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Vox De Harlequin said:
You know, I'm reminded of that guy in Durara!.
The one who had an absurdly low threshold for that stuff and basically wrecked his body every time he got angry because his body just released those limits at the drop of a hat.
He basically accidentally 'training from hell'd himself until his body could handle the strain, so by the time of the series's start he was basically a monster, strength-wise.
Though he still had a terrible temper.
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I don't think we'll see anything approaching that level of effect absent some sort of magic, either from the fallen healing angel, or from some sort of increased vitality/ healing ritual, but he's still going to be stronger than he looks once his tendons can handle the strain.
 
Vaermina said:
Nobody knows, I suspect however it's some magic put in place by the same being or group that enchanted the Sun to burn Vampires.


They don't, only crosses work against Vampires in Buffy.
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Taziel seems to be indicating that in this fic it's actually some manner of faith that damages vampires.
Maybe it's not actual religious faith that does it?
it might be that it's the widespread belief that crosses and sunlight harm vampires.
The population assumed that would happen so it did, or there WAS a spell at some point but it was fueled by faith magic.

the wiki doesn't say anything about other religious symbols
(from Vampire under weaknesses: holy items)
"It was never specified whether holy symbols of religions other than Christianity had the same effect on vampires, or whether non-Christians turned vampire were unaffected by crosses"

The section on the new breed of vampires (post-new-Seed of Wonder) says something about their abilities being based on those of Dracula, because he was what the average person thought of when they considered vampires, so the general opinion of the populace has some kind of effect of what vampire-siring magic does, or maybe just on what undefined magic in general does.
 
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Also remember people, this is at least somewhat of a fusion, so just because something doesn't work a certain way in canon Buffy, it doesn't mean it can't work like that here.
 
One of my only real complaints with this is that Tazi knows Whistler.

I feel it gives her too much anchoring in the setting.

I also think she might be lying and that the deal with them talking was an illusion
 
thatguy said:
Taziel seems to be indicating that in this fic it's actually some manner of faith that damages vampires.
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Taziel is making statements based on her knowledge of how things work in Dresden.



Silverias said:
One of my only real complaints with this is that Tazi knows Whistler.
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The only one who says Taziel knows Whistler is Taziel.

And you can't trust Taziel given it's been proven she is making stuff up to sound knowledgeable and earn his trust.
 
Vaermina said:
it's been proven she is making stuff up
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Where and when did this happen, exactly?

I'd like to remind you all again that you are reading CROSSOVER FANFICTION, things don't have to work exactly the same as they did in either canon.
For example, THE FUCKING DENARIANS DON'T EXIST IN BUFFY, and neither does the nevernever.
Is this concept so hard to grasp?
All these people saying "But X doesn't exist in Buffy!" personally annoy me, since the only actual source of confirmed information we have comes from Hiver.
The two original series' canon can only allow slightly informed guesswork.

I'm sorry about posting this, but I really needed to just vent now before the annoyance becomes something more.
 
Vox De Harlequin said:
Where and when did this happen, exactly?
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Pretty constantly, I think I have in this thread pointed out each one I caught in fact.

I'd like to remind you all again that you are reading CROSSOVER FANFICTION, things don't have to work exactly the same as they did in either canon.
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As far as we know this is just some guy with a Denarian coin being dropped in Buffy by a ROB not a Fusion universe.

Remember Taizel is not an omniscient narrator.
 
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    • Sitting up I reached to put my glasses on, rubbing my forehead before I looked to the right, "Enough, Taziel. No more."

    "What do you mean, My Host?" She asked as she appeared kneeling on the bed next to me with a smile in her short little dress.

    I frowned at her, "Clearly my tactic of ignore the hell bitch and hope she goes away won't work. I know exactly what you are trying to do and I'm not buying what you're selling. So you and I are going to make a deal."

    She tilted her head, her red hair sliding across her shoulder, "Which sort of deal, my host?"

    "Here it is. You don't speak unless spoken to. You do not show yourself unless asked to. "You do what you are told. In return, I'll ask you for information when I need it if I think you have it."

    Taziel frowned at me, "That's not a very fair deal."

    "Don't like it? Then leave."

    "You know that's not possible."

    "Yeah, not my problem. Get the fuck out or pay rent. If you don't or break the deal, I'm going to contain your coin in two kilos of lead and then rent a boat to the deepest part of the ocean I can afford. Let's see how bullshit your one ring like 'find me' enchantment really is."

    Taziel winced, for a second looking like a kicked puppy before she nodded quietly, "...If that is your wish, my host, I will abide by our deal." she said before she looked up at me again as a black collar manifested around her slender neck.

    It had a medallion in front with her name engraved into it.

    It looked rather better on her than I would like to admit.

    "May I make a suggestion for a small modification, my host?" She asked quietly, "If you are walking into a ambush or are about to touch anything cursed or dangerous, may I warn you of danger? I don't want to die."

    I looked at her for a long moment before I nodded, "Deal. Now begone."

    Taziel sighed sadly and nodded, crossing her arms beneath her breasts, "As you wish, my host." before she disappeared. I shook my head with a frown before I got up to get dressed.

    Wonder what the number is for Hell's HR department? I really should give them a call with a sexual harassment complaint.

    Pulling my T-shirt on I got dressed before walking over to shoulder my backpack and head out the door. Time to grab something to drink and eat on the way back to the garage, then I need to see how Cain want to see us die today.


    XXXXXXXXXX


    As it turned out, it was a different kind of get us killed than normal that I experienced so far.
    "Take out a vampire nest. At night." Trip asked, "Cain, no offense, but is this not a bit early to be hitting the strong stuff?"

    Cain shook his head, "No choice, it's in suburbia. We can't hit it during the day or the cops will be on us like slime on a chaos demon. Three AM and maybe nobody'll notice."

    I put my hand up, "Quick question? Any specific reason we can't just drive by at noon, throw some molotov through the windows and make like a tree?"

    "Actually Saint has a point there, that's a good question." Princess said, "Why don't we do that?"

    "Money." King rumbled, "Can't loot it if it's burned down. Most of these gigs don't pay well on their own."

    Cain nodded, "The client offered us five k for this job. Any of you think that's enough to split seven ways? We're bound to get at least twice that from what we can find in the lair."

    One part each and one to replace equipment. Vampires use cash and usually keep jewelry from their victims.

    "Seven hundred and ten something bucks for half a hours of work sound fair to me." I said with a shrug, "Especially for the cost of some gas and bottles. I bet we can even get the bottles for free. Hell, I'll spring for the gas if you want."

    Cain tapped a finger on the hood of his truck for a moment looking around the group, "What we know is that there are five suckers in there. If they keep anyone around for food is unknown. They should have a bunch of more money in there that will go up in smoke if we burn the place down. But as Saint said, the risk is much smaller and we still get paid the amount the client offered. I think we can take them the normal way, especially now that we're back up to full strength. But let's put it to a vote. Normal plan or Saints. King?"

    The big guy looked thoughtful before he frowned, "Five vamps?"

    "That's what intel says. We'll do our own headcount during the days before. Maybe take one out before the attack if we can find it in a solitary spot."

    King slowly nodded, "Yeah, I think we can take them."

    "Trip?"

    "I'm in."

    "Lazarus?"

    She frowned and crossed her arms, leaning against the hood of her volvo, "...I don't know. I need the cash, but I think it's too much risk for too little extra. I have to go with Saint on this one, sorry boss."

    Princess shook his head, "Risky maybe, but it's five suckers. We can take them even if it's in the middle of the night. I'm in."

    Cain nodded, "So we go with the normal plan. We start scoping the place out tonight, Princess and I have the first shift, King and Trip the second. Lazarus and Saint on third."

    I nodded, "Got it."




    AN// Many thanks to PsyFarrow for betaing this section.
     
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    • Hiver said:
    "Yeah, not my problem. Get the fuck out or pay rent. If you don't or break the deal, I'm going to contain your coin in two kilos of lead and then rent a boat to the deepest part of the ocean I can afford. Let's see how bullshit your one ring like 'find me' enchantment really is."
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    If it was that easy the church would have done it centuries ago.

    It's more of a "Little Shop that wasn't there Yesterday" thing. You see the Fallen actually can use their reality manipulation powers to at least some extent inside the coins. But doing so grants the White God's servants a ticket for one direct interference equal in scale and effort to what the Fallen did. Which is why the only time you really see the Fallen pulling that sort of thing out is to get their coins out of a position where there is no chance of anyone ever locating it.

    Princess shook his head, "Risky maybe, but it's five suckers. We can take them even if it's in the middle of the night. I'm in."
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    Greedy idiots. :facepalm:
     
    A minor point -- the coins are those Fallen Lucifer did not allow into Hell, right? So is referring to her as hellbitch, hellspawn, etc, even accurate?

    The way the SI is acting, I'd describe as actively suicidal. Yeah, he talks a good game, all macho -- to something that can walk him out into traffic or convince him that the grizzly bear is actually the toilet, and he won't know the difference until he's already dying.

    If she's capital-E Evil, then she is guaranteed to be vengeful and cruel. Why do you want something like that to hate you AND have total control of your perceptions again? If she's not evil, then he is doing an awesome job of convincing her that HE is evil -- and it would do the world a favor if he were not in it.

    Either way, between making terrible decisions just to spite her and being a total asshole, the best summary I have for him at this time is is: actively suicidal. Given that his goal is to survive and stay human, he's not off to a very good start.
     
    How did people on this thread go from 'She's evil and should not be trusted' to 'She's a good Fallen Angel and Hiver is being the evil one'?.
     
    I'm still of the "She's super bad news and any interaction is bad" mindset, but desperate times and all.
     
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