Going To Make A Krillin! (Dragon Ball SI)

Honestly, I was thinking the same thing, but then I wondered who would be the dedicated healer in the 5-man band. I also realized Clerics, spec'd right, can hurt just as bad as they can heal. If Krillin kept his been bag, he'd fit the cleric archetype a bit better than the rogue archetype.
It takes two and a half seconds to jam a bean into somebody, even if you have to carve a new orifice to do so. Its a side job at best.

What we need is for Korin to take his job seriously, though its not as if anyone is actually paying him.
 
Yo! Wow, it hasn't even been a week and so many comments!

So first off, chapter two drops tomorrow. Yay!

Good news! I'm about halfway done for chapter three!

Bad news! I'm sick! Not corona. Hopefully. Maybe. I also have exams and midterm papers for the next three weeks so it's going to be a miracle to get chapter three.

Anything else? Anything else... Nope. Okay. that's all for announcements. Now to work on replying to everything.

Hmm...
"I wish i was able to shapeshift while keeping my power and skills no matter the form, with the ability to change back whenever i want"?

To be fair, "they just didn't think of it" would probably work as an answer...
Goku isn't exactly the smartest when it comes to non-fighting things.

Transformation is actually a power in-universe. Puar and Oolong have it. In fact, it's one of the FIRST powers to ever appear in the manga. I've been rereading the manga and...

I think the best description for Dragon Ball is thus paraphrased:

"Dragon Ball is just the filler arc for Dragon Ball Z."

And they're not wrong. I mean Arale Norimaki is CANON apparently. And if you don't know who that is, she's basically the world's strongest android. I just... Rereading my childhood has been fun, but it's made me realize that Akira Toriyama basically took a Gag Comic and tried to make it shonen.

Which... is weird.

So yeah. Expect inconsistencies in how serious my fanfiction is. I'll try to keep it consistent, but the medium itself is consistent.

Seriously. Next chapter SI!Krillin fights the world's stinkiest man. That is canon. That is a canon thing. Bacterian.

Look him up. He exists.

His martial arts style is not bathing for thirty fucking years. HOW IS HE NOT DEAD!? WHAT THE FUCK!? HOW DOES HE NOT HAVE GANGRENE! HOW DO YOU FUNCTION!?

Nice to see that you are going to continue the story.
And kinda think that I get what you trying to say about ki control and refinement stuff, its might be like physically strengthening the body as usually people in Dbz(s) have more destructive ki blasts than physical might so that might be the way you are(might) taking it?
Just want to add another thing that while I have no say in what you write the time when characters just use 'jutsus' and justify by saying ki=chakra is kinda jarring(as chakra kinda mix of energies going through a certain pathway in the body, while ki is a free flowing energy in the whole body). Nice to remember that magic is still a thing. Elemental techniques will be useful for the dragon ball time period but will lose their usefulness later though😭(why bother using mist,lava,air when your opponent is physically not affected by their damage). Maybe Focus can be on Kiao-Ken cause if Krillen will be physically strong then the tax of the technique will be bearable.

Sorry for the rant.
Fof the wish idea - affect probability(fate) that events go by that are advantageous or result being which is ethically good and beneficial to everyone one who I think deserves it.( know that a person can be biased and not everyone can be judged equally due to environment but Still).

Au contraire. I was thinking more natures. Like... Think Xianxia. Xianxia bullshit. That's what I'm going for. More... Ki Nature. SO you have bullshit like Senju Trees that entrap Bijuus.

Now you say, "That doesn't fit Dragon Ball."

Dragon Ball has a fucking magic ass pink gum that is canonically responsible for killing most of the universe.

Dragon Ball isn't fucking consistent with Dragon Ball.

Please dont have krillin use magic

I won't. I'll have others use it. Also Krillin might use it to help enchant weapons to better hold Ki.

Small bit of headcanon. Ki is for those who train their body hard. Theoretically anyone can use it. Psi powers is for those who train their mind hard or are just born lucky. Or maybe they're like bloodlines in Naruto? I am trying to make Dragon Ball's "magic system" make sense. I am ALLOWED to be kind of confused. Work with me here! I need your help!

Anyways, Magic is... a weird combination of both. Basically, it's like you... hack the world. Not like Senjutsu(Spoilers and also so I don't forget. Krillin is going to figure out some form of it.). But Magic is more like... using the world's rules and then bend it to fit them.

...Also necromancy is a fucking thing. Gohan(The grandfather of Goku) apparently comes back. And so does Goku. But only for a day. But then the Buu saga ends and then Goku just comes back? And apparently you can only be wished back to life once? But it doesn't count if it's part of a batch?

WHAT THE FUCK!?

Here u go enjoy!
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That Time I Got Reincarnated as Tien (DBZ SI)

A warm breeze rolled over my body, stray sunbeams breaking through the treeline above me. The...

Thank you!

What about making a wish the he switches bodies with Vegeta the moment he steps foot on Earth? Or a wire gets crossed on their pods so the Saiyans take a left swing into a deadly asteroid?

It could work. But it wouldn't make a good story now? Or at least it wouldn't fit this one.

This one is about a human striving to fight on the level of GODS.

And winning.

does krillin have hair in this version?

Depends on how lazy he gets about shaving. And NO!

WE WILL NEVER HAVE THE HAIR FROM BUU SAGA!

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT!? IS IT AN M!? WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF, KRILLIN!? WHY THAT HAIR!?

If he ever does have hair, i'm going with the Super Version.

I hope he does not do a species change wish, maybe something really interesting,a bag that will always hold ten senzu beans. Pull one out hundreds of times and put them in other bags. The original bag still has ten senzu beans. Also I recommend he learn from korrin or kami how to make the Divine water,or hmm maybe during time skip train with roshis sister in some of the more mental/magic arts

Senzu Bean bag. Wow. Why the hell did they never ask for that? That's the problem with making the MacGuffin so easily accessible in a story. EVERYTHING can be solved by it.

All good ideas. I might use some of them. But for other peoples. I don't like powerwanking one character. I like to have one character inspire others to better themselves.

I think they tried the latter in canon, but either way, both are impossible. Shenron can't affect people stronger than his creator like that. If you voluntarily wished to be immortal, then sure, but if you said "make me stronger," he could only make you as powerful as Kami, and if you said "kill Vegeta," it would fail, because Kami was never stronger than Vegeta.

Technically, he's wishing to affect the machinery. Still, i'm not writing that because it wouldn't fit the story.

I hope this isn't another tagalong story, i would like to read an attempt of changes that doesn't really affect the future but a sudtle change.

Maybe create a PMC for highten security consultant. It allows our Z fighters means of having means of light exercise while drilling combatant.

It was a shame that dbSuper that Krillin was just a cop/detective. They are growing old and needs to pass on their knowledge.

Yamcha has a great idea of using his skill set for a sport career.

Tien Shinhan started a Dojo out in the middle of nowhere.

And powerscale plot goku outshine everyone. It a shame that they didn't hand over the story to a new generation as Goku and Vegita travels the universe to train their fetish. Or go back to our human cast as they question their life choses, struggle to keep up with Goku.

Hopefully this story goes the slice of life story.

Note: i recall their was a cave full of lost treasure that's waiting to be claimed. A good PMC funds?


I was under the impression that you can't wish to be immortal, or that if it did, you'll be turn to stone or something along the line.

How the hell did you figure out my plan to have Krillin basically tell King Furry that he has a Spec Ops force specializing in BULLSHIT!?

In all seriousness, I never understood why they didn't just work with the government. I mean Goku could've have a job that Chichi would be proud of.

Chichi: "Oh, so your husband's a CEO? Well, Goku here is the Most Decorated SOLDIER in King Furry's ARMY! HE'S THE RIGHT HAND MAN TO CAPTAIN KRILLIN! LEADER OF THE Z-SQUAD!WE EAT BRUNCH EVERY SATURDAY WITH HIM AND THE SQUAD! SUCK ON THAT, KAREN!"

Goku: "Chichi. Calm down."

Chichi: "MY HUSBAND CAN BEAT YOURS ANY DAY! YOU NAME A PLACE AND TIME AND I'LL PAY FOR THE FUNERAL! FIGHT ME KAREN! FUCKING FIGHT ME!"

Gohan: "It's fine, dad. Just... Let this out of her system. Also... SUCK ON THAT CHARLES! MY DAD'S COOLER THAN YOURS!"

Chichi: "YOU TELL THAT FAMILY WHAT FOR GOHAN! WE'RE THE SONS! FUCK YOUR BROWNIES!"

Later At Brunch
Krillin(Watching a video of Chichi Suplexing Karen and Gohan doing a countdown after): "Wow, PTA meetings are fun. I always expected a shitshow with Goku involved, but... I always figured Goku would be the cause of a fight and... not the both of you."

Chichi(Hiding her face): Kill me now...

Krillin: "And saved. I am going to play this at your funeral while I talk about how strong and proud you were."

Chichi: "Fuck off..."

Krillin: "What? Death is optional most of the time now. I probably won't even shed a tear when you die. ...Wow, that came out more callous then I thought."

Goku: "A bit. Pass the maple?"

i am very sick. I think you can see that in the crack i just wrote.

I think a good wish, if "Krilin" choose to do so, would be a Healing Factor.
Remember, from Cell they have been dealing with enemies who can regenerate from massive amounts of damage without losing much if any power.
And yet, someone as powerful as Goku during Battle of F was taken down by a laser in the chest.
Even Piccolo with his limitated-regeneration was put down the same way against Frieza.
By wishing for a very good Healing Factor it allows to recover in-real time during a fight. And helps during training by repairing the damage sooner.
That way you can make the Senzu Beans redundant.

...Your idea works, but... IDK, it feels too speedrunny. Tho regeneration is kind of meaningless what with Piccolo having it, Perfect Cell having it, Buu having it, Black Goku having it...

Meh. I'm thinking of spamming the wishes in a more interesting way then powering up only one person.

You absolutely can. It even happens twice; though, I forgive you for forgetting the second one, as Super wasn't very good.

Super has some cool ideas! But yeah. Not the best. I LOVE the slice of life episodes tho. Those are easily the best part of super.

I just waiting for Krillin to use the seikuken to survive against an enemy .
Well that if he is a sei figther , it would be funny if he ends up being a do figther

Definitely a Sei fighter. But... he might dabble in Seidou Gojutsu.

I think Krillin's biggest contribution in this version will be all of his theories on Ki.

Nah, he does practice manscaping :p (this is the sad thing about 4 stars lines, some are just too funny not to use)

Anyway looking foward our man doing bald things in bald new ways

I am totally stealing that pun.

Why do I smell Hamon from JoJo? I can't smell ripples.

...Ah Jojo. Another manga series that doesn't make sense half the time but is all the more awesome for it.

There might be some hamon.

Hey, if Akira Toriyama can mash a bunch of ideas together and then forget half of them later, I can too!

...No, i'm not salty that he forgot about Launch and King Chappa and the Multi-Man technique and all the other non-Saiyans.

Of everything SI here could steal from JJBA, Hamon is probably the least offensive thing in the world of DB.

There will be poses. There will be Za Warudos. And there WILL BE OMAE WA MO SHINDEIRUS!

...Wait, wrong manga.

I totally agree on no one really focusing on the other supernatural stuff like magic and psychics. I'd recommend taking a peek at A Craving For Power which handles it really well. A couple nsfw omakes and it's on QQ so no direct link. We also had a good wish planned out. Wishing for knowledge is great because it doesn't involve affecting people stronger than Shenron and it's reusable.

PM me the link?

And well... if you guys are the kind who focus on munchkinning and min-maxing wishes... Well, you're DEF probs going to be pissed about one of the wishes i have planned.

I can promise you this though. The wish I have planned down the line will COMPLETELY change the story.

Don't you just love it when you run into a gem while bored?

I do.

Wait, you're talking about my story?

Aw, thanks!

You've just made my day. Thanks for writing this!

Thank YOU for commenting! Commenting is SO helpful!

But is the baseball pod they're riding in stronger than Kami?

No, it is not.

Destroying the pod kills Vegeta. If these kinds of technicalities worked, then Shenron wouldn't have limitations.

I think it would work actually. It's just that they never tried it. Or think to. Dragon Ball is weird.

This is really good, but the multiple SI comment worries me.

...SIs for me are more... OCs. Like they're based on personality, but... Yeah.

It's more an excuse for me to have changes further back in canon to make the story more interesting. I have a plan and a document to prove it!

It could always be a crossover with that fan Doujinshi that had a SI Yamcha and Chiaotzu?

Sadly no.

Well yeah, Shenron can't 'directly' kill someone stronger than kami, but he might be able to change the pod which the sayians are in, as the pod or at least the wires are not stronger than kami😅. It might be more if strong people surround themselves with ki which affects the effect of shenrong's power but if not I don't see why not. They could even wish for the energy of the pod to vanish or deplete , instant stop of sayian threat. I know that sayians coming kinda push the story but...... have to have changes or it just becomes a text version of the show with inner monolouge of a more genre savvy character.

Ruels Lawyering! Also I'm keepign the Saiyans bit. They're important. Tho... Raditz is probs going to stay alive. Nah.

Definitely.

MY FUCKING GODS! FORGET BROLY!

TORIYAMA! WHY DID YOU FORGET RADITZ!?

To be fair, that might be even worse. Vegeta got Super Saiyan just by being really angry. Being stranded on a world or in space might be considered enough of an existential beating for those Zenkai boosts.

That is LITERALLY how Vegeta got Super Saiyan. It is canon. Akira Toriyama showing off his love for gag manga again.

While hilarious, it... REALLY downplays the 'miracle' that was supposed to be becoming a Super Saiyan.

Don't need to wish to be a sayian.

Perfect KI control was a massive power bost and since krillin was noted to have amazing KI control early on, going that route is quite viable.

That is the route I'm planning to go on!

More or less. Most of the top level fighters are massively over dependent on raw power, just musclewizarding through every problem. If they run into a problem they can't quite bulldoze then they either pull more power out of their ass or, as happens just as often, they go down like chumps.

And, you know what? That is fine. Saiyans are designed for that sort of thing and, lucky enough, you have a saiyan right there. There are quite a few problems you need the biggest bulldozer you can find for and no amount of finesse will make a decent substitute.

But finesse very much has its place. You can hit way above your weight class and win many fights in ways that make them barely even resemble fights. The setting needs its cheating bastards, its guile heroes, its goddamn assassins if every third fight isn't going to come down to a coinflip as to who power leveled more.

I mean Haruno Sakura can punch craters into mountains with nothing but pure chakra control.

I'm a fan of things where people use technique to make small moves deadly. Like... Like that one move from HSDK. Three weak hits, but all the energies cross at a centerpoint to damage from the inside.

Also hypnotism. Hypnotism might work. Or Genjutsu or illusions too.

Thus, through SI shenanigans, Krillin eventually creates a party with a barbarian (Goku), a wizard (Piccolo), a cleric (Krillin, someone's gotta carry the beans), a rouge (Tien), and a bard (Yamcha).

D&D analogies are the best. And Tien is more of a Sorcerer. Kiko Go Fuck Yourself.

Yamcha's more of a Rogue.

I'm picturing Krillin as the Rogue/Skillmonkey actually. Suppressing his spiritual signature down to almost nothing, putting a kienzan (or some similar trick) through the top of an enemy's head when they are at the peak of their monologue, steal everything of plot relevance before the rest of the party even gets there, etc. Though considering the things that Roshi would be willing to teach to someone actually willing to learn I imagine there are a lot of options for alternate styles there.

And don't be too hard on Yamcha. The guy mostly just bowed out early due to seeing how outclassed he was. If the guy has some morale boost or reason to keep going he'll stay c-tier (at worst) even to the end.

Yamcha gets a lot of shit on him. Some of it comes from the fact that Akira implied the he cheated on Bulma.

Rereading the manga, I can see that with how often he "looked", but Bulma also did her fair share of "looking" and was also kind of... abusive yet also hypocritical.

Rereading all of DBZ, Akira abused time skips FAR too often.

Honestly, I was thinking the same thing, but then I wondered who would be the dedicated healer in the 5-man band. I also realized Clerics, spec'd right, can hurt just as bad as they can heal. If Krillin kept his been bag, he'd fit the cleric archetype a bit better than the rogue archetype.

I'm thinking of nerfing Senzu Beans to be honest. They're just... too OP. Or maybe I should have it so that they're still powerful, but Krillin asks BUlma to try and cross breed Senzu beans so they're easier to grow.

CUE variety of Senzu plants that are easier to grow, but have more spread out effects. Like one type of Senzu plant is great for mental fatigue, another is specialized in regrowing limbs, another just heals physical exhaustion, etc. etc.

...Holy shit, yeah, I think I'll do that instead. Give Nam's village and himself to stay relevant.

It takes two and a half seconds to jam a bean into somebody, even if you have to carve a new orifice to do so. Its a side job at best.

What we need is for Korin to take his job seriously, though its not as if anyone is actually paying him.

I think they have to chew. Korin does take his job seriously. It's just that Senzu Beans are hard to grow. And there's only one of them.
 
Small bit of headcanon. Ki is for those who train their body hard. Theoretically anyone can use it. Psi powers is for those who train their mind hard or are just born lucky. Or maybe they're like bloodlines in Naruto? I am trying to make Dragon Ball's "magic system" make sense. I am ALLOWED to be kind of confused. Work with me here! I need your help!

Composition
According to Akira Toriyama, ki is made up of three parts:
  • Genki (元気 lit. "Vigor")
  • Yūki (勇気 lit. "Courage")
  • Shōki (正気 lit. "Mind")
  • Ki

So having read that page a lot for the point of writing and games in DBZ I can give a few insights.

First we have the three components of KI, I think you could label them as "Physical, emotional and mental strength"

Auras of ki radiate from the user when increasing the concentration of it inside their body. Warriors (excluding Androids) have a limit to the ki that their bodies can withstand, but the capacity for ki can be increased through mental and physical training. Some techniques (such as the Kaio-ken) rapidly increase the concentration of ki in the body, enabling the user to fight at a strength level that far exceeds their regular limits for a limited period of time.

From this we know that your capacity isn't just a physical thing or rather I think you can say, physical and mental strength is the limit to the amount of KI your body can use at once, even if your Courage and mind are strong enough that your total is greater then that.

So We have

Max Ki = (Vigor+Courage+Mind)
Max KI used at once Or "Single Use limit" = Vigor+mind

Ki, once mastered at a basic level, carries more than just offensive and tactical power. While the durability of one's flesh and bones carry an obvious limit (even for races such as Saiyans, Namekians and deities) the extent of a fighter's ki does not carry these limits. As a result, fighters can increase their endurance by raising their guard to deflect ki attacks, although this obviously does drain energy. Lowering one's guard can result in much higher damage taken from attacks, even comparatively weak attacks such as scrapes, cuts, and bullets.[8]

Raising one's guard can be used to block attacks even more powerful than the user, although this can be extremely dangerous and often fatal.[9] This is seen in both the Saiyan saga when Piccolo takes Nappa's Bomber DX attack and dies from exhaustion and the Future Trunks saga in which Vegeta deflects Future Zamasu's Absolute Lightning to the chest to save Trunks.

Powerful fighters can also take genuine damage from lowering their guard. Vegeta deliberately lowers his guard to take an attack to the stomach from Krillin during the Namek saga to obtain Saiyan Power. During Goku's rematch with Frieza, Goku lets his guard down and lowers his defences, allowing Frieza's underling Sorbet to aim a ray gun at his heart, gravely injuring him and rendering him completely helpless. Despite previously possessing the strength to match blows with Golden Frieza, Goku is only able to move again after consuming a Senzu Bean, restoring his body and his ki.

From here we can obtain some knowledge on how a KI fight works.

Both parties are trying to get through the guard of the other, which has that previously understood maximum.
Which means a massive aspect of KI battle is efficiency, because each attack lowers in that instant (or for a moment regen isn't covered but I assume mental or spiritual strength covers that, and the other covers control)

Presumably KI blast are very efficient forms of attack or that like the Kamehahamaha, the act of charging it up lets you bypass your bodies strength"Singular use limit" to try to blast through their guard, on the other hand a miss with a potent attack is a big loss from your total pool for nothing.


So what we can see if that a battle is trying to whittle down your opponents total pool, or burst through there bodily limit all at once, all while being careful of your own expenses to have enough to dodge, or guard against there attacks.

This also explains why we see fighters so often shoot big attacks at each other, since we see ki attacks follow and since Guarding is so risky, it makes sense to shoot Ki back in an effort to at least knock their attacks strength below your guard which is limited by your "Physical Strength"
 
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On the limitless bag of senzu beans it's to valuable to take into battle or out to places to much. Maybe keeping it at kame house. But giving each of the z warriors a few senzu beans before battle in regular bags would be useful until that one time it gets stolen by an enemy. The real use for it would be in training like hell. Then training even harder. Hmmm can krillin learn how to heal, trading in it dropping his ki then eating a bean. (To improve his skill in healing for the day He can't go "Senzu bean"
)
 
You should consider having Krillin study on planet Yardrat for a time, they are canonically all about Ki Control according to DB super manga.
 
Hmm....
A wish to circumvent GT?

The dragonballs store heaps of negative energy when they make a wish, right? with them being so overused that they end up spawning dragons made of negative energy?

What about a wish so that once the negative energy goes to a certain ammount, say, Start of DBZ Goku level, it spawns in a mini-dragon containing the energy?
the weaker dragon can be beaten, the energy purified, and the Dragonballs contain less negative energy, with more dragons spawning a set time afterwards to drain the rest of the energy,
 
Yamcha's a multiclass Ranger, with 3rd-party-sourcebook-based class options to be strong at the start. Puar as an OP follower at a low level, ranged weapon usage with his machine gun even though it's useless later, desert banditry as his previous profession, decent charisma, one good attack...

Tien is some kind of Psi-based class, though I'm not sure which one. Outside of Boss-encounters Piccolo, Piccolo Jr., Babba and Master Roshi, he easily has the most versatile abilities, but he can't really keep up in the higher levels of later campaigns. Might just be the guy that went to college out of state and couldn't keep in contact instead.
 
So having read that page a lot for the point of writing and games in DBZ I can give a few insights.

First we have the three components of KI, I think you could label them as "Physical, emotional and mental strength"



From this we know that your capacity isn't just a physical thing or rather I think you can say, physical and mental strength is the limit to the amount of KI your body can use at once, even if your Courage and mind are strong enough that your total is greater then that.

So We have

Max Ki = (Vigor+Courage+Mind)
Max KI used at once Or "Single Use limit" = Vigor+mind



From here we can obtain some knowledge on how a KI fight works.

Both parties are trying to get through the guard of the other, which has that previously understood maximum.
Which means a massive aspect of KI battle is efficiency, because each attack lowers in that instant (or for a moment regen isn't covered but I assume mental or spiritual strength covers that, and the other covers control)

Presumably KI blast are very efficient forms of attack or that like the Kamehahamaha, the act of charging it up lets you bypass your bodies strength"Singular use limit" to try to blast through their guard, on the other hand a miss with a potent attack is a big loss from your total pool for nothing.


So what we can see if that a battle is trying to whittle down your opponents total pool, or burst through there bodily limit all at once, all while being careful of your own expenses to have enough to dodge, or guard against there attacks.

This also explains why we see fighters so often shoot big attacks at each other, since we see ki attacks follow and since Guarding is so risky, it makes sense to shoot Ki back in an effort to at least knock their attacks strength below your guard which is limited by your "Physical Strength"

I read that article. ANd well, it didn't make sense? Or rather it did, but it... It's weird.

Maybe I'm repeating what you said, but i'm also sick and tired. Literally from a cold and exams.

Anyways, my problem with that is the types of Ki. Like you have Divine Ki, Destruction Ki. And then you you also have Evil Ki, and Good Ki. And I HATE those terms of good/evil applied to energy. Like it's just too black and white. Then there's also the unnamed World Ki. You know the special Ki that Goku draws from around him to make the spirit bomb?

I was actually thinking of borrowing how Chakra works from Naruto and putting my twist on it. The ending of that manga was a mess, but... it's magic system was pretty consistent.

Anyways, in this system, Divine Ki would be similar to the Positive Black Chakra of creation, healing and all that 'good' stuff. Destruction Ki would be the Negative White Chakra of destruction, destroying and all that 'bad' stuff.

So Good and Evil Ki would just be weaker versions of that.

And to the changes for how Ki works.

Your SPIRIT is what generates Ki. So EVERYBODY has Ki. You get stronger by facing challenges, mental, physical, spiritual, and not giving up.

Your MIND is what controls it. So mental discipline leads to better control over Ki. This is also how abilities like Telekinesis and Psi work. Why do I bring attention to this!? BECAUSE OF BLUE FROM THE FUCKING RED RIBBON ARMY! RED RIBBON ARMY! WHY DO YOU EXIST ONLY TO BE FORGOTTEN!? Anyways, with enough mental discipline you can become an ESPER.

Your BODY is what contains and channels Ki. See, the Kaioken is a multiplier for Ki right? Going by the OG definition where Ki is all three combined, then THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! You suddenly activate Kaioken and Ki doubles!? What happened to your body!? Your mind!? So that's why I have BODY as the container and channeler.

In short, Spirit is the Ki Generator, Mind is the Ki Regulator, and Body is the Ki COntainer/Output.

Sorry if I repeated anything you said. But that's how I'm using it. I'll probs put up an informational threadmark when I get it further down.


On the limitless bag of senzu beans it's to valuable to take into battle or out to places to much. Maybe keeping it at kame house. But giving each of the z warriors a few senzu beans before battle in regular bags would be useful until that one time it gets stolen by an enemy. The real use for it would be in training like hell. Then training even harder. Hmmm can krillin learn how to heal, trading in it dropping his ki then eating a bean. (To improve his skill in healing for the day He can't go "Senzu bean"
)


Healing was always a thing. Look at GOKU GIVING FRIEZA HIS FUCKING KI ON AN EXPLODING PLANET, YOU DUMB FUCK, GOKU!

BUt yeah, Krillin is DEF going to be learning how to heal. But... Small spoilers, but don't just focus on how Krillin is going to get stronger.

You should consider having Krillin study on planet Yardrat for a time, they are canonically all about Ki Control according to DB super manga.

Definitely going to do that.

Hmm....
A wish to circumvent GT?

The dragonballs store heaps of negative energy when they make a wish, right? with them being so overused that they end up spawning dragons made of negative energy?

What about a wish so that once the negative energy goes to a certain ammount, say, Start of DBZ Goku level, it spawns in a mini-dragon containing the energy?
the weaker dragon can be beaten, the energy purified, and the Dragonballs contain less negative energy, with more dragons spawning a set time afterwards to drain the rest of the energy,

GT actually got retconned and isn't canon anymore.

Yamcha's a multiclass Ranger, with 3rd-party-sourcebook-based class options to be strong at the start. Puar as an OP follower at a low level, ranged weapon usage with his machine gun even though it's useless later, desert banditry as his previous profession, decent charisma, one good attack...

Tien is some kind of Psi-based class, though I'm not sure which one. Outside of Boss-encounters Piccolo, Piccolo Jr., Babba and Master Roshi, he easily has the most versatile abilities, but he can't really keep up in the higher levels of later campaigns. Might just be the guy that went to college out of state and couldn't keep in contact instead.

I think you mean Chiaotzu. CHiaotzu is the one with ESP. Though Tien does have an eye that makes him see things better.

THAT TORIYAMA FORGOT ABOUT!

DAMN IT! WHY DO YOU HAVE TO KEEP ON ADDING COOL THINGS INSTEAD OF HONING THE ONES YOU ALREADY WROTE IN ALREADY!?
 
Your BODY is what contains and channels Ki. See, the Kaioken is a multiplier for Ki right? Going by the OG definition where Ki is all three combined, then THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! You suddenly activate Kaioken and Ki doubles!? What happened to your body!? Your mind!? So that's why I have BODY as the container and channeler.

In short, Spirit is the Ki Generator, Mind is the Ki Regulator, and Body is the Ki COntainer/Output.
My thoughts were that Kaioken you were basically limit breaking your body or spirit causing it to produce more but incurring tax in form of damage of stamina. With the divine ki the soul/mind gets more durable thus being capable of withstanding more strain from using kiaoken.....

On mind/spirit thing, I think that a blank spirit gets a body... uses the mind to develop thought process which the spirit emulates which allows dead people to have ki control....like spirit = old computer, mind = command codes(probably ot the right example but it's the one that I could think). This all could be wrong just making assumptions by reading both of yours comments cause otherwise the spirit/body/mind combo won't make sense, with dead people having no brains in afterlife.

Sorry if I repeated what was assumed already just needed to write it down.
 
There will be poses. There will be Za Warudos.
Posing and stopping time aren't originally from JJBA, they're just primarily core proponents of JJBA.
D&D analogies are the best. And Tien is more of a Sorcerer. Kiko Go Fuck Yourself.

Yamcha's more of a Rogue.
I'd agree, but it feels more like Tien is an Arcane Trickster with some homebrew spells to keep him relevant. I feel like Yamcha's the bard because he's the designated butt monkey above butt monkies.
I'm thinking of nerfing Senzu Beans to be honest. They're just... too OP. Or maybe I should have it so that they're still powerful, but Krillin asks BUlma to try and cross breed Senzu beans so they're easier to grow.

CUE variety of Senzu plants that are easier to grow, but have more spread out effects. Like one type of Senzu plant is great for mental fatigue, another is specialized in regrowing limbs, another just heals physical exhaustion, etc. etc.

...Holy shit, yeah, I think I'll do that instead. Give Nam's village and himself to stay relevant.
Good idea for those alt beans. Rip Yajirobe's usefulness.
 
I think you mean Chiaotzu. CHiaotzu is the one with ESP. Though Tien does have an eye that makes him see things better.
I was talking about all the various abilities Tien had. Most other opponents had just one gimmick, but Tien pulled new ones out all the time at the start. Versatility is pretty much the bread and butter of every psionic class, but they tend to get bodied by nearly every other casting class at later levels.
 
Senzu beans are precisely as OP as you would expect considering that they are hand grown by a minor god, lovingly tended at the spiritual center of the world (an axis mundi) directly under the feet of a planet scale deity. They probably don't have a great shelf life either.

They are condensed divine miracles. I could imagine offbrand ones though.

The good ones probably take Korin a CRAZY amount of effort.


Heh. Just the tricks on this world they call earth are ludicrous. You really don't need to go anywhere else.
 
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First up, GT didn't get retconned from canon, it's timeline got paradoxed out of existence in universe due to Zamazu jumping from Trunk's 'future' actual timeline to Goku's current 'canon' divergent timeline, with the following shenanigans altering Goku's timeline to the point that GT never occurs.
This is a small but important distinction, as it means many of the things shown in GT, still exist or can still potentially be obtained in spite of their newfound irrelevance, such as the SS4 transformation, potential corruption of the dragonballs if used for evil, the existence of fused Piccolo's black-star dragonballs, etc, meaning they're available for use as story mechanics should you wish it.

Secondly, as far as developing a sage mode goes, there's a connection between Super Saiyan God, Trunk's 'Full Power' mode, and Spirit Bomb.
Basically, the Super Saiyan God transformation and Spirit Bomb both use the inherent spark of divinity (or vital ki, whatever you want to call it,) within the donor to empower the recipient via super-positioning, essentially alloying their energies together to become more than the sum of their parts.

Spirit Bomb works by using ones divine authority (which Goku technically has as a potential successor of the mantle guardian of earth, a mantle he obtained during dragonball) to entreat local lifeforms to help a brother out.

The non-divergent future Trunks timeline split before the mantle of guardian of earth could be passed to Dende, meaning Goku was it's heir apparent, and on his death said heir-ship passed to Goku's heir, Gohan.
Then Piccolo dies, taking Kami with him, due to them not having had enough forewarning to immigrate and appoint Dende, results in Gohan becoming Guardian of Earth , which doesn't help much, since at this point the earth, including the lookout, are most likely trashed.
Gohan survives for a fair while, trains Trunks as his successor, then carks it, leaving Trunks as the guardian of earth.
Then Zamasu arc rolls around, Trunks is fighting as hard as he can, and it's still not enough, so he loses it, goes 'then I'll use everything!' and while he's in the middle of prepping his swansong, his demand toward himself and the world reaches the lifeforms of his planet, and they're all like 'you need me to pass the sugar? Sure thing bro' at which point Trunks has a second where he realises that he's suddenly being empowered without the need to cannibalise his lifeforce ala Roshi.
Thankfully, by this point Trunks has seen Goku use SSGod, and manages to Kludge together an equivalent, his 'Full Power' mode, then masters it during the fight to the point of figuring out a low-budget spirit-bomb, which he then fuses to his sword and saves the day.

The point of all this is, it seems that ambient power gathering techniques, such as sage mode require some form of divinity or a mantle thereof in order to compensate for the lack of mental energy component in the local lifeforce, which in turn means a lack of unanchored ambient environmental energy to draw upon.
My advice would be to take a trip to Korin's Tower, kick Yajirobi in the nads for hoarding the senzu beans, which are made with sacred water, and then have Krillin eat a few while studying how his body metabolises the trace-divinity, until he can pull a Goku and learn how to synthesise some divinity himself or integrate it into his person. Then, once he has a basis for the technique, learn to establish a ki circuit between multiple individuals, allowing Krillin to freely exchange ki between them and apply the alloying of power to both himself and his donor.
 
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TORIYAMA! WHY DID YOU FORGET RADITZ!?
Because nobody had any reason to care about Raditz. Everyone hated him and he went to hell, the end.
Also hypnotism. Hypnotism might work.
Roshi actually knows a hypnotism technique that he uses against Goku. There are various problems with it, but it does exist.
GT actually got retconned and isn't canon anymore.
Dragonball works on multiverse shit with alternate timelines. There were several plot arcs about this and it's in basically every game to some extent or another. GT is just as canon as Super.
Tien is an Arcane Trickster with some homebrew spells to keep him relevant
Tien is a savant that can memorize any technique he sees instantly as the remnants of his enlightenment powers that he lost under the Crane Hermit. He's the perfect ki control guy you wanted. He can even cancel his opponents' ki attacks before firing off with his own. He's not super rogue-ish.
THAT TORIYAMA FORGOT ABOUT!
Chiaotzu is so irrelevant that his suicide bomb technique against Nappa didn't even hurt him. He left the story because there wasn't anything he could accomplish. Tien might have been the strongest human, but humans are canonically a very weak race, so unfortunately, he reached his limit. Maybe it wouldn't have happened so fast if he actually used the kaioken.
because he's the designated butt monkey
Don't forget Krillin. He's an even bigger butt monkey; in Fighterz, for example, Yamcha actually takes things seriously and does his best even while people are making fun of him, whereas permanent retiree Krillin just stumbles around and trips on his ass before hoping that his daughter won't see him flailing.
 
Chiaotzu is an immortal vampire creature (Jiangshi) and is precisely as screwed up by that as you would imagine, I imagine. Those creatures are reanimated missing some components of their soul and, considering that its a child that is alive when he really shouldn't be, I'm impressed that he is doing as well as he is. Many of those guys are bestial at best.

Give him a couple centuries. He's around the same age as Krillin so he had to have been raised only a few years ago.

Still, he was obviously the Crane School's long term investment. Which makes sense because the school is run by another immortal.
 
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Tien is a savant that can memorize any technique he sees instantly as the remnants of his enlightenment powers that he lost under the Crane Hermit. He's the perfect ki control guy you wanted.
So, first, that's literally the last bit of Arcane Trickster.
Spell Thief

At 17th level, you gain the ability to magically steal the knowledge of how to cast a spell from another spellcaster.


Immediately after a creature casts a spell that targets you or includes you in its area of effect, you can use your reaction to force the creature to make a saving throw with its spellcasting ability modifier. The DC equals your spell save DC. On a failed save, you negate the spell's effect against you, and you steal the knowledge of the spell if it is at least 1st level and of a level you can cast (it doesn't need to be a wizard spell). For the next 8 hours, you know the spell and can cast it using your spell slots. The creature can't cast that spell until the 8 hours have passed.


Once you use this feature, you can't use it again until you finish a long rest.
He can even cancel his opponents' ki attacks before firing off with his own. He's not super rogue-ish.
That either ties into Spell thief, or counterspell, which is also a spell Arcane Tricksters can get.

I can't really comment on the 'super rogue-ish' part, because I don't really get what you mean with it. Do you mean he doesn't have the behavioral pattern of a rogue? RP doesn't necessarily mean a rogue acts as a stereotypical rogue.
Do you mean he doesn't act like a rogue in combat? I can't disagree with that due to how Shonen DBZ got, but I also wish to point out that (according to the wiki, I've not read or watched DB) he was brutal and cruel as a fighter.
Tien Shinhan was originally a cold-hearted and ruthless warrior, never caring for anyone's life with the exception of his fellow students and mentors. This brutality can be plainly seen when he crushes Yamcha's and another fighter's leg during the 22nd World Martial Arts Tournament. ... Before he transitioned to the good side, he planned to kill Goku during the World Martial Arts Tournament as he was seen as a threat to himself and his cohorts. ... His personality transitions from one of a brutal killer to that of an honorable warrior who cares deeply for those he strives to protect. ...
So while Tien can be any class bc RP, I'mma keep imagining him as the party rogue.

Don't forget Krillin. He's an even bigger butt monkey; in Fighterz, for example, Yamcha actually takes things seriously and does his best even while people are making fun of him, whereas permanent retiree Krillin just stumbles around and trips on his ass before hoping that his daughter won't see him flailing.
Didn't know about the FighterZ bit, huh. Okay then.
 
I forgot how hard he was when he was introduced. Yeah, he was raised as an assassin. That said, I don't remember spellthief being a Trickster power at all, so I'm assuming that's from 5e.
Yeah, it's 5e. It's the edition I'm most familiar with due to the timing of my introduction to D&D. I'm sure if I got into it earlier, I'd be making references to 3.5.
 
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First up, GT didn't get retconned from canon, it's timeline got paradoxed out of existence in universe due to Zamazu jumping from Trunk's 'future' actual timeline to Goku's current 'canon' divergent timeline, with the following shenanigans altering Goku's timeline to the point that GT never occurs.
This is a small but important distinction, as it means many of the things shown in GT, still exist or can still potentially be obtained in spite of their newfound irrelevance, such as the SS4 transformation, potential corruption of the dragonballs if used for evil, the existence of fused Piccolo's black-star dragonballs, etc, meaning they're available for use as story mechanics should you wish it.
Dragonball works on multiverse shit with alternate timelines. There were several plot arcs about this and it's in basically every game to some extent or another. GT is just as canon as Super.
Gt is not canon, not even as much as super is. It's not just that the events contradict canon (although they do, even prior to the Zamasu influence - calling in a paradox on that doesn't help), nor that it wasn't written by Akira Toriyama (although it wasn't). Rather, the fundamental principles of the GT universe just don't match up with DBZ or Super. Now, there's nothing that prevents philosophysics from making parts or all of it canon to their story if they want to, but it's not canon to DBZ itself.
 
The plan is for Krillin to upgrade vanilla martial arts with Ki. So expect to see some of the bullshit from History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi.

When that stops proving useful, expect to see bullshit like Rokushiki, the Breath Arts from Demon Slayer, and other replicable martial arts from other shonen.
Why not try the workout routine from One Punch Man while you're at it?

Might help you avoid the fate of an Owned Counter.
 
Gt is not canon, not even as much as super is. It's not just that the events contradict canon (although they do, even prior to the Zamasu influence - calling in a paradox on that doesn't help), nor that it wasn't written by Akira Toriyama (although it wasn't). Rather, the fundamental principles of the GT universe just don't match up with DBZ or Super. Now, there's nothing that prevents philosophysics from making parts or all of it canon to their story if they want to, but it's not canon to DBZ itself.
To declare that is to make the assumption that you have complete knowledge of the principles both in universe and in terms of meta.
If you look at the jump from dragonball to Z, then you'll see that's a load of bunk, since I doubt many people made the jump from "mystical monkey boy" to "oh look, aliens". As such, the jury's still out on whether they can be reconciled, meaning that it remains viable unless explicitly proven otherwise.

Also, as Saint of Witches said, Multiverse. Did you really expect the fundamental principles of the different universes therein to be identical?
 
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Chapter 2: In Which Canon Doesn't Realize That It's Off the Rails Quite Yet
Looking at the brackets, I scratched my chin. Three rounds to get to the quarter finals, huh? Then after that I just need to win at least one match to make it into semis. After that, it's the championship round. If I lose in the semis, I'll just have to fight the other loser for third place.

I wonder what the third place prize is? Ooh! Maybe I should aim higher! Second place! Yeah, that sounds good. I think Goku wins the Tenkaichi Budokai and who am I to disrespect canon?

...Hahaha. Good one, me. I'd butcher and kill canon if it meant I lived longer. Fuck being a firework for Frieza. Still, better to not have butterfly effects this early on. I'll just make it to… To… To… What round did Krillin lose at? What round am I supposed to lose at? Wait, is it this tournament or the next one that Master Roshi hops in? Or was it both? I have SO many questions. Oh. Oh. Oh fuck, I don't remember canon half as well as I should have.

...Ah well, we have the bullshit Dragon Balls and some shit. I'm sure everything will work out so long as I don't stop training with Goku. Just gotta make it until the Saiyan arc and then I'll start the slide into irrelevant… Am I lying to make myself feel better and escape existential dread? Absolutely fucking yes. More importantly, is it working?

"Krillin! Krillin! You're up next!" Goku shouted, shaking me with excitement. "Go show them your skills!"

Hopefully yes to that last question.

Wriggling free of his grip, I grinned and hopped onto the stage, "Sure thing, Goku. I'll see you in the finals."

"Sure thing!" Goku shouted as he dashed away to his own ring. Shaking my head, I smiled at my meal ticket. Go. Be strong! Now… Who am I fighting?

Oh! It's one of my old templemates. Same bald head, same six incense dots. Just a couple years older. Ah, it made me nostalgic back to the days when I was but one of many students in the Orin Temple, learning how to brutally and efficiently turn the human body into a weapon. Technically, we were Buddhist. In practice, we were more like the League of Shadows from Batman. Except less bloodier and much more incompetent. The martial arts form was pretty good though, basically an expy of Shaolin mixed with a few other Buddhist styles. Everything else was shit though. Crappy ass indoctrination into becoming a child soldier made everything else shit.

"Well, if it isn't my old friend, Krillin," the skinny monk said, slipping into the opening Orin stance, the horse stance. He smiled evilly, "Fate is smiling upon me! Giving me such an easy first match."

This would be… would be… Fuck, I forgot his name. Jim, for lack of a better name, had been one of my bullies back at the Orin Temple. Older than me, he was only stronger than me because he had had more time to grow and develop his body. Other than that, he was hella weak, always ditching practice with his friends. There had been many times I wish I could shove something in his face, but alas, I was simply too weak.

Not anymore though. I'm strong now, HOO! RAH! I didn't bother replying, settling into my own stance. The words of the weak rarely leave change in this world. It is only through action that one leaves their mark. Or something like that. Point was, I didn't feel like replying.

"START!" the referee shouted.

Immediately, Jim dashed forward with a warcry.

Right into my fist.

The punch that he had been throwing immediately paused over his head and slowly drooped as he stumbled backwards, clutching his stomach with his other hand, gasping and wheezing for breath. I didn't hesitate, stepping forward to deliver two weak jabs, one to his forehead then another to his chest. I lifted my right foot into a rising high kick to the chin.

I had to shield my eyes to protect it from the dust and plaster that dropped from the ceiling when his body hit it. I had to take a few steps back to avoid the insensate body dropping back to earth. Oof. I really did a number on Jim's face. He's not missing any teeth, but it was a close thing with that nasty bump on the head.

Not wanting to bother with a countdown, I grabbed one of Jim's legs to drag him to the side of the stage. With a quick twist of the hips, I tossed him out of bounds. There, instant victory! Clasping my hands together, I bowed respectfully to his side of the stage before walking off to cheer on Goku. Two more matches.

I got there just in time to see Goku kick a man three times his size off into the distance. Coincidentally, the ref finally announced, "VICTORY TO NUMBER 93!"

Damn, being a side character is awesome. All the badassery with none of the whole WORLD DEPENDS ON YOU, DO NOT FUCK THIS UP mojo.

As Goku bowed respectfully to his former opponent, I smiled. Yeah, things were definitely going to be okay for now. So why did I have this impending sense of doom?

Piccolo doesn't show up yet, I know that for a fact. Saiyans are far off in the future, Freeza is literally out in space, and if I play my cards right, I can wish away the Cell saga completely, so why do I feel as if I'm forgetting something very important!? Like near in the future kind of important?

...Don't think about it. Just focus on the matches. Today is the final day you match Goku in fighting power! Enjoy it while you can!





As expected, my next two matches were a cinch. I was now in the quarter-finals. And
panicking because I didn't remember canon nor did I remember who the hell I was fighting. In my defense, I did kind of fell asleep in the drawings for quarter-finals However… Okay, it's kind of embarrassing since I was in the latter half of the drawings, I should remember who I'm fighting.

Walking onto stage, I tuned out the blond pompadoured announcer. I have to be ready for anything. Tienshinhan and Chiaotzu were strong and I was definitely going to have to fight them at some point. The ground thudded as my mystery opponent walked out and it was...

"Bacteri--!" The announcer choked, backpedaling away. Covering his mouth with a handkerchief, the announcer pointed at the… Why is he half naked? Why are there flies flying around him? Why is he here? Okay, that last one was stupid, but who the fuck is this?

Between his gags, the announcer mumbled out the answer, "BACTERIAN! Who is reputed to never have bathed once in his life."

"I'm going to crush you," said… Bacterian as he flexed, fat rolls squelching loudly.

...Oh right. This was a… thing. Hot damn, early Dragon Ball was weird before the reliance of power levels and laser beam sizes. Toriyama-sensei had to rely on weird martial arts styles to keep up interest and… I guess using stink as a weapon is creative, but it feels like I'm fighting a walking, talking embodiment of poop jokes. As it was, I want this disgusting hobo-slob and his 'martial art' erased out of memory and existence.

...I'm so grateful that I don't have a nose. My sense of taste may be forever weakened but in exchange I never have to worry about throwing up from the smell of thirty years of being a failure of society and an affront to nature and a mistake that Gods and Buddhas actively try to forget about.

We waited for the announcer to finish reading out the rules for the audience, waiting for the signal to start. I wish it would start, so I could begin rectifyign this mistake and beat some sense into this man. Failing that, some basic hygiene. I don't want to live in a world wit--

"MATCH NUMBER ONE BEGIN!"

I snapped awake. Fuck. I got distracted with stupid thoughts again!! Bad habit! I barely managed to leap backwards to avoid the first blow from him. Immediately, I dropped back low into a stance, but it was too late! He had already followed up and was about to release his next attack!

"Nice dodge!" the mistake of society complimented before he stepped forward and breathed in my face, "TRY SMELLING MY BREATH!"

..I didn't move. Beyond the disgusting warmness, I couldn't smell anything. And… I don't want to sound whiny because that's asking for Murphy to fuck me over. I never want to fight anybody strong enough to kill me, but… this is sad. I'm sad. Why is THIS the first person I have to fight seriously??

Reaching inside his underwear, the only article of clothing he was wearing, Bacterian thrusted out that same hand at my face. I merely leant back and snapkicked at his wrist with my foot, breaking it. Have some fucking class, you disgusting slob.

Oh. My question is answered. I'm sad because I have to fight this fucker. Fucking hell, Toriyama, what the fuck were you on writing these early arcs?

"How!?" he yelled, stumbling back. Then he felt the pain from his broken hand and clutched it, falling onto his knees screaming, "WHY!? I HAVEN'T CLEANED IN THIRTY YEARS! MY SMELL SHOULD OVERPOWER YOU NOW!"

...How do you function? The accumulated filth should have given you gangrene and a whole shitload of other health problems! I just… Let it go, Krillin. Just… Let it go. Rolling my eyes and shaking my head, I answered, "I have no nose."

"...Uh oh," Bacterian visibly slumped.

"Uh oh indeed," I parroted before launching forward with a flying kick. I really didn't want to touch him, but if I had to, I was going to with the protection of good old shoes. Now is he… Yup, out of bounds. And into the…

May Buddha forgive me and that particular section of the crowd too. I'm so sorry for kicking that health hazard into the crowd. I bowed respectfully and hightailed it out of there before anybody in that area could think to begin threatening me or something.

"...AND VICTORY BY RING OUT!" the Announcer shouted, leaning his head back and punching the sky, "THIS HAS BEEN THE TENKAICHI BUDOKAI'S FASTEST MATCH IN HISTORY! DO YOU HAVE ANYT-- Oh, he left already."

Shower. Shower. Where is the fucking shower? I want water and soap to cleanse the filth from me.





That was an amazing shower. I feel reborn. It was as if I took a bath in the Sanzu river, cleansing all my sins to be reborn. I still don't think I can ever forget fighting… fighting that nightmare. He wasn't even a decent fighter, just a stupid gimmick one. But I feel clean now and that's all that matters.

Walking into the waiting area, I wrapped the towel around my head as if it was a turban. Hm… Where was… Ahah! There's Goku! Sleeping under a tree and against a wall. Ah, he's so innocent. Though, he really needs to learn how to clean his face better. Where did he even get the grease?

With a bit of work, I got him onto my back to carry him to the waiting area proper. Knowing him, he'd probably sleep past his match if somebody didn't wake him up. Huh. I wonder what match we're on?

"SILENCE PLEASE! FOR MATCH NUMBER 4!" the announcer helpfully answered with a shout, "CONTESTANTS SON GOKU AND GIRAN! BOTH CONTESTANTS PLEASE STEP FORWARD!"

Setting him on the bench, I took the towel off my head to wipe his greasy cheeks. Then poking him, I tried to prod him awake, "Yo. Yo. Yo. It's your match."

I flinched when his opponent, a dinosaur-pteradactyl hybrid suddenly roared. Unfortunately, that did nothing to wake Goku up. I shrugged, giving up, and slapped him awake.

"Wha--?" Goku mumbled sleepily. His cheek was fucking solid. Stupid Saiyan biology that's overly evolved and focused on surviving battle. My palm hurts.

Cradling, I nodded at the arena. "It's your match."

"Oh! Yay!" Goku jumped up into the air and dashed off into the arena. I'm going to win!"

I shook my head. Of course, he was. He was Akira Toriyama's Prized OP Mary Sue character! It was me I'm worried about. As I walked to the viewing area, I pondered my next match. Do I fight Master Roshi? I think OG Krillin fought Roshi next, but that might have been the next tournament. Who am I fighting next?

"So you're who I'm fighting next?" a clean cut man in a… tacky chinese martial arts uniform answered my question.

Looking him up and down, he looked vaguely familiar, but… Oh! Bulma! Vegeta! First casualty in the Saiyan arc! Most useless human by the end of Dragon Ball Z! We fought together in the Sleeping Princess Debacle!Pointing at him, I snapped my fingers as I realized, "Oh. You're Bulma's ex! Uh… Yams!"

"What? No!" Yams snapped, growing angry, "I'm dating her! And it's Yamcha."

"Oh, shoots," I winced as I realized my mistake. Silly future knowledge making faux pases. Bowing low, I apologized, "Sorry, you're not broken up yet. My mistake"

"...Are you trying to trash talk me?" Yamcha asked. He still sounded angry, but also confused? No idea why, but I'll take any form of de-escalation.

"Oh no. If I were to trash talk you, I'd talk about how your uniform looks tacky. Or how you don't look like you've trained recently. Or how your haircut makes you look stupid," I answered honestly.

Yamcha stared blankly at me before suddenly facepalming, "You actually mean that, don't you?"

Furrowing my brow in confusion, I cocked my head, "I said it, so I must have. Though sometimes, I do get my words confused with my meaning. Nice to meet you again though! Thanks for helping me and Goku at the Demon Castle."

"...Let's just watch the match," Yamcha sighed, sounding defeated for some reason.

I shrugged. If he wanted to be weird, he could be weird. I hopped onto the divider to watch Goku fight the dinosaur thing. He's still hopping around too much, presenting an easy target that flew along a line from Point A to Point B. The reason most martial arts had an emphasis of keeping one foot on the ground was to be able to control momentum. Until one could fly, hopping in the air meant commiting to one direction and if your opponent predicted it...

"OOF!" Goku grunted as he was slammed into the wall by a tail flick. Yeah, he shouldn't have jumped forward like that. And he should have DODGED.

"So you're goku's classmate? Training mate? Friend?" Yamcha asked.

"Fellow disciple," I offered, kicking my legs as I watched Goku. Beyond the initial charge, Goku was doing quite well. His small size made his quick movements that much more confusing and he was using… Giran's? Giran's body as a jungle gym, pounding and kicking at the joints.

"Yeah, that. How was the training?"

"Lots of conditioning," I replied, remembering the stupid morning chores that lasted all the way to afternoon. "Then we had homeschool for a bit with Master Roshi. Then me and Goku fought until the moon was up."

"...Oh. So what was it like training wi--"

"DODGE!" I shouted as Giran spat something slimey at him. I'm going to abuse Pavlov and train Goku to DODGE.

For some reason, Goku immediately froze and allowed the goopy spit to curl and twist into a binding. I stared incredulously. Then shouted, "YOU DIDN'T DODGE!"

Honestly! We've been training for so long together! I'm trying to train you so that you'll always dodge and you don't have to sacrifice yourself to kill Raditz! Just DODGE!

"BECAUSE YOU YELLED AT ME!" Goku snapped as he struggled in his bindings. Grunting in frustration, he tacked on, "ASSHOLE!"

Well, that's just mean. Growling, I shouted quickly, "STUPIDIDIOTSAYWHAT!?"

"WHA--!?" Goku was cut off by a tail smack from Giran. As Goku flew off into the distance, he turned to face me and gave me a thumbs up. I returned it.

Sure, he may have been Goku's opponent, but that was a perfect punchline to that joke. Also Goku deserved to be smacked. He didn't DODGE. He needs to learn to DODGE, so he doesn't die and leave Krillin, AKA me, and the Z-Warriors to be meatshields and speedbumps to the arc's villain as we wait for his sorry ass to be Rezzed.

Oh shit, Yamcha! Turning to face him, I apologized for being distracted. "Sorry, he has a bad habit of not dodging. I like to remind him to. You were saying?"

"He's just been knocked out!"

"He's fine. I've hit him harder than that in worst places. Worse comes to worse, he's just disqualified."

"KINTO'UN!" Goku shouted, summoning a magical cloud to catch him and carry him back stage.

"See?" I pointed, nodding with self-assuredness, "He'll be fine so long as he remembers to DODGE!" I shouted that last part so Goku could hear.

"FUCK OFF!" Goku answered as he hopped back onto stage.

As the announcer and referee deliberated over the usage of Kinto'Un, Yamcha asked slowly, "When did Goku learn to swear!?"

Patting my chest, I proudly answered, "I taught him how."

"When!? Why!?"

"Well," I shrugged, "he needed a way to vent frustrations whenever he lost."

"...Lost?" Yamcha asked, sounding oddly confused.

"Yeah, remember? We did chores and training in the morning, schooling in the afternoon, and then sparred until the moon was up."

At the moment, I hated it. Hated the training. Looking back, it was pretty damn fun. Especially with someone like Goku to pick up the mood whenever it dropped. He was… a really good friend. I guess nostalgia does make people crazy.

"As in you and him were fighting?" Yamcha asked, a strange hint of desperation entering his voice.

I stared at him before slowly answering"That IS how sparring works, yes."

"What was the win-loss ratio?" he asked hurriedly

"Pretty even actually. But only because he cheated and used energy attacks sometimes. Hand to hand, I can beat him." I answered, though most of my attention was on the match. Goku had been leveling up his DODGE skill quite nicely now that he can't attack, but he was going to get hit if he didn't "DODGE!"

Oh no. He got hi… Oh! Wait! Goku grew his tail back,using it to dangle on Giran's arm. Nice. Going to have to figure out how to deal with that if we fight later. Going to be tricky dealing with another limb if we fight.

"Can you use energy attacks?" Yamcha raised his voice over Goku's angry shouting.

Ignoring Goku's cussing about me shouting DODGE unnecessarily, I replied, "No, but he can. The asshole. In his defense, he tried to teach me, but he sucks. All I can do is make this." I demonstrated the small Ki ball.

"...I uh," Yamcha stuttered as he slowly backed out of the waiting room and into the main hall, " have to go to the bathroom."

"Don't take too long," I call out after him as he turned and ran, "Goku's about to win. If he could just DODGE!"

"SHUT UP!" Goku shouted as he kicked the dividing wall that I was sitting on, completely reducing it to rubble.. Too bad for him, I saw it coming and backflipped onto the roof. Unfortunately, the pterodactyl dinosaur did NOT capitalize on the DODGE moment and immediately surrendered for some reason.

"When we fight," Goku growled, uncharacteristically annoyed, "I'll show YOU to DODGE!"

I cackled gleefully even as the announcer called Goku back so he could announce the result. Ah, that's hilarious. Don't worry, Team Fourstar! I shall make sure the Art of the DODGE continues across worlds.

But... Now that the match was finished, I finally had to face my biggest worry. That's a lie. I have far bigger worries. My whole life is nothing but worry and anxiety. My biggest and most present worry right now is my fight against Yamcha though. I don't remember canon quite well, so I can't remember if Krillin wins or not, but he does give a good showing. So all I have to do is give a good showing too in my next fight.

...Ugh, damn it. I'm going to lose, aren't I? I remember Krillin eventually becoming the strongest human, but right now I'm definitely one of the weakest out of all of the human Z-Warriors. Wait, Didn't Yamcha fight against Oozaru and succeed in cutting off the tail? He's probably, no, definitely stronger than me.

...Well, fuck it. We're still in early Dragon Ball where technique matters more than who can scream the longest and loudest. Thirty years of MMA spread across two lives! Don't fail me now please!

I walked out onto the stage and waited for my ass-kicking to begin. I might as well give him a good showing.





Yamcha was… not looking forward to this. Not looking forward to fighting Goku's fellow disciple. He had already resigned himself to losing upon fighting Goku. He had lost in their first meeting and that was before he began training under the World's Strongest Man. Now he had to fight somebody that fought him to a draw near daily? Have mercy and knock him out already.

He didn't hear the announcer introducing him. Or rather, he did hear, but he couldn't listen to the words. The monk had already settled into a stance, face completely blank of emotion and eyes narrowed in focus. It was freaking Yamcha the fuck out.

Earlier, when Yamcha had been talking to him, he had the impression that he was talking to somebody like Goku. A balder, smarter Goku, but something inherently innocent. Viewing the world from that angle that made you want to treat them as stupid, but if you took the time to realize that they just didn't know any better.

He had hoped that Krillin had been… accidentally misleading about how good he was at sparring, but the sheer presence that was overflowing from him was evidence that he had trained. It was different. So different from Goku. Fighting Goku had been like playing with a child, especially with the Rock-Paper-Scissors move that he was so proud of. There had been no aura of threat. Even when Goku had him flat on his back, Yamcha had never truly felt fear. Fear at Goku's strength, but never of Goku.

Just standing before Krillin felt as if somebody had stepped on his grave and poured ice on his back. Every movement, every breath, it felt as if everything about Yamcha was being broken down and searched for weakness as the monk stared, never blinking and simply standing as still as a statue.

Yet the monk himself didn't feel frozen. Merely tensed, coiled, ready to spring into action. Settling into his own stance, hands in the shape of claws, Yamcha breathed in and out, pushing back the fear and calming himself. No. He had to remain calm. Give a good showing. Get a few hits in at least.

As soon as the signal was shouted, he leapt forward, shouting, "WOLF FANG FIST!"

The first strike was his and he had to make it count. Aura coating his blows in the silhouette of wolves, Yamcha unleashed a flurry of blows, at times clawing and others punching. It was his strongest move, one trained by fighting against the wolf packs that sought to kill him in the desert. It was one that he had created himself and powered with his Ki. Fast and unrelenting like a pack of wolves on a hunt, the only person who had survived it unscathed had been Goku.

Until now.

Initially, the barrage of blows seemed to work, pushing the bald monk back. In fact, his blank face had even begun to panic. The problem was the body. Even as Krillin's face contorted, his arms had moved in small circular motions. Nothing big or overwhelming, but that small movement was somehow enough to cover the entirety of the torso to redirect all the blows and strikes.

Yamcha was tiring. He wanted to stop. In fact, he had begun to slow down when he saw something enter Krillin's eye. The panic stopped clouding it and sharpened into focus and then Krillin stepped forward, arms still rotating to block. And eyes filled with disappointment and… apathy. As if Yamcha had stopped being important and was now merely a chore to deal with.

That was the point Yamcha decided to keep the Wolf Fang Fist up. Longer. Faster. Harder.He couldn't stop because as soon as he stopped, Krillin would recover. More importantly, he'd be forgotten. He didn't know why that thought was so frightening, but Yamcha didn't want to be forgotten. He wanted to be remembered. In fact, fuck it, he wanted to win.

He had peeked and scouted out the competition earlier. Goku's matches first, but then he saw Krillin talking with him. So he had watched him, just for kicks, to see the person that Goku saw as a rival. He then continued watching to figure out a strategy against him.

Krillin's fighting style was fast and efficient. He never traded blows if he could, opting to dodge and develop a few surgical strikes. Each of his matches was fast and didn't leave much to hint at how to beat him. Just that he ended things fast. So Yamcha had to be faster than him. That was step one done seeing as he struck first.

Yamcha was working on the rest of the steps, but this was working. He had Krillin effectively pinned in place, having him on the backstep. That look of apathy was gone replaced with grit and determination. It was a war of territory where he was attacking and Krillin defending. He could win this if he kept the barrage up and push him back up against the boundary and then out of the ring.

So Yamcha didn't stop. Keeping his arms moving, Yamcha stepped forward to press the advantage and--- His world tilted. A small part of Yamcha noted that the foot he had stepped forward with had been sweeped.

The larger part had him bring his arms in front of his face in a cross-block against One. Two. Threefourfivesixseveneight Punches. The first two hits had hurt the most. By the time three to eight had arrived, he had already begun flying back out of range, so those punches didn't hurt even a quarter of much as the impact of the wall did. Just a bit to the right and he'd have been out of bounds.

After sliding down the wall, Yamcha leant against it and wheezed. Getting back onto his feet, Yamcha dropped into his stance again, asking remarkably clearly, despite the tilting of the world,"What the hell was that that!?"

"Wing Chun Style," Krillin answered, taking slow, measured steps that somehow crossed more distance than expected. He quickly but cautiously approached Yamcha, still keeping the rotating arms, but much slower. "By keeping my arms close to the center of my body and using small circular motions, I can block any blows to the torso and head with my forearms. In theory, I can block then counterattack, but your attacks moved too fast for me to even think beyond defending. Fortunately, the style also utilizes kicks and sweeps. Which is what I did. Sweep your step that is."

...That was a surprisingly simple explanation for something that hurt like a bitch. Spitting a bloody loogie to the side, Yamcha breathed in and out. His arms burned with exhaustion, but if he wanted to win, he was going to have to do that again. Trying to buy more time, Yamcha insulted Krillin, "Bullshit."

"Nah, I just practiced my fundamentals," Krillin shrugged, stopping his forward march, a body away from Yamcha. "What I call bullshit is how long you sustained that fucking bullshit barrage of hits. How long was that ref?"

Yamcha didn't know why Krillin was stalling, but he sure wasn't complaining about having extra time to recover.

"Well, you two were in the center for about five minutes," the announcer hummed. Yamcha was surprised, he was sure that it had been much shorter. "It was… actually kind of boring because we couldn't see what was happening beyond a blur."

"Invest in high speed cameras next time then. Ain't my problem when bullshit like that starts happening," Krillin dismissed casually. Stepping forward once more, he casually said, "Okay, maybe it is my problem since I'm part of it, but I'm not slowing down. That fucker almost stabbed my eyes out."

Despite the monk's words, Yamcha doubted that he felt anything at all. His face hadn't changed much from the beginning. If Yamcha wasn't looking at the eyes, he wouldn't even known that the monk could feel. And damn it all, Krillin wasn't even breathing hard. Fuck, Yamcha kind of wanted to give up now. Knowing Goku was going to be here was one thing, but to have a calmer version? A calmer version that thought beyond the next few blows. Fuck that. He opened his mouth to surr-

Biting the inside of his cheek, Yamcha recovered from his bout of fear. Fuck that. If he was going to lose, he wasn't going to wimp out. And didn't he say he want to win earlier!?Settling into his stance once more, Yamcha snarled, "You're going down, Baldie."

"Krillin. My name is Krillin."

Nodding his head, Yamcha reintroduced himself, "Yamcha." His name was going to be remembered. He was the Wolf of the Diablo Desert! He would not be forgot--

"...Um," Krillin stared blankly, arms pausing for once, "I knew that? We just talked?"

...It was kind of funny how Krillin was so like Goku, completely destroying the feel of a serious conversation. Despite how Krillin seemed to have a switch when it came to fighting, he was surprisingly naive, missing certain social norms just like Goku. Both of them were strong. Both of them had a natural talent for fighting. And both of them fought at their own pace. That last three was the terrifying part. Nevertheless, Yamcha leapt forward once more.

"WOLF FANG FIST!"

Fist. Claw. Palm. Knife. Strike. Kick. Move to the side. Hit. Slice. Strike. Move to the side. Axe kick. High kick. Low kick. Scratch. Bite. Gnaw. Relentless was what this attack was and relentless was what Yamcha strived to become.

Longer and faster and stronger than before, Yamcha felt his Ki go from mere illusionary wolves to solidify into actual ones that bit and gnawed. He felt giddy. Before, he called it that because he had based the movements on wolves. Now though. Now he was a wolf, he was many wolves. He was a pack of wolves. Somehow, he was improving in the fight, learning a new technique that made his strength grow and shine even as he honed this new revelation of Ki usage..

Which made it all the more terrifying that Krillin hadn't even moved from his spot. Even as Yamcha circled around him, Krillin shifted to face him. No matter how many hits or feints, Krillin blocked them. Even when Yamcha began trying to hit his legs in an attempt to break Krillin's stance, it felt as if he was fighting a statue.

Still, he couldn't stop. He was getting too tired to continue though, so he had to end this! Lunging with a final two handed punch, one fist aimed at the stomach and one aimed at the head, Yamcha shouted, "LUNGING WOLF!"

It wasn't even a surprise when both fists were nudged off course by the rotating hands, leaving his chest open for the two palmed strike that followed into a devestating counterattack. Much as he tried, he couldn't find the strength to cling to the stage with all the air knocked out of his lungs.

"VICTORY BY RING OUT!" Yamcha heard the announcer as his lungs slowly reinflated.

"Thank you for the fight. I learnt much from you," Krillin bowed to him, walking to the edge to the stage to do so. When he stood up, his entire demeanor changed, taking on that relaxed, easy manner that was so much like Gohan. Crossing his arms behind his head, Krillin stretched, yawning, "Whelp, I'm going to get something to snack on. See you later"

Yamcha could only nod at that, leaning back to wheeze for breath. ...Yeah! He lasted! He lasted longer than any of his other opponents! AND he even got Krillin to say something! Multiple somethings! None of his other opponents got that, only him! The Great Yamcha! He showed him! He sure showed him! Ha! Maybe Bullma even found him cool? He lasted against somebody that even Goku had trouble with! And… was that all he wanted? To just last.

...To be… a decent bump in the road?

...What did he want to be? If two kids younger than him could be stronger than him, what did it mean? Was he useless? Should he give up? What did he, Yamcha, Former Desert Wolf, want to be?





By the Six Realms, that was a hard fight. Was the Wolf Fang Fist always that fast and brutal? I swear he manifested actual Ki Wolves! Fucking BULL-SHIT! It took everything I had to keep up that defense. And the asshole kept it up for a total of fifteen minutes straight!

If I hadn't been using Ki to reinforce my limbs, I'd have broken bones and bitemarks. Who the hell manifests wolves!? I don't remember that being canon! Or maybe it was? Yamcha did get forgotten pretty fast. Ugh, shoving all of that in the Don't-Think-About-How-Fucked-Up-Canon-Is-Right-Now box.

Being an MMA nerd was a definite plus. Good to know that applying martial arts that have been empowered by Ki can bring about some pretty useful bullshit-tier techniques. I blocked half the hits without fully seeing them and that counterattack was just flat out instinctual! Huzzah for practice makes perfect! My techniques are probably never going to match up to laser beam fights, but right now? Technique beats power every day! Even if it hurts like a bitch. Even if there were no bite marks, my arms hurt from blocking those Ki Wolves. Seriously, could Yamcha always do that!?

Still, that went better than expected. I won! I'm in the finals! After the next match, I'm going to rest and SLEEP! After all, today has been a long day. Got on a plane, got on a car, got on a lot of things. I had a few scuffles. Looking at the moon in the sky, I grinned. After the next match, the day was finally going to be over.

The moon… I feel like that's important…

Meh, I'm hungry. I should get something to eat. I'll probably regret it and throw it up in the next fight, but fuck it! I'm a shoo in for second or first place. I'm bound to win something even if I lose the next match.
 
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