Incompatible System
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M. H. Fuzzball
Aperture Science-certified Horrible Person
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The episode was called "The Outrageous Okona".
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- Neptune
No, that's the Journey to Alpha Centauri Real Time Simulator.Are you sure it's not just a black screen with a few tiny lit pixels on it that never move? That would be a fairly accurate simulation...
Of course without those deflectors a ship can be carved up with lasers just fine. As the Borg have shown.
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- Tampere
What this actually means is that the creator of the Reapers was actually using WIMP tech, and purposfully used Eezo because it would discourage and eliminate species that tried using WIMP. Especially if they spread/leave traces of Eezo tech around to be discovered and thus leading species to base their tech on that first.
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- Germany
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- He/Him
If that is true, Reaper cores might already be shielded ...
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- On the sofa. (Probably)
They would either erase his knowledge and continue as usual or assimilate his knowledge, declare themselves hereteks/abominable intelligences and commit suicide.
Ace Dreamer
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- Between The Unknown & The Known
No specific setting, but the idea of 'crystal tech' is used in quite a few stories. For one (pretty old, now) example see Darkover and their Matrix Crystals.
Also, the whole use of 'biotics' smells a lot more like psionics to me, and a race that did weird stuff without Element Zero could be fun. Particularly if WIMP tech gives them headaches, and their psionics can mess with the ME setting in some way (change Planium into something which bleeds energy, but doesn't explode?).
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"The Empire of Texas." Oh my God, I can't stop laughing. I am very pleased to see that this story has become active again, and with such expansive update to boot.
That is entirely possible. Eezo is, by all accounts, an artificial (and artificially seeded) substance. Knowing its properties, no one capable of creating it wouldn't also find a way to defend against the one thing with which it reacts vigorously and exceedingly dangerously.
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- Phoenix, AZ, USA
It is just as possible that the Eezo/Relay trap was not set just to gather resource to feed the Reapers but that it was/is a control/trap/limit used against the Reapers.
How the Reapers ended up with a hunter gatherer society seems strange. Bio-farms as a steady supply of bio resources would seem more efficient.
Edit 1.0: The hunter gatherer need for bio resources could be a control/limit imposed by design.
How the Reapers ended up with a hunter gatherer society seems strange. Bio-farms as a steady supply of bio resources would seem more efficient.
Edit 1.0: The hunter gatherer need for bio resources could be a control/limit imposed by design.
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- Salt Lake City, UT, USA
My headcanon is that the Reapers were still -- in a twisted sense -- fulfilling the function the Leviathans created them for: to preserve organic life against conquest/destruction by synthetics and to ensure the continuation of the Leviathan society.
They saw themselves as the Leviathan society so as long as they themselves didn't change, that was a solid "check". For organics, they solved the problem by periodically "uplifting" the worthy and destroying their material presence when enough time had passed to make it sufficiently likely that a new hostile machine race would have evolved. They likely even tinkered with each cycle a little to guarantee such a machine race existed in order to satisfy harvesting permission criteria / make it easier to explain to the organic races.
The Relay system and distribution of eezo would have thus been designed by the Leviathans to preserve themselves against upstart younger races, and the Reapers would continue the practice and refine it as a result of observing the tech advances each cycle had produced and "Borging it up" by integrating those advances into themselves.
But the Reapers themselves do not do research, they do not do colonization, they do not do personal development. They're a governing system, not a culture.
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The Reapers are, quite literally, the "Great Filter" as some science fiction authors and theoreticists of the past imagined it. The universe is titanic in size, life exists, and presumably is therefore neither unique nor rare in an absolute sense. As a consequence, life should exist in lot of places, yet we have never seen hints of any intelligent (or really any) life outside of our own world's. The question asked: so where are they? The hypothetical answer given: something is purposefully destroying space-faring civilizations before they can ever reach us, or we them.
It's a rather paranoid idea and not one that is widely believed, but it is of course exactly what applies here. Of course, in this case, organics are only destroyed as something of a side effect to preventing the widespread occurrence of artificial intelligence, so it's not exactly the same, but it also explains why the Reapers do not find a better way to reproduce: they don't actually want to. Reproducing is an incidental effect of filtering the galaxy, it is not the goal.
It's a rather paranoid idea and not one that is widely believed, but it is of course exactly what applies here. Of course, in this case, organics are only destroyed as something of a side effect to preventing the widespread occurrence of artificial intelligence, so it's not exactly the same, but it also explains why the Reapers do not find a better way to reproduce: they don't actually want to. Reproducing is an incidental effect of filtering the galaxy, it is not the goal.
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- Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Given their original role as a defensive system made by the Leviathans, reproducing more is actually contrary to their purpose -- they have a design function and the greater the rate of reproduction the higher the risk of mutation of operant values. So they limit themselves in order to remain "pure".
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- The general area. Possibly behind you.
sPACE nAZI sQUID!
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- Salt Lake City, UT, USA
If the sieg hails, you can punch it in the spacedick.
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I personally got the impression that while the Reapers consider their hard-coded duties paramount, they also see it as a bit of a moral imperative to preserve the civilizations they cull in some form, if only that of a new Reaper. Walking the tightrope of "this much, but no more" is exactly the kind of compromise I would expect an organically-sourced synthetic intelligence to make when its awareness of what it is doing and its inherent need to do what it was designed for cause some kind of inner or moral conflict.
they might answer the lesser form of the Fermi Paradox in their universe, but they still don't solve the Dyson Dilemma.
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Honestly, both the Fermi Paradox and the Dyson Dilemma, as with all hypotheticals that ultimately arise from the Drake Equation (and what a ass-pull that one is) are easily shown as fundamentally flawed and invalid by the same and very simple rebuttal: "clearly, then, some of the assumptions it is making must be wrong."
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- The general area. Possibly behind you.
It entirely omits the problem of the Giant Space Goat for a start. Without taking that into account, you'll never come to any sensible conclusion.
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- Beyond the Unknowable Veil
No, it all becomes clear when you realize that a Lizard Did It.
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- Neptune
Damn those Gorn.No, it all becomes clear when you realize that a Lizard Did It.
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- On the sofa. (Probably)
He did have a factor for that in the first version but he couldn't get that one published and thus dropped it so that more people would read and be able to argue over his equation.If nothing else, the Drake Equation fails to take into account how many children of the Great A'Tuin are sculling their way through the cosmos.
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Cheshire
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- Neko City
Everyone knows it's 7a... you know, the number between 7 and 9. The cubed number? 4+4.If nothing else, the Drake Equation fails to take into account how many children of the Great A'Tuin are sculling their way through the cosmos.
Don't say it or you'll be eaten.
Ace Dreamer
Verified Reality User
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- Between The Unknown & The Known
I thought the whole point was to prevent it sneezing, too much?
As for all the Space Turtles, I believe I've said before that I like the Steady Gait theory...
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