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Harry Potter and the Whims of Fate (Harry Potter Quest)
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It doesn't make a lot of sense to allocate XP to Legilimency or Occulmency at this time. They have huge negative XP modifiers (x0.3).
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Yeah I was joking - about the legilimency.
I don't understand why you want a Patronus this early.
Your skill spread also seems deeply uninspired to me. I'd pick two of the core disciplines to bring up and two to settle on something lower and pick some complementary side skills for what is chosen.
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Corvus Black
The Inestimable
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Harry the magical badass is a go!
...We are so legitimately winning the Triwizard Tournament if it is still happening. It will be Harry's introduction to the world stage as the next Dumbledore.
Harry the magical badass is a go!
...We are so legitimately winning the Triwizard Tournament if it is still happening. It will be Harry's introduction to the world stage as the next Dumbledore.
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I don't understand our need for Strength. I also don't understand our need to go to 35 Transfiguration if we have 40 charms since many problems just need one or the other and the synergy isn't great that I'm aware of.
I'd propose any of perception, willpower, confringo/aguamenti/incarcerous at 2, awareness, etc. in place of these.
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Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Get it out of the way so we can write off Dementors, the fact that it can also function as unstoppable/traceable/detectable magical communcications, and a desire to try and match, at minimum, Canon Harry's skill.
Maybe if you're a scrub who isn't proficient in all the core magical disciplines,
Does Dumbledore short on the transfiguration? Obviously not. Doesn't mean he doesn't use charms like a boss as necessary. "Many problems need one or the other" is a poor statement, I feel, because yes - you can build one hammer and try to hit everything on the head as if it was a nail, and do alright. Doesn't mean that is ideal.
That said...
God yes. As far as I am concerned, learning spells at level one is worthless. Look at the description: "You've only just learned of the spell, and still struggle to cast it under even the most favourable of circumstances"...no, you might as well not know it and actually be able to cast something else. Incarcerous is also a poor pick, I think, given we can cast Petrificus Totalus at Proficient. Aguamenti is a decent utility spell, but there are better.
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Strength contributes to our Health, which means we have a better chance of staying alive during a duel or perhaps the Triwizard Tournament. I upgraded both Perception and Willpower significantly. I upgraded Awareness. I specialized in Charms, but I also think it is important to be proficient in the other core disciplines.
I do not understand this choice either since the Patronus charm (fighting Dementors) has very limited use, especially when at Hogwarts.
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I would be open to suggestions. However, we have to learn these spells sometime.
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Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Protego at Adept is excellent, I was torn between Confringo and Reducto but we do need one of them - preferably at proficient, but definitely not at level 1 since level 2 is when we can reliably cast. I myself went with Reducto because it is more targeted, and finer control over disintegrating stuff can yield more effective rubble for use with waddiwasi than confringo might, even if it does more raw damage thanks to the power of explosions.
But I can't think of any reason to use Incarcerous instead of Petrificus Totalus. Aguamenti is at least as niche, while Impervius is something we can probably see far more day to day use from and is probably worth applying to ourselves before a fight.
Corvus Black
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FYI - The Impervius charm is to repel water and mist, not to protect against bodily harm. Using examples; Quidditch players would cast it on their eyes so as not to have their sight hindered by rain, and it did not protect against the cursed treasure in the Lestrange vault.
It's still a super useful spell though.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Sidh and Mazrick look to be equating on some level the Impervius (where we only know the incantation and effect) and Imperturbable Charm (where we have a name and an effect which matches the former, but no incantation):
Cursed treasure...well, it was cursed. I doubt it would be that easy to get around. But anyways, it is a useful spell regardless.
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I agree that Protego at Adept is excellent. This should be one of the first spells we master.
Petrificus Totalus has a very simple counter-curse, if we ever get into a duel with multiple opponents they will easily be able to revive their ally. It is unclear from canon how simple the Incarcerous counter-curse is. Incarcerous is a more advanced spell (conjuration), so I imagine the counter-curse is more difficult.
I have reviewed the rules and you are correct, there is not much point in having a spell at level 1. I have changed the allocation in my plan and put 2 in reducto and added 1 to potions to get near the 2750. It doesn't appear like it will matter since your plan is winning handily.
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Corvus Black
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Hmm, I don't read it that way. Outside forces merely means rain I would presume, so it is completely in line with the canon Impervius charm.
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Sorry Van, but I like this plan more. Okay, is Harry Golden Gryffindor still alive? Can we learn how to use that badass sword? Pleeeeease?
Sorry Van, but I like this plan more. Okay, is Harry Golden Gryffindor still alive? Can we learn how to use that badass sword? Pleeeeease?
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
You're right, not sure how much harder Incarcerous is to dispel - but I'd still probably prefer branching out before moving on to redundancy.
Thanks for that.
It's oddly specific to limit "substances and outside forces" to rain and water - and while we can get very specific spells in Harry Potter, we also see them as very flexible. In this case, we are talking about the same effect (preventing physical contact between a solid object and light things striking it), and the name and incantation even go together to some extent. I was just interpreting the distinction as a result of sometimes referring to spells by normal name and sometimes doing so by incantation.
But anyways, no reason not to check. I just bugged @Sidhenlae and @Mazrick about it on Rolz, and they confirmed they are the same spell used differently.
>focusing on a sword instead of actual magic
Maximum pleb,
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Incarcerous is harder to dodge and harder to dispel than petrificus totalus, in addition to being lower on escalation of force tiers. It's the most reasonable spell I know of to cast at an unknown person taking us unawares.
Aguamenti is strictly if we take confringo imo. I'd be satisfied with 2 aguamenti even when confringo is brought to 4. Confringo is a good pair with incarcerous as the rope is good fuel for burning our enemies alive.
It's a cohesive kit imo.
A note about spells at level one is that the QMs may direct our experience to those rather than other new spells.
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Van Ropen
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...gonna have to explain all of that to me. Because I don't why it would be harder to dodge, it may be harder to dispel but that is unknown and still doesn't address branching out before acquiring redundancy, and your latter point is...well, I can't help but call it retarded. Why would you go through the effort of wrapping them in rope and then setting off an explosion in order to burn someone alive instead of just lighting them on fire? Ignoring why you want to burn someone alive in the first place.
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Is strength of casting opposing eachother a fanon or canon thing? It seems to me that a Impervius charm protecting against mist ought to protect against cursed mist if cast with sufficient oomph. I don't favor Impervius versus our other options though.
Ropes flying at you versus a ball of magic - it seems obvious to me. It's a conjuration which I don't recall harry&co ever dispelling - such as harry's duel with draco - while they do dispel petrificus totalus early on. I didn't say a person. Fire is a good bet against a dark creature, which won't be wearing conveniently flammable robes. It's just a bit of synergy.
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Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
*shrug*
God only knows. It seems to make sense that the skill with which spells are cast affects how they interact and stack up against one another, and we know broadly speaking that willpower can allow for countering magical effects, which further supports this notion. But I don't see why that matters, we are talking about fundamentally different things when we are comparing mist and "cursed" mist, not just a matter of degree. Dark Magic, quite explicitly, changes the game.
Why.
You didn't explain anything, why are these ropes harder to block than the spell?
Vanishing is a thing, and just as easily done by the competent.
Fire is a decent bet against certain creatures, which is why you just throw fire at them/set them on fire magically.
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Corvus Black
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Huh, fair enough. Thanks for letting me know.
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I originally included Aguamenti as a counter to Harry learning Confrigo. We don't want Harry to burn down Hogwarts on his first day.
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The mists bit is certainly speculative.
Ah, I was discussing dodging not blocking.
This gets the fire to stick with them a bit more while entangling them. Directly setting them on fire is the province of darker spells than we have access to at the moment isn't it?