Good Drones Obey: Communism and Kink in Post-Revolutionary America

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The Miami Government wasn't as batshit as the Christian Republic or Atompilz, but it turns out that MAGA Republicans getting their own faction in a civil war wouldn't lead to anything good.

Who would've thought. :p
 
I've been playing with the idea of introducing a kink that doesn't actually exist in our world, namely, a sort of eldritch horror roleplay thing. It seems like there's inherent eroticism there, as well as power, myth, mysticism, goth vibes, occult items, and the like.

Sort of like a fantasy-dom counter to dronification's sci-fi-sub thing. It would also be a bit taboo or countercultural in some ways with its implications of human powerlessness and insignificance that run contra to the revolution's lofty ambitions.

I'm not sure if it's worth it to write about a kink that doesn't exist, though. So, would anyone be interested in seeing a board with some of the people into that?

I mean, there's a video game, Lust from Beyond, that's exactly that, a lewd spin on cosmic horror; I've played it, and it was suitably terrifying, despite the gratuitous sexuality on display (or even because of it, since the naughty bits of the game often involved people that had been mutated into creatures straight out of H. R. Giger).
 
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I mean, there's a video game, Lust from Beyond, that's exactly that, a lewd spin on cosmic horror; I've played it, and it was suitably terrifying, despite the gratuitous sexuality on display (or even because of it, since the naughty bits of the game often involved people that had been mutated into creatures straight out of H. R. Giger).
Huh, I guess I underestimated Rule 34.

There's porn of everything.
 
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The Kink in Yellow: The Forum for Cultplay, Cthulhurotica, and Azathottery
Cultplay Kink Glossary


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This is a glossary of common terms used in the cultplay community, a BDSM community originating in countercultural movements during the civil war. While occultism and eldritch horror have long been sexually fetishized, the specific domination and roleplay dynamics and terms which cultplay typically uses are a newer innovation. Please see our generic BDSM glossary for more standard BDSM terms.

Potentially relevant cultplay terms are as follows:

Ace of Stars: A term for kinky asexuals in the cultplay community, aces of stars are typically interested in acts of worship, magic, service, and the like rather than overt sex, though some certainly are fine with it. As the cultplay community is one of the more convoluted kink communities and has many options for those uninterested in intercourse, it has a strong asexual community.

Angelplay: Sort of the opposite of Devilry, Angelplay involves play with angels and those possessed or "possessed" by angels. Often overlaps with faithplay.

Atompilz Division: A genocidal neo-Nazi terror organization that worked under the infamous Christian Republic. A subset of Atompilz types known as the Brotherhood of the Ascended Masters were Satanists who drew heavily from Theosophy, and while neither the Christian Republic or Atompilz had much of a chance at winning the civil war, they were known for their atrocities. It was the R'lyeh seasteading disaster and the attempt by Thorin Calvert of the Ascended Masters to market himself as a cultplayer that started the Realignment.

Avatar: One who is being possessed by an occult entity. This can be entirely a matter of roleplay, though some occultists in the community may take this more seriously than one might think. One of the typical dom archetypes in cultplay, the other being the cult leader.

Azathottery: Contrast to Cthulhurotica, a once-derogatory term for those who simply aped the aesthetics of cultplay without respect for the literature, mythology, or magick underpinning it. This was the more popular form of cultplay used by sex workers during the civil war, and continues to be popular among non-WR sex workers and those who produce erotic art for labor vouchers. Typically heavily anime-influenced, Azathottery often comes from a very different place than the core Cthulhurotica community. However, a new wave of Socialist Azathottery in the Worldwide Council Republic of Socialists has challenged existing stereotypes, creating vibrant fantasies, new looks, and elaborate settings. While those of us who prefer to wear flapper dresses and leather detective coats might look down upon the Azathots, it is increasingly hard to call them lazy.

Call of Cthulhu Mature LARPing: A euphemism for some dizzyingly elaborate cultplay sessions disguised as live-action roleplaying sessions, "MaLARPing" can be anything from an impromptu sideshow during a standard LARP to entire days-long sessions of dazzlingly blasphemous fun.

Cthulhurotica: Typically originating from more academically inclined communities, Cthulhurotica specifically refers to cultplay done with respect for occult and occult literary traditions. Cthulhurotica is so named due to the supposed propensity of those who participate in it to "play a lot of Call of Cthulhu", an RPG produced by the company Chaosium in Japan. Cthulhurotics may participate in chaos magic, do great research into their symbolism of choice, or genuinely be practicing occultists.

Cult: An association of cultplayers typically oriented around the worship of a single dominant.

Devilry: The practice of including devil worship or demonic possession into kink. Devilry can range from teasing (and, rarely for cultplay, potentially submissive) imps to generic demon kings and queens all the way to painstakingly accurate role-play and "authentic" possessions of entities from the Ars Goetia.

Dominant/"Dom"/"Domme" (Cultplay): The participant in cultplay who takes on an authoritative, controlling role and leads the scene, roleplay, or ritual. Typically, this is the person who has entered inhumanity or who is the head of the cult or coven.

Erisianism: The practice of worshipping or pretending to worship Eris, goddess of chaos and discord. Erisianism centers around the creation of an Erisian Avatar, a person who either gets into the headspace of the goddess of discord or who believes they are possessed by said goddess. Elements of Discordianism, a joke religion that is also an actual religion, are often also integrated, and while Erisianism overlaps heavily with Cthulhurotica, its less "scary" appearance and more relaxed mindset have given it a certain niche.

Falling: The act in angelplay of attempting to get the avatar of an angel to make some great lusty moral compromise, thus making that angel "fallen" within the roleplay. For obvious reasons, this is almost always just roleplay and has no "real" occultist equivalent.

Femboy Imp: The most common form of the rare "submissive Avatar", a Femboy Imp is a fairly memetic way to describe a specific archetype of an androgyne demonic male, typically an oversexed and playful one.

Hospitality: The presence of providing consistent service—sexual or otherwise—to an avatar in one's home. This can last for a mere hour to entire months: essentially as long as the dom can maintain their inhumanity and the sub wishes for it to continue. This is often a softer or more romantic form of cultplay.

Inhumanity: The equivalent to things like subspace, inhumanity is the state of mind in which one is fully inhuman and beyond human, a headspace of great power, confidence, and low-level madness. Typically the result of a willing possession, found in an avatar. It may require hypnosis or being "psyched into" this headspace, though some can enter it easily.

Kink Abuse/Mass Kink Abuse: A term coined by the mainstream BDSM community but used most in the cultplay community. A "kink abuser" is an abusive personality who happens to be into kink or uses kink as a justification for abuse, and "kink abuse" is a form of abuse done with the aesthetics of kink. The term "Mass Kink Abuser" or "MKA" gained most common use in the cultplay community as a term used in place of "cult leader", which is a more positive term within the cultplay community.

Lovecraft, Howard Phillips: Known author of 1920s and 1930s horror fiction, also known for his infamous racism and anxiety. While his works are masterpieces and much of the basis of the cultplay community, they also do have these extreme biases.

Marking: An avatar may mark their submissive/cultist/follower with a symbol such as a pentacle or Elder Sign underneath their clothes, thus reminding their submissive that they are owned throughout the day. Especially dedicated submissives may even get these marks tattooed.

Oviposition: The kink of laying eggs, typically done with an ovipositor device which implants jelly eggs into one's vagina to be laid at a later date. This can be done to help maintain the aesthetic of inhumanity, or simply for its own sake.

Paganplay: An extremely niche form of cultplay involving historical pagan and neopagan dieties and concepts, such as Norse seidhr magic.

Possession Polycule: A relationship between two or more partners in which one partner is frequently possessed and turned into an Avatar, with the relationship being considered between three parties. This can often be much softer and homier than you would expect, and while most examples are mere extended roleplay there are UPG examples of said possession.

Prohibition Fashion: The fetishized, Hollywoodized-equivalent of 1920s fashion to have come out of the Cthulhurotica community, typically known for ties, smart hats, fringed flapper dresses, dangling jewelry, and so on. A fairly uncommon aesthetic, but one that's gotten some notice due to revolutionary connotations that have been added to it. Only somewhat related to cultplay at this point.

Realignment: The process of ostracizing abusive or reactionary members of the cultplay community, such as cult leaders in the NXIVM sense rather than the mystery cult sense or Atompilz Satanists.

Ritual: The practice of roleplaying out or genuinely participating in Magick. This may include implements such as candles, altars, statuettes of gods, symbols, offerings, libations, or the like. It may also include more sexual tools, such as tentacle dildos, dripping wax, handjobs with excessive lube, blindfolds, or rope bondage.

Sacrifice: Something given up to appease a demon, Outer God, or other occult entity. Typically cum or orgasmic pleasure are used, though mock human sacrifice scenes and rare bloodplay are not unheard of.

Technohorror: A sort of mix of drone fetishes and cultplay. A Technohorror is a dominant in the style of a drone, though one whose mechanical thought processes are based not on conformity and subjugation but on dominating others. If drones are into being the Borg, Technohorrors want to be a hotter version of Skynet. Extremely niche, but a growing community.

Unverified Personal Gnosis: A term for a supernatural event happening that cannot be corroborated by scientific evidence or religious tradition. The term originates from neopagan and Magickal communities, and is more or less a way to say "What you believe happened to you is your choice, but I don't have to include that in my worldview".

Verified Personal Gnosis: A supernatural event that can be corroborated by scholarly evidence or religious tradition.

Wannabe Novelists: Though cultplayers are often the excessively creative sort, there are some cultplayers who are so dedicated to occultism or creative roleplaying that they seem almost less interested in the actual kink play. Though it started as a derogatory term, it nonetheless picked up steam as a term of self-identification during the Realignment.
 
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That kink exists IRL, there's literally a tag on Rule34 for "eldritch horror".

Big cuddly eldritch bae is my vibe and I have a novel nearly done involving that, which you can read in my signature. Though I tend to take the view that like Bloodborne's Great Ones, the Outer Gods are just lonely. :p
 
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Big cuddly eldritch bae is my vibe and I have a novel nearly done involving that. Though I tend to take the view that like Bloodborne's Great Ones, the Outer Gods are just lonely. :p
Honestly, cultplay sounds pretty fun. I didn't realize it was going to be that way, I just wanted an opposite number to dronification, but yeah.

Sounds like a fun kink!
 
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Quick question, do y'all generally prefer more of a focus on the political/worldbuilding/TL aspect, a focus on the kink aspect, or do both work together well in ways that they couldn't do individually? I'll keep both kinds of update coming, I'm just curious.
 
Quick question, do y'all generally prefer more of a focus on the political/worldbuilding/TL aspect, a focus on the kink aspect, or do both work together well in ways that they couldn't do individually? I'll keep both kinds of update coming, I'm just curious.

Seconding Vadrigos. Not only is it interesting worldbuilding in general, I feel that what you're doing here with kinks and how they interact with the characters is also very intriguing. I don't think this story would be the same without it (and I mean this in a good way).

I did say I don't really care about the kinks - and I still don't - but I don't think the role they serve here can be really done by anything else.
 
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Glad it's all working well, and thank you so much for your comment. It's so helpful.
Seconding Vadrigos. Not only is it interesting worldbuilding in general, I feel that what you're doing here with kinks and how they interact with the characters is also very intriguing. I don't think this story would be the same without it (and I mean this in a good way).

I did say I don't really care about the kinks - and I still don't - but I don't think the role they serve here can be really done by anything else.
I really appreciate the feedback, it's definitely very helpful. What role do you feel they serve? I have a few guesses/reasons why I do it, but I'd love to hear y'all's thoughts.
 
I do wonder now how much more media has become "author's barely disguised fetish" with the death of copyright. That can be a good thing or a bad thing (Disney in the 90s had so much fucking dirty subtext going on oh my god I'm not even joking it fucked me up- *ahem*)

Anyways, the death of copyright may also mean that technology is in a weird spot right now. Kind of curious to see what new aesthetics take over with the death of cyberpunk. Solarpunk? Neo-surrealism!
 
I really appreciate the feedback, it's definitely very helpful. What role do you feel they serve? I have a few guesses/reasons why I do it, but I'd love to hear y'all's thoughts.
Well, I'd say they serve to 'humanize' the timeline. Now there are many other ways you could do that - but none of them have the same effect as kinks. Kinks are something our society views as very intimate and that means that they, uh 'hit harder' than anything else. So, by focusing on kinks, you manage to tell us a lot about both the characters you've chosen to use for this timeline and about the society this TL is about. Of course you could do that by focusing on post-revolutionary gardening or whatever, but that would be an immensely different story, both because of how we the readers interact with kinks and how the characters do so as well.

There's also the added benefit of focusing a very isolated subculture - the drone fellas were referred to as 'sex weirdos' by a journalist, if I recall correctly. It's no coincidence the characters we've been shown so far have struggled to adapt to the post-revolution world in some way (AssMuncher aside). While obviously having kinks doesn't mean you're a misfit, having kinks society frowns on does and the political struggle to fit in synergizes very well with that.​
 
Atompilz Division: A genocidal neo-Nazi terror organization that worked under the infamous Christian Republic. A subset of Atompilz types known as the Brotherhood of the Ascended Masters were Satanists who drew heavily from Theosophy, and while neither the Christian Republic or Atompilz had much of a chance at winning the civil war, they were known for their atrocities. It was the R'lyeh seasteading disaster and the attempt by Thorin Calvert of the Ascended Masters to market himself as a cultplayer that started the Realignment.​
Unfortunately for us all, these guys are just straight up real.

Order of Nine Angles - Wikipedia, for when you think that Satanic Nazi Terrorists are too pulp for reality.
 
Quick question, do y'all generally prefer more of a focus on the political/worldbuilding/TL aspect, a focus on the kink aspect, or do both work together well in ways that they couldn't do individually? I'll keep both kinds of update coming, I'm just curious.
I'm kind of divided on this aspect, because on the one hand I'm very much not enthusiastic about the kinks themselves, but on the other they are the very thing that make the world *weird* and therefore *believable*, if that makes sense. I don't like them, yet they are an integral part of why I like the whole. I guess I'm like someone who loves bread but hates flour?
 
I do wonder now how much more media has become "author's barely disguised fetish" with the death of copyright. That can be a good thing or a bad thing (Disney in the 90s had so much fucking dirty subtext going on oh my god I'm not even joking it fucked me up- *ahem*)

Anyways, the death of copyright may also mean that technology is in a weird spot right now. Kind of curious to see what new aesthetics take over with the death of cyberpunk. Solarpunk? Neo-surrealism!

If cyberpunk became obsolete because it became too real, solarpunk might go through the same process, except solarpunk might be something to aspire to, rather than something to avoid or fear; less idealistic takes on solarpunk might serve to warn of potential dangers and unpleasant side effects in the IRL process of decarbonization and decolonization.

After all, IRL Brazil gets a lot of its energy from renewable sources but is far from being an utopia, and even if most people went vegan, for example, there's places where agriculture is just not possible, and that would end up becoming dependent on other places where it is possible, the far north of Canada being an example of this even IRL, to some extent.
 
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I mean, I've seen plenty of worldbuilding timelines, and plenty of character-driven timelines, but yours has a staying power none I've so far read have. Mostly because it doesn't wallow in misery like some. It's fun; it's goofy, and it has charm.

Thanks. I definitely wanted to avoid the Cliche Near-Future Dystopia thing. The post-revolutionary world isn't perfect, and it took some horrible things to get there, but things are genuinely better than they were in the Age of Cyberpunk, and that's important for me when I write this.

I do wonder now how much more media has become "author's barely disguised fetish" with the death of copyright. That can be a good thing or a bad thing (Disney in the 90s had so much fucking dirty subtext going on oh my god I'm not even joking it fucked me up- *ahem*)

Anyways, the death of copyright may also mean that technology is in a weird spot right now. Kind of curious to see what new aesthetics take over with the death of cyberpunk. Solarpunk? Neo-surrealism!

Honestly, unfortunately there's probably a lot more thinly disguised creepy fanfiction. Poor Black Widow and Power Girl.

That's definitely an interesting point. We're about nine years after the end of the civil war, so that aesthetic is in some ways up in the air.

I think there's definitely a kind of post-nerddom, at least, in that we see a lot of concepts that emerged before and during the mass commodification of nerd culture in the 2010s being kind of toyed with from a more mature and ambitious perspective. In a lot of ways, nerd culture was very much about consumption of products, so here we see a kind of re-appraisal of superheroes and Lovecraft and such.


Well, I'd say they serve to 'humanize' the timeline. Now there are many other ways you could do that - but none of them have the same effect as kinks. Kinks are something our society views as very intimate and that means that they, uh 'hit harder' than anything else. So, by focusing on kinks, you manage to tell us a lot about both the characters you've chosen to use for this timeline and about the society this TL is about. Of course you could do that by focusing on post-revolutionary gardening or whatever, but that would be an immensely different story, both because of how we the readers interact with kinks and how the characters do so as well.

There's also the added benefit of focusing a very isolated subculture - the drone fellas were referred to as 'sex weirdos' by a journalist, if I recall correctly. It's no coincidence the characters we've been shown so far have struggled to adapt to the post-revolution world in some way (AssMuncher aside). While obviously having kinks doesn't mean you're a misfit, having kinks society frowns on does and the political struggle to fit in synergizes very well with that.​

Thanks, I'm definitely glad that works. I do agree that these are isolated subcultures, and I tend to think it's often more interesting to look at people adapting to the post-revolution world, rather than people who are thriving in it and helped to build it. It's a new system with a new everything.

I do want to show some more characters who were completely on-board with the revolution and the DSA-Ultraleft since Day One. SouthernByGraceofGod will probably be one of those characters.

I do think that AssMuncher/Ruby Singh/HundredFlowers has struggled to adapt a bit more than she lets on. She's still an unreconstructed Maoist and she still has the problem a lot of the other "tankies" do where her revolution never came, but she's trying to make an effort to preserve her beliefs and integrate them into the way things are.

Unfortunately for us all, these guys are just straight up real.

Order of Nine Angles - Wikipedia, for when you think that Satanic Nazi Terrorists are too pulp for reality.

Yeah, Atompilz Division is meant to be a successor organization to Atomwaffen, so having a Theosophist-Satanist version of the Order of Nine Angles as a sub-faction in there made sense. Obviously, Atompilz had no chance of "uniting America" or anything (when you're the "Authentic Living" people's lackeys you're really pathetic), but they were nightmarish.

I'm kind of divided on this aspect, because on the one hand I'm very much not enthusiastic about the kinks themselves, but on the other they are the very thing that make the world *weird* and therefore *believable*, if that makes sense. I don't like them, yet they are an integral part of why I like the whole. I guess I'm like someone who loves bread but hates flour?

I think that's fair, yeah, and I've heard that from a few people as well. How might I be able to make this story more accessible for people coming from that perspective?

If cyberpunk became obsolete because it became too real, solarpunk might go through the same process, except solarpunk might be something to aspire to, rather than something to avoid or fear; less idealistic takes on solarpunk might serve to warn of potential dangers and unpleasant side effects in the IRL process of decarbonization and decolonization.

After all, IRL Brazil gets a lot of its energy from renewable sources but is far from being an utopia, and even if most people went vegan, for example, there's places where agriculture is just not possible, and that would end up becoming dependent on other places where it is possible, the far north of Canada being an example of this even IRL, to some extent.

Do you think that a whole new aesthetic might develop, like how cultplay evolved from things that exist in our world but into a subculture that doesn't really exist?
 
Thanks. I definitely wanted to avoid the Cliche Near-Future Dystopia thing. The post-revolutionary world isn't perfect, and it took some horrible things to get there, but things are genuinely better than they were in the Age of Cyberpunk, and that's important for me when I write this.



Honestly, unfortunately there's probably a lot more thinly disguised creepy fanfiction. Poor Black Widow and Power Girl.

That's definitely an interesting point. We're about nine years after the end of the civil war, so that aesthetic is in some ways up in the air.

I think there's definitely a kind of post-nerddom, at least, in that we see a lot of concepts that emerged before and during the mass commodification of nerd culture in the 2010s being kind of toyed with from a more mature and ambitious perspective. In a lot of ways, nerd culture was very much about consumption of products, so here we see a kind of re-appraisal of superheroes and Lovecraft and such.



Thanks, I'm definitely glad that works. I do agree that these are isolated subcultures, and I tend to think it's often more interesting to look at people adapting to the post-revolution world, rather than people who are thriving in it and helped to build it. It's a new system with a new everything.

I do want to show some more characters who were completely on-board with the revolution and the DSA-Ultraleft since Day One. SouthernByGraceofGod will probably be one of those characters.

I do think that AssMuncher/Ruby Singh/HundredFlowers has struggled to adapt a bit more than she lets on. She's still an unreconstructed Maoist and she still has the problem a lot of the other "tankies" do where her revolution never came, but she's trying to make an effort to preserve her beliefs and integrate them into the way things are.



Yeah, Atompilz Division is meant to be a successor organization to Atomwaffen, so having a Theosophist-Satanist version of the Order of Nine Angles as a sub-faction in there made sense. Obviously, Atompilz had no chance of "uniting America" or anything (when you're the "Authentic Living" people's lackeys you're really pathetic), but they were nightmarish.



I think that's fair, yeah, and I've heard that from a few people as well. How might I be able to make this story more accessible for people coming from that perspective?



Do you think that a whole new aesthetic might develop, like how cultplay evolved from things that exist in our world but into a subculture that doesn't really exist?

"Post-solarpunk" can't develop at least until the real world is as close to IRL solarpunk as our world is to IRL cyberpunk, since that's what more or less forced cyberpunk into becoming post-cyberpunk in our world; I have a few ideas about possible aesthetic and (pop-)cultural developments, but IDK if I can discuss them here: some of them, they might arise and develop in my own country, for example, but I don't know what is its status in your timeline, so the thread could be subject to spoilers if we talked about them; some others... uh, might have something to do with early 20th century literature as well, but in the same kinky fashion as cultplay, albeit in a more fluffy, idealistic direction, and I don't want to subject the thread to my NSFW word vomit.

So yeah, PM me with the status of a certain country south of the Alps, I'll tell you if what I had in mind can happen.
 
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"Post-solarpunk" can't develop at least until the real world is as close to IRL solarpunk as our world is to IRL cyberpunk, since that's what more or less forced cyberpunk into becoming post-cyberpunk in our world; I have a few ideas about possible aesthetic and (pop-)cultural developments, but IDK if I can discuss them here: some of them, they might arise and develop in my own country, for example, but I don't know what is its status in your timeline, so the thread could be subject to spoilers if we talked about them; some others... uh, might have something to do with early 20th century literature as well, but in the same kinky fashion as cultplay, albeit in a more fluffy, idealistic direction, and I don't want to subject the thread to my NSFW word vomit.

So yeah, PM me with the status of a certain country south of the Alps, I'll tell you if what I had in mind can happen.
We can keep the discussion in the thread if that's OK with you? Helps keep everything centralized. You can put your stuff under spoilers with content warnings.

What country south of the Alps are you thinking of?
 
Well, what ideas did you have in mind?

You don't have anything set in stone for it, then?

I suppose that, in a world where a communist takeover happened in America of all places, Italy could have one too, but the end result would be very... Italian in character - full of compromises, and not very orthodox. Just like in Emilia-Romagna, even to this very day, the economy would be a more or less even split between big state, medium cooperative and small private businesses, and politics would still take place inside of a multi-party, parliamentary framework; however, the regions might end up having way more autonomy than IRL (resembling the very loose link the provinces of Bolzano and Trento already have with the central government in Rome), leaving plenty of room for several flavours of left wing thought to develop.

Italy is one of those places where there's an anarchist/communist/socialist precedent for everything (hell, back in the late 19th century and the early 20th century, even quite a few industrialists built model towns for their employees, ran for left wing parties, and bankrupted their own businesses trying to treat their employees with dignity while everyone else did not), however, those tendencies never quite flowered properly, outside of some very specific places.
 
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You don't have anything set in stone for it, then?

I suppose that, in a world where a communist takeover happened in America of all places, Italy could have one too, but the end result would be very... Italian in character - full of compromises, and not very orthodox. Just like in Emilia-Romagna, even to this very day, the economy would be a more or less even split between big state, medium cooperative and small private businesses, and politics would still take place inside of a multi-party, parliamentary framework; however, the regions might end up having way more autonomy than IRL (resembling the very loose link the provinces of Bolzano and Trento already have with the central government in Rome), leaving plenty of room for several flavours of left wing thought to develop.

Italy is one of those places where there's an anarchist/communist/socialist precedent for everything (hell, back in the late 19th century and the early 20th century, even quite a few industrialists built model towns for their employees, ran for left wing parties, and bankrupted their own businesses trying to treat their employees with dignity while everyone else did not), however, those tendencies never quite flowered properly, outside of some very specific places.
How are you envisioning these Italian communists coming to power?

Oh, and yeah, I've mostly kept my worldbuilding to the US, since that's the main focus of the TL.
 
How are you envisioning these Italian communists coming to power?

Oh, and yeah, I've mostly kept my worldbuilding to the US, since that's the main focus of the TL.

It would be a slow burn, some competent grassroots movements organizing welfare and workers in an Italy where welfare's been wiped out (at one point, the country's population would've had more pensioners than workers, not an ideal scenario) and workers have been put out of a job by artificial intelligence and offshoring (the new Italy would be fairly skeptical of artificial intelligence and quite protectionist as a result, within reason).

It would be a peaceful takeover culminating in an electoral triumph by a center left and far left coalition, but there would be fighting - against the various organized crime syndicates of the peninsula, since they provide welfare and work in the places they infest, even IRL; in all this, the European Union would be unable to intervene, as it'd be a shadow of its former self; I can see the countries of southern Europe entering their own union, though.
 
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It would be a slow burn, some competent grassroots movements organizing welfare and workers in an Italy where welfare's been wiped out (at one point, the country's population would've had more pensioners than workers, not an ideal scenario) and workers have been put out of a job by artificial intelligence and offshoring (the new Italy would be fairly skeptical of artificial intelligence and quite protectionist as a result, within reason).

It would be a peaceful takeover culminating in an electoral triumph by a center left and far left coalition, but there would be fighting - against the various organized crime syndicates of the peninsula, since they provide welfare and work in the places they infest, even IRL; in all this, the European Union would be unable to intervene, as it'd be a shadow of its former self; I can see the countries of southern Europe entering their own union, though.
I'm a bit confused, would this be an electoral movement?
 
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