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Doomgye was a good choice for pure demon killing power from what everyone is saying.

That said i know absolutely nothing about the gye. I would have taken Gerald (the witcher), or his teacher. Not only do they have a huge range of monster hunting skills but they also have practical knowledge of magic and they know how I might become a Witcher myself at a later point.

The problem i suppose is my knowlege of buffy doesnt tell me how transferable crossover magic is. Taking a pure magic build would be useless if all thier skills are useless once the session ends.
 
LeibnizKeks said:
Language evolves less quickly since people began being literate and started writing things down.
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Hmm, I'm not convinced by this. Mostly because it's very hard to investigate the the historic development of language of people who can't write. Like, do you see the problem? And while it seems plausible that writing down language would fix it to a degree, you could also say that broader availability of texts will in fact spur on development with loan words and so on.

And saying the internet stopped the development of language is just so demonstrably wrong. In fact, I'm sure that language has never been changing more rapidly.
 
I like where this is going. :)

Never read the Dresden Files, just a few fics, but doesn't being host to one of the Fallen cause an immediate SINNER verdict regardless of how you lived? Seems like there's no real reason to try and refuse to cooperate really, it's either:
A: A miserable life of constant resistance at best, and risk the fallen managing to burn you out somehow and make you a meat puppet at worst, only to die and go to hell for being a host. or
B: Cooperate, try for partnership, and at least enjoy what mortal life you have left, then go to hell for being a host.

Moving on... Somehow I don't think Doom Guy is likely to care too much about what happened to that note that briefed him on the situation. And Hiver seems rather distracted. Whats the odds that note is still pinned to the wall just waiting for Giles to discover it?
 
....out of all the guys to summon into a realm overloaded with demons, a realm where even the powers that be are demons, you summon the guy who was so powerful so feared that Hell dropped a temple on him and it only made him angrier.

Wow, you're really dumb Hiver's insert character! Hope you like having everyone in the damn universe wanting to find and kill you because you made them THAT afraid of the demon killing guy who kills demons! Fuck, honestly surprise you didn't wake up on the other side of hte Hellmouth!
 
BurnNote said:
Hmm, I'm not convinced by this. Mostly because it's very hard to investigate the the historic development of language of people who can't write. Like, do you see the problem? And while it seems plausible that writing down language would fix it to a degree, you could also say that broader availability of texts will in fact spur on development with loan words and so on.

And saying the internet stopped the development of language is just so demonstrably wrong. In fact, I'm sure that language has never been changing more rapidly.
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You could look at cultures that have low but non-zero levels of literacy. The strength of the hypothetical fixation would be proportional to the amount of writing people use.
 
daemonkeeper said:
Doomgye was a good choice for pure demon killing power from what everyone is saying.

That said i know absolutely nothing about the gye. I would have taken Gerald (the witcher), or his teacher. Not only do they have a huge range of monster hunting skills but they also have practical knowledge of magic and they know how I might become a Witcher myself at a later point.

The problem i suppose is my knowlege of buffy doesnt tell me how transferable crossover magic is. Taking a pure magic build would be useless if all thier skills are useless once the session ends.
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I think the real problem is that most demon slayers in fiction have something other than skills to help them survive. Doomguy has his Armor and weapons (and that demon energy crap), and Witchers have mutagens and magic that likely doesn't exist in Buffyverse.

I'd probably have gone with Van Helsing (the original guy not the one from the Anime) or someone who would otherwise be a baseline human with skills I could train up.

After all I don't see this SI ripping demons in half with power armor clad hands, which makes most of what he got from Doomguy kinda useless, since getting his hands on any of those weapons is as likely as him getting the armor.
 
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BurnNote said:
Hmm, I'm not convinced by this. Mostly because it's very hard to investigate the the historic development of language of people who can't write. Like, do you see the problem? And while it seems plausible that writing down language would fix it to a degree, you could also say that broader availability of texts will in fact spur on development with loan words and so on.

And saying the internet stopped the development of language is just so demonstrably wrong. In fact, I'm sure that language has never been changing more rapidly.
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It's very hard to study this type of thing since widespread literacy is a pretty recent phenomenon. Also there has been a recent increase in need for newer words with every technological or scientific discovery and for many other things. Plus better education and especially language education creates new loan words so there has been a lot of linguistic change recently.

The idea that language change slowed because of literacy is legitimate but not very well researched or supported, I was just clarifying what Baughn said. I don't have an opinion because I have no clue what I'm talking about.

Language is a complicated subject and I'm hardly and expert so please don't take my word anything I'm saying.

All that said: I can read and understand something written a hundred years ago just fine so I don't think Doomguy would have any trouble with our English.
 
if he retained even a little of the Doom Slayers skills it might have been worth it, but the price is quite a bit of mental trauma. If it is the Doom Slayer from the new Doom 2016 he will have hundreds of years of memories of brutal combat and killing demons...
i think having Taziel keeping a lid on those memories might be a necessity or he might go off the deep end....
 
Baughn said:
Not really surprising. We can read English from a hundred years ago without issue, and the language has nearly stopped changing since the advent of the Internet et al.
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Actually, you would be reading repeatedly updated English. Olde English is another language. Heck, try to get an orginal transcript of Shakespeare's plays and you modern English speakers will only be able to recognize every third word.
 
Dur'id the Druid said:
Actually, you would be reading repeatedly updated English. Olde English is another language. Heck, try to get an orginal transcript of Shakespeare's plays and you modern English speakers will only be able to recognize every third word.
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Shakespeare's plays are also much more than a hundred years old. A hundred years ago is early Lovecraft, who is difficult to read, but not because the language has changed significantly.
 
Dur'id the Druid said:
Actually, you would be reading repeatedly updated English. Olde English is another language. Heck, try to get an orginal transcript of Shakespeare's plays and you modern English speakers will only be able to recognize every third word.
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Did so in Senior English literature in highschool, it wasn't too hard and I'm a redneck

Skelm said:
Shakespeare's plays are also much more than a hundred years old. A hundred years ago is early Lovecraft, who is difficult to read, but not because the language has changed significantly.
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Haven't read Lovecraft yet, just haven't been in the mood
 
LeibnizKeks said:
lol - 30 years ago
wtf - 30 yrs
yu - obvious distortion of you
newb - was used as early as the 1850's but the current form comes from the 1960's

These words are not particularly new.
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Granted, but they have become much more widespread. Or, take 'salty' which has exploded about a year ago. That's still change, in quantity if not quality.
Skelm said:
You could look at cultures that have low but non-zero levels of literacy. The strength of the hypothetical fixation would be proportional to the amount of writing people use.
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It's an option, but extrapolating is really difficult, because these things are complex, non-linear systems.
 
@Hiver Doomguy interlude? Pretty please? :D

I know it would be short, because the dude got that shit done in like a minute tops, but it would still be highly amusing!

It's a shame some of the knowledge and skills will be wasted since the SI lacks the same weapons, armor, and insane strength as the Doomguy. Something to work towards fixing!
 
girador said:
So one of the things i like to do with the buffy 'verse is figuring out how i would go about trying to survive Sunnyhell. Looking at Hivers costume option I came up with a rather intersting option that would probably be impractical without the experience of doomguy. The combo is rather expensive but this plus this could equal a lot of dead vamps really fast.
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You reminded me of the HE rounds in a Judge from PD2.....
 
Older-than-Time said:
Since they really are out to use your body like meat puppet after burning out your soul.
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Only the stupid ones, like Ursiel or Magog.

Nicodemus (sp?) isn't dangerous because he's working with a Fallen. He's dangerous because he's Nicodemus
Daimonin said:
Never read the Dresden Files, just a few fics, but doesn't being host to one of the Fallen cause an immediate SINNER verdict regardless of how you lived?
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If a Denarian gives up their coin and seeks repentance, it is not so. One of the Knights of the Cross is a former Denarian. And playing host to the Shadow doesn't slap one with a giant label of SINNER in and of itself.
 
@Hiver

Your SI better have looted Ethan's money, he was complaining about being low on funds, taking some money out of the register or the guys wallet should solve his food problem.
 
Ancalador said:
I think the real problem is that most demon slayers in fiction have something other than skills to help them survive. Doomguy has his Armor and weapons (and that demon energy crap), and Witchers have mutagens and magic that likely doesn't exist in Buffyverse.

I'd probably have gone with Van Helsing (the original guy not the one from the Anime) or someone who would otherwise be a baseline human with skills I could train up.

After all I don't see this SI ripping demons in half with power armor clad hands, which makes most of what he got from Doomguy kinda useless, since getting his hands on any of those weapons is as likely as him getting the armor.
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I had that same thought, but my answer to the problem tends to always fall on Walter Dornez. He is the weapon-smith of Hellsing, meaning he knows how to fabricate his own armament and he was badass enough as a vanilla human to gain the title of Angel of Death and despite being nearly 70 could still chew through undead like a thresher through wheat.
 
I just had a great idea.
A possibly stupid one, but nonetheless a great one.

Dress up as The Outsider from Dishonored.
Now, this might break your mind if you keep the memories, but it'd probably gain his attention.
He'd probably even grant you His Mark as a reward for doing something so entertainingly silly, and for bringing His attention to such an interesting world.
Honestly this would very likely fix the whole potential mind-screw with the Fallen Angel, since I doubt He wouldn't give you the chance to defend yourself against it.

Actually, Better Idea,
Dress as Corvo instead.
This both has a much lesser chance of breaking your mind, and grants you skill that would be applicable as a human.
It would still probably get The Outsider's attention.
It might even make Him more likely to grant you His Mark, since you got his attention in a way that wasn't as inherently harmful to you as experiencing His perspective.
*sigh*
I don't think there is any story that cannot be made better with the addition of The Outsider.
By better I mean more interesting.
 
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