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(HP) A Girl and Her Book

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[X] (House) Ravenclaw
[X] (Motivation) Due to certain traits such as an Eidetic memory and being a bookworm Ravenclaw would be rather fitting as well as the presence of Luna. Though at the same time Gryffindor is where many previous Weasley's have ended up in. Plus there's a chance members of the house could know of a variety of items that others might not due to such factors like being eccentric or what could otherwise be rather unusual interests that could be of potential interest. The possible competitiveness of some house mates could also have the potential to drive yourself to further progress. Whether it be through a form of competition or working together who knows what could be learned and gained. Some members of the house could even potentially be able to help both your own wanderlust and know more about the world. Perhaps there's even some who know other lores as well? Those who are eccentric could help your imagination and perhaps even assist in developing your own techniques.
-[X] A tiiiiny part of it is that, well, you want to see the look on your brothers' faces when they see a Weasley get sorted outside Gryffindor. Plus just being any any of the other houses besides Gryffindor could make you stand out due to the difference.
 
[X] (House) Slytherin
[X] (Motivation) The ambition to prove that your family deserves to stand as tall as any other and that you personally can overcome whatever challenges put before you. Getting the chance to outshine those who have always looked down upon you in their own house doesn't hurt. Ravenclaw would be more comfortable -- it's an obvious fit for your proclivities-- but Slytherin would push you to be the best you can by simple necessity
 
Realistically I think we would do better in Slytherin than Ravenclaw long term, what with having a piece of the soul of their most infamous recent Alumni in our bag. The thing to keep in mind about Ravenclaw is that they are more than 'the smart people House'. The entire point of Hogwarrts is to be a school, that is to say make the students smarter, the question is how.

I know it is easy to think that Ravenclaw will be easier since we would not be a Weasely in the proverbial snake pit, but we actually have more examples of Ravenclaws bullying other Ravenclaws than any other House. Both Myrtle and Lune were in that House and both of them did not come out well for it. By contrast Slyterins are at least outwardly united and so we could keep any power plays behind closed doors if we are careful.
 
also people keep bringing up Luna for Ravenclaw. and while yes it is likely she ends up there and does so in canon Ginny wouldn't actually be certain of that yet. like she can probebly assume as much but it isn't a sure thing yet.

anyway i think the vote is open for 2 more hours iirc. and it seems like a very close thing between slytherin and ravenclaw
 
Yeah, Luna is not the typical Ravenclaw. I don't think Ginny would assume that Luna would automatically be going there.
 
Rovos said:
also people keep bringing up Luna for Ravenclaw. and while yes it is likely she ends up there and does so in canon Ginny wouldn't actually be certain of that yet. like she can probebly assume as much but it isn't a sure thing yet.

anyway i think the vote is open for 2 more hours iirc. and it seems like a very close thing between slytherin and ravenclaw
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The sorting is done in alphabetical order canonically, L comes before W so it might make sense in the scene, but if Luna gets sorted somewhere else either do to AU elements or a different Ginny/PC the Hat is going to be really confused. I mean, theoretically the order and method of sorting might change in this AU, and there is no sorting Hat at all and Ginny is the first to wrestle a troll. I really should read the notes under the update.
 
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MossPiglet said:
The sorting is done in alphabetical order canonically, L comes before W so it might make sense in the scene, but if Luna gets sorted somewhere else either do to AU elements or a different Ginny/PC the Hat is going to be really confused. I mean, theoretically the order and method of sorting might change in this AU, and there is no sorting Hat at all and Ginny is the first to wrestle a troll.
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i mean the scene is us talking about what house we want to be in on the train. not the sorting itself so it wouldn't make sense
 
Rovos said:
i mean the scene is us talking about what house we want to be in on the train. not the sorting itself so it wouldn't make sense
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The text underneath mentions the Sorting Hats decision, which means the thoughts at that time are voted on. At least that's my interpretation of the vote. This is probably the last time the thread is asked before Ginny is sorted , so if Luna factors into her decision thoughts on the houses, now is probably the time to vote for that. Could still backfire should Luna be sorted elsewhere.
 
MossPiglet said:
Could still backfire should Luna be sorted elsewhere.
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She had been fooling us the entire time, Luna has an ambition, she would stop the phoenix conspiracy, whatever it takes, Slytherin is the only place she can find allies in, Fawkes already compromised the other houses, Slytherin is the last stronghold.
 
ROTH963 said:
Personally, I want her to be more willing to use questionable magic from the start, I don't want to wrestle with her upbringing arguing that dark magic is bad, I want to play a budding dark lady, and installing some Slytherin values like ambition, cunning and the importance of power seem like good things to do.

Likewise, blurring her morals will make things convenient later on, if we become good enough to kidnap death eaters from their home and killing them before Voldemort returns, I would tell Ginny to go for it, I want her to be pragmatic in her methods, because damm, Harry using disarming charm all the time was face palming worthy.
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I mean, I get the idea? But that is exactly the thing I wanted to avoid. "X goes to Hogwarts and runs into Slytherin with open arms while throwing out dark curses all over the place" just screams a fanfic that is trying way too hard to be cool, dark, and edgy, and is probably going to suffer for it. Made worse by the fact that since we didn't go with our extended family relationship, whatever reputable info we have on dark magic most likely comes our parents, who lost multiple siblings during the war, and whatever horror stories our brother sends us about what curses he found in tombs did.

I personally can't think of any reason why Ginny would IC be so into dark magic and thinking that it isn't bad from the start of the school year. Eventually? Once we've spent some time with our diary and people who do have IC reasons to think that to convince us? Sure, sounds fine, but an 11 year old from a big "light" family going to Hogwarts to learn dark magic and be "pragmatic" feels like it's just darkness for darkness' sake.
 
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The wiki I was looking at mentioned that Ravenclaw was accepting of people who would be considered weird. There was also mention of being quirky and unusual interests. Finally being willing to accept and celebrate the eccentric. So figured there might be some assumption that Luna might align to Ravenclaw?

Thats what I got from the page at least. Ravenclaw .
 
7th Hex said:
while throwing out dark curses all over the plac
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I doubt anything serious is actually learned before acceptable, before it I think it will be mostly theory and minor curses.

I also think dark arts might count horcrux creation and lichdom, which I think are cool and I want to try for, but those sound like things you will need at least EE for, if not O or higher, so a early start is important.
7th Hex said:
I personally can't think of any reason why Ginny would IC be so into dark magic and thinking that it isn't bad from the start of the school year.
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Creating early fascination in her is one of the reason I made my vote, we are still making her character, and she is already somewhat different than canon Ginny, I want her to be more different.
7th Hex said:
Sure, sounds fine, but an 11 year old from a big "light" family going to Hogwarts to learn dark magic and be 'pragmatic' feels like it's just darkness for darkness' sake.
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I don't actually plan to push completely that path, but I think her starting this way is more realistic than changing after less than a year.

I also still think that if we are too objectionable to Tom, he is going to try and kill us.

Being willing to learn without needing convincing sounds like something he will be less against.

It is more like planting seeds to make her more "dark" later, it seems more fun than arguing the merits of learning spells that allow you to melt people's bones to a little girl, which will be hard to say the least.

Plus, as a little kid, she is vulnerable to being edgy.
 
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Tempest Warden said:
The wiki I was looking at mentioned that Ravenclaw was accepting of people who would be considered weird. There was also mention of being quirky and unusual interests. Finally being willing to accept and celebrate the eccentric. So figured there might be some assumption that Luna might align to Ravenclaw?

Thats what I got from the page at least. Ravenclaw .
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One, Ginny doesn't even know how she will be Sorted. It seems to be a thing that parents don't tell their kids how they are Sorted.

Two, I'll take the events of canon over what a wiki says, and in canon the other Ravenclaws bullied Luna. They were the opposite of accepting.
 
ROTH963 said:
I doubt anything serious is actually learned before acceptable, before it I think it will be mostly theory and minor curses.

I also think dark arts might count horcrux creation and lichdom, which I think are cool and I want to try for, but those sound like things you will need at least EE for, if not O or higher, so a early start is important.
Creating early fascination in her is one of the reason I made my vote, we are still making her character, and she is already somewhat different than canon Ginny, I want her to be more different.
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It's not the dark magic itself I have a problem with, it's the fascination with it from an early age that strains my SoD. Non-canon Ginny or not, I really can't see a way that has her interested in dark magic without it feeling forced. If we had gone for the dark magic family option it would make sense, but we didn't and instead kept our ties with the rest of our family, meaning that we spent most of our life in a group that does not condone dark magic.

And even then, what information would we get on dark magic that would feed our fascination? What your younger brothers tell us is probably just scary stories like the Dementor, and Ginny knows that too. That leaves what we've overheard from our parents about the Wizarding War, and what Bill has told us in his letters. Molly lost both of her brothers to Death Eaters, a group that does tend to throw around dark magic without a care, so anything we hear from her is likely biased against it too. Bill sneaks us letters and gifts, so it's likely that he isn't censoring his letters about dark curses to our parents satisfaction, if at all, so we probably have a few gory details about their effects from him. For Ginny to be fascinated by dark magic in this environment means that she has to be the kind of person to hear about dark magic cast in almost the absolute worst light possible, and still think: "Yeah, that sounds amazing." At that point, we're shoving the idiot ball down the rest of the family's and Luna's throats to not notice that she is like that since none of the previous updates have them treat her really any different from canon yet.

ROTH963 said:
I don't actually plan to push completely that path, but I think her starting this way is more realistic than changing after less than a year.

I also still think that if we are too objectionable to Tom, he is going to try and kill us.

Being willing to learn without needing convincing sounds like something he will be less against.

It is more like planting seeds to make her more "dark" later, it seems more fun than arguing the merits of learning spells that allow you to melt people's bones to a little girl, which will be hard to say the least.

Plus, as a little kid, she is vulnerable to being edgy.
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1. Maybe, but is seems much more realistic to me to have Ginny start looking into dark magic after spending a year cut off from her anti-Death Eater family due to house rivalry, while talking with her diary and people who are pro-Death Eater, rather than having Ginny look into dark magic while in the midst of her very anti-Death Eater with no diary or other people to convince her.

2. Tom can't risk killing us unless he thinks that he can get to another willing host, so we should be safe, especially with Occlumency.

3. See above about my opinion on learning dark magic without convincing, and we're likely to end up against Tom one way or another, so I'm not particularly interested in playing along with him too much. And we can plant seeds of darkness without having her be actively enthused by the worst parts of dark magic.

4. Sure she could be, but I don't want to deal with edge for the sake of edge in this quest, so I'm going be pushing against it.
 
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the most straightforward path to dark magic for those who are interested in that is to keep pushing for studying eygptian magic imo
 
7th Hex said:
meaning that we spent most of our life in a group that does not condone dark magic.
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It could also be case of her nature, Voldemort likely always would have had fascination with dark magic, a better upbringing might have resulted in a functional member of society, but the interest would always be there.

And Bill talking about the dangers of curses could have easily installed sense of wonder about their power, my vote focused on the lack of morals to magic, only on the morals of the wilders and the choice powerful magic provide, specifically combat magic (although magic in general also counts), a powerful curse could thus be seem as power over others you can have to do as you want, just like the death eater did and almost won with, only obviously without the whole racism thing in our case.
7th Hex said:
Tom can't risk killing us unless he thinks that he can get to another willing host, so we should be safe, especially with Occlumency.
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I am not exactly happy about out chances if he tried to possess us over a long period of time, Occlumency or not.
R2Walker said:
the most straightforward path to dark magic for those who are interested in that is to keep pushing for studying eygptian magic imo
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That racist lmao, liches are people too!
 
ROTH963 said:
It could also be case of her nature, Voldemort likely always would have had fascination with dark magic, a better upbringing might have resulted in a functional member of society, but the interest would always be there.

And Bill talking about the dangers of curses could have easily installed sense of wonder about their power, my vote focused on the lack of morals to magic, only on the morals of the wilders and the choice powerful magic provide, specifically combat magic (although magic in general also counts), a powerful curse could thus be seem as power over others you can have to do as you want, just like the death eater did and almost won with, only obviously without the whole racism thing in our case.
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Voldemort wasn't brought up by a family who had very bad experiences with dark magic and the people who wielded it either. My whole motivation write in was trying to convey that she was always interested in dark magic and power to some degree, she just tried to bury it because of how she was raised, but as you said the interest was always there.
a part of you that you've never been able to shut up has always craved the power
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And while magic doesn't have morals, people do, and I've already stated that I'd rather avoid needless darkness and not have Ginny character become an amoral edgelord who wants to hold power over everyone else, even if that was somehow never noticed before now by Luna and the rest of her family, for the sole reason of questers wanting to cast dark magic on people. If we're going to fall from grace and become a Dark Witch, we can at least try to have it happen due to in universe reasons.

ROTH963 said:
I am not exactly happy about out chances if he tried to possess us over a long period of time, Occlumency or not.
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Well, our Occlumency is bolstered by Seventh Child, we have Eidectic Memory to try to catch him if he changes anything to try to gaslight us, and there's always the option of dumping it somewhere like in canon.
 
I'm not even sure how corrupting or amoral the Dark Arts are in this universe(but I really want to). I'm not willing to jump straight into mutilating our soul after reading an instruction manual, but I would love to play as a character that is unwilling to rule out the use of certain branches of magic just because they are regarded as bad from the get go. Hell, even before learning more curses and using them I just want to read up on any and all magic we can get our grubby little hands on. But I really think that "I really want to use all the magic and am willing to learn" is an interesting starting point - even if it turns out that it corrupts your soul, and canon Ginny was walking near the abyss by casting her Bat-Bogey Hex that often already. In that case, good to know, let's still read up on the most known curses and how to counter them but otherwise let's not become as bonkers as Bellatrix or Crouch if using Dark Magic was the reason for their fall, instead of a symptom, when we know that Wizards like Flitwick or McGonagall (presumably) managed to be forces to be reckoned with while staying away from the darker aspects of magic.
 
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7th Hex said:
for the sole reason of questers wanting to cast dark magic on people.
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It is less about using that power over others than having it, at least with the motivation I have written, she is in it to choose what to do, and thinks that to do so power will be needed.
7th Hex said:
and there's always the option of dumping it somewhere like in canon.
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Personally, I would think one of the main goals of the quest is either keeping for as long as possible, or turning him, the second I think would be easier than expected, since he was trying to regain a body in canon, something that original Voldemort might be cross with.
 
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