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The dimension in question which the Crotalids use in their shifts is The Warp. Not something to be messed with.
In The Grim Darkness Of The 41st Millennium, Nobody Beats G.I. Joe!
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darkstarling
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Earth's warp is more stable thanks to the Egyptian pantheon and Equestria's help.
In any case they don't actually know that,
they don't know how it works. And what Crotalids do is different enough from both normal starship propulsion and normal sorcery that there's likely some other principles involved.
Even if it's 'the Warp doesn't care about animal minds' keep in mind that's not a hard limit. Finding a way to temporarily turn everyone on Earth into an animal is well within the bounds of GI Joe superscience.
edit: heck, just make them MENTALLY an animal for a bit with some kind of Feralizer compound. It'll wear off shortly - well enough for a planetary evacuation.
Or, hear me out - make something like Eldar Soul Stones, suspend life functions for everyone on Earth while their souls are protected, and send a planet of temporary corpses through the Warp to be revived!
"We'll call that plan Z(tertiary)."
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That actually doesn't sound like the setup for many horror movies, because it's not goofy enough for the comedy ones and too aggressively obvious for the rest.
...Of course, if the end result is a bunch of demon-possessed corpses pop out in a place where demons are weak and get counter-possessed by the original owners of the bodies, now you're into 'just crazy enough' territory...
darkstarling
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That's exactly what the Soul Stones were for!
And they are enticing targets by the Daemons of Chaos. Soul Stones are not the solution, they are just metaphorical tin cans of food for them.
darkstarling
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Curse you to kitty hell! Clearly the sororitas have done her soul more damage than we imagined, she's a monster!
Our armor has heads up display right? Time for an auto-referencing system of all imperial texts we've got so you know what they're talking about, and notes to yourself.
For example there's a bit in Ciaphus Cain where someone is quote mining and he disapproves. Something about the path of duty being a tough and thorny one to justify an atrocity, and Cain completing the quote 'made easier by care for others'. That's the kind of thing a fast reference system would help us with.
Our armor has heads up display right? Time for an auto-referencing system of all imperial texts we've got so you know what they're talking about, and notes to yourself.
For example there's a bit in Ciaphus Cain where someone is quote mining and he disapproves. Something about the path of duty being a tough and thorny one to justify an atrocity, and Cain completing the quote 'made easier by care for others'. That's the kind of thing a fast reference system would help us with.
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Speaking of which, if G.I. Joe meet Jurgan, will they feel something off from him considering his Blank nature or believe that he's more dangerous than he appears to be for a supposed low ranking soldier who is always with the so-called HERO OF THE IMPERIUM?
I'd guess they'd notice he's a blank, based on the description that Ironsides gives about it. That said, Jurgan IS quite competent. Might actually be a Joe tier driver, based on some of the crazy stuff he's done.
darkstarling
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He's definitely Joe Tier even without being a blank yeah.
I'm guessing they notice the stink and also get a bit paranoid about him.
So, I finally decided to read this, and wanted to comment on this:
1) The slightly more idealistic possibility is that in the beginning of the Imperium, the Emperor and/or Malcador banned it on moral grounds. Strange to hear, I know, but they did have *some* compared to the Imperium of today.
2) The more cynical possibility is that, since the direct harvesting method is cheaper and easier, it's a form of control. It helps price rejuvenation outside of the means of those lower down, while the groups who control it(not all belonging to the Adeptus Mechanicus) have power and influence thanks to owning these 'vital' but expensive labs/operations.
I imagine it could easily be both, though, even from the beginning. It's a rare case where being both moral and ethical can coexist with being a ruthless fascist. What fun! /sarcasm
Funnily enough, this is one case where the horrible option is actually illegal, and not just local illegal either, it's Imperial Law illegal, meaning violators get the Arbites coming down on them. I have two possible explanations for this:
1) The slightly more idealistic possibility is that in the beginning of the Imperium, the Emperor and/or Malcador banned it on moral grounds. Strange to hear, I know, but they did have *some* compared to the Imperium of today.
2) The more cynical possibility is that, since the direct harvesting method is cheaper and easier, it's a form of control. It helps price rejuvenation outside of the means of those lower down, while the groups who control it(not all belonging to the Adeptus Mechanicus) have power and influence thanks to owning these 'vital' but expensive labs/operations.
I imagine it could easily be both, though, even from the beginning. It's a rare case where being both moral and ethical can coexist with being a ruthless fascist. What fun! /sarcasm
Finished Rogue Trader yesterday - rogue trader Bifrost von Valancius curb-stomped the Word Bearers, brought peace and prosperity (and a measure of compassion and freedom largely unheard of in Imperium) to the Koronus Expanse, broke the teeth of a Drukhari Cabal, managed some shockingly peaceful relations with the Asuryani, earned a Harlequin Solitaire's respect, had a star-crossed romance with her Asuryani girlfriend, got a Sister Of Battle and an unsanctioned psyker to become friends, got the local pirate organization to purge the Chaos cultists in its ranks, destroyed the local Necron Tomb Worlds, raised her C'tan shard son to be a good person, and broke free of the Imperium.
Unrelatedly, a couple fun facts:
1)Typically, on Cavitus, people in the lower hives work 15-hour shifts every day, except for 5 planetary holidays. Following the advice of experts from Organitron (and to a lesser extent Kiboutan), Cadencio, as part of his "New Cadence" reform program, is running "experiments" in the hive-city of Ciudad. There's this one level where they only work 12-hour shifts. There's one level where they work the same shift, but every 10th day is a day of rest. There's a level with shorter shifts and days of rests - lucky bastards.
(On the upper hives, people typically work 10-hour shifts, with 20-30 days of rest a year. Cadencio's working on that, too.)
2)When I was trying to decide on the rare mineral the AdMech was mining on Lamedor lands, I briefly considered Francium. Not just for the pun! It's one of the rarest elements in the universe.
Sadly, that can't happen, for the exact same reason Francium is one of the rarest elements in the universe: It has a half-life of 22 minutes. Francium mines are thus a nonsensical impossibility.
...The fact that I used real science to decide on a plot point in a G.I. Joe/Warhammer 40,000 crossover probably tells you a lot about what the hell is wrong with me.
Unrelatedly, a couple fun facts:
1)Typically, on Cavitus, people in the lower hives work 15-hour shifts every day, except for 5 planetary holidays. Following the advice of experts from Organitron (and to a lesser extent Kiboutan), Cadencio, as part of his "New Cadence" reform program, is running "experiments" in the hive-city of Ciudad. There's this one level where they only work 12-hour shifts. There's one level where they work the same shift, but every 10th day is a day of rest. There's a level with shorter shifts and days of rests - lucky bastards.
(On the upper hives, people typically work 10-hour shifts, with 20-30 days of rest a year. Cadencio's working on that, too.)
2)When I was trying to decide on the rare mineral the AdMech was mining on Lamedor lands, I briefly considered Francium. Not just for the pun! It's one of the rarest elements in the universe.
Sadly, that can't happen, for the exact same reason Francium is one of the rarest elements in the universe: It has a half-life of 22 minutes. Francium mines are thus a nonsensical impossibility.
...The fact that I used real science to decide on a plot point in a G.I. Joe/Warhammer 40,000 crossover probably tells you a lot about what the hell is wrong with me.
I call this as... Bifrost's Bizarre Adventures.
Nah, you're doing great and your crossover story is awesome and mind blowing that stands out in its own right. Plus it's not everyday it features anti-Imperium stance of our protagonists from another world and they have the power to stand up to them than fall in line.The fact that I used real science to decide on a plot point in a G.I. Joe/Warhammer 40,000 crossover probably tells you a lot about what the hell is wrong with me.
darkstarling
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Bifrost von Valancius sounds excellent. Also it's by the same people who wrote Wrath of the Righteous, so I assume the story is very well told. Seriously, there are bits of that story arc that always make me tear up.
"They're mining... Francium."
"Yep."
"The stuff with a 22 minute half life."
"Yep."
"How? Why? HOW?!?"
"Apparently they're using some kind of archeotech nuclear stasis beams. Stabilizes it to a half life of decades, and no we have no idea how. With travel times being what they are it's still ruinously wasteful, but apparently it's really useful stuff if you can get it to stick around."
"I mean that's all well and good, but where is it all coming from?"
"They don't know to ask, and frankly I'm afraid to."
Personally my bet is on toxic waste leaking from some ancient buried technological monstrosity or other, losing stabilization outside of the initial machinery and being restabilized (poorly) by the miners.
"They're mining... Francium."
"Yep."
"The stuff with a 22 minute half life."
"Yep."
"How? Why? HOW?!?"
"Apparently they're using some kind of archeotech nuclear stasis beams. Stabilizes it to a half life of decades, and no we have no idea how. With travel times being what they are it's still ruinously wasteful, but apparently it's really useful stuff if you can get it to stick around."
"I mean that's all well and good, but where is it all coming from?"
"They don't know to ask, and frankly I'm afraid to."
Personally my bet is on toxic waste leaking from some ancient buried technological monstrosity or other, losing stabilization outside of the initial machinery and being restabilized (poorly) by the miners.
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How the heck is the entirety of the planet's workers not dead from overwork and lack of population replenishment.
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The thing to watch out for is people revolting once they are no longer crushed too much to think. Detransitioning from a dictatorship without getting an uprising is a tricky business.
The thing with 40k is there's a sliding scale of 'plausible' and 'canon' because the two are WILDLY contradictory
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… could you elaborate on that? Because I rarely even see fanfic get so bold and insane, much less an established property.
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My presumption was leftover alloys from a long destroyed vessel. Like a War In Heaven era vessel whose hull denatured into stable francium, and that geological forces over the last 60 million years just crushed it into "ore veins". Or some long extinct civilization transmuted (whether via warp or nuclear fusion) some asteroids into stable francium, and then time did its thing. Though, since it is being mined, that likely means it is an ore. And instead could just be a quirky ore that somehow stabilizes francium. Canonically, already have one planet in the Calixis Sector (the sector the Koronus Expanse technically lies within/near) that has a naturally occurring metal that when worked properly can turn vibrations into electrical discharges. Gauntlets and flails that are as good as arbites shock mauls, from a Feudal World that only has pre-renaissance steel-working otherwise.
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Haven't played, but there's a character who show up if you make specific choices who is pretty transparently a baby C'Tan. Once you beat the big bad - an actual C'Tan - their fate changes based on what you teach them, from secret ally of humanity to Guardian of Koronus against reactionary Imperials to Servant of Chaos.
Yes, you can make a Chaos C'Tan. This is as terrifying as it sounds.
Yesterday, I...worked on my yard some. But all the rest of that is on my list for the weekend!
Piezoelectric materials are real, so that's a bit less wacky than a mineral that suspends nuclear decay!
Not that I'd blink at the latter in 40K.
Like I said, I ultimately decided against having there be francium mines.
But if there's one thing I totally respect this game for, it's that when it came to its karma meter, it went "this is how you act like an evil heretic, this is how you act like a good Imperium citizen, and this is how you act like an actual good person". It's why this quest has "Iconoclast" as a tag. XD
But, generally speaking, the lower hive workers live short, work-filled lives, producing a whole bunch of kids along the way (no available forms of contraception), of which an average of two will live long enough to have kids on their own. The luckier workers, when decades of hard work in unsanitary conditions have eroded their health past their ability to do useful work, get taken care of by their surviving kids in their twilight years (i.e. their late forties or fifties).
It's been whispered to King Cadencio that, if he forces the nobles of the planet to grant the lower class some room to breath, it'll only be a matter of time before the lower class demands full-on non-terrible treatment... and that by that point, they'll be very supportive of a reformist King who is willing to revoke more and more of the nobility's privileges. Though of course, that's a dangerous game to play.
I would argue that of the three Owlcat games, Rogue Trader is better than Kingmaker (which I liked), and Wrath of the Righteous is the best of the three.
But if there's one thing I totally respect this game for, it's that when it came to its karma meter, it went "this is how you act like an evil heretic, this is how you act like a good Imperium citizen, and this is how you act like an actual good person". It's why this quest has "Iconoclast" as a tag. XD
Keep in mind, I basically used real-life sweatshops as inspiration here.
But, generally speaking, the lower hive workers live short, work-filled lives, producing a whole bunch of kids along the way (no available forms of contraception), of which an average of two will live long enough to have kids on their own. The luckier workers, when decades of hard work in unsanitary conditions have eroded their health past their ability to do useful work, get taken care of by their surviving kids in their twilight years (i.e. their late forties or fifties).
Inquisitor Hammerland would agree! ...And for once, he'd be right. That's absolutely a thing to watch out for.
It's been whispered to King Cadencio that, if he forces the nobles of the planet to grant the lower class some room to breath, it'll only be a matter of time before the lower class demands full-on non-terrible treatment... and that by that point, they'll be very supportive of a reformist King who is willing to revoke more and more of the nobility's privileges. Though of course, that's a dangerous game to play.
All the spoilers: The game's plot involves a Lord-Inquisitor getting his hand on the tomb where a C'tan shard is being imprisoned, and going "I'mma gonna use some heretek work to shackle this thing and have it serve the Imperium". The Rogue Trader protagonist gets their hands on a fragment that was, in the process, broken away from the shard, and gets to effectively raise it - most likely to follow the Rogue Trader's own ideology. In the Secret Ending, the fragment merges with and takes over the rest of the C'tan shard.
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Yeah, it's nice to see an official work show that being a good person in the 41st millennium isn't impossible, that you can do the right thing, even if it isn't easy.
Also the fact that they didn't go the easy route of having everyone instantly claim heresy with no evidence and instead have the running gag of the Iconoclast Valancius making everyone so fucking confused.
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Nice to see that you did an iconoclast run. The one LP that I had started following (and then dropped) said he was going to do a mix of iconoclast and dogmatic but very quickly veered into 95% dogmatic which was just boring. That and he handed the psyker over to the Inquisition the very first chance he could.
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According to the data Owlcat released Dogmatic runs were far and away the most popular, followed by Heretical runs then with a distant third Iconoclast runs. That wasn't exactly what I expected, but it doesn't surprise me on further thought. The fan-base of Warhammer 40k always surprises me with the level of Imperial dickriding they are willing to throw down.
As a question for you sun tzu, is Rouge Trader a game which can be played by someone with very little free time? Even with COVID research winding down I have been running 70+ hour work weeks for the past five years and don't expect that to change any time soon, but have really liked what I've seen from Rouge Trader.
As for the mining question, could I recommend Alexandrite. While as a gemstone it is already valuable, there has been some stunning research soon to be publiclly released about its effectiveness as a lens for lasers. As a chrysoberyl variant it has very similar multi-spectrum properties to diamond, but lacks diamonds fracture lines and prism mineral structure and so can actually be cut into focusing lenses. So you get all the strength and power of a rainbow laser, or a laser beam containing all spectrums of light, without needing to artificially grow extremely precise diamond lenses in 0G. I imagine that while the Imperial Guard would never receive a rainbow laser, the Mechanicus would love to have some nicer laser weapons for their Tech Guard/Skitarii.
If you already have a plan for what they are mining though then don't worry, just a thought I thought I share.
*shrugs* It took me about 168 hours to finish playing, but I'm a completionist and a save-scummer.
As for what they're mining, I believe I've already mentioned here and there that they're mining praseodymium.