Servants could adjust their own stats in the Moon Cell?
No, but since Karna fully believes that he's super-ultra lucky to have Jinako as his master his Luck stat reflects that, despite that absoultely not being the case and him having the same luck as always.

Basically, it looks like A+ on the stat sheet but is actually D like it's supposed to be.
 
If people catch Gilgamesh and Enkidu firing off Origin, people are gonna shit enough bricks to rebuild the wall of Uruk.

Well, a crappy wall of Uruk.
 
If people catch Gilgamesh and Enkidu firing off Origin, people are gonna shit enough bricks to rebuild the wall of Uruk.

Well, a crappy wall of Uruk.

Oh that's right if F/SF and the description are ndications these two won't hold back and Gil's origin description explicitly says he'll only use it on worthy opponents and He considered Enkidu his only equal.

Jesus no wonder everyone will be crapping themselves. This isn't just the King of Heroes and the only person he acknowledge duking it out. It's the King of Heroes and the only person he acknowledged as an equal duking it out while fighting with their full power as heroic spirits.

Remember that summoning a full power heroic spirit is supposed to be impossible even for the Greater Grail and here we have not only two of then but also the two strongest heroic spirits to boot.

If it wasn't for the fact that these two actually love humanity and want to see them continue to grow then I would just write off the planet now.hopefully at most they'll just reshape Transylvania and cause the more supernaturally aware organizations to drink them into stupors as they try to think of how the hell they can cover this up.
 
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wouldn't the prana expenditure of two servants going all out kill Hakuno in literal seconds?

Not when Gil literally only needs us for Noble Phantasms(that EX rank IA) and Enkidu gets power from the counter force for his NPs.

Shit considering we're supposed to the the master of All 3 administrator classes who all have excellent stats and very powerful NPs the grail is likely footing the bill for power up keep anyway as otherwise there's no damn way we would still be alive now.

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Not when Gil literally only needs us for Noble Phantasms(that EX rank IA) and Enkidu gets power from the counter force for his NPs.

Shit considering we're supposed to en the master of All 3 administrator classes the grail is likely footing the bill for power up keep anyway as otherwise there's no damn way we would still be alive now.

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Ruler possessed the body of a French student named Laeticia, so we're not paying for her upkeep.
 
guess we have different idea of what "going all out means"

personally, it's not going all out unless we see Ea vs Ea collision, anything below that is just horseplay
 
guess we have different idea of what "going all out means"

personally, it's not going all out unless we see Ea vs Ea collision, anything below that is just horseplay
To a degree. There's also simply the mindset of taking one seriously, fighting smart as opposed to launching stuff at one, using weapons wish, combining one's own skills, etc.

Though, in Strange Fake they greeted each other with Enuma Elish, so that'll probably happen, yeah.
 
To a degree. There's also simply the mindset of taking one seriously, fighting smart as opposed to launching stuff at one, using weapons wish, combining one's own skills, etc.

Though, in Strange Fake they greeted each other with Enuma Elish, so that'll probably happen, yeah.

Not just Enuma Elish. Full power Enuma Elish

There's a reason I said I expect origin mode to be used and that it's only their love for humanity keeping them from nuking the planet.
 
Not just Enuma Elish. Full power Enuma Elish

There's a reason I said I expect origin mode to be used and that it's only their love for humanity keeping them from nuking the planet.
As someone who hasn't had time to begin reading the "let's play", how does his love for humanity explain his actions in Zero and Stay/Night?
 
Not just Enuma Elish. Full power Enuma Elish

There's a reason I said I expect origin mode to be used and that it's only their love for humanity keeping them from nuking the planet.

Ehh....

*waggles hand*

Gilgamesh's love is a chancy thing. Just saying, if he was on his own, I would not bet my life on his love for humanity keeping humanity alive, let alone little ol' me.
 
As someone who hasn't had time to begin reading the "let's play", how does his love for humanity explain his actions in Zero and Stay/Night?

Gil's attitude is affected by the era he's summoned in. The modern society pisses him off so he's in a bad mood. Things got worse when he got the grail mud on him since it made him even more of an asshole.

He actually likes the virtual environment of the moon cell so he was closer to his original personality. His attitude was further improved by his infractions with Hakuno(Ender mention it's his connection to is that keeps him from being affected by being in the modern world for the Great Holy Grail War$ which have culminated in us summonig Enkidu so Gil is pretty much at his happiest right now.
 
Gil's attitude is affected by the era he's summoned in. The modern society pisses him off so he's in a bad mood. Things got worse when he got the grail mud on him since it made him even more of an asshole.
Nasu explicitly said this was not the case.

As for modern society, Ender said something to the effect that it won't affect him here for some reason.
 
Gil's attitude is affected by the era he's summoned in. The modern society pisses him off so he's in a bad mood. Things got worse when he got the grail mud on him since it made him even more of an asshole.

He actually likes the virtual environment of the moon cell so he was closer to his original personality. His attitude was further improved by his infractions with Hakuno(Ender mention it's his connection to is that keeps him from being affected by being in the modern world for the Great Holy Grail War$ which have culminated in us summonig Enkidu so Gil is pretty much at his happiest right now.
How does a total callousness for morality and human life indicate a love for humanity, bad mood (however much of an exaggeration that might be) or not? Plus, I thought the mud didn't do shit to him?
 
As someone who hasn't had time to begin reading the "let's play", how does his love for humanity explain his actions in Zero and Stay/Night?
I was under the impression that by fate/stay night, Gilgamesh could not stand humanity as it was in the modern era, state that he consider as needless decadence, that he would rather destroy most of them with the grail, while ruling over those who could overcome the adversity. So, tough love?
 
I was under the impression that by fate/stay night, Gilgamesh could not stand humanity as it was in the modern era, state that he consider as needless decadence, that he would rather destroy most of them with the grail, while ruling over those who could overcome the adversity. So, tough love?
So, he loves humanity, but wanted it to be strong and thus saw his actions and kills as simply making humanity better, born renewed?
 
How does a total callousness for morality and human life indicate a love for humanity, bad mood (however much of an exaggeration that might be) or not? Plus, I thought the mud didn't do shit to him?
His love is for humanity rather than humans, from what I've been able to tell. He wants humanity to be strong, and cares very little for most of the mongrels.

inb4 gets corrected
 
Ehh....

*waggles hand*

Gilgamesh's love is a chancy thing. Just saying, if he was on his own, I would not bet my life on his love for humanity keeping humanity alive, let alone little ol' me.

He wants to see humanity grow. That why being summoned in modern times pisses him off since humanity has gotten so weak and why he wanted to use AM not to kill off him all but to cull it to take out "those unworthy of being ruled by him."

Gil loves humanity as a whole. He gives little shits about the individual unless they interest him in some way.

Nasu explicitly said this was not the case.

Oh yeah I think that something Urobuchi came up with.
 
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I was under the impression that by fate/stay night, Gilgamesh could not stand humanity as it was in the modern era, state that he consider as needless decadence, that he would rather destroy most of them with the grail, while ruling over those who could overcome the adversity. So, tough love?

As I recall, his job as King is to judge humanity and determine who is worthy. So it's like his stated style of kingship, in which he provides objective judgement.

It's just that judging each human is boring as fuck, so Gilgamesh decided he'd rather just dump Grail mud over the world, and the survivors are the ones worthy of his kingdom.
 
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I was under the impression that by fate/stay night, Gilgamesh could not stand humanity as it was in the modern era, state that he consider as needless decadence, that he would rather destroy most of them with the grail, while ruling over those who could overcome the adversity. So, tough love?

Yep. I believe CCC put it as him being the "harsh wind" that would be an obstacle for them to overcome. To force them to grow stronger and be better for it.
 
How does a total callousness for morality and human life indicate a love for humanity, bad mood (however much of an exaggeration that might be) or not? Plus, I thought the mud didn't do shit to him?
Gilgamesh's incarnation is affected by the era he's summoned in, his human side adjusting to match the characteristics of the humans of that era. So since modern era humans are self-destructive by Nasu's words, Gilgamesh jumps onto the humanity purgetrain.
 
Gilgamesh's incarnation is affected by the era he's summoned in, his human side adjusting to match the characteristics of the humans of that era. So since modern era humans are self-destructive by Nasu's words, Gilgamesh jumps onto the humanity purgetrain.

This combined with the weakness of modern humanity infuriating him puts him in a bad mood hence why he's such an asshole in Zero and FSN.

How did he put it? Something like
Back in Uruk even he couldn't kill off people willynilly since each Human life was precious yet. Now there is so many of us that it doesn't really matter anymore.

However we're dealing with near maximum happiness Gilgamesh. The only way he could be happier is if he was summoned in an era where either Humanity was full of badasses or had regained their badassery.
 
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So since modern era humans are self-destructive by Nasu's words,
Really?
I always feel that Fate deliberately ignores a lot of the benefits of the modern age. :(

Seriously I want one character to be summoned, take one look at the modern world and go.
"Holy shit this is amazing!"

"These scrying devices are common? You mean everyone has them!"
"This chilled cream comes in how many flavors!?"
"The moon? But I heard it's invested with blood drinking beasts!"
"A world of your own controlled and displayed inside a box!"
"This liquid powers your instruments through explosions, how mad... yet ingenious!"

Stupid Grail with its modern_age.pdf takes all the wonder out of exploring a new age.
[Sulks] It probably taints the information and puts a focus on the not-so-good stuff as well.
 
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