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Gil and Hakuno's Excellent Adventure [Fate CCC/????]

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TehChron said:
I'd have Enkidu charge forward as Gilgamesh attempts to peg him with GoB, Enkidu using shapeshifting to creatively employ the wreckage to assist in dodging and blocking strikes, only for Gil to smirk and try to hit him with his namesake
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I, personally, always thought it'd make more sense if Enkidu was Enkidu.
Gil values that chain more than Ea. And frankly, the idea he'd name a random NP he had after his only friend, as if that would replace him in any way...
 
Nanimani said:
I, personally, always thought it'd make more sense if Enkidu was Enkidu.
Gil values that chain more than Ea. And frankly, the idea he'd name a random NP he had after his only friend, as if that would replace him in any way...
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Not to replace. To honor him.

There is a huge difference between the two and thinking otherwise is just projecting.
 
Nanimani said:
I, personally, always thought it'd make more sense if Enkidu was Enkidu.
Gil values that chain more than Ea. And frankly, the idea he'd name a random NP he had after his only friend, as if that would replace him in any way...
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Yeah, agreed. I always figured there was something really special about that chain in how it was related to Enkidu. Gilgamesh would not give that name lightly, and he barely ever refers to Enkidu otherwise.
 
query said:
Not sure why but the idea of ancient Mesopotamia having commercial airlines, vaccines, healthcare, knowing-to-wash-ones-hands and everything else plus a thousand fills me with profound irritation.
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They had flying vehicles, but they certainly weren't commercial. Did you really think the King of Heroes would allow mere mongrels to step upon his airships?

I'm not sure the treasures of the Gate of Babylon imply Uruk had a high tech base in general so much as it had a bunch of one-off unique masterwork near miracles, each of which was the life's work of a grandmaster artisan-sorceror, and each of which were promptly stuffed into Gil's bag of holding never to see the light of day again.

It's not so much that there was any unexplainable technological degradation as that anything more fancy than a shovel was locked away in a transdimensional vault after Gil died and no one could get at any of that stuff for hundreds of years?
 
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HymnOfRagnarok said:
Yeah, agreed. I always figured there was something really special about that chain in how it was related to Enkidu. Gilgamesh would not give that name lightly, and he barely ever refers to Enkidu otherwise.
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They were the last remnants of Enkidu, chains made of his own flesh to bind the Bull of Heaven as both he and Gilgamesh held it down for the latter to give the killing blow. When the gods reverted Enkidu back into clay, Gilgamesh reforged these chains with his own two hands and brought the mighty gods of Uruk down low in subjugation for their crimes against him. Thus were the gods of Uruk maimed and mutilated, reduced to but former shades of their glory; though there was one who managed to come out far less scathed than the others. That god would eventually become Divine Spirit YHWH and would be one of the few gods that survived for a while after the end of their age.
 
EnderofWorlds said:
They were the last remnants of Enkidu, chains made of his own flesh to bind the Bull of Heaven as both he and Gilgamesh held it down for the latter to give the killing blow. When the gods reverted Enkidu back into clay, Gilgamesh reforged these chains with his own two hands and brought the mighty gods of Uruk down low in subjugation for their crimes against him. Thus were the gods of Uruk maimed and mutilated, reduced to but former shades of their glory; though there was one who managed to come out far less scathed than the others. That god would eventually become Divine Spirit YHWH and would be one of the few gods that survived for a while after the end of their age.
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What about Gilgamesh's mom? She was a god, so... Did Gilgamesh kill her too?
 
That reminds me. I asked this over in the wdango thread, but no one was really sure. Is there any definitive info on how the age of Gods ended, and what happened to the Gods? There's talk of Gilgamesh ending it, but also that it ended at around 1 C.E.

Mostly off topic, but I figured someone may know.
 
How in the world did Gil maim and subjugate the god's?
Didn't they create him and his equal? (Though with an actual birth(?) rather then forming him from clay.)
Couldn't they pool together like before and create a more obedient being to rival him again or simply descend down to earth and combat him?
 
query said:
How in the world did Gil maim and subjugate the god's?
Didn't they create him and his equal? (Though with an actual birth(?) rather then forming him from clay.)
Couldn't they pool together like before and create a more obedient being to rival him again or simply descend down to earth and combat him?
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Like I said, I'm not sure if there is anything definitive about how the age of Gods ended, and what exactly Gil had to do with it.

That said, it wouldn't be surprising, considering that Gilgamesh is Nasu's waifu.
 
HidCyan said:
They had flying vehicles, but they certainly weren't commercial. Did you really think the King of Heroes would allow mere mongrels to step upon his airships?

I'm not sure the treasures of the Gate of Babylon imply Uruk had a high tech base in general so much as it had a bunch of one-off unique masterwork near miracles, each of which was the life's work of a grandmaster artisan, and each of which were promptly stuffed into Gil's bag of holding never to see the light of day again.

It's not so much that there was any unexplainable technological degradation as that anything more fancy than a shovel was locked away in a transdimensional vault after Gil died and no one could get at any of that stuff for hundreds of years?
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Diller said:
Turns out humans are really unoriginal as we've always had the same basic desires and Uruk was just so advanced that they already had modern day stuff and Gil owning all the world's treasures has them too. The gate expressedly is said to have submarines and Airplanes.

Not to surprising since we did know Vimana had nukes.
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This, it was all master-work magitech that was impossible to replace as time went on.

notmi said:
Nah, Nasu hates everything modern. Something something swords are awesome.
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Nasu is a huge fan of high fantasy/ mythology and Science Fiction, he just doesn't care to much for the modern day. Remember Gil's ambitions is to see humanity become a space faring civilization and the World of Angel Notes had human technology become so advance it was basically all magic again.
Meh said:
And FTL Spacecrafts
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That exists because the GoB gets retroactively updated on every "treasure" of human creation so even if it gets created sometime in the future it will also exist in Gil's vault.
Diller said:
It's party this.

Remember Modern humans are explicit said to have weaker thank to several things(the Tower of Babel resulting in the loss of the Unified Language, human souls being weaker thanks to the power of Alaya being more divided thanks to the higher number of humans, and the Age of Man succeeding them age of the gods and all the mystery starting to fade from the world since we have "explained" the unknown with scientific fact.)
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And eventually things will start going back up again as people use science to make themselves super humans. The history of the Nasuverse is the history of a high fantasy setting slowly turning into a science fiction setting, its just that the modern era is at the nadir of that point where the power of magecraft and the power of science is mostly even and depending on circumstances to determine which is superior. In another hundred years humanity will start getting stronger again via science while magecraft will continue to get weaker and weaker till it fades away completely.
 
notmi said:
That reminds me. I asked this over in the wdango thread, but no one was really sure. Is there any definitive info on how the age of Gods ended, and what happened to the Gods? There's talk of Gilgamesh ending it, but also that it ended at around 1 C.E.

Mostly off topic, but I figured someone may know.
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Official end of the Age of Gods is basically 1 C.E., though it wasn't exactly all at once and there were still areas where it wasn't quite dead; usually isloated island nations like England and Japan. What Gilgamesh did was set this inevitable downfall in motion, had he done the job he was created for it would've never happened.

...Yes, that means that you can make jokes about how Australia had all sorts of deadly Phantasmal Beasts for the longest time.

query said:
How in the world did Gil maim and subjugate the god's?
Didn't they create him and his equal? (Though with an actual birth(?) rather then forming him from clay.)
Couldn't they pool together like before and create a more obedient being to rival him again or simply descend down to earth and combat him?
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It's canon that since Gilgamesh was created to be the perfect mix of man and god that he transcended both man and god. The gods kinda screwed the pooch on that one there.

And they did try the whole 'make a being to reign him in'; it's name was Enkidu and we all know how that goes. Basically, at that point the gods realized that kinda shot themselves in the foot there and fucked themselves over, and decided that it was safer to not end up making yet another being capable of kicking their asses.
 
notmi said:
That reminds me. I asked this over in the wdango thread, but no one was really sure. Is there any definitive info on how the age of Gods ended, and what happened to the Gods? There's talk of Gilgamesh ending it, but also that it ended at around 1 C.E.

Mostly off topic, but I figured someone may know.
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Garden of Avalon has plenty -and I mean plenty- of world-building details up to and including exactly when the AoG ended, the purpose of Saber's holy spear, 'The other side of the World', and Arthurian mythology as seen through the Mushroom's lenses.

Sidenote: Gilgamesh did not end AoG then and there during his lifetime, what he did was start it's decline. AoG formally ended five centuries before Arturia's time.
 
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EnderofWorlds said:
Official end of the Age of Gods is basically 1 C.E., though it wasn't exactly all at once and there were still areas where it wasn't quite dead; usually isloated island nations like England and Japan. What Gilgamesh did was set this inevitable downfall in motion, had he done the job he was created for it would've never happened.
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How did he set in motion the destruction of self sufficient Gods of basically limitless power?
Ihaxlikenoob said:
Garden of Avalon has plenty -and I mean plenty- of world-building details up to and including exactly when the AoG ended, the purpose of Saber's holy spear, 'The other side of the World', and Arthurian mythology as seen through the Mushroom's lenses.
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That means nothing to me. I know most of the words, but put together like that, I'm lost.
 
Ihaxlikenoob said:
Garden of Avalon has plenty -and I mean plenty- of world-building details up to and including exactly when the AoG ended, the purpose of Saber's holy spear, 'The other side of the World', and Arthurian mythology as seen through the Mushroom's lenses.
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>Avalon (the sheathe) bring Saber to the Other Side of the World to make her untouchable by anything
>Astolfo's hippogriff can travel to the Other Side of the World as its special ability and take him there
>Gate of Babylon has the originals of all Noble Phantasms, so it would also have the Original HippogriffTM​ inside it as well

Therefore, we can conclude without a doubt, that Gate of Babylon > Avalon and that Gilgamesh can in fact beat Saber when she has it. Problem? :V

notmi said:
How did he set in motion the destruction of self sufficient Gods of basically limitless power?
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By setting the foundation of the self-sufficiency of mankind, thus making gods useless and fall from divinity because humans stopped needing them. Gods need belief to stay gods, otherwise they get demoted.
 
EnderofWorlds said:
And they did try the whole 'make a being to reign him in'; it's name was Enkidu and we all know how that goes. Basically, at that point the gods realized that kinda shot themselves in the foot there and fucked themselves over, and decided that it was safer to not end up making yet another being capable of kicking their asses.
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Honestly, that it only took them two tries to learn from their mistakes is being fairly quick on the uptake, for gods. Usually they either see the problem from the word go, or they keep making the same mistakes over and over.

Though, I prefer to think of the situation as, "If we keep making creations to sop Gilgamesh, he'll keep converting them to his cause. Damn the A+ Charisma of that handsome miscreant!"
 
notmi said:
How did he set in motion the destruction of self sufficient Gods of basically limitless power?

That means nothing to me. I know most of the words, but put together like that, I'm lost.
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Rhongomyniad (Saber's Holy Spear, the one she killed Mordred with incidentally) is basically the lock that prevents the Age of Man from regressing back into the Age of Gods. 'Course removing the lock itself doesn't start the regression, something else has to externally do that.
It also shoots beams of light.

'The Other Side of the World' is basically where most of the magical beasties fucked off to when the Age of Man came, including the Fae and Dragons. Basically it's a, say alternate realm that exists on the planet, but is quite inaccessible to those not invited (Gaia says: fuck you Kaleidoscope). Avalon is located here.

Nasu made the Round Table a mystic code, and Excalibur has a hidden 'anti-world threat' function that unleashes its true power (guess the Last Phantasm title was finally elaborated on), and other such interesting stuff.
 
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query said:
Couldn't they pool together like before and create a more obedient being to rival him again or simply descend down to earth and combat him?
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Isn't that pretty much Exactly what they did when they created Enkidu.

They built an obedient and powerful weapon to counter Gilgamesh. Of course, The entire Gil/Enkidu thing happened and Gil pretty much subverted their weapon. Also, Bull of Heaven after that. Which also got wrecked.

And we also have to remember that not all gods are war gods. And well... They got wreckt again by Gil after the whole Enkidu thing.
 
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Ihaxlikenoob said:
Rhongomyniad (Saber's Holy Spear, the one she killed Mordred with incidentally) is basically the lock that prevents the Age of Man into regressing back into the Age of Gods. 'Course removing the lock itself doesn't start the regression, something else has to externally do that.

'The Other Side of the World' is basically where most of the magical beasties fucked off to when the Age of Man came, including the Fae and Dragons. Basically it's a, say alternate realm that exists on the planet, but is quite inaccessible to those not invited (Gaia says: fuck you Kaleidoscope).

Nasu made the Round Table a mystic code, and Excalibur has a hidden 'anti-world threat' function that unleashes it's true power (guess the Last Phantasm title was finally elaborated on), and other such interesting stuff.
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God, every bit of worldbuilding I hear from Nasu makes me like the series a little bit less.
 
Avalon said:
They built an obedient and powerful weapon to counter Enkidu. Of course, The entire Gil/Enkidu thing happened and Gil pretty much subverted their weapon.
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Even then he wasn't exactly 'subverted' so much as he decided to creatively reinterpret their orders.

From Fate Strange/Fake:
Just like Gilgamesh's rebellion, the Gods miscalculated again with Enkidu.

The "weapon" descent to earth and acquired intelligence through interactions with men. He wished to connect the world of Gods with the world of men in his own way. Returning the chisel to the Gods, by closing the distance between Gods and men.

In other words, the Gods shall not control men.

And men would advance to the level of Gods.

He thus chose to become a "system".

He would become the weapon of the King that ruled the mortal world, and expend himself for the purpose of advancing the world.

He chose to become a "man".

He would stand beside the King and dispel his solitude.
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notmi said:
Except the Gods that existed before humanity, I guess?
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As Amaterasu showed us, high-level gods are mostly exempt from the time-axis. Basically, the natural phenomenon that would become the first gods became gods when mankind began to worship them, though they immediately existed before they were worshiped because man believed them to exist back then so they did.

notmi said:
God, every bit of worldbuilding I hear from Nasu makes me like the series a little bit less.
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Really? I rather liked Garden of Avalon and the worldbuilding it provided.
 
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