I think they tried the latter in canon, but either way, both are impossible. Shenron can't affect people stronger than his creator like that. If you voluntarily wished to be immortal, then sure, but if you said "make me stronger," he could only make you as powerful as Kami, and if you said "kill Vegeta," it would fail, because Kami was never stronger than Vegeta.What about making a wish the he switches bodies with Vegeta the moment he steps foot on Earth? Or a wire gets crossed on their pods so the Saiyans take a left swing into a deadly asteroid?
I was under the impression that you can't wish to be immortal, or that if it did, you'll be turn to stone or something along the line.
You absolutely can. It even happens twice; though, I forgive you for forgetting the second one, as Super wasn't very good.I was under the impression that you can't wish to be immortal, or that if it did, you'll be turn to stone or something along the line.
Usually, I like to grab a BUNCH of comments before respondingI just waiting for Krillin to use the seikuken to survive against an enemy .
Well that if he is a sei figther , it would be funny if he ends up being a do figther
Of everything SI here could steal from JJBA, Hamon is probably the least offensive thing in the world of DB.
I totally agree on no one really focusing on the other supernatural stuff like magic and psychics. I'd recommend taking a peek at A Craving For Power which handles it really well. A couple nsfw omakes and it's on QQ so no direct link. We also had a good wish planned out. Wishing for knowledge is great because it doesn't involve affecting people stronger than Shenron and it's reusable.I want to introduce other shit.
Like Ki infused academics. Also magic is a thing.
You've just made my day. Thanks for writing this!The plan is for Krillin to upgrade vanilla martial arts with Ki. So expect to see some of the bullshit from History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi.
But is the baseball pod they're riding in stronger than Kami?I think they tried the latter in canon, but either way, both are impossible. Shenron can't affect people stronger than his creator like that. If you voluntarily wished to be immortal, then sure, but if you said "make me stronger," he could only make you as powerful as Kami, and if you said "kill Vegeta," it would fail, because Kami was never stronger than Vegeta.
Destroying the pod kills Vegeta. If these kinds of technicalities worked, then Shenron wouldn't have limitations.
Well yeah, Shenron can't 'directly' kill someone stronger than kami, but he might be able to change the pod which the sayians are in, as the pod or at least the wires are not stronger than kami😅. It might be more if strong people surround themselves with ki which affects the effect of shenrong's power but if not I don't see why not. They could even wish for the energy of the pod to vanish or deplete , instant stop of sayian threat. I know that sayians coming kinda push the story but...... have to have changes or it just becomes a text version of the show with inner monolouge of a more genre savvy character.think they tried the latter in canon, but either way, both are impossible. Shenron can't affect people stronger than his creator like that. If you voluntarily wished to be immortal, then sure, but if you said "make me stronger," he could only make you as powerful as Kami, and if you said "kill Vegeta," it would fail, because Kami was never stronger than Vegeta
To be fair, that might be even worse. Vegeta got Super Saiyan just by being really angry. Being stranded on a world or in space might be considered enough of an existential beating for those Zenkai boosts.Well yeah, Shenron can't 'directly' kill someone stronger than kami, but he might be able to change the pod which the sayians are in, as the pod or at least the wires are not stronger than kami😅. It might be more if strong people surround themselves with ki which affects the effect of shenrong's power but if not I don't see why not. They could even wish for the energy of the pod to vanish or deplete , instant stop of sayian threat. I know that sayians coming kinda push the story but...... have to have changes or it just becomes a text version of the show with inner monolouge of a more genre savvy character.
Thus, through SI shenanigans, Krillin eventually creates a party with a barbarian (Goku), a wizard (Piccolo), a cleric (Krillin, someone's gotta carry the beans), a rouge (Tien), and a bard (Yamcha).More or less. Most of the top level fighters are massively over dependent on raw power, just musclewizarding through every problem. If they run into a problem they can't quite bulldoze then they either pull more power out of their ass or, as happens just as often, they go down like chumps.
And, you know what? That is fine. Saiyans are designed for that sort of thing and, lucky enough, you have a saiyan right there. There are quite a few problems you need the biggest bulldozer you can find for and no amount of finesse will make a decent substitute.
But finesse very much has its place. You can hit way above your weight class and win many fights in ways that make them barely even resemble fights. The setting needs its cheating bastards, its guile heroes, its goddamn assassins if every third fight isn't going to come down to a coinflip as to who power leveled more.
I'm picturing Krillin as the Rogue/Skillmonkey actually. Suppressing his spiritual signature down to almost nothing, putting a kienzan (or some similar trick) through the top of an enemy's head when they are at the peak of their monologue, steal everything of plot relevance before the rest of the party even gets there, etc. Though considering the things that Roshi would be willing to teach to someone actually willing to learn I imagine there are a lot of options for alternate styles there.Thus, through SI shenanigans, Krillin eventually creates a party with a barbarian (Goku), a wizard (Piccolo), a cleric (Krillin, someone's gotta carry the beans), a rouge (Tien), and a bard (Yamcha).
Honestly, I was thinking the same thing, but then I wondered who would be the dedicated healer in the 5-man band. I also realized Clerics, spec'd right, can hurt just as bad as they can heal. If Krillin kept his been bag, he'd fit the cleric archetype a bit better than the rogue archetype.I'm picturing Krillin as the Rogue/Skillmonkey actually. Suppressing his spiritual signature down to almost nothing, putting a kienzan (or some similar trick) through the top of an enemy's head when they are at the peak of their monologue, steal everything of plot relevance before the rest of the party even gets there, etc. Though considering the things that Roshi would be willing to teach to someone actually willing to learn I imagine there are a lot of options for alternate styles there.