Gundam Crucible - [An AU Universal Century Quest]

"Fine." You sigh, "Welcome onboard, Lutetia. Let's save your sister."

"Thank you." She smiles, relieved, "You won't regret this."

You really hope you don't.
I thought this might happen. We aren't close enough to pull a double psychoframe, but she can probably act as an alternative psycho cloak so we don't have to tire out Cybele in the earliest parts of the fighting.

[X] Charge the waiting group. Do it before the two bad machines to your sides have time to double back. Divide them, make them fall.

Realistically, while this fucks our plan up a little, the idea that it fucks up the feds plan worst, as they were planning to arrive probably after we blunted our force against rita. Now they'll have to burn hard to make it too the battle in time.
 
[X] Charge the waiting group. Do it before the two bad machines to your sides have time to double back. Divide them, make them fall.
 
[X] Charge the waiting group. Do it before the two bad machines to your sides have time to double back. Divide them, make them fall.
 
To fly free, you have to fly alone.
Cut through them. Conquer the skies.
If the skies are yours, nobody can stop your flight.
Now this probably isn't the case, but I have to ask. Char is that you? Because looking at your relationship with Kycilia, throwing a crazy newtype with OP MS/MA at your enemies is in your play book. Can this, like most of Artesia Deikun's regrets, be blamed on Char?
 
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Now this probably isn't the case, but I have to ask. Char is that you? Because looking at your relationship with Kycilia, throwing a crazy newtype with OP MS/MA at your enemies is in your play book. Can this, like most of Artesia Deikun's regrets, be blamed on Char?


Quattro Bajeena, a man who has nothing to do with Char Aznable, takes offense to your accusation. Now, he doesn't know much about this Char fella, but he has heard that he is a dashingly-handsome man who would never do anything so reprehensible. Char is an upstanding citizen, or so Quattro has heard.

By the way, he wishes to know if you have seen any women, preferably on the younger side of 30, who could be described as... motherly.
 
By the way, he wishes to know if you have seen any women, preferably on the younger side of 30, who could be described as... motherly.
Oh No. When Sicilia activated her Psycho Cloak back on earth she must have practically sent Char a telegram praising Cybele as a parental figure, the kind that spoils you and won't disapprove of murderous tendencies. What happened just a short time later? Rita loses it and destroys a colony! It's not just a conspiracy! It's a mommy issues motivated one! Cybele is in more danger than we thought. Good thing she is collecting more Ple clones.
 
[X] Charge the waiting group. Do it before the two bad machines to your sides have time to double back. Divide them, make them fall.

I had assumed the person egging Rita on was the original cyber newtype pilot, Zoltan. His crazy mixed with Rita's crazy to make a whole new kind of Newtypical crazy.
 
Oh No. When Sicilia activated her Psycho Cloak back on earth she must have practically sent Char a telegram praising Cybele as a parental figure, the kind that spoils you and won't disapprove of murderous tendencies. What happened just a short time later? Rita loses it and destroys a colony! It's not just a conspiracy! It's a mommy issues motivated one! Cybele is in more danger than we thought. Good thing she is collecting more Ple clones.
Cybele collecting Puru clones like life is a Gacha game and she just found her father's credit card.
 
Yeah! I'm stoked. Been listening to 99 mob choir while imagining Cybele cruising around the battle field while Haman and Sicilia steal funnels from all the Fed suits.

"Captain, the enemy squad leader is hijacking all of our funnels and turning them against us!"

"Are you daft Ensign Walker? He's doing no such thing. You distract that ace of his with Ensign Acothley. Once he's down her concentration will surely falter. He's probably all that's holding them together. Admirable, but ultimately a weakness for me to exploit."

Considering how Mort has been surviving and and that he's not a Newtype plus the enemy know he has military training thinking he is the team leader is not completely out of left field for her to think. While ignoring what her two subordinates were saying is bad, if she thinks they are both young, inexperienced, and focusing to much on the enemy Newtypes then I can see her train of thought when she has barely interacted with us and our team.

I meant to say this awhile ago but never had the chance until now.
 
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Cybele collecting Puru clones like life is a Gacha game and she just found her father's credit card.
Artesia's mysterious benefactor: I'm not sure where this notion of piggyback privileges came from but it ends now!
Considering how Mort has been surviving and and that he's not a Newtype plus the enemy now he has military training think he is the team leader is not completely out of left field for her to think. It ignoring what he two subordinates were saying but if she thinks they are both young inexperienced and focusing to much on the enemy Newtypes then I can see her train of thought when she has barely interacted with us and our team.

I meant to say this awhile but never had the chance until now.
I'd like to agree, except that we...

A-Know she's using a MS system that drives her crazy
B-Has witnessed cybele calling the shots
C-At no point has Mort done anything leader like so far as we know.

While things might happen off screen that could justify it, the supporting information paints her as a tragic victim of the federations indifference to it's pilots welfare, and a hilariously loopy leader for Cybele's rival.
 
Artesia's mysterious benefactor: I'm not sure where this notion of piggyback privileges came from but it ends now!

I'd like to agree, except that we...

A-Know she's using a MS system that drives her crazy
B-Has witnessed cybele calling the shots
C-At no point has Mort done anything leader like so far as we know.

While things might happen off screen that could justify it, the supporting information paints her as a tragic victim of the federations indifference to it's pilots welfare, and a hilariously loopy leader for Cybele's rival.

While I do agree the Nitro system might be messing with her head a bit, the fact that we where heavily involved in the meeting with the crazy Jovian was partially him spending time focusing on us because we were clearly a Newtype to his eyes does not necessarily make for a good argument that we a teenager are in command of a Mobilesuit unit. That is rare even by Gundam standards.

The reasoning she laid out after the meeting made sense in my eyes and she is not privy to everything that has happened to our group so her perspective is not crazy based on the info she has but sound logic about how a military unit would be structured.
 
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Hathaway needs a God damn reality check. He's doing the same shit as he's done in CCA.

Overestimating himself and butting into situations and getting people killed.

Since Bright isn't here to give him a Bright Slap, someone needs to

Hathaway went so far as to murder a ally that saved him, the idiot should be in a damm cell not trusted with a Mobilesuit. Personal I would preferred to let the current Fed leadership have him.

I'd personally categorize it as more like Hathaway demonstrated how much he needs to grow to become fit as a pilot, or more like he needs some friends to check his immaturity from getting him into trouble.

Because objectively speaking Hathaway did the whole Newtype danger sense to make him think going AWOL was a good idea, and Cybele was literally going to do same thing if Mort wasn't around to remind her that she is supposed to request permission to sortie. In a similar fashion Cybele would've done the exact same rage induced recklessness as Hathaway did except replace the Broadway with Kaylen, and she had Sicilia around to argue for running away whereas Cybele she was too angry to realize she was low on propellant.

So the difference between the two of them is Cybele has a few more missions, and more importantly an actual support structure to check her immaturity from getting her into trouble on the battlefield.

Cybele has also never tried and succeed in murdering her Allies and then running away. Cybele for all her issues related to her colony and family has never been as stuck up, foolish and team killing as the dumbass known as Hathaway.

Mobile Suit Pilot writes off killing an entire city because of their beliefs isn't exactly news, sad as it is to say. We just had an entire colony burn up because one, admittedly rogue and exceptionally powerful in one of the most powerful MSs ever, Newtype got fed up with how things were. Still, if there was any usable footage or audio of our interaction with the Fed pilot making that available to the media or public would force the Federation to play the PR game hard. But they'd probably even be able to twist it to their tune pretty easily too. "This is the unfortunate truth of all Newtypes, they are inherently unstable and dangerous to the public, which is why the pilot will be disciplined and put under further observation and training to better control himself and why we believe that all Newtypes need to undergo the same treatment."

Say the words, no matter how true or even how much the speaker themselves believe it, and someone will.

While people died the entire city was not on the line then and while she opened communications with the Penelope's pilot she was not broadcast her words on loud speaks but on a radio frequency the other pilots machine could pickup.

I highly doubt the "bad end" scenario involves anyone looking particularly heroic, or even the Cybele takes it end for that matter. Critical stage= shit rewards after all. At best we might capture her asshole ex friend and force a confession that implicates Rita as a federation created problem.

I have a hell of a lot more sympathy for Jona and his situation then I do for Hathaway and his deal. Jona cares about other people, Hathaway has only ever really cared about himself.

On the bright side, at least we Saved Hathaway(sarcasm), and did a lot that will benefit the eco terrorists efforts to force everyone off earth. (The writing was great but the gains are despair inducing. We didn't even prove McDaniels is a filthy fed supportor. Fuck that mission, worst ever.)

I thought that MAFTY just wanted to murder some of the Higher ups in the Federation Government not pull a Char and make the Earth uninhabited but that is useful to Know and Hopefully Bright can get of his ass and deal with Hathaway in a effective way.

You swear, you're all going to make it back alive.

"Losses are inevitable, you know." Your new mentor speaks in the back of your mind, "It's best not to get too attached to your allies. It'll only hurt more when you lose them."

Oh shut up Haman we know that actually giving a shit about your fellow pilots actually makes a Newtype stronger. Also it's thinking like that, that leads to people concluding things like Dropping Colonies on the Earth was necessary for the "Greater Good" or the Newtypes need to be controlled before they cause a disaster idea that is driving the Federation leadership at the moment. Haman may not care over about the people that died because of her but Cybele does care and if she loses that then she will have lost some of her humanity.

Nothing, your new wings whisper to you.
You are innocent.
It is the world which deserves to burn.

Your golden wings are silent, not refuting what your new wings say.
So they must be right.

"Kill… Kill all of you!" You grip the controls with red-slicked hands, tears floating away from your stinging eyes as you glare at the incoming signatures on the sensors, "Th-Then I can be free!"

Two large bad machines are coming in from the sides. They're trying to get behind you. Dangerous. For you, for them. You can't simply ignore machines that big, especially if they're being used by bad men.

But farther out, sitting there as if waiting, are two large machines with many little ones following in their wake.

You can feel them, they… almost all of them are birds just like you! But they're bad birds, here to peck and claw at you! Why can't you all fly free together?!

Your new wings whisper to you again.
To fly free, you have to fly alone.
Cut through them. Conquer the skies.
If the skies are yours, nobody can stop your flight

I bet with the different coloring to the voices Rita is being talk to by both Char and Full Frontal's spirits and the two are messing with her and her connection with the Phenex.
 
Hathaway went so far as to murder a ally that saved him, the idiot should be in a damm cell not trusted with a Mobilesuit. Personal I would preferred to let the current Fed leadership have him.
Really. Haffaway, the ability to continue operations on earth(why?) The mass production Earth focused MS, terrorist allies with the Super MS we collected for them, and saving Elle(and Chan I suppose) were our rewards for that mission. Compared to rita, the Phenex for londo bell, maybe capturing Jona, and probably something else cool. Pheonix hunt was better all around.


I have a hell of a lot more sympathy for Jona and his situation then I do for Hathaway and his deal. Jona cares about other people, Hathaway has only ever really cared about himself.
I have sympathy for neither. Jona cares about people in a selfish and broken way. As long as Rita Lives, even if her life is shit, even if she's a fucking test subject, so long as Jona "Saves her" in any capacity where she's alive and with him, he's satisfied. The dudes sipping coolaid harder than luke, who himself has seriously messed up views from how warped his perspective is.

Haffaway is worse that he's a bit of a self centered brat with a chip on his shoulder, an unrealistic interpretation of his own skills as a pilot, and a complete inability to leverage his newtype abilities to actually read the battle, but it's sufficiently mollified by his general teenage indifference meaning he isn't actively betraying anyone or multiple people he cares about in the name of his own Vainglorious perception of playing the hero.

There both shits, but Jona is a backstabbing dog on top of being a shit. I wouldn't have saved haffaway, no matter how shit the situation on earth turned as a result, but I'm actively aiming for Jona to Rot in a Cell or be broken by the weight of his actions and convinced to testify.

Haffaway can at least earn a " congrats on learning common sense" by giving team Cascadia enough space that saving him has little chance of becoming Cybele's problem, but I'll pass on any vote that gives Jona a chance to redeem himself. If he'll manipulate and trick his oldest, closest friends, there's no way I'm trusting him with a spork near Cybele, let alone a psychoframe bearing MS.
Oh shut up Haman we know that actually giving a shit about your fellow pilots actually makes a Newtype stronger. Also it's thinking like that, that leads to people concluding things like Dropping Colonies on the Earth was necessary for the "Greater Good" or the Newtypes need to be controlled before they cause a disaster idea that is driving the Federation leadership at the moment. Haman may not care over about the people that died because of her but Cybele does care and if she loses that then she will have lost some of her humanity.
I think Haman might actually be deliberately triggering Cybele so she "Won't Hesitate" Like Lutetia warned her not to. It's a very asshole brand of mentoring, but well, -shrug-Haman.
 
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Kakarot dropped another video about AoZ silliness with Drum Frame ultramodular mobuile suits.

I'm going crazy a bit, because damn thing... When did had time to make those parts and make them cross-compatible?
There's modularity, but there's too much modularity. AAAAAAA.
 
I have sympathy for neither. Jona cares about people in a selfish and broken way. As long as Rita Lives, even if her life is shit, even if she's a fucking test subject, so long as Jona "Saves her" in any capacity where she's alive and with him, he's satisfied. The dudes sipping coolaid harder than luke, who himself has seriously messed up views from how warped his perspective is.

Haffaway is worse that he's a bit of a self centered brat with a chip on his shoulder, an unrealistic interpretation of his own skills as a pilot, and a complete inability to leverage his newtype abilities to actually read the battle, but it's sufficiently mollified by his general teenage indifference meaning he isn't actively betraying anyone or multiple people he cares about in the name of his own Vainglorious perception of playing the hero.

There both shits, but Jona is a backstabbing dog on top of being a shit. I wouldn't have saved haffaway, no matter how shit the situation on earth turned as a result, but I'm actively aiming for Jona to Rot in a Cell or be broken by the weight of his actions and convinced to testify.

Haffaway can at least earn a " congrats on learning common sense" by giving team Cascadia enough space that saving him has little chance of becoming Cybele's problem, but I'll pass on any vote that gives Jona a chance to redeem himself. If he'll manipulate and trick his oldest, closest friends, there's no way I'm trusting him with a spork near Cybele, let alone a psychoframe bearing MS.

Jona spent a good portion of his live as a partial test subject and has even let himself be "enhanced" as a Cyber-Newtype all for the goal of recusing a friend that is in need of a rescue. The boy as literally allowed his body to be operated on for the chance to help a friend in the only way open to him. He has sacrificed to try and help a person he cares about, Name one time we see Hathaway sacrifice himself or something he cares about for someone else. Hathaway had a normal childhood with family and friends, Jona had nothing but Rita and Michele since the Colony Drop on Sidney while he was in the Newtype Research Institute and obviously he has had it much worse then Cannon Jona did when it came to becoming a pilot. I also am wondering Jona needs to testify about and why you don't think he isn't already messed up by situation. Jona's situation is understandable and he has not murdered people who saved his life while Hathaway has no excuse and he actually has murdered people and suffered no consequences for the fucked up things he has done. He has already betrayed people how helped him and he is no longer a teenager and could easily get more people killed.

Plus we already "saved" Hathaway once so I don't see way you are so gung ho on destroying a character Cybele has not even met in person yet.
 
Jona spent a good portion of his live as a partial test subject and has even let himself be "enhanced" as a Cyber-Newtype all for the goal of recusing a friend that is in need of a rescue. The boy as literally allowed his body to be operated on for the chance to help a friend in the only way open to him.
Jona's Idea of rescuing Rita is dragging her back to the fucking feds. Now that she's proven disloyal and hard to control, thats practically a death sentence with a helping of slow dissection. Rita doesn't need his idea of saving. She'd be better off dead.

He made a bunch of sacrifices to save someone. So what? Clearly it's as much an ego thing and about personal power and agency as it is about Rita. Frankly all that speaks too is his own mental instability.


. I also am wondering Jona needs to testify about and why you don't think he isn't already messed up by situation. Jona's situation is understandable and he has not murdered people who saved his life while Hathaway has no excuse and he actually has murdered people and suffered no consequences for the fucked up things he has done. He has already betrayed people how helped him and he is no longer a teenager and could easily get more people killed.

Plus we already "saved" Hathaway once so I don't see way you are so gung ho on destroying a character Cybele has not even met in person yet.
Umm, the experimentation on Rita? Proving that Rita is a federation created disaster. Owning up to his personal part in tricking Michele so Michele would be captured to act as bait for a trap he set for Rita, prompting the mental break down that lead to her destroying a colony? Try to keep in mind his various quest misdeeds instead of focusing overly on the Gundam Canon plot elements that make Jona less of a backstabbing shit.

Not because I voted for it. Haffaway would still be on earth and Rita would have been saved before any colonies got destroyed if I had my way.

I'm gungho on destroying Jona because in quest he's a well intensioned self deluded fuckup...
The way that the Earth Federation treated Newtypes was terrible. Jona Basta agreed with that.

However, in the end, they had the resources and power to help him save those whom he loved.
And having experienced life under the Titans, well… things were objectively better.

Still, as he led two teams of Mobile Suits against the girl he wanted to save, forced to fight by military officers who'd decided that overwhelming force was what was needed to bring the Phenex in…

He couldn't say that things felt better. Not at all.

"YOU CAN'T TAKE THEM! YOU CAN'T TAKE MY WINGS FROM ME!!!"

Another shrill scream cut through his mind, the Psychoframe only amplifying her cries. Rita… She was a dear friend to him. Submitting to Federation control, opting for Cybernewtype enhancements, helping the Federation to lure Michele out of Hong Kong so they could capture her, all of it was for the goal of helping to save Rita.
...who deceives friends and works with people he admits would treat them terribly, all so he can personally save them, by helping pro experiment on newtypes earth federation capture them. It's a road to hell paved with good intensions scenario. Rita wasn't some terrorist on a rampage wrecking innocent colonies, but Jona's use of Michele as bait because he's already burned his own bridges with Rita see him provoke her into a deeper state of mental anguish that results in a colonies destruction. With a friend like him, Rita doesn't need enemies.

He's reached that special level of "Wanting to be the protagonist" but also "Everything I touch goes up in flames" that he literally does more to save Rita by staying the fuck away and avoiding triggering an especially strong surge of emotions that would be the equivalent of bad guy final form for newtypes than he does having anything to do with the upcoming battle, but he'll be there anyway, because on some level, he cares more about personally saving Rita than her being saved in general.
 
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Umm, the experimentation on Rita? Proving that Rita is a federation created disaster. Owning up to his personal part in tricking Michele so Michele would be captured to act as bait for a trap he set for Rita, prompting the mental break down that lead to her destroying a colony? Try to keep in mind his various quest misdeeds instead of focusing overly on the Gundam Canon plot elements that make Jona less of a backstabbing shit.

We have no indication that Michelle was any were near the General Revil and Jona's attempt to disable the Phenex and we also don't have any indication that the incident with the Revil was the at the same time as Rita destroying the Colony or was any kind of ambush considering that when they tried to stop her she already had the Neo Zong 2 and was thus as we see even more messed up because the spirits inside the Neo Zong 2 are encouraging her already messed up mental state to want to destroy everything thing around her. So no Jona is not responsible for the Colony Rita destroyed and was actually trying to communicate with Rita the whole time and get her to stop the whole time while she was vaporizing his support units and then the General Revil open up with it's main guns. He did more then the Republic of Zeon forces have to try and get her to stop her rampage. He knows the situation sucks but as he said he did not have any other options and as someone who grew up under Titans control he thinks his current situation is better then what he had before. Jona is self aware of the situation and his choices but made them because he did not see any other choice open to him. What makes you think he beliefs he has to be the one to save Rita, the choices he has made were made not because he believed they were good choices but because he did not have any other way considering his situation to try and save Rita and he was working to convince people that Rita could still be saved and the Phenex could still be stopped without it destroying it and killiing her. Rita had gotten to the point she need to be stopped and Jona has been acting with the resources he has access to try and help in any way he can one of the to ost important people to him. If we manage to stop Rita and save her live he would thank God and might even try to defect. This is a guy how has spent a good portion of his live as basically a prisoner so unlike mister Noa he has good reasons for the way he is.

On the other hand has Hathaway shown an self awareness about the mistakes he has made and the consequences of them. Has he shown any remorse for the murders he has committed and a desire to be better or is he the same fuckup who will jump in to battle he has no business being in. Hathaway is still the same person he was during Char's Counter Attack and that is worse then Jona is by miles.
 
[X] Charge the waiting group. Do it before the two bad machines to your sides have time to double back. Divide them, make them fall.
Like this quest I can't wait to see the other characters reaction to Cybele gaining ghost Haman as a mentor assuming we survive this shitshow.
 
We have no indication that Michelle was any were near the General Revil and Jona's attempt to disable the Phenex
Yes we do.
"Liar…"

From the sky, a torrent of despair. The agony of being betrayed.
You stop dead in your tracks.
Everyone does.

"Michele… Jona…"

Looking skyward, you see an image. A golden phoenix wrapping itself in a coat of blades and guns.

"Liars… Both of you…"

Dread smothers you. There are voices calling out for the phoenix to stop, but she doesn't listen.

"YOU LIARS!"
Another shrill scream cut through his mind, the Psychoframe only amplifying her cries. Rita… She was a dear friend to him. Submitting to Federation control, opting for Cybernewtype enhancements, helping the Federation to lure Michele out of Hong Kong so they could capture her, all of it was for the goal of helping to save Rita.
Clearly Rita has either sensed or communicated with Michele prior this outburst, and there is a clear implication that Jona tricked Michele Into leaving Hong Kong as a piece in some larger scheme to capture Rita.
incident with the Revil was the at the same time as Rita destroying the Colony or was any kind of ambush considering that when they tried to stop her she already had the Neo Zong 2 and was thus as we see even more messed up because the spirits inside the Neo Zong 2 are encouraging her already messed up mental state to want to destroy everything thing around her.
-sigh-
Mobile Suit teams Charlie and Delta from the General Revil swarmed around the massive Mobile Armor that Rita had hijacked. The Neo Zeong II… what was the Zeon Republic thinking, even having that?! Perhaps they thought that they could overpower the Phenex with it, but she had turned the tables on them in the worst way.
This is clearly a battle already well underway, and between what Rita says and of the events that lead up to this we can construe that it was a double attempt at ambush by both Zeon and the federation gone wrong.

As for the Colony, It's pretty clear to me that the Psycho wave that Rita unleashes in wounded bird is the colony Killer, but even if it isn't Jona was clearly involved as she mentions both there names in the lead up to it in haffaway falls finale. It seems unrealistic that the federation showed up with a single newtype after she demonstrates the ability to unmake a colony with her psycho frame energy wave.
On the other hand has Hathaway shown an self awareness about the mistakes he has made and the consequences of them. Has he shown any remorse for the murders he has committed and a desire to be better or is he the same fuckup who will jump in to battle he has no business being in. Hathaway is still the same person he was during Char's Counter Attack and that is worse then Jona is by miles.
He actually hasn't committed any murders in this so no. We'll find out in this battle whether Elle's corrective violence has had any positive impact on him.
This is a guy how has spent a good portion of his live as basically a prisoner so unlike mister Noa he has good reasons for the way he is.
Reasons. Whether there good or not are in the eye of the beholder, and his aren't that good in my opinion. I don't trust him. He's so thoroughly betrayed Rita in his attempts to save her by working with the people she trusts least, that he adds to the difficulty of saving her by triggering a strong surge of emotions.
If we manage to stop Rita and save her live he would thank God and might even try to defect.
Uhh. Hell no. At least Haffaway is just useless and a detriment in combat. Jona's unique talent in the art of fuckupery seems to center around pushing newtypes into stronger surges of emotion that make them more difficult to defeat enemies.

He should defect to Doggatie. He's still better than the Titans, and making new types Doggatie goes up against stronger is the best he can hope for in terms of saving people.
 
Got a few questions

1.Since we saw the characters from Gundam,Zeta and ZZ will we also see characters from Gundam 08th MS team since I just had the hilarious thought of the old team uniting again and dealing with the insanity that's earth campaign MS fights where you are fighting a Anaheim superweapon,a MP Nu Gundam,a Jegan and 2 GM's while your allies is some Zeon remnant with a souped up Geara Dogra,some really old anti federation resistance fighters with god tier skills in a Gelgoog,some neo-Zeon commando with newtype bullshit MS and a Mafty teen with another Anaheim supeweapon.
 
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