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Game, Set, [MAFIA]

Do people like pointless polls with their mafia?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 7 24.1%

  • No.

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • I didn't answer this.

    Votes: 7 24.1%

  • Wynaut?

    Votes: 13 44.8%
  • Total voters
    29
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My random options were you, scia, and Shadell. As I assumed watchers couldn't watch themselves, that was the one visit least likely to throw off any watching.
 
Well, there doesn't seem to be much that is going to provide further information. Of course, if you have anything I'd be very interested in hearing it.

But if not, does anybody have any objections to voting early?
 
I mean, I don't think it matters what you and I vote. Shadell's probably re-reading stuff, so I'd ask Scia to hold off until Shadell decides what to do.
 
Young Pyromancer said:
Looking back on the claiming, I agree it was a bad idea. If Onedine wasn't the one who really kicked things off, I would be voting for whoever it was. That being said, Meso's still weird, as he did kinda plant the idea in our minds that claiming was a good idea.
Totodile, though, claimed we had two fools with two different drawbacks. I did not see another fool claim, so I'm suspicious of them being mafia. I deliberately screwed with the exact wording of the ability I have, and if they're mafia and know all the role drawbacks, that might be why. As such, I'm voting on
[X] vote Totodileplayz
for now. Might change it if I hear an actually good reason to vote for someone besides 'everyone seems innocent, I'll just vote for someone I have a gut read on' because that's equally likely to be just some villager being paranoid/having a different playstyle than you.
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I'm an idiot.

I made such a big deal of how could Young Pyromancer be scum if they gave their shared drawback first and then I was rereading through the thread and he told us right there.

Town was only told the Mafia knew which roles were not in play. But here he says they know all the role drawbacks. That would make aping Tykan's drawback trivially easy.
 
mesonoxian said:
But here he says they know all the role drawbacks.
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...noooo? I said 'if'. I think Nictis also confirmed that they didn't start with them all later on. Also, if I knew all the drawbacks, Onedine said his drawback was different from Tykan, so why would I have chosen a drawback already known when I'd seen that the other two fools had different ones?
 
Young Pyromancer said:
...noooo? I said 'if'. I think Nictis also confirmed that they didn't start with them all later on. Also, if I knew all the drawbacks, Onedine said his drawback was different from Tykan, so why would I have chosen a drawback already known when I'd seen that the other two fools had different ones?
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You didn't say "if Mafia knows" you said "if there Mafia and know all the role drawbacks" which to me parses as if you assume that Mafia will have that information and that Totadile, by indicating what drawbacks exist, has indicated they are scum.

And picking Tykan's drawback is what got him killed, so I'd say it worked pretty well.

Young Pyromancer said:
Feels like you're a scum trying to search for any justification for lynching me here.
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No, I'm town looking for evidence that you're scum. I mean it is you or Scia and Scia could have done a lot more damage a lot earlier. She could have killed Shadell and the voted with you to kill me today and it would be game over. That she didn't do that leaves me with very few other possibilities than you being scum, I just have to find a way to prove it that doesn't involve showing people my rolecard.
 
Which is still banned btw.

Probably doesn't need to be said, but y'know... Cutting off that train early after rereading a previous game.
 
Nictis said:
Which is still banned btw.

Probably doesn't need to be said, but y'know... Cutting off that train early after rereading a previous game.
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I promise I'll behave. :)

Though ironically, getting modkilled would probably me the best thing I could do for town right now.

But cheating is bad.
 
mesonoxian said:
"if there Mafia and know all the role drawbacks"
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That's a qualifying statement. 'If they are mafia and know all the role drawbacks' is different from 'if they are mafia and THEREFORE know all the role drawbacks'.
mesonoxian said:
And picking Tykan's drawback is what got him killed, so I'd say it worked pretty well.
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I mean, sure, but it's also highly unlikely I could have anticipated that. If I were scum and knew all the drawbacks, I would have seen every person had differing drawbacks (assuming IH didn't share Scia's drawback), and being the ONE PERSON that shared a drawback with someone else would make no sense as a claim.
 
Young Pyromancer said:
That's a qualifying statement. 'If they are mafia and know all the role drawbacks' is different from 'if they are mafia and THEREFORE know all the role drawbacks'.

I mean, sure, but it's also highly unlikely I could have anticipated that. If I were scum and knew all the drawbacks, I would have seen every person had differing drawbacks (assuming IH didn't share Scia's drawback), and being the ONE PERSON that shared a drawback with someone else would make no sense as a claim.
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There was no reason to assume Mafia knew the drawbacks. Like it was not remotely hinted in anything Town has seen. But you suggested it, and wound up with the only identical drawback to anybody else.

And whether it would make sense, you and Tykan are the only people who share the same drawback. And by coming out with it first, you got to coast along a long ways on the grounds that if one of you two was scum, it would have to be Tykan. Even Tykan bought that logic and didn't target you. So whether it made sense or not, it has served you really well.
 
Okay, we have 48 hours left in the game more or less as I can't actually self-protect, like Totodile pointed out, so, unless scum decides to try to murder Scia tonight, town loses with a misvote here.

@Scia what are your reads?
 
mesonoxian said:
So whether it made sense or not, it has served you really well.
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And you think a relative newbie would commit to a play that made NO sense, just because they exactly anticipated this course of events, AND were confident enough in their prediction to go through with it?
Also, Shadell, like what you did there. Now scum'll have to guess if you're bluffing or not, leading to a bit of a bluffing situation with the kill. Nice.
 
Young Pyromancer said:
And you think a relative newbie would commit to a play that made NO sense, just because they exactly anticipated this course of events, AND were confident enough in their prediction to go through with it?
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No, I think a relatively inexperienced but talented player could make that error and then stick to it convincingly after the fact so that it benefits their team, though.
 
I laid out my defense before. All I can add is that if I were scum I would have done something with this role. Cop is one of the unique roles, so nobody else could contradict me. I could have come up with a drawback that left me more effective, and made up some results more interesting than "roleblocked, town, town, town."

Of the two people I actually got a read on, one was swarmingu, after Zaealix was outed, meaning my read was essentially a coin flip and Young Pyromancer Night 2 and both came up towny. If I were scum, I'd have come up with more interesting results, or at least ones that backed my plays. I wouldn't have made up getting nothing but town results with no
 
sorry, hit send to soon.

It should say "with no benefit to me whatsoever".
 
mesonoxian said:
I laid out my defense before. All I can add is that if I were scum I would have done something with this role. Cop is one of the unique roles, so nobody else could contradict me. I could have come up with a drawback that left me more effective, and made up some results more interesting than "roleblocked, town, town, town."
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If you claimed to have spotted scum, we'd have voted them and, were they town, you'd have died shortly after. Outing scum very late into the game would just read as bussing, and would help you a bit, but wouldn't too much if they were already safe claims.

You could have done something like what Scia's done and just out scum very early for strong towncred, but that's a high risk play, and the safer scum play would be to mostly keep lowish profile and then claim pretty useless reads, so it's also not that disturbing when you don't become a high priority mark.
 
Anyway, I have time, as long as Meso and Young don't vote together on Scia or me, there's no hammer to worry about. I can see strong arguments for a Meso vote. I can see, arguably, stronger arguments for a Pyromancer vote.

I have leanings personally, but I'd like to push @Scia to share their current reads, since we need to be on the same page to make the vote end basically.
 
Shadell said:
If you claimed to have spotted scum, we'd have voted them and, were they town, you'd have died shortly after. Outing scum very late into the game would just read as bussing, and would help you a bit, but wouldn't too much if they were already safe claims.

You could have done something like what Scia's done and just out scum very early for strong towncred, but that's a high risk play, and the safer scum play would be to mostly keep lowish profile and then claim pretty useless reads, so it's also not that disturbing when you don't become a high priority mark.
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The existence of the scum Lawyer would give some room for plausible deniability. It is definitely the sort of thing I'd be tempted to try if I were scum.

Even if I were lying, making up a roleblock result and checking a team mate would neither make much sense. At the bare minimum, I could town read actual townies and use that to help pocket them. As is, the only results I got were town results for two players who are probably scum. Swarmingu definitely was, and I am pretty sure YP is too.
 
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