Its why the events of Broly (Super timeline) movie happen, Frieza wants to wish to be a little bit taller and Bulma wants to wish to be a little bit younger.
I love that. They don't care about wishing for ultimate power anymore, immortality is something that just happens if you're dummy thicc with power, so they're doing banal vain shit with the magic wish granting artifacts.
I love that. They don't care about wishing for ultimate power anymore, immortality is something that just happens if you're dummy thicc with power, so they're doing banal vain shit with the magic wish granting artifacts.
That was why the Red Ribbon leader died as well. His second in command shot him when he found out that his boss was planning on using the dragonballs to wish to be tall instead of wishing to rule the world.
My thoughts were that Kaioken you were basically limit breaking your body or spirit causing it to produce more but incurring tax in form of damage of stamina. With the divine ki the soul/mind gets more durable thus being capable of withstanding more strain from using kiaoken.....
On mind/spirit thing, I think that a blank spirit gets a body... uses the mind to develop thought process which the spirit emulates which allows dead people to have ki control....like spirit = old computer, mind = command codes(probably ot the right example but it's the one that I could think). This all could be wrong just making assumptions by reading both of yours comments cause otherwise the spirit/body/mind combo won't make sense, with dead people having no brains in afterlife.
Sorry if I repeated what was assumed already just needed to write it down.
For the mind/spirit/body thing, i was thinking if you get two of the three, eventually you start to get the third. Explains the Androids. Also the more I read old Dragon Ball, the more I'm pissed about new one.
THERE'S SO MUCH FORGOTTEN SHIT HERE! Like apparently, there was somebody who could ride Nimbus? Narm!?
Posing and stopping time aren't originally from JJBA, they're just primarily core proponents of JJBA.
I'd agree, but it feels more like Tien is an Arcane Trickster with some homebrew spells to keep him relevant. I feel like Yamcha's the bard because he's the designated butt monkey above butt monkies.
Good idea for those alt beans. Rip Yajirobe's usefulness.
I was talking about all the various abilities Tien had. Most other opponents had just one gimmick, but Tien pulled new ones out all the time at the start. Versatility is pretty much the bread and butter of every psionic class, but they tend to get bodied by nearly every other casting class at later levels.
Senzu beans are precisely as OP as you would expect considering that they are hand grown by a minor god, lovingly tended at the spiritual center of the world (an axis mundi) directly under the feet of a planet scale deity. They probably don't have a great shelf life either.
They are condensed divine miracles. I could imagine offbrand ones though.
The good ones probably take Korin a CRAZY amount of effort.
Heh. Just the tricks on this world they call earth are ludicrous. You really don't need to go anywhere else.
WHAT THE FUCK!? SENZU BEANS ARE GROWN BY A MINOR GOD!? THERE'S MINOR GODS!?
Thank you for notifying me of this, this is helping me.
Here's a spoiler, I want to make Senzu beans the rare thing they are, but have Nam's village make cross-species. So you get Senzu chilis that don't heal as much but raise your attack power, Senzu potatos that have enough nutrients to keep you running, etc. etc. You get the idea right? Apologies if I revealed this already. I probs won't get that far, but one can hope.
BUT WHAT THE FUCK, TORIYAMA!? Why did you forget so much earlier worldbuilding!?
Fun fact, did you know that furries are a thing? Furries are a fucking thing in this world. Like actual wolf people on planet earth that are just treated normally
until they flat out disappeared in DBZ.
WHERE ARE THE FURRIES, TORIYAMA!? SHOW US THE FURRIES, YOU COWARD!
First up, GT didn't get retconned from canon, it's timeline got paradoxed out of existence in universe due to Zamazu jumping from Trunk's 'future' actual timeline to Goku's current 'canon' divergent timeline, with the following shenanigans altering Goku's timeline to the point that GT never occurs.
This is a small but important distinction, as it means many of the things shown in GT, still exist or can still potentially be obtained in spite of their newfound irrelevance, such as the SS4 transformation, potential corruption of the dragonballs if used for evil, the existence of fused Piccolo's black-star dragonballs, etc, meaning they're available for use as story mechanics should you wish it.
Secondly, as far as developing a sage mode goes, there's a connection between Super Saiyan God, Trunk's 'Full Power' mode, and Spirit Bomb.
Basically, the Super Saiyan God transformation and Spirit Bomb both use the inherent spark of divinity (or vital ki, whatever you want to call it,) within the donor to empower the recipient via super-positioning, essentially alloying their energies together to become more than the sum of their parts.
Spirit Bomb works by using ones divine authority (which Goku technically has as a potential successor of the mantle guardian of earth, a mantle he obtained during dragonball) to entreat local lifeforms to help a brother out.
The non-divergent future Trunks timeline split before the mantle of guardian of earth could be passed to Dende, meaning Goku was it's heir apparent, and on his death said heir-ship passed to Goku's heir, Gohan.
Then Piccolo dies, taking Kami with him, due to them not having had enough forewarning to immigrate and appoint Dende, results in Gohan becoming Guardian of Earth , which doesn't help much, since at this point the earth, including the lookout, are most likely trashed.
Gohan survives for a fair while, trains Trunks as his successor, then carks it, leaving Trunks as the guardian of earth.
Then Zamasu arc rolls around, Trunks is fighting as hard as he can, and it's still not enough, so he loses it, goes 'then I'll use everything!' and while he's in the middle of prepping his swansong, his demand toward himself and the world reaches the lifeforms of his planet, and they're all like 'you need me to pass the sugar? Sure thing bro' at which point Trunks has a second where he realises that he's suddenly being empowered without the need to cannibalise his lifeforce ala Roshi.
Thankfully, by this point Trunks has seen Goku use SSGod, and manages to Kludge together an equivalent, his 'Full Power' mode, then masters it during the fight to the point of figuring out a low-budget spirit-bomb, which he then fuses to his sword and saves the day.
The point of all this is, it seems that ambient power gathering techniques, such as sage mode require some form of divinity or a mantle thereof in order to compensate for the lack of mental energy component in the local lifeforce, which in turn means a lack of unanchored ambient environmental energy to draw upon.
My advice would be to take a trip to Korin's Tower, kick Yajirobi in the nads for hoarding the senzu beans, which are made with sacred water, and then have Krillin eat a few while studying how his body metabolises the trace-divinity, until he can pull a Goku and learn how to synthesise some divinity himself or integrate it into his person. Then, once he has a basis for the technique, learn to establish a ki circuit between multiple individuals, allowing Krillin to freely exchange ki between them and apply the alloying of power to both himself and his donor.
I was thinking of calling it Resonance. At some point, I want all of Earth to start having some level of Ki. Not enough to do the BS the main cast can, but enough that it's used in daily life and shit. Resonance is something that weak people do to fight off stronger threats and power certain defenses.
it's still in brainstorming stage, but yeah. Resonance will be a technique that i'm going to try.
Because nobody had any reason to care about Raditz. Everyone hated him and he went to hell, the end.
Roshi actually knows a hypnotism technique that he uses against Goku. There are various problems with it, but it does exist.
Dragonball works on multiverse shit with alternate timelines. There were several plot arcs about this and it's in basically every game to some extent or another. GT is just as canon as Super.
Tien is a savant that can memorize any technique he sees instantly as the remnants of his enlightenment powers that he lost under the Crane Hermit. He's the perfect ki control guy you wanted. He can even cancel his opponents' ki attacks before firing off with his own. He's not super rogue-ish.
Chiaotzu is so irrelevant that his suicide bomb technique against Nappa didn't even hurt him. He left the story because there wasn't anything he could accomplish. Tien might have been the strongest human, but humans are canonically a very weak race, so unfortunately, he reached his limit. Maybe it wouldn't have happened so fast if he actually used the kaioken.
Don't forget Krillin. He's an even bigger butt monkey; in Fighterz, for example, Yamcha actually takes things seriously and does his best even while people are making fun of him, whereas permanent retiree Krillin just stumbles around and trips on his ass before hoping that his daughter won't see him flailing.
Chiaotzu is an immortal vampire creature (Jiangshi) and is precisely as screwed up by that as you would imagine, I imagine. Those creatures are reanimated missing some components of their soul and, considering that its a child that is alive when he really shouldn't be, I'm impressed that he is doing as well as he is. Many of those guys are bestial at best.
Give him a couple centuries. He's around the same age as Krillin so he had to have been raised only a few years ago.
Still, he was obviously the Crane School's long term investment. Which makes sense because the school is run by another immortal.
So, first, that's literally the last bit of Arcane Trickster.
That either ties into Spell thief, or counterspell, which is also a spell Arcane Tricksters can get.
I can't really comment on the 'super rogue-ish' part, because I don't really get what you mean with it. Do you mean he doesn't have the behavioral pattern of a rogue? RP doesn't necessarily mean a rogue acts as a stereotypical rogue.
Do you mean he doesn't act like a rogue in combat? I can't disagree with that due to how Shonen DBZ got, but I also wish to point out that (according to the wiki, I've not read or watched DB) he was brutal and cruel as a fighter.
So while Tien can be any class bc RP, I'mma keep imagining him as the party rogue.
Didn't know about the FighterZ bit, huh. Okay then.
I forgot how hard he was when he was introduced. Yeah, he was raised as an assassin. That said, I don't remember spellthief being a Trickster power at all, so I'm assuming that's from 5e.
Yeah, it's 5e. It's the edition I'm most familiar with due to the timing of my introduction to D&D. I'm sure if I got into it earlier, I'd be making references to 3.5.
Personally speaking, I highly recommend this story regarding how to make OG-Dragon Ball relevant during DBZ events. Tales of the Monkey Queen - Chapter 1 - SSVCloud, Zelenal - Dragon Ball [Archive of Our Own]
Including making the humans actually worth a damn during DBZ.
Chapter 1 to 45 are about OG-DB
Eddit: And oh so specially the girls. God knows Toriyama wasn't reallt good writing those...
#Chi-ChiDeservesBetter
#RememberLaunch
I'm planning to bring in Chi-Chi WAY earlier. And make her work for her relationship with Goku. Also make Goku a functioning human being.
I'm also planning to make Launch into a Dragon Goddess.
Small spoilers before I forget:
So I want to make the Dragon Balls easier to use while keeping them balanced. So my solution is to slam Shenron into Launch's body. Borrowing from GT, the Dragon Balls have a cooldown to cleanse themselves of 'bad mojo'. So I was going to use Launch's split personality to help filter out the bad stuff and good stuff into both personalities. In exchange, Shenron gets to make more wishes. Unfortunately, this also means Shenron gets a personality beyond MacGuffin and BOY is he-now-she pissed about having a puny mortal body. Shenron is very pleased about the ability to now REFUSE to grant a wish. Also the wishes that she can grant are weaker (Think the level of Ashes of the Past Jiraichi) unless the dragon balls are gathered. Shorter cooldown naturally. Also the wishes would work on a voting system between the three personas of Launc, Blond!Launch, Blue!Launch, and Shenron!Launch. There! That's how I make them relevant again! Make them an embodiment for a literal dragon god. Also this system makes it so that their existence isn't tied to a god whose existence is tied to a good green father that dies a lot.
Gt is not canon, not even as much as super is. It's not just that the events contradict canon (although they do, even prior to the Zamasu influence - calling in a paradox on that doesn't help), nor that it wasn't written by Akira Toriyama (although it wasn't). Rather, the fundamental principles of the GT universe just don't match up with DBZ or Super. Now, there's nothing that prevents philosophysics from making parts or all of it canon to their story if they want to, but it's not canon to DBZ itself.
I'm stealing parts from both. Fanfiction is picking and choosing the parts of canon that you like, stealing it, and then remaking it into the mad castle it is.
To declare that is to make the assumption that you have complete knowledge of the principles both in universe and in terms of meta.
If you look at the jump from dragonball to Z, then you'll see that's a load of bunk, since I doubt many people made the jump from "mystical monkey boy" to "oh look, aliens". As such, the jury's still out on whether they can be reconciled, meaning that it remains viable unless explicitly proven otherwise.
Also, as Saint of Witches said, Multiverse. Did you really expect the fundamental principles of the different universes therein to be identical?
Either both of them are out by the time of the moon or Krillen has gotten sooo used to whooping Ozaru ass that it doesn't matter to him. Know it's probably not the later one but if it is that will be hilarious🤣
So what I'm reading here, is that since this is based on a Shonen Manga, the answer is something suitably dramatic.
So either we get baseball star Yamcha early, or we get a Yamcha that focuses on his Ki Wolves to the point where he can legitimately say "I am my pack" and have the power to back that up.
Goku lost his tail before he met Krillin, and it just grew back during his last fight, so Krillin has never seen the Ozaru.
And it looks like as things stand he's not going to remember until it's too late to do anything about it.
Which I love. One of the thing's that's always struck me as odd was when inserts into a work of fiction somehow had an encyclopedic knowledge of canon. It makes far more sense for them to half-remember it and remember a few things wrong, since that's how most of us are about most fictional worlds.
So small note, there's an event that I've been referencing called Sleepign Princess.
The VERY FIRST Drago nBall film ever, it's about a vampire named Lucifer who tries to destroy the sun with a laser made from moonlight that's been concentrated by a special Moon Diamond.
...Small spoilers, Bulma stole said Moon Diamond and is experimenting with it.
You know, an interesting technique to develop through Ki control could very well be subverting enemy ki attacks. You know how everyone and their mother is shooting off Ki beams and blasts in Z? Well what if instead of trying to overpower it, Krillin instead grabs hold of the blast, condenses it down into a regular ki sphere, adds his own power onto it and then sends the beam right back at his opponent?
The Naruto SI Dreaming of sunshine have at least a few. But if I remember corect then they pretty fast figured out that they where in a si and I can´t recomend the one I remember. It was a pretty bad one with the second si only hiding and checking out the main si.
There is also at least one story in Naruto fandom about like 7 time travelers that don´t know about each other and everyone is from different point in the future and has different experience from cannon. Not the same but might give simular experience.
The solid ki wolf thing is very cool I wonder if he could make a power up transformation into like a wolf man aura that be neat or independent ki wolf summons
One thing I believe "Krilin" should exploit 100% is the fact Bulma is pretty much The Tony Stark of this universe.
She made a hand-size tracking device that detecs whatever the Dragon Balls emit with a global range.
She reverse-engineered Raditz's Scouter and made a identical one with translation.
And she made a not-really big Fully functional Time Machine that can go to the Past and Return in one trip while carrying a pilot!
Think of how INSANE that feat is:
Skynet, a full-sentient AI, using massive amounts of energy, resources, infrastructure and processing power beyond human comprehension managed to create a MASSIVE Time Displacement Device capable of sending people back in a one-trip travel with some margin of error and limitations of what could be sended (Terminator Universe Expanded)
Bulma created something Better in Smaller package and in a apocalyptic world being destroyed by the androids.
All of this to put in perspective the next idea:
To prevent the Oozaru transformation without cutting Goku's tail (for the next) recommend Bulma to build more than one set of Contact Lenses that can block whatever emission of the Full Moon (The Blutz Waves) that triggers that tranformation.
Or they could just dump him in a desert or somewhere nobody lives to go crazy until he becomes adjusted and learns to control it. Then they can just abuse the physiological benefits of blutz waves so that they don't have to spend senzu beans on him or leave him in extended medical care; remember that they can boost your abilities and induce healing, which are pretty nice, especially if she can make some custom adapter suit that filters natural sunlight or something.
Even if we still "need" the Saiyans to take on the main bad guy, it'd be awesome for Yamcha, Krillin, etc to be able to manhandle the secondary soldiers.
Isn't this something One Piece sorta does? The good guys have, like, assigned opponents, where the sword dude is the "second strongest", but that's okay, because he fights the "second strongest" opponent?
There's a surprising number of powerful secondary characters. And yes, I am going One Piece route where each character faces their own climactic battle.
I won't even have to make up too many of them because there's a LOT of side villains. THAT TORIYAMA JUST GIVES TO HIS MARY SUE! Gods damn it.
And sometimes I won't have the Saiyans fight them. Because Gods know, their battle mania makes them fuck up the simplest job.
Everybody yells at Krillin for sparing Android 18. Nobody talks about how FUCKING VEGETA LET'S SEMI-PERFECT CELL POWER UP!
AND NOBODY TALKS ABOUT HOW GOKU HEALSPERFECT CELL BACK UP TO FULL STRENGTH FOR GOHAN TO GET PTSDON!
Also I might also just have some team fights because those are cool.
I hope this krillin (Philorillin?) got awesome enough that it wouldn't be like its source material; as in, 'we must hold on and wait for the main character to descend and save our puny mortal asses!'
I had already seen enough of it in a lot of Shonen jump's title to feel tired of it. like in Dragonball, it was 'wait until Goku could come here from the afterlife!', in Naruto 'Wait until naruto come here and pull a bigger ball out of his ass!', and countless other variation.
Even defeating enemies using the power of friendship is better, when it's basically just calling all your friends to gang up and beat down the guy you don't like.
We're goign full on One Piece majestic story telling. Where it's 'everybody fights one of the mini-bosses and the super hard side-quest bosses while the MC fights the Final Boss'.
A decent wish for Krillin could be to get taller and have a nose.
I imagine he'll miss those things the most when he's older.
It's sort of thematic for the kind of setting that Dragonball is.
I think I read somewhere that Bulma periodically gets the dragon balls to wish to be younger again. I'm not sure if it was fanfiction or canon, though.
Its why the events of Broly (Super timeline) movie happen, Frieza wants to wish to be a little bit taller and Bulma wants to wish to be a little bit younger.
For a smart lady, she's kind of stupid. Just wish to have a plant or something that grows Youth fruits or something that turn time back like five years?
BAM! Renewable resource that can be shared and sold.
Sometimes I wish someone would get SI'd into Shenron. Just to have them respond to some of these wishes...
"I am the Eternal Dragon, state your-oh not this again"
"Eternal Dragon, I wish to be younger!"
"This is the FIFTH time Bulma! Why don't you just wish for eternal youth already?!"
There's actually going to be a small version of that. I also now want to write a small omake series about that.
Dragon: "...Panties."
Oolong: "I wish for a pair of panties!"
Dragon: "...Yeah, sure, whatever. Have a pair of panties."
Oolong: "Yeah." *Puts on head* "Why am I a girl?"
Dragon: "Because I made them a pair of magical panties. Put them on and you're turned into a hot girl. Kind of like Princess Power UP from Mario. The one with bowsette. Not that you'd get the reference."
Oolong: "WHY!?" *takes them off* "I still have tits!"
Dragon: "Because A. you're literally a sexist pig. B. maybe being a hot woman will teach you what it's like to be harassed. C. I'm fucking bored and you're a prick so monkey paws for you. D. Hot anime girls. ANyways, see you in a couple years you lot.BIGGER GREEN OUT!"
I love that. They don't care about wishing for ultimate power anymore, immortality is something that just happens if you're dummy thicc with power, so they're doing banal vain shit with the magic wish granting artifacts.
That was why the Red Ribbon leader died as well. His second in command shot him when he found out that his boss was planning on using the dragonballs to wish to be tall instead of wishing to rule the world.
It kind of makes sense in a way. The Vriefs family are the wealthiest supergeniuses in the world. What are they going to wish for?
World Domination? Sounds like work. Also we own like 1/3 of it already. It's a waste to wish for.
Eternal Life? I'd rather accomplish it the proper way, thank you Shenron.
Mundane Shit? We own continents.
Power? We have gravity chambers and could probably make Artificial KI with a couple weeks of work.
Resurrection? We know gods. We've seen the afterlife. It's a chill place, and decently strong people can kinda just... Leave.
That's just the Briefs. The rest of the Z Fighters can't be fucked to get the Dragon Balls since they can just ask Bulma, Goku, or go get whatever it is themselves.
Added to that is the power limit of the dragon balls. Anyone strong enough to be an actual comcern can't be dealt with via them anyways.
Basically, it's not worth the hassle to get rhe dragonballs when they can get the results of a wish through less work than collecting the damn things.
While GT didn't make much sense, at least the Dark Dragons provided a reason for why the Dragonballs weren't used for every little thing. Especially after they made it clear that a strong and fast enough person could just grab them when they try to disperse after each wish.
Yeah, Master Shen of the Crane school has been Roshi's rival for hundreds of years, both of Them, Baba, and probably General Tao (since he's Shen's younger brother) are immortal barring death in combat.
That said, it makes sense, they were humanities first adventurers in a lot of ways, and there's plenty of magic shit in dragon Ball, especially if you're rolling with Filler, but even without it there's plenty.
Monster Carrot could beat Freiza with prep time and Freiza off guard.
Fun fact, did you know that furries are a thing? Furries are a fucking thing in this world. Like actual wolf people on planet earth that are just treated normally
until they flat out disappeared in DBZ.
WHERE ARE THE FURRIES, TORIYAMA!? SHOW US THE FURRIES, YOU COWARD!
Awesome. I'd both love and hate to see this. Mostly because you can already tell the sheer vitriol conversations would have after Yamcha's sports-ball games.
"You lost to a team of dogs!"
"At a game of professional level Fetch!""
I saw the super timeline bullshit mentioned in regards to GT with that response dump.
I couldn't care less for that Arc in Super, but after listening to Plague's gripe about the time travel stupid (It got taken down, it's in audio only on YouTube somewhere.) It needs to be said.
Dragon Ball Super time travel is beyond idiotic, it just straight up shouldn't be a thing.
That said I am looking forward to how you incorporate some of the more whacky stuff from DB that Toriyama forgot about. And that Shenron-Launch idea just tickled my fancy.
Well people go get on Goku's case for giving Cell senzu just kinda say in the manner that "goku's ( father of the year, everyone) is not a good dad with all the abandonment and the helping of the super-uber-perfect enemies against his son....son gohan.
For Vegeta... we kinda expected him to be a super huge dick and a prideful moron...so yeah.
Yeah... about the super concentrated moon waves which Bulma has..... with all the talk oh her being stark of the bdz, after goku's transformation maybe the SI will likely try to munchkin something out of that... maybe the wrathstate is not yet a dream after all.
Fun fact, did you know that furries are a thing? Furries are a fucking thing in this world. Like actual wolf people on planet earth that are just treated normally
until they flat out disappeared in DBZ.
WHERE ARE THE FURRIES, TORIYAMA!? SHOW US THE FURRIES, YOU COWARD!
It was a bio-engineered drug which turned people into furries back during Dragonball. Was a big craze for a while, apparently, then by the time of Z nobody was interested in it anymore. The videogame Dragonball: Kakarot revealed the little factoid, and it's canon from Toriyama.
It was a bio-engineered drug which turned people into furries back during Dragonball. Was a big craze for a while, apparently, then by the time of Z nobody was interested in it anymore. The videogame Dragonball: Kakarot revealed the little factoid, and it's canon from Toriyama.
Or in other words: Toriyama was too lazy to keep drawing furries occasionally rather than just hordes of humans for crowd reaction shots, and decided to do the same thing he did to Goku's hair, and BS'd a reason into it being easy.
It was a bio-engineered drug which turned people into furries back during Dragonball. Was a big craze for a while, apparently, then by the time of Z nobody was interested in it anymore. The videogame Dragonball: Kakarot revealed the little factoid, and it's canon from Toriyama.
Going by the wiki, both Human-Type and Animal-Type Earthlings are natural, but the drug allows the Human-Types to turn into Animal-Types. Which makes sense, since the Kings of the planet have apparently been dog-men for centuries.
Going by the wiki, both Human-Type and Beastman Earthlings are natural, but the drug allows the Human-Types to turn into Beastmen. Which makes sense, since the Kings of the planet have apparently been dog-men for centuries.
...i wonder if this means that Krillin could Technically get that done to him?
Sure it probably wouldn't give that big a boost, but there might be some benefits to it as well?
it might remove his baldness, give him a nose, increase his senses?
at the very least it might give him claws of some kind...
maybe a tail if he's lucky?
and thats just if the drug is limited to dogs...
gills maybe?
Edit: according to the wiki
In Dragon Ball Fusions, Shenron can grant a wish to change not only Tekka's appearance and voice (like Time Patrollers in the Xenoverse series), but also their selected race or gender (which Time Patrollers are unable to do as they can only change their appearance and voice).
either that, or turning the androids into humans would be a bad idea with Shenron looking into the future and knowing they needed the androids power or something
You know, this actually makes the world of Dragonball make more sense, not less.
The reason Magic isn't more common, and well known? They've surpassed it.
Magic being real doesn't mean shit when the average person can replicate or surpass the effects of years of study, by simply going online and ordering something for a weeks wages.
Maybe a fraction of mages can do cool magic, but every functioning adult can buy a set of wacky capsules and a drug that messes with their lifespan.
Edit: This also essentially means the Z Fighters and Co. are a bunch of spiritual ascetic regressives living in a Transhumanist Science Fantasy.
if it was just a heart attack Goku would have been fine, instead it was a Heart Virus that they don't know was there, it kills Goku in that timeline because they didn't know that they had to treat him until it's too late
The original, pre-DBZ, Dragonball setting was freaking amazing for the layers of bullshit it was dripping with. And DBZ wasn't all that much of a slouch itself, even if it tended to wander out into fairly uninteresting tangents.
The story takes place on a massive, pangaea-style supercontinent... which may or may not be the only one... and a few outlying archipelagos. Its a world still reeling from the scourging of the Demon King Piccolo three hundred years ago, the survivors having mostly clustered into five cities that barely even bothered to have names: Titling themselves after the four cardinal directions they were arrayed in and then their capital 'Central'. You have to get beaten down hard to give up on even having proper names. There is so much empty there.
You have actual demons, nominally directed by Shula, periodically erupting onto the planet in what I honestly consider more of a particularly rowdy bar crawl than a proper invasion. Apparently demonic or external intrusion is prevented by the diety Annin of the Furnace of Eight Divisions. You can walk to the gate of the dead. Kami acts as planet-scale god on appointment from the bloody weird, but typical for eastern mythology, celestial bureaucracy and with the backing of an outright lovecraftian gravemind thing of all previous guardians of the earth. And that is before we get into any of the vaguely comedic bullshit.
It gets glossed over a lot, but there is some serious crazy there just from a worldbuilding standpoint.
Reminder there is nothing that prevent krillin from learning the transformation technique from Puar, which while not useful for improving his ki-derived strength, will solve his height and reach issues in combat, and should let him replicate many of piccollos techniques and fly under his own power without the sky walking technique from the Crane school.
We can see this because we've seen.
Oolong transform into a rocket comparable to the Nimbus in speed trying to escape Goku in "Ooh Ooh Oolong"
Puar and Oolong use multiple reach extending abilities when fighting in Fortuneteller Baba's arena.
Oolong successfully transforming into enormous forms in attempts to intimidate people
And Oolong transforming into forms that have functional combustion engines.
As such, while the transformation technique (which is taught in kindergarten) does nothing to improve the actual physical strength of its user, all other properties seem to transfer.
By this logic, one could transform permanently (since Puar has no time limit) into a Saiyan, Namekian, Oni, or taller person with no trouble. Possibly even more esoteric forms like Cell or an Android could work.
This would not improve your strength, bit it would instead give you access to these forms unique plethoras of racial abilities.
And before anyone brings it up, non-animal people can in fact use the Transformation technique, as evidence by the two humans who use it in Xenoverse 2
Reminder there is nothing that prevent krillin from learning the transformation technique from Puar, which while not useful for improving his ki-derived strength, will solve his height and reach issues in combat, and should let him replicate many of piccollos techniques and fly under his own power without the sky walking technique from the Crane school.
We can see this because we've seen.
Oolong transform into a rocket comparable to the Nimbus in speed trying to escape Goku in "Ooh Ooh Oolong"
Puar and Oolong use multiple reach extending abilities when fighting in Fortuneteller Baba's arena.
Oolong successfully transforming into enormous forms in attempts to intimidate people
And Oolong transforming into forms that have functional combustion engines.
As such, while the transformation technique (which is taught in kindergarten) does nothing to improve the actual physical strength of its user, all other properties seem to transfer.
By this logic, one could transform permanently (since Puar has no time limit) into a Saiyan, Namekian, Oni, or taller person with no trouble. Possibly even more esoteric forms like Cell or an Android could work.
This would not improve your strength, bit it would instead give you access to these forms unique plethoras of racial abilities.
And before anyone brings it up, non-animal people can in fact use the Transformation technique, as evidence by the two humans who use it in Xenoverse 2
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