Nictis
Best Sidekick
- Location
- Ninja Dave's Cookies
- Pronouns
- Any
As tempting as putting all your names on a board and throwing darts would be... Probably going to be a minor day extension and the first wagon to grow larger than the other wins.
- Location
- Oregon, USA
[X] Vote Tykan
I've played online mafia before, but the versions I've played vastly diverge from what's typical. The games were all based off of the work of a certain author, and thus were a lot more convoluted.
I've played online mafia before, but the versions I've played vastly diverge from what's typical. The games were all based off of the work of a certain author, and thus were a lot more convoluted.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
- Location
- The glorious Pacific Northwest
- Pronouns
- Any
Honestly I'm largely in agreement with your analysis (good job btw). The game does seem like it's rather slanted in favor of the mafia, especially when given what I know about my own role. (No, saying I have a role isn't really indicative, given the closest thing on the potential roles list to vanilla is Fool.)
That said, I don't believe we're in a worst-case scenario, because my experience and sense of game balance say that A) The mafia likely have semi-crippling drawbacks as well, and B) Allowing a single scum faction to do all of the listed things at the same time, in a game of this size? Would be a terrible idea.
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
- Location
- The glorious Pacific Northwest
- Pronouns
- Any
Hello. Was the context of my name good, at least?
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
*Sets down Raw Poisoned Meat*
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
- Location
- The glorious Pacific Northwest
- Pronouns
- Any
...How poisoned we talking? Like "Actually, Peppers, Mint, Coffee, and Onions are technically poisonous" or "marinated in cyanide"?
- Pronouns
- She/Her
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
- Location
- The glorious Pacific Northwest
- Pronouns
- Any
Can't speak for Scia, but I agree that objecting to game analysis is odd. That said, this is Day One and 90% of everything that happens D1 is for giggles, so I haven't voted for anyone based on actual suspicions. Might vote someone for a meme later, idk.
what is JOAT Cycling?
I think the reasoning for not talking about it is very flimsy as while I could see the argument for holding back if that would open up knowledge about a role this is not such a situation. On the other hand finding a believable early accusation is also something in the interest of scum. On the gripping hand being hostile towards early analysis of the game and someone trying to do so is also suspicious as a analysier that is good is usefull on d2+ and so it seems of interest for scum to remove them early.
On the Asuran hand otoh it also seems a bit to on the nose for a good scum.
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
- Location
- No Fixed Planetary System
I'm sorry, I was not able to follow the hands here.
What exactly are you arguing?
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
JOAT = Jack of All Trades, a role that has multiple standard powers. The cycling bit is where not every power is available at once and instead rotates on which one you could do. I think, I really haven't looked at what MU is doing this year.
Debatable here. Scum could want to talk about set-up analysis early to hope to give a false interpretation. Meanwhile breaking out of meme phase too early tends to gather weird looks as well. #Wine.
1: Information is key, models to use information are good, arguing against them is thus not in the interest of town to have more tools avaible -> Ih scum
2:Scum wants to appear trustworthy to town so having a good chain of logic for lynching at the start is good for them to be in the grace of town -> Shadel scum
3:Someone that can analyse is good for town, and scum wants to remove them first _> more likely that IH is Scum
4: Betraying scumness this early with such a move is a surprising bad play, so its less likely that it is a Scum plan.
- Location
- Indonesia
- Pronouns
- We/Our
I kinda sorta able to guess all mafia's abilities except lawyer. The hell is that supposed to be? Kinda broken if 3 scums can do all that though so probably they have some limitation.
And someone already voted the GM on first day. What.
Oh well. Vets used to say that we ought to vote since day 1 so... First day voting here we go. [X] Vote Shadell
And someone already voted the GM on first day. What.
Oh well. Vets used to say that we ought to vote since day 1 so... First day voting here we go. [X] Vote Shadell
ondine
Pretty Princess of the Shadow Cabal
- Location
- A helluva town
- Pronouns
- She/her/hers
Guys what is the point of a mafia lawyer??
- Location
- On Earth
The point is to screw over detective and investigator roles who would reveal if someone's guilty or innocent.
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
The main Lawyer I remember is from a certain game which may or may not have had a scottish play that could once a night either make a towny look guilty to investigation or make scum look innocent to investigation.
- Location
- Oregon, USA
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Make the vote its own line, like..
[x] Vote Swarmingu
As to D1 meme phase, remember that D1 is short. We're already nearly halfway through, and the meme phase is, essentially, time wasting while trying to make something build.
- Location
- Indonesia
- Pronouns
- We/Our
Yeah, sometimes I forgot about that
[X] Vote Shadell
OK, to get a bit more out of this. Since you are the msot scrutinized player right now.
What of it in particular seems dubious to you?
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
- Location
- No Fixed Planetary System
The worst case Shadell presents is deeply implausible. Rereading, that may well have been to argue that scum likely has major drawbacks, but that does not seem to be the main thrust of the speculation.
In addition, I am under the impression that general consensus is setup speculation is a bad idea, as it can bait out power roles, inadvertantly give information about what your role is, and is more likely to create misconceptions than to meaningfully inform scumhunting.
(Also, I am like 90% certain Nictis has censured me for setup speculation before)
With that said, it is only somewhat suspect, and I find the concerted defence of Shadell's speculation more suspicious than the speculation itself. (See- general consensus is setup speculation bad. If I am wrong about general consensus, will need to reevaluate.)
Nictis
Best Sidekick
- Location
- Ninja Dave's Cookies
- Pronouns
- Any
They are the same abilities as on the wiki, except that each has a hidden drawback that only the Mafia know about.