Hive Keeper (Worm/DungeonKeeper/WFTO Alt!Power)
- Thread starter Ashkari
- Start date
- Crossover
Isn't that sock puppeting? Or am I wrong in the definition of sock puppets?
Ashkari
(Verified Ink-slinger)
- Location
- United States
1. This is explicitly against the rules as far as I'm aware.
2. Go to preferences and disable either 'thread starter replies to watched thread' or 'replies to watched thread' under the types of notifications you want. That's why you're getting emails about it. Turn that off and you should only get pinged when new threadmarks go up. I think, anyway.
Last edited:
- Location
- Greater Minneapolis Metro
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Or you could just create a story-only thread, if you don't mind the extra hassle. Those sometimes pop up in the "Archive" sub-forum.
- Pronouns
- Yes
That's a very misleading statement,
taking New Hampshire for example, there are laws that make attempting to get people to join an organization "Which has as one of its primary objectives or activities the commission of criminal activity"(which I'll note is rather difficult to prove), which has provably committed or attempted to commit one of a very short list of felonies a crime, and has being a member a valid reason for extended sentences if they're caught committing a crime, however
1)That applies only to a small subset of "criminal organizations" (although I'll grant it almost certainly applies to all three BB gangs).
2)It doesn't make mere membership in the organization a crime.
Cite please?
No, for several reasons. However if you wear the gang's signs/colors/etc (which I'll note isn't very healthy to do if you live in their area unless you're a member), then if you do get arrested, and assuming the gang fits the legal definition of a "street gang", you get "while being a member of a streed gang" tacked on to every charge, which adds many years to the potential sentence.
The fact is that Taylor does fit at least a 2 in pretty much every category.
Last edited:
They would also have to check the money for counterfeits, drug trafficking is one of the main entry points of counterfeit money into the economy.
Also, they have to know how much to tax her.
And that's the rub. Keep the money you take, buy one of those pens they use to check it and get what you need. Unlike Parian, they'll be there spying on her trying to figure out how her powers work so they can put limiters on everything she does including paying taxes.
Is she wrecking the economy by creating gold and jewelry? Can said gold and jewelry be declared illegal because it competes with other organizations? Any interest the government state, federal or local has in you is never a good thing.
Someone passed or tried to pass a counterfeit bill when I was working one of my first jobs I had to take the bill to the bank and fill out a questionnaire for the Secret Service so it just gets more involved the more you let people know about your powers.
Telling them was dumb as fuck, if my powers can make gold only me, myself and I are going to know about it.
STOP racing to tell them everything.
🤦♀️🤦♂️That sounds like a very specific family was targeted by that law due to somehow not being an issue simply being a "three person family illegally selling pistols" so they looked at somehow making an exception without doing so. Wouldn't surprise me to find out that part of that specific law is as old as American law gets.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
And that's the rub. Keep the money you take, buy one of those pens they use to check it and get what you need. Unlike Parian, they'll be there spying on her trying to figure out how her powers work so they can put limiters on everything she does including paying taxes.
Is she wrecking the economy by creating gold and jewelry? Can said gold and jewelry be declared illegal because it competes with other organizations? Any interest the government state, federal or local has in you is never a good thing.
Someone passed or tried to pass a counterfeit bill when I was working one of my first jobs I had to take the bill to the bank and fill out a questionnaire for the Secret Service so it just gets more involved the more you let people know about your powers.
Telling them was dumb as fuck, if my powers can make gold only me, myself and I are going to know about it.
STOP racing to tell them everything.
Considering Taylor went out of her way to note the unnaturalness of her gold coins, she rather can't wreck the economy. It would likely be considered counterfeit if she attempted to use it for purchasing anything; but since she'd rather have it on hand to fuel her power's growth, that's unlikely to be an issue at all.
- Location
- Russia
Yeah, no. That's the problem, I already have only 'email me when OP posts' which usually mails when OP adds chapter. If OP repeatedly posts arguing with someone, forum still sends me emails. I can either get all of them or none at all and miss updates. That's why I'm asking for something other than arguing with readers, which is useless anyway as you're author and your word is law in story. Or create story-only thread. Otherwise I'll have to unsub and probably forget about this story forever as I have many in backlog and only remember them due to email updates
- Location
- Canada
Or you could just disable email notifications, but leave SV alerts on. You can get alerts on this site without getting any emails at all. Then just check your SV alerts from time to time.Yeah, no. That's the problem, I already have only 'email me when OP posts' which usually mails when OP adds chapter. If OP repeatedly posts arguing with someone, forum still sends me emails. I can either get all of them or none at all and miss updates. That's why I'm asking for something other than arguing with readers, which is useless anyway as you're author and your word is law in story. Or create story-only thread. Otherwise I'll have to unsub and probably forget about this story forever as I have many in backlog and only remember them due to email updates
Ashkari
(Verified Ink-slinger)
- Location
- United States
Well it's a good thing her powers don't make gold then, isn't it?
Both I and others already pointed out to you that she doesn't. I *also* have Miss Militia directly mentioning to Taylor that she'd need to keep records of seized cash for tax purposes. Not to mention that not being mostly open with the government is a great way to get them to come looking. You think the PRT is just gonna sit back and be all 'Oh yeah, you've got a whole army's worth of parahuman-level minions but you can just keep your secrets, it's fine'?Pay attention before you go off on a rant, please.
Last edited:
The USA isn't on the gold standard, hasn't been for decades at this point, and Taylor's coins don't look like coins that are legal tender in the USA.
Unless she's dumping literal metric tons of gold onto the market every day she's not going to impact the gold market. She'd probably get arrested for some form of fraud if she drops her gold to purchase something and it disappears after a while, but that's a different matter.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Not true, she got them one third of the way to the Birdcage, the PRT gives villains chance but only so many of them, the 3 strikes rule, say if you get caught and escape 3 times, you have proven prison can't hold you, and so you will be sent to the Birdcage next time, there's exceptions to this rule of course, they wouldn't send a shoplifting cape to the Birdcage, no matter that they escaped custody a dozen times, so long as they have only done petty theft, but the Merchants aren't the type whose crimes are so minor, that they are an exception to the rule.
The 3 strikes rule, basically say that as the Birdcage is very final, and life with no parole is kind of an extreme punishment, you get 3 tries to either accept your sentence and not break out of prison, or to turn your life around, so you don't get arrested again after you escape, but if you keep being a villain, and keep proving prison can't hold you, you will be sent to the Birdcage, so capturing villains serve 2 very real purposes, 1 making them run out of strikes, 2 giving the Protectorate to pitch being a Probationary hero to them.
Taylor has caught the Merchant once, if we assume they haven't been caught by anyone else before, that mean they must be captured 3 times more(or 2 times, not sure if you get sent to the Birdcage on the 3th strike, or if the 3th strike is the last time, you don't get sent to the Birdcage) for them to be permanently gone, so this time don't change much, but if she keep capturing them, it will change things.
Or in other words, the 3 strikes rule, is the PRT saying, keep escaping from the nice prison, and we will have to send you to the not so nice one, but for them to say that, the villains must first be arrested, so they can go to the nice prison, and escape from it.
It's capturing the rank and file that's pretty much meaningless, it might get them off the street for a month or 2, until enough of the gangs members are in prison, that the capes think it's worth doing a breakout, but normal people can't be Birdcaged, so there's no limit to how many times a gang member can be broken out.
Do she actually not make gold at all? I mean that wand Uber and Leet got had gold on it, was that fake gold as well, or is there a chance for items she generate, to have real gold on them?Well it's a good thing her powers don't make gold then, isn't it?
Pay attention before you go off on a rant, please.
That nay be the way it is supposed to work, but in Canon, Hookwolf was sentenced to the Birdcage before Canon started, and had escaped the transport twice already.
In fact, before the Undersiders started screwing everything up for the other gangs, I don't think any capes stayed in jail more than a week or so.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Yeah but Hookwolf is from the gang with the most capes, is a very high level cape, and he was actually sentenced to the Birdcage, so Hookwolf just proves that you can escape even the PRT going hard on you, not that they don't try.
The system isn't perfect, you can escape more than 3 times, but after the third time, the PRT stop going easy on you when you attempt to escape, escape 1-3, you just get sent to a normal prison, after that, to escape you must either break out of the PRT holding cells, where there will be trained PRT troops and capes trying to prevent you from escaping, or escape the transport to the Birdcage, which will be escorted by capes.
There's never any guarantee a cape wont escape, but after the strikes are used up, the PRT genuinely try their best to prevent escapes.
Last edited:
- Location
- Canada
This is a topic from 7 months ago
That's definitely not how the 3 strikes works. We don't get the exact text, but we can presume it was some mix of convictions and crimes committed based on what the Judge in Canary's case said. It has nothing to do with number of times captured. To begin with capturing or arresting someone does not mean they committed or will be convicted of a crime, just that law enforcement thinks so and will try to argue it. But the 3 strikes rule was a vague and only sometimes adhered to mess, and it wasn't applied in anything like a consistent fashion in canon. Uber and Leet are an example that even Lisa brings up since they escaped jail more than 3 times, but there are plenty more. Maybe any cape who got into a fight with heroes 3 times could've been birdcaged for 3 counts of resisting arrest. The Undersiders should've been going after their third robbery. Or maybe after the bank since that was robbery, kidnapping and assault.
Obviously that never happened or there would've been closer to 80,000 people than 800 in the birdcage. And that would've been based on number of crimes committed which clearly wasn't all that mattered. Again we don't have the wording for it. But I can't find anything in canon to support your argument that it's about capture count, you've admitted you can't cite it, and there's quite a bit to argue against it.
None of this matters because Taylor still almost died for nothing. She wasn't protecting civilians, she wasn't in danger before interfering, and the merchants were barely more than nobodies at that time.
Meaningless. They still fought with PR in mind, didn't go for the kill even against enemies with high civilian kill counts, and didn't show any sign that "trying their best" suddenly made a difference.
---
On the latest chapter the conversation was good, but a bit disappointed Taylor got talked into going to the PRT so easily. Not expecting it to be terrible because author has already said it won't be grimderp and that the PRT won't be braindead but it was still a surprising and dangerous move on Taylor's part. Especially given her existing misgivings on how the PRT deals with masters. Just their admission that the PRT would knowingly let the exaggerated revenge ravings of a villain color their perception says bad things about them. Added to that, Taylor has been more than cooperative. She stayed for them which is more than many do, she asked about rules and procedures, she already described numerous aspects of her power, and the PRT now has multiple people in custody that they can test the results of her healing and stun powers on. Instead they're convincing her that her heroic act will be used to condemn her because her power is scary, unless she goes in and assuages all their fears. By giving up her secrets. While surrounded and isolated on an oil rig in the middle of the bay run by a woman that is generously described as hastily judgemental or reactionary. I'm not sure it's better or worse that Aegis truly thinks this is good for her.
Glad to see you're writing again!
Last edited:
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Um yes it do have something to do with the amount of times captured, or rather with the times escaped, Uber and Leet probably got away with extra escapes, due to the small time nature of their crimes, until Bakuda the worst they had done was beat up prostitutes, which of course is a rather evil crime, but is still small time compared to what most villains do, so they got some extra strikes, because they kept their crimes relatively minor, until Bakuda hired them.
The 3 Strikes rule being based on times escaped, is the only way the 3 strikes rule make sense.
Ashkari
(Verified Ink-slinger)
- Location
- United States
I would like to point out that this is true in canon as well, and Taylor's reaction there is literally only a quiet 'I almost died' to Armsmaster and later to herself a bare 'meh, it could've been worse'. She was a bit shaken, but not overly bothered. She was more bothered by the fact she'd have to go deal with school the next day than she was almost dying to Lung.
Last edited:
Do you have a cite for that? Because all I can find in Canon is three convictions and the belief of the judge that a particular parahuman is too dangerous to hold in even a Supermax prison.
Hence Uber and Leet not getting birdcaged, but Hookwolf did.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Sorry no site, but we do hear about the 3 strike rule, we also hear in the Canary trial, that a judge can choose to bypass it for particularly heinous crimes.
So it's either 3 crimes or you go to the Birdcage, or 3 prison escapes and you go to the Birdcage, considering that not every villain, who has been active for more than a month, are Birdcage bound, it's unlikely to be 3 crimes and you go to the Birdcage, which leave 3 escapes and you go to the Birdcage, I think I saw a quote of it somewhere, but I didn't save it, so all I have is my word and logic.
Not three crimes; three convictions. Those are two entirely different things.
I vaguely recall seeing Uber and leet discussing it in an older fanfic; that they had already been captured twice and it would be serious the next time, but that is Fanon, not Canon.
There is no Canon evidence that the number of escaped does anything.
Lung was only captured twice, went to the cage. Bakuda, same thing, captured once in Cornell, once in BB.
An escape or more may add to the evidence that you couldn't be held in a prison, but escapes are not a cause for the cage.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Lung and Bakuda fall under the exceptionally heinous crimes exception, that was wrongfully used on Canary, which mean how many strikes they had don't matter, killing hundreds and enslaving people with bombs in their heads, is the kind of thing that get a first time offender, sent right to the Birdcage.
You can only get convicted once you are captured, and I don't think you can get more than 1 strike at once, so it's still effectively based on number of captures, as being captured once, open you up for getting 1 strike, sure you aren't getting a strike if you're deemed innocent and let go, but it's still effectively 1 capture=1 strike.
Escapes aren't by itself a cause for the cage, it's the combination of doing crimes you can be convicted for, and then escaping your sentence, that cause you to accumulate strikes, if you actually serve your sentence, then you don't get a strike.