Indestructible Spirit (Kancolle AU)

Maximum speed: 45 knots
Maximum range: 13.6 km at 21 knots
Warhead: 375 kg HBX
Overall size: 21" diameter, 288" length (53 cm diameter, 731cm length), 1742 kg total mass.

Versus the Type 93, which was a much larger torpedo, with a 61 cm diameter, and a mass of 2700 kg.

It's a much larger torp overall. In fact, I'd say many of the Type 93's advantages arise from its much greater overall size, especially the range and warhead size advantages.
Let's compare these two to the Type 90 61 cm torpedo, the conventional predecessor of the oxygen torpedo.

In addition to the above figures, Mark 15 speed and range was 5,5 km at 45 knots and 9 km at 33,5 knots intermediate setting.

Type 90 61 cm torpedo:
High speed setting: 7 km at 46 knots
Low speed setting: 16,4 km at 35 knots
Warhead: 375 kg
Overall size: 8.5 m by 61 cm, 2,605 kg mass
Kerosine-air torpedo leaves a wake.

Despite being much larger than the Mark 15, the Japanese only got about 80% more range at 33-35 knots out of their supersize conventional propulsion torpedo. The rest is broadly comparable to the Mark 15.

Compare that to the Type 93 oxygen torpedo:
High speed setting: 20 km at 50 knots (+180% range, +9% speed versus Type 90)
Low speed setting: 40 km at 36 knots (+143% range versus Type 90)
Warhead: 490 kg (+30% versus Type 90)
Overall size: 9 m by 61 cm, 2,700 kg (6% larger and 4% heavier).
Oxygen torpedo is wakeless.

In other words, the advantages were very much not caused by the size of the oxygen torpedo, but by the nature of its propulsion.

We can also compare the Mark 15 with the Type 95 53cm oxygen torpedo for Japanese submarines:

Size (Type 95) 8 m x 53 cm, 1,665 kg versus (Mark 15) 53 cm diameter, 731cm length, 1,742 kg total mass
High speed setting (Type 95) 9 km at 51 knots versus (Mark 15) 4,5 km at 45 knots
Low speed setting (Type 95) 13,1 at 47 knots versus (Mark 15) 12,8 at 26,5 knots
Warhead (Type 95) 405 kg versus (Mark 15) 373 kg.

Oxygen torpedoes rule, no matter their size.
 
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Let's compare these two to the Type 90 61 cm torpedo, the conventional predecessor of the oxygen torpedo.

In addition to the above figures, Mark 15 speed and range was 5,5 km at 45 knots and 9 km at 33,5 knots intermediate setting.

Type 90 61 cm torpedo:
High speed setting: 7 km at 46 knots
Low speed setting: 16,4 km at 35 knots
Warhead: 375 kg
Overall size: 8.5 m by 61 cm, 2,605 kg mass
Kerosine-air torpedo leaves a wake.

Despite being much larger than the Mark 15, the Japanese only got about 80% more range at 33-35 knots out of their supersize conventional propulsion torpedo. The rest is broadly comparable to the Mark 15.

Compare that to the Type 93 oxygen torpedo:
High speed setting: 20 km at 50 knots (+180% range, +9% speed versus Type 90)
Low speed setting: 40 km at 36 knots (+143% range versus Type 90)
Warhead: 490 kg (+30% versus Type 90)
Overall size: 9 m by 61 cm, 2,700 kg (6% larger and 4% heavier).
Oxygen torpedo is wakeless.

In other words, the advantages were very much not caused by the size of the oxygen torpedo, but by the nature of its propulsion.

We can also compare the Mark 15 with the Type 95 53cm oxygen torpedo for Japanese submarines:

Size (Type 95) 8 m x 53 cm, 1,665 kg versus (Mark 15) 53 cm diameter, 731cm length, 1,742 kg total mass
High speed setting (Type 95) 9 km at 51 knots versus (Mark 15) 4,5 km at 45 knots
Low speed setting (Type 95) 13,1 at 47 knots versus (Mark 15) 12,8 at 26,5 knots
Warhead (Type 95) 405 kg versus (Mark 15) 373 kg.

Oxygen torpedoes rule, no matter their size.

Uh, hold on. I never said that there's no advantage to the pure oxygen oxidizer. I said you can't attribute all the advantages of a Type 93 to the pure O2 oxidizer, and the warhead size advantage (Type 90 vs 93) appears to come from that extra half meter it grew in length.

And O2 torps fall laughably short compared to a modern Otto 2 torps. The MK48 has a range of 38 km at 55 knots, and the combustion products take up less room than the monopropellant, meaning no bubbles. Granted, I'm not sure when exactly Otto 2 was invented. But just a reminder that Technology Marches on.

And the Mark 14 is the correct torpedo to compare to the Type 95. The Mark 13 14 15 family are, respectively, air-dropped, sub-launched, and surface ship fired.

Compared to the Mark 15, the Mark 14 is a little faster, a little longer ranged, and a little smaller, with a slightly lighter warhead.
 
Uh, hold on. I never said that there's no advantage to the pure oxygen oxidizer. I said you can't attribute all the advantages of a Type 93 to the pure O2 oxidizer, and the warhead size advantage (Type 90 vs 93) appears to come from that extra half meter it grew in length.

And O2 torps fall laughably short compared to a modern Otto 2 torps. The MK48 has a range of 38 km at 55 knots, and the combustion products take up less room than the monopropellant, meaning no bubbles. Granted, I'm not sure when exactly Otto 2 was invented. But just a reminder that Technology Marches on.

And the Mark 14 is the correct torpedo to compare to the Type 95. The Mark 13 14 15 family are, respectively, air-dropped, sub-launched, and surface ship fired.

Compared to the Mark 15, the Mark 14 is a little faster, a little longer ranged, and a little smaller, with a slightly lighter warhead.


Really, you're comparing the Type 93 to the Mk48? One was designed and deployed almost 90 years ago and at the time, no other navy in the world had anything to compare to it. The other had the benefit of extensive wartime experience, lots of post-war research and development and at least a 40 year leap in technology.

With the range and speed of the Type 93, you can say that the O2 oxidizer made a huge difference, compared to its contemporaries deployed by the US Navy and Royal Navy.
 
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Really, you're comparing the Type 93 to the Mk48? One was designed and deployed almost 90 years ago and at the time, no other navy in the world had anything to compare to it. The other had the benefit of extensive wartime experience, lots of post-war research and development and at least a 40 year leap in technology.

With the range and speed of the Type 93, you can say that the O2 oxidizer made a huge difference, compared to its contemporaries deployed by the US Navy and Royal Navy.

I just cited the MK48 as an example of technology marching on, not as anything resembling a fair comparison to the Type 93.
 
I just cited the MK48 as an example of technology marching on, not as anything resembling a fair comparison to the Type 93.

Let's just say, at the time it was designed and deployed, the Type 93 torpedo was revolutionary. Its size allowed a ship killer warhead, but the O2 oxidizer used in the wet heater turbine engine gave it its extraordinary range and speed. No other navy in the world at the time had anything comparable, and it was devastating in the right hands (see Raizo Tanaka and 2nd Destroyer Squadron).
 
Uh, hold on. I never said that there's no advantage to the pure oxygen oxidizer. I said you can't attribute all the advantages of a Type 93 to the pure O2 oxidizer, and the warhead size advantage (Type 90 vs 93) appears to come from that extra half meter it grew in length.
You did mention especially its range and warhead size being mostly a function of the larger size.

It's range speaks for itself when you compare the ranges of the 53 cm and 61 cm conventional and oxygen torpedoes.

You are right that the 61 cm torpedo grew in size, ~6% in length and ~4% in weight between models, but the warhead grew ~30% so that doesn't quite add up, unless the propulsion section of the Type 90 and the Type 93 was almost exactly the same in size and mass despite being completely different.

And O2 torps fall laughably short compared to a modern Otto 2 torps.
We're talking about WW2 oxygen and conventional torpedoes as Jrandom pointed out.

And the Mark 14 is the correct torpedo to compare to the Type 95. The Mark 13 14 15 family are, respectively, air-dropped, sub-launched, and surface ship fired.
You're focusing on the launch platform now while we are comparing weapons.

The Type 95 was a weapon of 1665 kg and 9 meters length. The Mark 14 was 1388 kg and 6,2 meters long. The Mark 15 was 1742 kg and 7,3 meters long. The closest match to the size and weight of the Type 95 is the Mark 15, not the Mark 14.
 
You did mention especially its range and warhead size being mostly a function of the larger size.

I said range is at least partially a function of larger size, and warhead size is mostly due to larger size.

The Type 95 was a weapon of 1665 kg and 9 meters length. The Mark 14 was 1388 kg and 6,2 meters long. The Mark 15 was 1742 kg and 7,3 meters long. The closest match to the size and weight of the Type 95 is the Mark 15, not the Mark 14.

Actually I'm a big fan of comparing submarine torpedos to other submarine torpedos. Torpedos are in large part designed around the limitations and dis/advantages of their launch platform. Siince there's not as much room on a sub, both navies built smaller submarine torpedos than their surface ship torpedos.

We're talking about WW2 oxygen and conventional torpedoes as Jrandom pointed out.

And as I pointed out, I cited Otto 2 torpedoes as an example of technology marching on, because I see people acting like O2 torpedoes are anything but an antique today.

Yes, the O2 torpedo was a big step forwards in terms of propellant. But like all technologies, there are trade offs. And a lot of people act like just because the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, that magically means the disadvantages disappear. For instance, O2 torpedos are extremely maintenance intensive compared to air-oxidized torpedos.
 
I said range is at least partially a function of larger size, and warhead size is mostly due to larger size.
This does not follow. The 1938 53 cm Type 95 (oxygen) had a warhead of 405 kg (payload of 24%) and a range of 12 km at 45 knots. The 1933 61 cm Type 90 (air) had a warhead of 375 kg (payload of 14%) and a range of 15 km at 35 knots.

The Japanese managed to fit a higher speed, about equal range, and a larger warhead (almost twice as heavy as a percentage) in a smaller torpedo by using an oxygen system.

There are valid arguments against oxygen torpedoes (*), but not that it was their size that made the difference more than anything.

(*) for example, all that extra range is effectively wasted without terminal guidance.

Actually I'm a big fan of comparing submarine torpedos to other submarine torpedos. Torpedos are in large part designed around the limitations and dis/advantages of their launch platform. Siince there's not as much room on a sub, both navies built smaller submarine torpedos than their surface ship torpedos.
Actually, that leaves you comparing the US torpedo with a Japanese torpedo that is 20% heavier and almost half again as large. The Japanese had very different ideas about what should be fitted in subs. That skews your comparison something major.

And as I pointed out, I cited Otto 2 torpedoes as an example of technology marching on, because I see people acting like O2 torpedoes are anything but an antique today.
I'm sorry, I really don't understand what this has to do with WW2 torpedoes. Which we were discussing.
 
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Design on the Type 93 torpedo started in 1928. Over the next seven years, the Imperial navy had ample opportunity to study the pros and cons during its development. It was decided to put it in production and deploy it fleet wide in 1935. Apparently they decided that the advantages outweighed the disadvantages.

This is my speculation on their thinking and its impact on ship construction, fleet battle doctrine and training
  1. Torpedoes have always been the equalizer between larger fleet units and smaller ones
  2. WW1 showed the effectiveness of employing torpedoes, despite their technical limitations
  3. The Type 93, with its large warhead, range and speed gives our smaller units offensive striking power they wouldn't have otherwise.
  4. There are issues of safety with handling the Type 93. We will add curriculum to our torpedo school to train our officers in handling and employing these torpedoes
  5. We will institute extensive training of crews to handle the Type 93s safely and employ them effectively
  6. With this striking power in hand, we will modify our fleet battle doctrine for our light units to fire torpedoes as the opening salvo of any battle
  7. We will add quick reloading facilities to our Special Type destroyers and light cruisers
  8. We will teach that firing multiple spreads of torpedoes is the goal. This not only gets torpedoes off the ship, but gives our light units greater chances to damage or sink the enemy
  9. Yes, carrying the Type 93s is a risk, and we may lose ships over onboard torpedo explosions, We also risk ship loss over magazine hits. A loss is a loss, no matter the cause.
  10. If we can cripple or sink enemy major fleet units for the loss of some cruisers and destroyers, the trade off is in our favor. We can replace cruisers and destroyers far more easily and quickly than the enemy can repair or replace major fleet units
In the hands of well trained officers and crews, the Type 93 was deadly in combat throughout the war.
 
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This does not follow. The 1938 53 cm Type 95 (oxygen) had a warhead of 405 kg (payload of 24%) and a range of 12 km at 45 knots. The 1933 61 cm Type 90 (air) had a warhead of 375 kg (payload of 14%) and a range of 15 km at 35 knots.

The Japanese managed to fit a higher speed, about equal range, and a larger warhead (almost twice as heavy as a percentage) in a smaller torpedo by using an oxygen system.

There are valid arguments against oxygen torpedoes (*), but not that it was their size that made the difference more than anything.

(*) for example, all that extra range is effectively wasted without terminal guidance.

Actually, that leaves you comparing the US torpedo with a Japanese torpedo that is 20% heavier and almost half again as large. The Japanese had very different ideas about what should be fitted in subs. That skews your comparison something major.

I'm sorry, I really don't understand what this has to do with WW2 torpedoes. Which we were discussing.


I tend to disagree on the idea that the range of the Type 93 is negated by its lack of terminal guidance. The fact that it's wakeless tells in its favor. Can't dodge a torpedo you can't see coming.

When the Imperial navy fired Type 93s, especially early in the war, the Allies thought that submarines were operating in concert with the surface forces. I mean, who would ever fire a torpedo at more than 20,000 yards range?
 
This is my speculation on their thinking and its impact on ship construction, fleet battle doctrine and training
Japanese battle doctrine was extremely detailed, the mass long range torpedo attack was to be used to attrit the US battleline as steamed across the Pacific both during the night scout encounter and the daylight battleship battle. This way they could employ torpedo craft while staying out of effective range of the US ships.

Try 'Kaigun' by Evans and Peattie for more details.

This was wishful thinking and required the enemy fleet to move and act exactly as predicted. A very dangerous assumption that blew up in the Japanese faces in multiple battles.

I tend to disagree on the idea that the range of the Type 93 is negated by its lack of terminal guidance. The fact that it's wakeless tells in its favor. Can't dodge a torpedo you can't see coming.
When the Imperial navy fired Type 93s, especially early in the war, the Allies thought that submarines were operating in concert with the surface forces. I mean, who would ever fire a torpedo at more than 20,000 yards range?
Japanese long range torpedo fire had very bad hit rates, especially at long ranges; except for Java Sea all Japanese torpedo successes were at closer ranges.
 
Japanese battle doctrine was extremely detailed, the mass long range torpedo attack was to be used to attrit the US battleline as steamed across the Pacific both during the night scout encounter and the daylight battleship battle. This way they could employ torpedo craft while staying out of effective range of the US ships.

Try 'Kaigun' by Evans and Peattie for more details.

This was wishful thinking and required the enemy fleet to move and act exactly as predicted. A very dangerous assumption that blew up in the Japanese faces in multiple battles.

Japanese long range torpedo fire had very bad hit rates, especially at long ranges; except for Java Sea all Japanese torpedo successes were at closer ranges.

Someone, I can't remember who, said the Japanese approached war and battle from the perspective of the "art" of war, and that they were the artists. I can't speak to the veracity of the claim, but their love of detailed, complex battle plans do have the flavor of an artist striving to create their masterpiece.

As for the bad hit rates, I guess it's better to launch your torpedoes at their maximum effective range, if it's 20,000 yards, than if their maximum effective range is 5,000 yards. Enemy gunfire tends to complicate things a bit. As with any kind of weapon, the closer you are, the better your chance of hitting anything. In any case, a torpedo in the water is a chance to get lucky, and sometimes, any chance is better than none.
 
When even PT boats had dismal hit rates with torps at suicidally close ranges, you could almost say that the true value of torps was the brown trouser moments they caused and the evasive maneuvering required.
 
Omake: Saratoga
Not a proper chapter, sorry. But in looking through my snip thread it occurred to me I never posted this in the actual Indy threads. With the last chapter going to the past with Seydlitz, I figured it was a good time to go ahead and post something else from the past that will become relevant when Sara is a bigger character in Arc 2.

...that and I figured I could at least give something to read while I work on updating Destiny. After it's done I'll post a proper chapter in here again.

(cleaned up or not, this was still written in July. Not quite at the current quality

and I added a couple little hints about the British)




"I see...the British were resistant to the idea of scrapping those new battlecruisers?"

"Far more than resistant, Admiral. Admiral Beatty was quite clear on the subject. Britain will not scrap the Indestructible-class, nor will they give up an equivalent tonnage in battleships."

Admiral Robert Coontz rubbed his scalp, a frustrated sigh escaping his lips.

"I can't say I am surprised by this, Mr. Secretary," the old Admiral turned to look at his nominal superior, the Secretary of State Charles Hughes. "We all know that Japan is the new threat to world security, now that Germany is no longer an issue. But the British are nothing if not cautious." Coontz sighed again, resisting the urge to complain. Complaining was pointless. "They know that we won't fight the battle Germany did, if a war were to break out. Those battlecruisers are useless in a conflict against us, and that's why they want the Iron Dukes."

Hughes nodded, "So I have been told. While it is far from ideal, the British delegation has at least agreed that our navy- and unfortunately the Japanese -can build equivalent tonnage in our own battlecruisers. I believe the Lexington-class is currently under hold pending the results of the treaty, correct?"

"They are."

The first and so far as Coontz had believed only battlecruisers of the United States Navy. Ships that should, by all rights, have been completed long ago. But a tortured design process and the need to build a credible fleet to serve in the Great War had put them behind, to the point that not one of those ships was near completion. There were nebulous discussions of converting two of them to carriers, as part of the clause in the Naval Treaty that allowed for that. But...

It had never occurred to the Admiral, once the idea of limiting naval construction had come to being, that they may actually complete a ship as a battlecruiser. But...the British were as stubborn as ever.

The Indestructible-class were the ultimate evolution of the pre-Great War British battlecruiser design school. Superior to any ship of their type remaining, now that the High Seas Fleet was rusting at the bottom of Scapa Flow. Superior even to their half-sisters in Japan. Hood and the new battlecruisers under construction in all three major powers- Britain, the United States and Japan -were superior in turn, but with the treaty...

Well. The only thing to hope was that the British did the same as America had planned and converted carriers of their own. Those fancy battlecruisers they built after the Indestructibles might be a good option...

"The Royal Navy guards the exact specifications of the Indestructible-class as we do our own ships," Coontz rubbed his forehead again, shaking his head in frustration. "We are not even sure exactly what they displace."

"Nor has the British delegation informed us." Hughes easily replied, though he didn't look particularly happy either.

In point of fact, he was more unhappy than Coontz. The Washington Naval Conference had been his and President Harding's plan. Their best hope at limiting the chance of a runaway arms race, the likes of which had lead in part to the Great War. And now part of it was rendered moot.

"However," the Secretary continued, nodding down at the paper between the two men. One with dark black ink, barely dried before Hughes had brought it to this meeting. "They have agreed to allow us to convert two of the Lexington-class to aircraft carriers, and two of them as battlecruisers."

Four ships that collectively blew the ideal tonnage limit out of the proverbial water.

And had the young man- for his position at least -sighing heavily and shaking his head in clear annoyance. "I'm not a military man, and I make no claim to be one. Which of our ships would you recommend converting and saving?"

Coontz had papers of his own ready, and reached down by his side to grab them. Unclasping his briefcase, the sound of rustling parchment filled the room as the Admiral placed his papers atop the Secretary's.

"The first is simple to answer. The original plan, had we merely converted warships, would have seen Lexington and Saratoga converted. They are the two furthest along in construction, and it would take far less work to complete them. However..." Coontz sighed himself while tapping a finger on the paper beneath his hand. "If you are asking me to convert two of our battlecruisers and preserve two of them as well, I would suggest Lexington and Constellation for converting."

Hughes frowned, "And the reason for the change?"

"Simple. Saratoga is the furthest along with her barbettes ready for mounting. To move those to an entirely different dockyard would take more time and effort than merely completing her as is." The Admiral replied, an ever so slight shrug of his shoulders accompanying the words. "That leaves Lexington and Constellation, in that order, as the next closest to completion. As for the remainder...I believe that..."




"Come one, come all! The moment of the decade, as America officially commissions our first battlecruiser! Don't miss this historic moment!"

The magnified voice echoed over the calm waters of Camden, New Jersey. Hundreds of excited citizens mulled around the waterfront, some coming from as far as Georgia or Iowa to see the proud warship in the distance. The launching of a warship was usually what attracted such a crowd. USS Arizona's launching a decade before in 1915 had attracted a large crowd in Brooklyn for just one example. But… this was different. When launched, in any way other than her sheer size, this warship hadn't been that special.

Newly complete and off sea trials on the other hand... she was now unique. The first, and for now only, battlecruiser in the United States Navy. A warship that had barely come into being, and one that was the darling of the press. The most powerful warship in the Navy, they called her. And for the first time returning as a commissioned warship to dock, the press had decided to make it a spectacle.

That the Navy was somewhat eager to prove they weren't wasting Congress' money on the ship also had something to do with it.

I'm the darling of the Navy!

And aboard that ship, her dull plates gleaming in the sunlight there was a blonde young girl smiling brightly. She stood on the very foremost part of the battlecruiser's bow in a place where no man or woman should ever be. Her arms were flung wide and her grin hadn't faded in the slightest. This despite the spray of water flying up at her. Actually, if anything, she smiled wider at the feeling of the water. How could she not?

She was actually sailing under her own power, and it felt so liberating. Even now, after she had finished her sea trials. For while Saratoga may be young, she understood what it felt to be moving on her own without anyone watching to see if she sank.

"She's a fine ship, Captain."

That voice had the young girl spinning on her heel, her smile refusing to leave her face. Her Captain was a good man, fair and even in his dealings with the crew. He didn't quite understand how to use her though.

Not that she had ever blamed him. Couldn't blame him honestly. It wasn't his fault she was so unique!

But the man with him was different.

He understood her.

"But I can't help but feel we aren't using her to her full potential." The older man, his back bowed by age continued to speak.

His sharp eyes stared out from under a shock of grey hair. For all that his face was lined and his age was very apparent he still had a fine mind. A mind that had once belonged to the most forward thinking young officer in the entire Navy.

"I'm afraid I don't see what you mean, sir?" Her Captain, on the other hand, lacked that particular spark. He was a good man and a good officer. Yet, he didn't really understand Saratoga.

Frowning slightly now, the battlecruiser walked up to the men. Naturally neither saw her. No one could see her as anything but a beautiful- and powerful! -warship. Now she was quite a nice ship to look, true... but not a young woman.

Still, she couldn't help the frown when she looked at the men, "Admiral Sims is right! I'm not a battleship, or a cruiser!"

They didn't hear her of course. But she didn't expect them to.

"You must understand son," Admiral Sims may not have heard her, but the retired Admiral who had fought so hard to make her into a proper warship didn't need to.

In fact, his sharp eyes stared her Captain down. And Admiral Sims' lack of an active rank did little to quell the Admiral Stare.

"Saratoga is a battlecruiser, like Hood. Perhaps, without the armor that convinces me Hood is a battleship. But Saratoga is most certainly neither a battleship, nor a cruiser. Not even one of the new Omahas the Navy is so proud of."

The smile was back on Saratoga's face, as she nodded along with The Admiral. Her blonde hair flew around her face with each movement. Not 'the' Admiral. The Admiral. He was the one she looked up to, who had made sure she was as good as she could possibly be. Who understood what it meant to be a battlecruiser when not one other man in the Navy really did.

It was really too bad he had retired...she wouldn't have minded serving under him.

"Saratoga is a ship that needs to be used like a cruiser, but at the same time, you have to understand her purpose." Sims continued to lecture the Captain as he held out an aged hand.

He gestured out at the water on either side of the mighty warship, though the buildings of Camden were soon to overtake her.

"Scouting for the enemy, and hunting down the enemy's scouts. Not like an Omaha. No...Saratoga can sink any other cruiser on the face of the Earth. I guarantee you that."

Bringing his hand back in, the old Admiral rubbed at his scalp with a small frown crossing his face as he did so. "However, don't even think of facing a battleship. Her guns are powerful, her armor is not."

"Exactly!" Saratoga nodded sharply, her hat almost flying off her head. She hardly noticed, too busy smiling at the Admiral.

For his part at least, her Captain also nodded. The man bit his lip though, scratching at the thin mustache on his upper lip. "I see. So, like the British use their battlecruisers?"

Sims barked out a short laugh, shaking his head in clear amusement, "Much as Hood may impress me, don't copy the British. At least, that fool Beatty. Jutland shouldn't have happened the way it did, from what I've read on the subject since I retired. I can't say I would have done any better. That any of us would have done any better, with the shape the Navy was in at the time. But..."

An explosive sigh came from the Admiral's lips. Sims continued to rub at his brow, if only out of exasperation now.

"Saratoga should never, ever, be near the battleline."

That was the one truth about her, and Saratoga knew it. Fighting anything bigger than a cruiser was too much for her. No matter that she was the darling of the Navy. She was a fast ship with big guns and no armor. If someone shot at her… well it would hurt. Hurt quite a lot actually.

I may not be strong, but I'm good! I won't give up no matter what!

Squaring her shoulders, Saratoga thrust her modest chest out. If it came down to it, she would fight to the end! That was what she was built for, and she wouldn't let anyone down!

"You can count on me Admiral, even if I have to fight a battleship!" Saratoga sent a blinding grin at the old man across from her. Beneath their feet, her boilers may have burned a bit brighter. Her screws may have turned a bit harder.

She was happy and wanted to prove herself, after all. Saratoga was the Darling of the Navy and she wasn't going to let them down. After all, how could the newest ship in the Fleet not want to prove herself agai...

"What about those Japanese battlecruisers?"

And just like that, the mood was ruined. For Saratoga's Captain had made no notice of her childish eagerness, and instead, was focusing on her most likely enemy. The Hiei-class battlecruisers of Imperial Japan.

The ships that the Lexington-class had been designed to fight. The only reason she was built in the first place.

"If you mean the Hiei-class, I wouldn't worry," Admiral Sims paid little heed to the fact that Saratoga's bow had gone a bit lower in the water, or the equivalent slump of the blonde little girl's shoulders. No, he focused entirely on the Captain, nodding at the younger officer. "Saratoga is newer, faster, better armed and armored than they are. I couldn't tell you what the Amagi-class is like."

The Captain nodded himself, scratching his chin, "I agree, Admiral. Then, I suppose my mission is to scout for the enemy and defeat their own scouts in detail. What of the carriers?"

Sims finally frowned, looking out at the water. More specifically, past the buildings of Camden, towards Massachusetts. Towards where Lexington had recently been launched.

"I will admit, not even I know how the Navy will get use out of Lexington and Constellation. However," Sims gestured down at the ship under his feet, before nodding to the north again. "I imagine that you will escort them. Saratoga and United States are the only ships fast enough to do so, beyond our cruisers and destroyers."

Saratoga's Captain nodded along with that, but the ship? The young girl, who was so proud of her status in the Navy?

She felt her shoulders slump yet further, tears pricking at her eyes. She had never cried before. Why should she? Saratoga was proud, a wonderful ship that the boys serving on her loved. She was the pride of the Navy, darling in the eyes of the press. But she was also...also...

I'm not her sister anymore...

She wasn't a little sister anymore. While she was under construction, all alone, Saratoga had dreamed of meeting her sisters. None of them were built where she was, so she hadn't even had a chance to talk to them. Lexington, Constellation, Constitution, Ranger, United States.

Saratoga knew their names, from the workers aboard her hull.

But she didn't know them.

"Lexington...Constellation..." Saratoga held a hand to her heart, the other reaching up to wipe at her face. She looked in the same direction that Admiral Sims had looked, wishing she could at least see her si...her half-sister. If she could even call Lexington that now.

The young battlecruiser had long imagined that when she met Lexington, at last, that her sister would be a doting elder sister. Like she had heard Utah talk about Florida, or North Dakota and Delaware. But...that couldn't happen now, could it? Lexington and Constellation would be fancy new Aircraft Carriers. They weren't the same, they were completely different ships now. Could she even claim they were sisters now?

After all, she wasn't even a Lexington-class ship now. She was the first of the Saratoga-class. It was her who was the big sister to United States now. And what could she do about that, but to do her best?

If she was going to be escorting Lexington though...

I hope she still considers us sisters. I want to meet you, so much Lexington. I have so much to talk about! Please...please...

Saratoga wiped her eyes again, turning back to the rapidly approaching dock in front of her. To the cheering crowds welcoming home the Darling of the Navy. Watery it may have been, her smile returned at the least. Saratoga waved out at the crowds, their energy buoying her spirits. Making her smile widen, since if nothing else, her people were proud of her.

I will talk to you, Lexington. We'll be sisters, no matter how different we are now! Right! I'm the Darling of the Navy, and I won't give up!
 
Not a proper chapter, sorry. But in looking through my snip thread it occurred to me I never posted this in the actual Indy threads. With the last chapter going to the past with Seydlitz, I figured it was a good time to go ahead and post something else from the past that will become relevant when Sara is a bigger character in Arc 2.

...that and I figured I could at least give something to read while I work on updating Destiny. After it's done I'll post a proper chapter in here again.

(cleaned up or not, this was still written in July. Not quite at the current quality

and I added a couple little hints about the British)




"I see...the British were resistant to the idea of scrapping those new battlecruisers?"

"Far more than resistant, Admiral. Admiral Beatty was quite clear on the subject. Britain will not scrap the Indestructible-class, nor will they give up an equivalent tonnage in battleships."

Admiral Robert Coontz rubbed his scalp, a frustrated sigh escaping his lips.

"I can't say I am surprised by this, Mr. Secretary," the old Admiral turned to look at his nominal superior, the Secretary of State Charles Hughes. "We all know that Japan is the new threat to world security, now that Germany is no longer an issue. But the British are nothing if not cautious." Coontz sighed again, resisting the urge to complain. Complaining was pointless. "They know that we won't fight the battle Germany did, if a war were to break out. Those battlecruisers are useless in a conflict against us, and that's why they want the Iron Dukes."

Hughes nodded, "So I have been told. While it is far from ideal, the British delegation has at least agreed that our navy- and unfortunately the Japanese -can build equivalent tonnage in our own battlecruisers. I believe the Lexington-class is currently under hold pending the results of the treaty, correct?"

"They are."

The first and so far as Coontz had believed only battlecruisers of the United States Navy. Ships that should, by all rights, have been completed long ago. But a tortured design process and the need to build a credible fleet to serve in the Great War had put them behind, to the point that not one of those ships was near completion. There were nebulous discussions of converting two of them to carriers, as part of the clause in the Naval Treaty that allowed for that. But...

It had never occurred to the Admiral, once the idea of limiting naval construction had come to being, that they may actually complete a ship as a battlecruiser. But...the British were as stubborn as ever.

The Indestructible-class were the ultimate evolution of the pre-Great War British battlecruiser design school. Superior to any ship of their type remaining, now that the High Seas Fleet was rusting at the bottom of Scapa Flow. Superior even to their half-sisters in Japan. Hood and the new battlecruisers under construction in all three major powers- Britain, the United States and Japan -were superior in turn, but with the treaty...

Well. The only thing to hope was that the British did the same as America had planned and converted carriers of their own. Those fancy battlecruisers they built after the Indestructibles might be a good option...

"The Royal Navy guards the exact specifications of the Indestructible-class as we do our own ships," Coontz rubbed his forehead again, shaking his head in frustration. "We are not even sure exactly what they displace."

"Nor has the British delegation informed us." Hughes easily replied, though he didn't look particularly happy either.

In point of fact, he was more unhappy than Coontz. The Washington Naval Conference had been his and President Harding's plan. Their best hope at limiting the chance of a runaway arms race, the likes of which had lead in part to the Great War. And now part of it was rendered moot.

"However," the Secretary continued, nodding down at the paper between the two men. One with dark black ink, barely dried before Hughes had brought it to this meeting. "They have agreed to allow us to convert two of the Lexington-class to aircraft carriers, and two of them as battlecruisers."

Four ships that collectively blew the ideal tonnage limit out of the proverbial water.

And had the young man- for his position at least -sighing heavily and shaking his head in clear annoyance. "I'm not a military man, and I make no claim to be one. Which of our ships would you recommend converting and saving?"

Coontz had papers of his own ready, and reached down by his side to grab them. Unclasping his briefcase, the sound of rustling parchment filled the room as the Admiral placed his papers atop the Secretary's.

"The first is simple to answer. The original plan, had we merely converted warships, would have seen Lexington and Saratoga converted. They are the two furthest along in construction, and it would take far less work to complete them. However..." Coontz sighed himself while tapping a finger on the paper beneath his hand. "If you are asking me to convert two of our battlecruisers and preserve two of them as well, I would suggest Lexington and Constellation for converting."

Hughes frowned, "And the reason for the change?"

"Simple. Saratoga is the furthest along with her barbettes ready for mounting. To move those to an entirely different dockyard would take more time and effort than merely completing her as is." The Admiral replied, an ever so slight shrug of his shoulders accompanying the words. "That leaves Lexington and Constellation, in that order, as the next closest to completion. As for the remainder...I believe that..."




"Come one, come all! The moment of the decade, as America officially commissions our first battlecruiser! Don't miss this historic moment!"

The magnified voice echoed over the calm waters of Camden, New Jersey. Hundreds of excited citizens mulled around the waterfront, some coming from as far as Georgia or Iowa to see the proud warship in the distance. The launching of a warship was usually what attracted such a crowd. USS Arizona's launching a decade before in 1915 had attracted a large crowd in Brooklyn for just one example. But… this was different. When launched, in any way other than her sheer size, this warship hadn't been that special.

Newly complete and off sea trials on the other hand... she was now unique. The first, and for now only, battlecruiser in the United States Navy. A warship that had barely come into being, and one that was the darling of the press. The most powerful warship in the Navy, they called her. And for the first time returning as a commissioned warship to dock, the press had decided to make it a spectacle.

That the Navy was somewhat eager to prove they weren't wasting Congress' money on the ship also had something to do with it.

I'm the darling of the Navy!

And aboard that ship, her dull plates gleaming in the sunlight there was a blonde young girl smiling brightly. She stood on the very foremost part of the battlecruiser's bow in a place where no man or woman should ever be. Her arms were flung wide and her grin hadn't faded in the slightest. This despite the spray of water flying up at her. Actually, if anything, she smiled wider at the feeling of the water. How could she not?

She was actually sailing under her own power, and it felt so liberating. Even now, after she had finished her sea trials. For while Saratoga may be young, she understood what it felt to be moving on her own without anyone watching to see if she sank.

"She's a fine ship, Captain."

That voice had the young girl spinning on her heel, her smile refusing to leave her face. Her Captain was a good man, fair and even in his dealings with the crew. He didn't quite understand how to use her though.

Not that she had ever blamed him. Couldn't blame him honestly. It wasn't his fault she was so unique!

But the man with him was different.

He understood her.

"But I can't help but feel we aren't using her to her full potential." The older man, his back bowed by age continued to speak.

His sharp eyes stared out from under a shock of grey hair. For all that his face was lined and his age was very apparent he still had a fine mind. A mind that had once belonged to the most forward thinking young officer in the entire Navy.

"I'm afraid I don't see what you mean, sir?" Her Captain, on the other hand, lacked that particular spark. He was a good man and a good officer. Yet, he didn't really understand Saratoga.

Frowning slightly now, the battlecruiser walked up to the men. Naturally neither saw her. No one could see her as anything but a beautiful- and powerful! -warship. Now she was quite a nice ship to look, true... but not a young woman.

Still, she couldn't help the frown when she looked at the men, "Admiral Sims is right! I'm not a battleship, or a cruiser!"

They didn't hear her of course. But she didn't expect them to.

"You must understand son," Admiral Sims may not have heard her, but the retired Admiral who had fought so hard to make her into a proper warship didn't need to.

In fact, his sharp eyes stared her Captain down. And Admiral Sims' lack of an active rank did little to quell the Admiral Stare.

"Saratoga is a battlecruiser, like Hood. Perhaps, without the armor that convinces me Hood is a battleship. But Saratoga is most certainly neither a battleship, nor a cruiser. Not even one of the new Omahas the Navy is so proud of."

The smile was back on Saratoga's face, as she nodded along with The Admiral. Her blonde hair flew around her face with each movement. Not 'the' Admiral. The Admiral. He was the one she looked up to, who had made sure she was as good as she could possibly be. Who understood what it meant to be a battlecruiser when not one other man in the Navy really did.

It was really too bad he had retired...she wouldn't have minded serving under him.

"Saratoga is a ship that needs to be used like a cruiser, but at the same time, you have to understand her purpose." Sims continued to lecture the Captain as he held out an aged hand.

He gestured out at the water on either side of the mighty warship, though the buildings of Camden were soon to overtake her.

"Scouting for the enemy, and hunting down the enemy's scouts. Not like an Omaha. No...Saratoga can sink any other cruiser on the face of the Earth. I guarantee you that."

Bringing his hand back in, the old Admiral rubbed at his scalp with a small frown crossing his face as he did so. "However, don't even think of facing a battleship. Her guns are powerful, her armor is not."

"Exactly!" Saratoga nodded sharply, her hat almost flying off her head. She hardly noticed, too busy smiling at the Admiral.

For his part at least, her Captain also nodded. The man bit his lip though, scratching at the thin mustache on his upper lip. "I see. So, like the British use their battlecruisers?"

Sims barked out a short laugh, shaking his head in clear amusement, "Much as Hood may impress me, don't copy the British. At least, that fool Beatty. Jutland shouldn't have happened the way it did, from what I've read on the subject since I retired. I can't say I would have done any better. That any of us would have done any better, with the shape the Navy was in at the time. But..."

An explosive sigh came from the Admiral's lips. Sims continued to rub at his brow, if only out of exasperation now.

"Saratoga should never, ever, be near the battleline."

That was the one truth about her, and Saratoga knew it. Fighting anything bigger than a cruiser was too much for her. No matter that she was the darling of the Navy. She was a fast ship with big guns and no armor. If someone shot at her… well it would hurt. Hurt quite a lot actually.

I may not be strong, but I'm good! I won't give up no matter what!

Squaring her shoulders, Saratoga thrust her modest chest out. If it came down to it, she would fight to the end! That was what she was built for, and she wouldn't let anyone down!

"You can count on me Admiral, even if I have to fight a battleship!" Saratoga sent a blinding grin at the old man across from her. Beneath their feet, her boilers may have burned a bit brighter. Her screws may have turned a bit harder.

She was happy and wanted to prove herself, after all. Saratoga was the Darling of the Navy and she wasn't going to let them down. After all, how could the newest ship in the Fleet not want to prove herself agai...

"What about those Japanese battlecruisers?"

And just like that, the mood was ruined. For Saratoga's Captain had made no notice of her childish eagerness, and instead, was focusing on her most likely enemy. The Hiei-class battlecruisers of Imperial Japan.

The ships that the Lexington-class had been designed to fight. The only reason she was built in the first place.

"If you mean the Hiei-class, I wouldn't worry," Admiral Sims paid little heed to the fact that Saratoga's bow had gone a bit lower in the water, or the equivalent slump of the blonde little girl's shoulders. No, he focused entirely on the Captain, nodding at the younger officer. "Saratoga is newer, faster, better armed and armored than they are. I couldn't tell you what the Amagi-class is like."

The Captain nodded himself, scratching his chin, "I agree, Admiral. Then, I suppose my mission is to scout for the enemy and defeat their own scouts in detail. What of the carriers?"

Sims finally frowned, looking out at the water. More specifically, past the buildings of Camden, towards Massachusetts. Towards where Lexington had recently been launched.

"I will admit, not even I know how the Navy will get use out of Lexington and Constellation. However," Sims gestured down at the ship under his feet, before nodding to the north again. "I imagine that you will escort them. Saratoga and United States are the only ships fast enough to do so, beyond our cruisers and destroyers."

Saratoga's Captain nodded along with that, but the ship? The young girl, who was so proud of her status in the Navy?

She felt her shoulders slump yet further, tears pricking at her eyes. She had never cried before. Why should she? Saratoga was proud, a wonderful ship that the boys serving on her loved. She was the pride of the Navy, darling in the eyes of the press. But she was also...also...

I'm not her sister anymore...

She wasn't a little sister anymore. While she was under construction, all alone, Saratoga had dreamed of meeting her sisters. None of them were built where she was, so she hadn't even had a chance to talk to them. Lexington, Constellation, Constitution, Ranger, United States.

Saratoga knew their names, from the workers aboard her hull.

But she didn't know them.

"Lexington...Constellation..." Saratoga held a hand to her heart, the other reaching up to wipe at her face. She looked in the same direction that Admiral Sims had looked, wishing she could at least see her si...her half-sister. If she could even call Lexington that now.

The young battlecruiser had long imagined that when she met Lexington, at last, that her sister would be a doting elder sister. Like she had heard Utah talk about Florida, or North Dakota and Delaware. But...that couldn't happen now, could it? Lexington and Constellation would be fancy new Aircraft Carriers. They weren't the same, they were completely different ships now. Could she even claim they were sisters now?

After all, she wasn't even a Lexington-class ship now. She was the first of the Saratoga-class. It was her who was the big sister to United States now. And what could she do about that, but to do her best?

If she was going to be escorting Lexington though...

I hope she still considers us sisters. I want to meet you, so much Lexington. I have so much to talk about! Please...please...

Saratoga wiped her eyes again, turning back to the rapidly approaching dock in front of her. To the cheering crowds welcoming home the Darling of the Navy. Watery it may have been, her smile returned at the least. Saratoga waved out at the crowds, their energy buoying her spirits. Making her smile widen, since if nothing else, her people were proud of her.

I will talk to you, Lexington. We'll be sisters, no matter how different we are now! Right! I'm the Darling of the Navy, and I won't give up!
Go for it, Sara. Talk to Lady Lex. I'm sure that she will still consider you as family.
 
Not a proper chapter, sorry. But in looking through my snip thread it occurred to me I never posted this in the actual Indy threads. With the last chapter going to the past with Seydlitz, I figured it was a good time to go ahead and post something else from the past that will become relevant when Sara is a bigger character in Arc 2.

...that and I figured I could at least give something to read while I work on updating Destiny. After it's done I'll post a proper chapter in here again.

(cleaned up or not, this was still written in July. Not quite at the current quality

and I added a couple little hints about the British)




"I see...the British were resistant to the idea of scrapping those new battlecruisers?"

"Far more than resistant, Admiral. Admiral Beatty was quite clear on the subject. Britain will not scrap the Indestructible-class, nor will they give up an equivalent tonnage in battleships."

Admiral Robert Coontz rubbed his scalp, a frustrated sigh escaping his lips.

"I can't say I am surprised by this, Mr. Secretary," the old Admiral turned to look at his nominal superior, the Secretary of State Charles Hughes. "We all know that Japan is the new threat to world security, now that Germany is no longer an issue. But the British are nothing if not cautious." Coontz sighed again, resisting the urge to complain. Complaining was pointless. "They know that we won't fight the battle Germany did, if a war were to break out. Those battlecruisers are useless in a conflict against us, and that's why they want the Iron Dukes."

Hughes nodded, "So I have been told. While it is far from ideal, the British delegation has at least agreed that our navy- and unfortunately the Japanese -can build equivalent tonnage in our own battlecruisers. I believe the Lexington-class is currently under hold pending the results of the treaty, correct?"

"They are."

The first and so far as Coontz had believed only battlecruisers of the United States Navy. Ships that should, by all rights, have been completed long ago. But a tortured design process and the need to build a credible fleet to serve in the Great War had put them behind, to the point that not one of those ships was near completion. There were nebulous discussions of converting two of them to carriers, as part of the clause in the Naval Treaty that allowed for that. But...

It had never occurred to the Admiral, once the idea of limiting naval construction had come to being, that they may actually complete a ship as a battlecruiser. But...the British were as stubborn as ever.

The Indestructible-class were the ultimate evolution of the pre-Great War British battlecruiser design school. Superior to any ship of their type remaining, now that the High Seas Fleet was rusting at the bottom of Scapa Flow. Superior even to their half-sisters in Japan. Hood and the new battlecruisers under construction in all three major powers- Britain, the United States and Japan -were superior in turn, but with the treaty...

Well. The only thing to hope was that the British did the same as America had planned and converted carriers of their own. Those fancy battlecruisers they built after the Indestructibles might be a good option...

"The Royal Navy guards the exact specifications of the Indestructible-class as we do our own ships," Coontz rubbed his forehead again, shaking his head in frustration. "We are not even sure exactly what they displace."

"Nor has the British delegation informed us." Hughes easily replied, though he didn't look particularly happy either.

In point of fact, he was more unhappy than Coontz. The Washington Naval Conference had been his and President Harding's plan. Their best hope at limiting the chance of a runaway arms race, the likes of which had lead in part to the Great War. And now part of it was rendered moot.

"However," the Secretary continued, nodding down at the paper between the two men. One with dark black ink, barely dried before Hughes had brought it to this meeting. "They have agreed to allow us to convert two of the Lexington-class to aircraft carriers, and two of them as battlecruisers."

Four ships that collectively blew the ideal tonnage limit out of the proverbial water.

And had the young man- for his position at least -sighing heavily and shaking his head in clear annoyance. "I'm not a military man, and I make no claim to be one. Which of our ships would you recommend converting and saving?"

Coontz had papers of his own ready, and reached down by his side to grab them. Unclasping his briefcase, the sound of rustling parchment filled the room as the Admiral placed his papers atop the Secretary's.

"The first is simple to answer. The original plan, had we merely converted warships, would have seen Lexington and Saratoga converted. They are the two furthest along in construction, and it would take far less work to complete them. However..." Coontz sighed himself while tapping a finger on the paper beneath his hand. "If you are asking me to convert two of our battlecruisers and preserve two of them as well, I would suggest Lexington and Constellation for converting."

Hughes frowned, "And the reason for the change?"

"Simple. Saratoga is the furthest along with her barbettes ready for mounting. To move those to an entirely different dockyard would take more time and effort than merely completing her as is." The Admiral replied, an ever so slight shrug of his shoulders accompanying the words. "That leaves Lexington and Constellation, in that order, as the next closest to completion. As for the remainder...I believe that..."




"Come one, come all! The moment of the decade, as America officially commissions our first battlecruiser! Don't miss this historic moment!"

The magnified voice echoed over the calm waters of Camden, New Jersey. Hundreds of excited citizens mulled around the waterfront, some coming from as far as Georgia or Iowa to see the proud warship in the distance. The launching of a warship was usually what attracted such a crowd. USS Arizona's launching a decade before in 1915 had attracted a large crowd in Brooklyn for just one example. But… this was different. When launched, in any way other than her sheer size, this warship hadn't been that special.

Newly complete and off sea trials on the other hand... she was now unique. The first, and for now only, battlecruiser in the United States Navy. A warship that had barely come into being, and one that was the darling of the press. The most powerful warship in the Navy, they called her. And for the first time returning as a commissioned warship to dock, the press had decided to make it a spectacle.

That the Navy was somewhat eager to prove they weren't wasting Congress' money on the ship also had something to do with it.

I'm the darling of the Navy!

And aboard that ship, her dull plates gleaming in the sunlight there was a blonde young girl smiling brightly. She stood on the very foremost part of the battlecruiser's bow in a place where no man or woman should ever be. Her arms were flung wide and her grin hadn't faded in the slightest. This despite the spray of water flying up at her. Actually, if anything, she smiled wider at the feeling of the water. How could she not?

She was actually sailing under her own power, and it felt so liberating. Even now, after she had finished her sea trials. For while Saratoga may be young, she understood what it felt to be moving on her own without anyone watching to see if she sank.

"She's a fine ship, Captain."

That voice had the young girl spinning on her heel, her smile refusing to leave her face. Her Captain was a good man, fair and even in his dealings with the crew. He didn't quite understand how to use her though.

Not that she had ever blamed him. Couldn't blame him honestly. It wasn't his fault she was so unique!

But the man with him was different.

He understood her.

"But I can't help but feel we aren't using her to her full potential." The older man, his back bowed by age continued to speak.

His sharp eyes stared out from under a shock of grey hair. For all that his face was lined and his age was very apparent he still had a fine mind. A mind that had once belonged to the most forward thinking young officer in the entire Navy.

"I'm afraid I don't see what you mean, sir?" Her Captain, on the other hand, lacked that particular spark. He was a good man and a good officer. Yet, he didn't really understand Saratoga.

Frowning slightly now, the battlecruiser walked up to the men. Naturally neither saw her. No one could see her as anything but a beautiful- and powerful! -warship. Now she was quite a nice ship to look, true... but not a young woman.

Still, she couldn't help the frown when she looked at the men, "Admiral Sims is right! I'm not a battleship, or a cruiser!"

They didn't hear her of course. But she didn't expect them to.

"You must understand son," Admiral Sims may not have heard her, but the retired Admiral who had fought so hard to make her into a proper warship didn't need to.

In fact, his sharp eyes stared her Captain down. And Admiral Sims' lack of an active rank did little to quell the Admiral Stare.

"Saratoga is a battlecruiser, like Hood. Perhaps, without the armor that convinces me Hood is a battleship. But Saratoga is most certainly neither a battleship, nor a cruiser. Not even one of the new Omahas the Navy is so proud of."

The smile was back on Saratoga's face, as she nodded along with The Admiral. Her blonde hair flew around her face with each movement. Not 'the' Admiral. The Admiral. He was the one she looked up to, who had made sure she was as good as she could possibly be. Who understood what it meant to be a battlecruiser when not one other man in the Navy really did.

It was really too bad he had retired...she wouldn't have minded serving under him.

"Saratoga is a ship that needs to be used like a cruiser, but at the same time, you have to understand her purpose." Sims continued to lecture the Captain as he held out an aged hand.

He gestured out at the water on either side of the mighty warship, though the buildings of Camden were soon to overtake her.

"Scouting for the enemy, and hunting down the enemy's scouts. Not like an Omaha. No...Saratoga can sink any other cruiser on the face of the Earth. I guarantee you that."

Bringing his hand back in, the old Admiral rubbed at his scalp with a small frown crossing his face as he did so. "However, don't even think of facing a battleship. Her guns are powerful, her armor is not."

"Exactly!" Saratoga nodded sharply, her hat almost flying off her head. She hardly noticed, too busy smiling at the Admiral.

For his part at least, her Captain also nodded. The man bit his lip though, scratching at the thin mustache on his upper lip. "I see. So, like the British use their battlecruisers?"

Sims barked out a short laugh, shaking his head in clear amusement, "Much as Hood may impress me, don't copy the British. At least, that fool Beatty. Jutland shouldn't have happened the way it did, from what I've read on the subject since I retired. I can't say I would have done any better. That any of us would have done any better, with the shape the Navy was in at the time. But..."

An explosive sigh came from the Admiral's lips. Sims continued to rub at his brow, if only out of exasperation now.

"Saratoga should never, ever, be near the battleline."

That was the one truth about her, and Saratoga knew it. Fighting anything bigger than a cruiser was too much for her. No matter that she was the darling of the Navy. She was a fast ship with big guns and no armor. If someone shot at her… well it would hurt. Hurt quite a lot actually.

I may not be strong, but I'm good! I won't give up no matter what!

Squaring her shoulders, Saratoga thrust her modest chest out. If it came down to it, she would fight to the end! That was what she was built for, and she wouldn't let anyone down!

"You can count on me Admiral, even if I have to fight a battleship!" Saratoga sent a blinding grin at the old man across from her. Beneath their feet, her boilers may have burned a bit brighter. Her screws may have turned a bit harder.

She was happy and wanted to prove herself, after all. Saratoga was the Darling of the Navy and she wasn't going to let them down. After all, how could the newest ship in the Fleet not want to prove herself agai...

"What about those Japanese battlecruisers?"

And just like that, the mood was ruined. For Saratoga's Captain had made no notice of her childish eagerness, and instead, was focusing on her most likely enemy. The Hiei-class battlecruisers of Imperial Japan.

The ships that the Lexington-class had been designed to fight. The only reason she was built in the first place.

"If you mean the Hiei-class, I wouldn't worry," Admiral Sims paid little heed to the fact that Saratoga's bow had gone a bit lower in the water, or the equivalent slump of the blonde little girl's shoulders. No, he focused entirely on the Captain, nodding at the younger officer. "Saratoga is newer, faster, better armed and armored than they are. I couldn't tell you what the Amagi-class is like."

The Captain nodded himself, scratching his chin, "I agree, Admiral. Then, I suppose my mission is to scout for the enemy and defeat their own scouts in detail. What of the carriers?"

Sims finally frowned, looking out at the water. More specifically, past the buildings of Camden, towards Massachusetts. Towards where Lexington had recently been launched.

"I will admit, not even I know how the Navy will get use out of Lexington and Constellation. However," Sims gestured down at the ship under his feet, before nodding to the north again. "I imagine that you will escort them. Saratoga and United States are the only ships fast enough to do so, beyond our cruisers and destroyers."

Saratoga's Captain nodded along with that, but the ship? The young girl, who was so proud of her status in the Navy?

She felt her shoulders slump yet further, tears pricking at her eyes. She had never cried before. Why should she? Saratoga was proud, a wonderful ship that the boys serving on her loved. She was the pride of the Navy, darling in the eyes of the press. But she was also...also...

I'm not her sister anymore...

She wasn't a little sister anymore. While she was under construction, all alone, Saratoga had dreamed of meeting her sisters. None of them were built where she was, so she hadn't even had a chance to talk to them. Lexington, Constellation, Constitution, Ranger, United States.

Saratoga knew their names, from the workers aboard her hull.

But she didn't know them.

"Lexington...Constellation..." Saratoga held a hand to her heart, the other reaching up to wipe at her face. She looked in the same direction that Admiral Sims had looked, wishing she could at least see her si...her half-sister. If she could even call Lexington that now.

The young battlecruiser had long imagined that when she met Lexington, at last, that her sister would be a doting elder sister. Like she had heard Utah talk about Florida, or North Dakota and Delaware. But...that couldn't happen now, could it? Lexington and Constellation would be fancy new Aircraft Carriers. They weren't the same, they were completely different ships now. Could she even claim they were sisters now?

After all, she wasn't even a Lexington-class ship now. She was the first of the Saratoga-class. It was her who was the big sister to United States now. And what could she do about that, but to do her best?

If she was going to be escorting Lexington though...

I hope she still considers us sisters. I want to meet you, so much Lexington. I have so much to talk about! Please...please...

Saratoga wiped her eyes again, turning back to the rapidly approaching dock in front of her. To the cheering crowds welcoming home the Darling of the Navy. Watery it may have been, her smile returned at the least. Saratoga waved out at the crowds, their energy buoying her spirits. Making her smile widen, since if nothing else, her people were proud of her.

I will talk to you, Lexington. We'll be sisters, no matter how different we are now! Right! I'm the Darling of the Navy, and I won't give up!
Might be just me, but did you post this somewhere else? I'm pretty sure I've read this before.
 
Personally I think they would be, since in reality, they were launched and commissioned in 1916.
I'm not so sure. The design requirements for the ships were only presented in December 1914, and the entire point was to get new battlecruisers into the water fast, with a side order of shallow drafts for Fisher's daft Baltic plans. With Indestructible and her sisters, though, the Royal Navy already has another three built or building by the time Fisher gets his idea, and that means that Churchill isn't going to budge on the issue (he fought Fisher pretty hard on this OTL, and only Heligoland Bight and the Falklands, as well as Fisher's assurances that they could be built fast (which were right) changed his mind).
 
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