Gate - thus the jsdf fought there discussion, idea, and recs thread

Question. Has there been fics where Japan went into the other side of the gate, and, say, got their asses kicked?

I got 2 ideas for it.

1. Another gate opened somewhere. This can connect to another form of Japan, or another dimension altogether. These, along with the guys in Japan, are able to take down the jsdf or at least stall them.

2. The empire is actually a backwater.

Think, like, the fantasy equivalent of, say, north korea/ Syria/ Iraq/ Micronesia.

When the jsdf flies out of the empire and continue acting up, then, well...... stuff happens.
There is one on SB that has a similar idea to #1. A 2nd Gate connects to an Earth where the Soviet Union had conquered Japan, where Britain is still an Empire, and the US is still kind of isolationist.
 
Got something in the works :3

It's an intro excerpt from a GATE/RWBY cross I'm thinking about doing. Like in canon, Gates opened up from time to time on earth, but here it does so on Remnant.

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Many years ago when our great empire was but a disparate mass of warring tribes scrabbling for survival, she came. From the gate of the gods did she come, glowing a resplendent gold as if blessed by the Sun God Ri Gong Tai Yang himself. With her came a retinue of one hundred god children, each a peerless warrior able to defeat a hundred mortals with naught but their bare fists.

Her beauty, unrivaled. Her strength,
absolute. It was she who sought to unite the many tribes of our continent under one banner. She did not war for glory nor power, it was with a burning fist that she brought us together to ensure our survival. Though she brought to us glorious light, a great darkness appear to snuff out that flame...

And as foretold,
they came. Oh did they come. A legion of masked demons whose only desire was the consumption of all who lived.

When the great foe appeared, their numbers uncountable, did she fully unleash herself. Where mortals fell and even our world's godlings cocooned within their thousand year mortal shells were drowned before they could be born, she stood tall above the demon tide.

The darkness wiped away by the power of holy light and in the aftermath, who else could we turn to but she who was the first to hold the
Mandate of Heaven after a millennia of conflict?

History of The First Dragon Under the Sun, Empress Taiyang Xiao Long of the Xiao Long Dynasty.
 
Got something in the works :3

It's an intro excerpt from a GATE/RWBY cross I'm thinking about doing. Like in canon, Gates opened up from time to time on earth, but here it does so on Remnant.

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Many years ago when our great empire was but a disparate mass of warring tribes scrabbling for survival, she came. From the gate of the gods did she come, glowing a resplendent gold as if blessed by the Sun God Ri Gong Tai Yang himself. With her came a retinue of one hundred god children, each a peerless warrior able to defeat a hundred mortals with naught but their bare fists.

Her beauty, unrivaled. Her strength,
absolute. It was she who sought to unite the many tribes of our continent under one banner. She did not war for glory nor power, it was with a burning fist that she brought us together to ensure our survival. Though she brought to us glorious light, a great darkness appear to snuff out that flame...

And as foretold,
they came. Oh did they come. A legion of masked demons whose only desire was the consumption of all who lived.

When the great foe appeared, their numbers uncountable, did she fully unleash herself. Where mortals fell and even our world's godlings cocooned within their thousand year mortal shells were drowned before they could be born, she stood tall above the demon tide.

The darkness wiped away by the power of holy light and in the aftermath, who else could we turn to but she who was the first to hold the
Mandate of Heaven after a millennia of conflict?

History of The First Dragon Under the Sun, Empress Taiyang Xiao Long of the Xiao Long Dynasty.
So the Gate opens up between Falmart and Remnant? Or between Earth and Remnant?
 
Essentially one of Yang's ancestors and her tribe some two thousand years ago ended up on an eastern continent in the gate world. I'll probably have more to put up later.
With such a change in environment and story, I don't really see the interest of a RWBY crossover, given pretty much nothing would be the same, unless Sadera is getting eaten by Grimms, in which case it's the GATE part that would be in name only...

I guess I'll have to wait and see what you plan.
 
Personally I think an interesting idea would be the Gate opening up during the end of Volume 3. With everything going wrong, someone finds it and discovers it leads somewhere "safe." Cue some of the students and faculty of Beacon retreating through the Gate.

For sources of conflict you'll have the Imperial Army expecting to take prisoners, the population from Remnant landing in a world where there is no Dust - which means their Dust-based technology would stop working the minute the Gate shut down, and then toss in the standard "stranded in another world" stress with a dose of Remnant's Human / Faunus racism. (For bonus points they'll eventually run into more "Faunus" if they do any exploring.)

It gets better when you consider that the Remnant response to finding out they are on a world without Grimm is going to result in a debate about how to handle the Gate. On the one hand they can try to close down the Gate and be safe from the Grimm forever. (If they destroy the Gate, that is.) On the other hand they could try to hold it open and stage an evacuation to this new world .. assuming they can hold the gate against the swarm of Grimm overtaking Beacon, that is ..
 
Wel.. I was hoping for a lot more of the "and recs thread" part of the title.

But that's kinda missing.. Should add in "Crying alone, bad loli makes me think bad bad." As that's what 3 ish pages of the thread are. Mixed in with a neat idea about how the original work could be fixed.
 
Sadly there just hasn't been much fanfiction written about Gate. Those that have are either terrible or are very well known.

As for having neat ideas sometimes, not everyone who has neat ideas is a good writer. And of those, not everyone has time to write on a Gate project.
 
On gate x rwby, i once saw this idea on sb.

I'm split two ideas for the Gate opening in Vacuo.

One is serious which now feels boring as its simply the Gate opening right before a middle four way slugfest.

And the other is basically the Empire on a cliff or something to see the four Kingdom's armies fighting. They see what seems like armies of apostles clashing and killing each other, changing the very land from a beautiful jungle to a barren waste.

They basically go nope and leave. This one is humorous at its base but I figure I could add some flare into how out of their depth the Empire feels when they see this and their reports back to their leaders are like, "We were lucky that these people were too busy killing each other. We would be lucky to have lasted a few minutes if they turned their rage upon us."

This one however hits a dead end while the other does have four different sides taking turns exploring the Gate.
 
Just discovered Gate. I admit I like or at least want to like the characters even if the writing is a bit sloppy.

Obviously, the single biggest facepalm moment is the three most powerful nations in the world sending in teams to abduct the special region guests. Seriously? NONE of these teams has a proper command and control like the Japanese do? No one can tell they're right on top of each other? And they're all equipped to kill, not incapacitate? And they all walk into an ambush.

But let us suppose for a moment that any of these teams actually kidnapped the girls and made their getaway. Now what? All you can do is question them and disappear them. You can't ever publicly admit that you did such a thing.

That said, I CAN see three teams making an attempt on the girls: The first team from a certain country whose leadership actually believes that sort of behavior is acceptable and has done so in the past. A country that is neither Democratic, nor for or by the People, and is anything but a Republic.

The second group would be extremists in Japan whose sole purpose was to discredit the current government and the JSDF by showing them incompetent to protect the Special Region guests.

The third would be a 'false flag' operation. Mercenary operatives being hired by someone claiming (For example) to be the CIA to secure the representatives into protective custody, unaware they are being set up to fail and discredit their ostensive employers.

My second biggest issue is the whole "Special Region Excuse" It took a week to secure Ginza and in that time, the President of the United States would have gone on television and cited the Mutual Defense Treaty as a reason to ready all available force to help protect the people of Japan from an 'outside threat'and warning that it is just as conceivable that what happened in Ginza could just as easily happen in London, Paris, Washington, or anywhere else. The Japanese MIGHT get away with just the US citing the treaty as opposed to a full UN mission, but the idea of this being an internal matter won't fly.

Now I think the anti-foreign and especially American sentiments are played up quite blatantly but on a second layer, you can see some self-criticism of Japan made in a more subtle and more culturally acceptable way.

The foreigners are cardboard cutouts but the Japanese politicians at the higher levels are rife with their own corruption, paralyzed to act for fear of 'looking bad' You have people like Yanagida, who are clearly aiming that Japan should exploit the living hell out of the Special Region and maybe enough to tell the rest of the world to 'fuck off'. Paying little regard to the fact that such a relationship would leave Japan in control of the other world with no one to stop them. Japan dominating a pre-industrial society and taking its resources. (Suspiciously shades of the Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere). The media is shown as deliberately biased and unconcerned with fact and more concerned with spectacle and people grinding their own axes. The initial so called bargaining point for Imperial reparations to Japan is intended clearly to show Pina that Japan is in complete control because they can make a patently impossible demand that any other nation would have found insulting and told them to sod off. Demanding more gold than was mined on Earth prior to the 19th century from a civilization that seems stuck somewhere between 1300-1450 CE in development can only be a deliberate slap in the face.

Even the scene of Itami telling the diplomat that the escorting fighters must feel so free because there are no civilian or American aircraft about bears a second glance. It isn't that they couldn't just as easily been shown flying the domestically built Mitsubishi F-2 but if the pilots want to look for American planes, they just have to look under their own rear ends.

So the writing is a mixed bag but the characters, I still want to like them and the setting has lots of possibilities.

And frankly, there are still plenty of ways that a modern military could have serious problems in the Empire. With our modern mentalities, we think a hundred thousand lives lost is catastrophic but a century ago, Foch and Haig sent hundreds of thousands to be slaughtered because 'Victory is a thing of the will.' It seems many Imperials believe the same thing. If they could win only once, what would come of it?

Sorry for the rant.
 
The problem with the last bit of your rant is that we were only ever able to equip and deploy hundreds of thousands of soilders because of the industrial revolution before that a nation would have collapsed trying to muster an army large enough to absorb a hundreds of thousand losses and still function.
 
The problem with the last bit of your rant is that we were only ever able to equip and deploy hundreds of thousands of soilders because of the industrial revolution before that a nation would have collapsed trying to muster an army large enough to absorb a hundreds of thousand losses and still function.

True but the mentality is the same. Maybe not among the common soldier or to reasonable people like Pina but to Zorzal and frankly, did not the Russians throw thousands into battle against Germany telling them to pick up the weapon of the dead soldier ahead of him? And these Russians HAD to advance or be killed by their political officers.

I'm not saying it is sane. It is inherently mad.
 
So, watching GATE again got me back to an old idea.

Basically it's "GATE: And GDI Accidentally Conquered There". The premise is that GDI gets "GATE'd" and the counter invasion is so successful that GDI... accidentally conquers GATE-land much to everyone's surprise. This accidental conquest of GATE-land gets GDI to do nation building... with MCVs. Oh and Kane scares the shit out of the locals due to a legend of a banished Elder God/Goddess...
 
Isn't that kind of a, "this cat is not a dog" complaint? A lot of people like nationalistic wank with some power fantasy and a loli for good measure. Gate is what it is. I don't see why it should try to be something else.

I think the complaint is more of a "The base premise is awesome, and I'm unhappy that this turned out to be the same boring bullshit that I've read dozens of variations of" kinda thing.

I had the same problem with Naruto. I started reading with different expectations (I dunno why. I knew it was a shonen series) as to how a story based on magic ninja mercenaries would go. I was sorely disappointed.
 
Some ideas:

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Alnus Hill, Local Dusk Time

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The Gate still won't show activities since noon, and the scout team hadn't reported back.

King Duran didn't like this. He didn't like this at all.

Oh, sure, he fully awares that he and his soldiers are considered expendable. Even expected to be expendables. Nothing new about it.

But he and his loyal soldiers manages to keep on so far, with careful planning, discipline, and a bit amount of luck.

Against any known enemies they face so far.

Known enemies.

Oh, sure, the initial "invasion" was resounding success, with lots of captives. The Empire had made a fortification "there", and all they need to do simply reinforces the position for main Imperial Force that will arrived soon. Basic procedure, yadda yadda.

The problem is that Basic Procedure didn't include of leaving fortification empty of everyone. That's... that's beyond stupid. Beyond suicidal.

Pantheon knows how many battles turned upside down because some assigned guard duty on fortification decides to ditch their post and join the Fun.

When his army arrived past noon, he simply assume everyone got drunk or something. Now, he seriously consider to leave the fortification, Imperial Decree be damned. It's just too... unnatural.

And as just he decided to stay a night or two waiting for his scout, something happened....

----

It was waiting for Command.

It has buried itself inside Enemies territory, waiting for Command. To Expand. To Breed.

It was waiting. It was patient.

Then, Command Came.

----

The strike was swift and deadly.

From inside ground, dozens of creature, all swift and deadly and sturdy, rise and slaughtering his army.

But of course. He assumes Imperial Forces had cleaning this place. He assumes Imperial Forces can hold this place.

He paid the assumption with 1/10 of his army.

He considering to leave the place, darkness be damned, when worse things happened.

----

Hank is still too young to die.

He had Silia waiting for him in the village, 4 months from now.

Now he was hurt, delirious....

And had to watch his friend, his comrade....

Julius, Frank, Hector, Jurgen.... everyone....

He saw what happened. He was afraid to die.

But he's more afraid for his soul. His friend. Comrades in arms.

He know he was dead man walking.

Then he saw a mage, female, relatively unhurt.

She was not hurt by Those. Good.

"Grant... me... mercy...."

Mercy came in purifying Fireball.

----

The Gate stirred.

Glowing strand, purple, began to emanating from the Gate. Then, it spreads on the Gate.

And began to enlarging The Gate.

The land stirred. The Boundary stretched, violated, Screamed.

But it had to yield in the end.

From the Gate, the Invaders came.

Males and Females in eyeless helmet, bringing destruction from afar, unyielding in their zeal.

Brutish creatures, breed for war.

Strange, inhuman creatures with inhuman abilities.

A ruthless Titans, made of steel and fire.

On that day, the world start to burn for the furnace of Longevity.

****

Can you guess the other side?
 
A couple of thoughts here:

Using only the anime as a guide, I think we can assume the Gate has opened up in our world at least twice before Ginza and perhaps several times. We know that we have an offshoot of the Roman Empire. This assumes that a viable population went in sometime before 380 CE If Hardy is responsible for opening the Gate into Roman territory, she obviously got more than she bargained for, showing that the deities in the Gate World certainly are far from all powerful. If Hardy had any comprehension of who she was letting in, she probably would have picked a different spot.

Why? Romans are not history's most feared warriors. But they are renowned for being organized. They had to set up a viable community and defend it and then expand out in a way that none of the other races could match. I think we can assume that other groups of humans came through prior but lacked the organizational and engineering skills that made Rome so formidable. The limiting factor for these transplanted Romans would have been in building up numbers. In our world, it took 700 years between the founding of Rome to the Proclamation of an empire. In the Gate world, assuming their years are roughly consistent with ours, the Empire was proclaimed about 1330 CE our time.

Some would say this suggests that the Roman arrival would be considerably later than 3rd or 4th century CE. Assuming that it took a similar amount of time between arrival to proclaiming the Empire as from founding Rome to the reign of Augustus, that would give 700 + 687 =1387 years, subtracted from our calendar, say 2016... 2016-1387 = 629 CE as the approximate year of arrival.

The only problem with this is that Romans of that time would have brought along their State Religion: Christianity. Instead, we know they brought the old pantheon with them. How do we know this? Her name is Rory Mercury. So the Roman part of the Empire's heritage had to have arrived before 380 CE.

But a Christian group DID arrive through the Gate eventually. This took place no later than 1450 CE. Gunpowder and printing existed in our world at that time, but not with the population that went through. These people had a major impact on the Empire and it seems that while their religion did not survive, they became a significant group in the Empire. These people were English and some of them nobility. We see it in the symbolism of the Rose Order. In the adoption of the English bow, and in the name of Pina's page, Hamilton. We also see it in how fast the language barrier is overcome.

In our world, Latin has morphed immensely into an entire family of languages. I expect some forms of Latin are in use in the empire but would Itami recognize them? One language used by the Romans that is still fairly recognizable today is Greek. Greek was the language of the learned and may also be found in the Empire, but again, why would Itami recognize and understand Greek? In episode 5, it is clearly shown that Itami understands what Princess Pina is saying except the odd word here or there. That makes the most likely candidate: ENGLISH.

Certainly not our modern English, but Middle English of say the 1400s would be recognizable. It isn't Shakespeare but the language of Chaucer would be something that someone who knew English could get a general gist of even if the written forms would be trickier Also both our English and theirs would have been drifting in the same general direction due to the influence of languages of the Romance family. Specifically French historically and the mutations of Latin that exist in the Empire world. So at some point, the Empire received an infusion of English blood at the top.

Just a few thoughts
 
A couple of thoughts here:

Using only the anime as a guide, I think we can assume the Gate has opened up in our world at least twice before Ginza and perhaps several times. We know that we have an offshoot of the Roman Empire. This assumes that a viable population went in sometime before 380 CE If Hardy is responsible for opening the Gate into Roman territory, she obviously got more than she bargained for, showing that the deities in the Gate World certainly are far from all powerful. If Hardy had any comprehension of who she was letting in, she probably would have picked a different spot.

Why? Romans are not history's most feared warriors. But they are renowned for being organized. They had to set up a viable community and defend it and then expand out in a way that none of the other races could match. I think we can assume that other groups of humans came through prior but lacked the organizational and engineering skills that made Rome so formidable. The limiting factor for these transplanted Romans would have been in building up numbers. In our world, it took 700 years between the founding of Rome to the Proclamation of an empire. In the Gate world, assuming their years are roughly consistent with ours, the Empire was proclaimed about 1330 CE our time.

Some would say this suggests that the Roman arrival would be considerably later than 3rd or 4th century CE. Assuming that it took a similar amount of time between arrival to proclaiming the Empire as from founding Rome to the reign of Augustus, that would give 700 + 687 =1387 years, subtracted from our calendar, say 2016... 2016-1387 = 629 CE as the approximate year of arrival.

The only problem with this is that Romans of that time would have brought along their State Religion: Christianity. Instead, we know they brought the old pantheon with them. How do we know this? Her name is Rory Mercury. So the Roman part of the Empire's heritage had to have arrived before 380 CE.

But a Christian group DID arrive through the Gate eventually. This took place no later than 1450 CE. Gunpowder and printing existed in our world at that time, but not with the population that went through. These people had a major impact on the Empire and it seems that while their religion did not survive, they became a significant group in the Empire. These people were English and some of them nobility. We see it in the symbolism of the Rose Order. In the adoption of the English bow, and in the name of Pina's page, Hamilton. We also see it in how fast the language barrier is overcome.

In our world, Latin has morphed immensely into an entire family of languages. I expect some forms of Latin are in use in the empire but would Itami recognize them? One language used by the Romans that is still fairly recognizable today is Greek. Greek was the language of the learned and may also be found in the Empire, but again, why would Itami recognize and understand Greek? In episode 5, it is clearly shown that Itami understands what Princess Pina is saying except the odd word here or there. That makes the most likely candidate: ENGLISH.

Certainly not our modern English, but Middle English of say the 1400s would be recognizable. It isn't Shakespeare but the language of Chaucer would be something that someone who knew English could get a general gist of even if the written forms would be trickier Also both our English and theirs would have been drifting in the same general direction due to the influence of languages of the Romance family. Specifically French historically and the mutations of Latin that exist in the Empire world. So at some point, the Empire received an infusion of English blood at the top.

Just a few thoughts
Ah, you see: the Romans who arrived were Christians (canonically) I believe.
Then they got swamped with proof of other gods that were actually active. They abandoned God quick.

Naturally, the only mention of the monotheists in Gate-canon is from a time when the remnants did some final revolt-thing and, of course, burned down an irreplaceable library with all of its knowledge. That is after all all Westerners Christians know how to do, right?
 
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Ah, you see: the Romans who arrived were Christians (canonically) I believe.
Then they got swamped with proof of other gods that were actually active. They abandoned God quick.

Naturally, the only mention of the monotheists in Gate-canon is from a time when the remnants did some final revolt-thing and, of course, burned down an irreplaceable library with all of its knowledge. That is after all all Westerners Christians know how to do, right?

Canonically? I guess this is in the manga or light novels? Very odd since these Romans brought with them the names of their old gods.

But then, in their canon, they have three superpowers all pull the same insanely stupid move at the same time and in the same completely inept fashion so like the man says: "Whaddya gonna do?"
 
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Canonically? I guess this is in the manga or light novels? Very odd since these Romans brought with them the names of their old gods.

But then, in their canon, they have three superpowers all pull the same insanely stupid move at the same time and in the same completely inept fashion so like the man says: "Whaddya gonna do?"
The entire world is crapsack when it comes to naming convention - any name of a person cannot be taken as a mark of them having such cultural influences.
Or can you explain why the princess is named Pina Lo Cada, the Emperor is named Molt, there is an area/village called Tanska (Denmark in Finnish language) in the map and more besides?

The writer basically mashed names together without pause and often picked the most ludicrous examples.

It isn't unlikely that the Legion dropped into Gate would still know enough of their old main pantheon to pick back up the names: it isn't like Hellenism went poof immediately after Christendom became the main faith.
 
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