastest or I should say the ONLY way of getting that scriped end done, and now with Sieg being here as an alternative and a possible way of PD reflecting on his choices in life, why not?

also, Sieg's body is also a human body, being inside of a steel-like human mind with human emotion and human flesh covering. its the perfect place for PD to reflect on how what he had been doing inflicts more harm then the good saving that few would do!

Come on people, PD is literally giving us themselves on a sliver platter! we need the extra power! we have at least 3 doomsday to fight remember? Dont get cold feet on me now!

We have a perfect out right now, come on!

we just need a good tight leash for the bird.
 
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kaillll said:
remember, PD and Whitenight both did what they did as it is because both believed that it is the best way to achieve their goal of Saving People
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I'm sorry but I don't remember reading anything about WN wanting to save people, I was sure it was an allegory to the anti-christ deceiving people and bringing the end of time. Plague doctor I can understand, but WhiteNight? WhiteNight is selfishness and greed, it's the biggest god complex you can find out there.

As for taking the deal... It bothers me but I will say yes, I don't want Sona to die when she was transformed against her will, and the new PlagueDoctor seems to (perhaps) have the ability to learn what he has done was wrong, to learn to care for all those who are NOT his apostles and... To become different (but perhaps this is just a candy coated dream).
Just, let's make sure to ask OneSin to absolve !WeirdPlagueDoctor of it's evil and sins or something...
 
we just need to make the deal between the devil and sieg REAL tight and loopholeless.
Come on come on~ its gonna be so much funnnn!
 
Docere AcDiscere said:
I'm sorry but I don't remember reading anything about WN wanting to save people, I was sure it was an allegory to the anti-christ deceiving people and bringing the end of time. Plague doctor I can understand, but WhiteNight? WhiteNight is selfishness and greed, it's the biggest god complex you can find out there.
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You misunderstand what is the anti-Christ.

Christ wants to save all, Anti Christ wants to save a selected few and leave all others to die while subverting the position of Son of God, that is why he is Evil, he want to replace God's son which is Christ before the rapture. which is directly in line with what gets you in hell, drifting away from God and follow others teaching.

PD, is a doctor that wants to help people, and wants to bring a selected few that he deemed worthy to a new Eden, a new world, a paradise that will be painless. he is the kindness of the Anti Christ, being a man who indeed wants to help save people.

WN, is the subverting of God's position side of Anti Christ.(Christ is both son of God and God himself, look it up) and, is on a crusade to fight for the coming of rapture so the people believing in him will reach his paradise, yes, he has a god complex, no, he is not all selfish.

The Anti Christ is not the Devil, they are just someone who is no Christ trying to replace Christ by doing Christ's Job.

WN and PD, one in the same, are both doing what they THINK is right. saving the 12 apostles, that is his goal, giving them a paradise of HIS vision after the rapture, giving them new life and healthy body, bring them power and weapons, so they can protect themselves.

the 12 apostles will be saved....the rest? non believers meets death, just like how God do to the non believers at the end of the world.
 
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I wonder, if PD ends up transforming into some kind of aberration, what would his name be?
The prophet?
The saint?
The redeemed?
kaillll said:
You misunderstand what is the anti-Christ.

Christ wants to save all, Anti Christ wants to save a selected few and leave all others to die while subverting the position of Son of God, that is why he is Evil, he want to replace God's son which is Christ before the rapture.

PD, is a doctor that wants to help people, and wants to bring a selected few that he deemed worthy to a new Eden, a new world, a paradise that will be painless. he is the kindness of the Anti Christ, being a man who indeed wants to help save people.

WN, is the subverting of God's position side of Anti Christ.(Christ is both son of God and God himself, look it up) and, is on a crusade to fight for the coming of rapture so the people believing in him will reach his paradise, yes, he has a god complex, no, he is not all selfish.
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I'm catholic, I know what is the anti-christ. Perhaps what you're saying is the anti-christ in other religions, I'll give you that possibility. But from what I studied the anti-christ in Catholicism is a human completely possessed by Satan/Lucifer/The Devil or Whatever name you want to use. That human will be able to make "miracles" that will actually come from the devil's power (since he is an angel, fallen but an angel nonetheless), and his objective is that of deceiving and dooming the biggest amount of humans possible before the end of time. The anti-christ once it appears is against the clock you could say.

And yes, God is the One and Trine: Father, Son, and Holy spirit.
As for the part of the plague doctor wanting to help people, that does seem to be the case in this story, so perhaps I'm the one out of the loop and you're talking about protestantism or something else :V
 
I still feel like we're kicking a hornets nest which can only end badly. An Anti-Christ is still an Anti-Christ, I haven't deal with lawyers but they sound like hell. But if everyone is fine with it I can't really argue.
 
lmao. eh I guess I watched too much online vids.
anyway IDK but thats my understanding of why WN and PD behaves the way they did.
they want to save a selected few, then did it to the extreme.
 
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