Full Moon Blues (SI, Crossover, Dragonball/MCU)

Should there be more Saiyans out there?

  • Yes; a whole planet full.

    Votes: 6 4.5%
  • Yes; a few straggling survivors

    Votes: 60 44.8%
  • Yes; with radical alterations from Dragonball canon

    Votes: 13 9.7%
  • Yes; as it is in DBZ, complete with Freeza

    Votes: 38 28.4%
  • No; Charud should be the only one.

    Votes: 54 40.3%

  • Total voters
    134
  • Poll closed .
Is this something from the original movie, or does "she" refer to a new character?
He's anthropomorphizing the tesseract\infinity stone inside it in his Loki-induced crazy time.

Maybe if you account for comic book ridiculousness and power bloat, but in the MCU? Hell no. Bardock has picked his teeth with bigger badasses than Ronan, and King Vegeta is like two and a half Hulks minimum, even if you discount planet busting.
Yeah, Saiyans in the MCU would be a solidly top-tier faction. Not the top, other top tier factions like Asgard could probably meet them on relatively equal ground (ignoring the whole planets made of styrofoam and high explosive thing that Dragonball has going on) and the Saiyan lack of unity and teamwork would keep them from becoming an overwhelming force. But they'd be well up there on the list of 'things to run away from very fast' for the majority of the galaxy.

I disagree with you on the King Vegeta\Hulk thing though, King Vegeta could definitely match and exceed normal Hulk, but the Hulk's strength scales with his angry, and he has no upper limit to how angry he can get. So King Vegeta would start that fight with the advantage, but barring tossing the Hulk into the distance and retreating (which isn't going to happen because Saiyans do not retreat) the Hulk is just going to keep getting angrier and stronger until King Vegeta goes down.

Ironically, Saiyans being what they are, King Vegeta would probably think that this is awesome and promptly become best fight-buddies with the Hulk, because from a Saiyan perspective the Hulk is pretty much the perfect sparring partner thanks to his indefinite scaling.
 
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He's anthropomorphizing the tesseract\infinity stone inside it in his Loki-induced crazy time.


Yeah, Saiyans in the MCU would be a solidly top-tier faction. Not the top, other top tier factions like Asgard could probably meet them on relatively equal ground (ignoring the whole planets made of styrofoam and high explosive thing that Dragonball has going on) and the Saiyan lack of unity and teamwork would keep them from becoming an overwhelming force. But they'd be well up there on the list of 'things to run away from very fast' for the majority of the galaxy.

I disagree with you on the King Vegeta\Hulk thing though, King Vegeta could definitely match and exceed normal Hulk, but the Hulk's strength scales with his angry, and he has no upper limit to how angry he can get. So King Vegeta would start that fight with the advantage, but barring tossing the Hulk into the distance and retreating (which isn't going to happen because Saiyans do not retreat) the Hulk is just going to keep getting angrier and stronger until King Vegeta goes down.

Ironically, Saiyans being what they are, King Vegeta would probably think that this is awesome and promptly become best fight-buddies with the Hulk, because from a Saiyan perspective the Hulk is pretty much the perfect sparring partner thanks to his indefinite scaling.
I'm not sure the hulk scales that way in MCU, he's been matched too many times. The indirect scaling is a comic thing.

Still, I suspect Saiyans would get along well with him simply because he thinks so much like a Saiyan, and is near impossible to kill.
 
I'm not sure the hulk scales that way in MCU, he's been matched too many times. The indirect scaling is a comic thing.

Still, I suspect Saiyans would get along well with him simply because he thinks so much like a Saiyan, and is near impossible to kill.

There's definitely some degree of scaling involved, because the Hulk does demonstrate different levels of strength in different movies and situations, but admittedly it might not be infinite like Comic Hulk. That is also a bit muddied by the fact that despite appearances the Hulk is actually a scientific genius and incredibly good at physical force calculations, to the point of controlling his strength at least somewhat so as to not accidentally literally everything he touches (just most things.)

Still, given that the Hulk has proven pretty much indestructible to everything except Thanos, who doesn't count because Thanos, I see no reason to assume that the Hulk's scaling angry power isn't still a thing.
 
I see Hulk's scaling to be similar to Spider-sense, as in: it probably exists, but it's not on your face, and clearly not the focus.
 
Seriously?

We have a saiyan warrior in a AU where they apparently used to rove around the Nine Realms and we still follow the stations of canon? I get that you can't change Loki's plans from earthside, but perhaps time-skip the bits that remain the same?
 
Just to comment but I think people are forgetting that as early back as dragon ball you had goku dodging lightning, the old human dude throwing a pillar and jumping on it only to quickly travel thousands of miles to goku direction. And untrained 3-4 year old gohan blowing up a large mountain.

All of which was done by people weaker than this MC. Feels weird as hell since honestly he should be able to beat everyone including thor and hulk as if they were children(MCU =/= comics). Hope this gets explained or fixed later on.
 
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Just to comment but I think people are forgetting that as early back as dragon ball you had goku dodging lightning, the old human dude throwing a pillar and jumping on it only to quickly travel thousands of miles to goku direction. And untrained 3-4 year old gohan blowing up a large mountain.

All of which was done by people weaker than this MC. Feels weird as hell since honestly he should be able to beat everyone including thor and hulk as if they were children(MCU =/= comics). Hope this gets explained or fixed later on.

Nah, the relative strength is fine. The MC being overshadowed by the godlings that are 1000+ years old is fine. The Saiyan race being referred to as Trolls fits perfectly, as in the vast majority of that race would only mildly inconvenience Aesir/Vanir/Kree etc and would thus need to shapeshift to even become contenders. I really do like the effort that went into that, but it's just that I've read 80% of the text maybe fifty to a hundred times now.

That stupid fucking room, with that stupid fucking staff and the same stupid fucking replies despite so much being different.

I enjoyed everything about the story until 'stations of canon' happened for reasons that don't make sense. The first parts were changed enough by the MC that I felt I wasn't just "Thor-The Movie-butwithoneSaiyan-".
 
Just to comment but I think people are forgetting that as early back as dragon ball you had goku dodging lightning, the old human dude throwing a pillar and jumping on it only to quickly travel thousands of miles to goku direction. And untrained 3-4 year old gohan blowing up a large mountain.

All of which was done by people weaker than this MC. Feels weird as hell since honestly he should be able to beat everyone including thor and hulk as if they were children(MCU =/= comics). Hope this gets explained or fixed later on.

It already is explained. He can't do those things because he's me, and I'm just not nearly coordinated or practiced enough to manage things like that.

Seriously?

We have a saiyan warrior in a AU where they apparently used to rove around the Nine Realms and we still follow the stations of canon? I get that you can't change Loki's plans from earthside, but perhaps time-skip the bits that remain the same?

Well like I said, you have already read the last canon-tracking entry.
 
Honestly, I can't agree with all these people saying things need to hurry up. If anything, I'd prefer if you slowed down. A movie moves at a movie's pace, because people don't want to sit around watching for more then about two and a half hours, but this is written, so you can take your time, have some conversations that a movie wouldn't have time for, describe some things the movie didn't have time to focus on.
Fighting is obviously going to be something both a Saiyan and a superhero gets involved in, but also keep in mind that movie style fight scenes do not translate particularly well to words. Take your time with them. The whole scene with the hulk and loki on the helicarrier read about as quickly as the scene ran in the movie, and that's probably not a good thing.
I also disagree that the power scaling is off here. Dragonball power bloat is fine in Dragonball, but is guaranteed to turn most anything it's mixed with into uncoordinated wank and meaningless stakes. I'd say Freiza, if he's going to be appearing in this fic, should be kept as an endgame power, and not something this mc could feasibly take on alone, or even without a macguffin or two and the whole team working on a few contingencies. He Easily stands over an infinity stone enhanced Ronin, but may not quite be on the same level as Thanos. Hard to say, as Thanos doesn't shoot world shattering lasers from his fingers; most of his power seems to be in the form of durability and brute strength.
Also, don't worry about things like 'Goku was dodging lighting when he was a kid'. Toriyama has no idea how speed works, and has never cared about consistent character feats. He runs on rule of cool and that's not a bad thing, but it isn't something I suggest throwing into a slightly (and ironically) more down to Earth setting like MCU.

tl;dr: Don't feel like you have to dead lift the canon train, Frieza should be endgame, if at all, and if you want to down scale some of Toriyama's madness, that's perfectly fine. I definitely don't suggest throwing any fish bigger than Freiza into this pond
 
Chapter 12
"Not looking for a rematch I hope? I may be of Asgard, but I have no particular inclination to grudge matches. You'd want my brother for that." Loki began as I touched down on the catwalk outside the tower, while Stark got his armor removed.

"Can't let you go invading my planet Loki. I haven't been here too long but I've gotten pretty attached to the place."

"Oh, I beg your pardon. I didn't realize someone had already claimed it. I didn't think that your kind were capable of subtlety- no offense." He said, with what I assumed was sarcasm.

"None taken. I thought about the direct approach, but you know. So many little stumbling blocks. Figured I'd take it easy on them for a few years, lull them into a false sense of security before I went full Tyrant." I shrugged, as we walked for the entrance.

"Did you now? I must confess I'm somewhat impressed that you'd have the patience. Given my nature I would have preferred to arrange things a bit more carefully, but I'm afraid I'm on a timetable. You don't have to fight for them you know. You're clearly a cut above these simpering mortals, I could use a right hand man if I'm to govern these rebellious provinces properly." He offered blithely.

"Thanks for the offer, but I'm not the type who'll take any poison apple you offer. And I don't cancel a contract before I complete it."

"A Troll with principles. I never thought I'd see the day. A pity you shall die for them." Loki said with a smile.

"Well that makes two of us I guess. I'm offended that I didn't get a job offer by the way." Tony spoke up from the bar- seriously dude, now of all times?

"The Chitauri will be here at any moment. Your world is mine for the taking, and you can't defeat me. I'm curious how it is you managed to see through my illusion; but I suppose I can tease the answer out if I don't kill you too quickly." Loki said, tapping his staff against his hand. "Or better yet." He decided, taking a sudden thrust for me that nearly punched through my armor; if I hadn't kicked back at the last second; flicking out a ki blast that exploded the tiles beneath Loki's feet and sent him into an agile backflip. He gave me a glare, and opened his mouth to say something witty, before he was knocked sprawling by a rocket propelled something or other that Stark grabbed, and began to assemble around himself- An Origami super suit. I swear the guy is just showing off with some of these things.

"I advise you surrender Reindeer Games. You had a good run, but you gotta understand there is no version of these events that play out with you sitting on a throne." Tony said, hopping the bar and stepping past me as Loki dusted himself off.

"I'll just have to build one." He grinned; as behind him the machine flared bright; and a column of light shot skyward.

My scouter chimed; and Stark and I both looked up. All kinds of weird exotic radiation, of course. And beyond it, thousands of power levels. Millions. Most of them under a hundred; but for a normal human they might as well have been untouchable. And there right in the vanguard, the point of their spear, a 1200. The number was bad enough; but the feeling behind it... sensing power, you learn that every person is just a little bit different. Nat feels like oiled silk, hard to pin down even when I'm looking right at her. Steve's is like a warm firelight. Thor's is crackling energy like a coiled spring. Loki's a prickly ball of ice. This one... fury and joy and the tang of moonlight. God damn it all.

Both of us took off hard; blowing more chunks out of Tony's floor. He went out the balcony; I just shot straight through the ceiling, brushing dust off myself as I flew right for the center of the falling swarm. Aliens got in my way; nasty, shrieking things riding weird looking hoverbikes; they didn't matter. I swatted them out of the air, sending them careening away into buildings, or the street. Floating in the midst of them was a sight that shocked me right to my core.

"Raditz!?" I demanded, stopping fast in midair as Stark took on the bulk of the job of mowing down the invading aliens. Not enough of them; but some.

He looked back at me with surprise evident on his face. He wasn't a one to one match with the anime; but it was close enough; that huge mane of hair and his ugly brown armor sent the message. "Well now, I heard there were other survivors, but I hardly thought I'd find one here. You know my name, but I don't think I remember you." he said, tapping his scouter and arching an eyebrow as he gave me a scan. "That high? Why in the world were you in recon with a power level like that? You at least rate foot infantry. Was there something wrong with you or something?" He wondered, before shrugging. "Not that it matters much I guess. Your claim on this planet is forfeit, so tough luck there. But you can always join up, I'm sure our employer wouldn't mind another soldier to fill out the ranks."

My mind was still racing with the implications of him even existing, let alone here, with these people. What the hell had happened to Goku if his big brother was here? I had to stall... wait for backup. Thor would be appreciated. "Before I answer that, there's one thing I want to know. Where are Vegeta and Nappa?"

He tilted his head. "Hm. I'm not really sure myself. I hear they're still alive, but we got separated a long time ago, and I never felt any need to go back. Why, feeling some kind of loyalty to the crown? You can forget about it. The Saiyans are going nowhere fast. Better to just fall in line behind me. Don't worry, I'll put in a good word for you- what's your name anyway?"

"Charud. Of Earth. And I'm afraid I'm gonna have to decline." I said, sweat beading at my brow as I clenched my fists and took a fighting stance, still hovering in front of him. "Not that it's anything personal, but your pet army is shooting up my city, and all my favorite restaurants are here."

He threw back his head and laughed with a familiar, obnoxious cadence. "You can't be serious. A saiyan of your caliber is throwing his lot in with these insects?"

"You're the one hanging out with bugs. Sorry Raditz. You want this planet, you're going to have to go through me." I said.

You know how in an anime when somebody goes "He's fast!" after they've made a big dramatic flashy dash? It hurts a LOT worse in real life. Raditz planted his knee into my gut so hard I nearly lost my breakfast, and then grabbed my beard and headbutted me.

"I think that can be arranged." He said, flashing his teeth, a sickly pink wad of Ki growing in his palm before it exploded through me like a wall of pain.

I felt the world spinning around me rapidly, until it came to an abrupt stop as I smashed through the roof of a building. Somebody nearby was screaming, as I hefted myself out of the rubble and spotted a cowering office worker; and a buggish alien turned toward me, pausing to aim a jagged looking weapon in my direction, before I backhanded him through a nearby copy machine. "Are you o-" I managed, before Raditz smashed in through the ceiling and roundhouse kicked me through the wall. And the one after that, and the one after that. When I bashed through the glass windows I managed to right myself, lifting my arms on instinct before he axe-handled me down toward the street. Every single blow felt like a sledgehammer... but there was something about them, I thought, as he threw the next punch, and I slipped it; barely. Fast. Strong. But not sharp. Like a caveman swinging a club.

We hit the ground and I dashed back. Stars flared in my vision when he clipped my chin with a blow, but I stayed upright. I brought up a hand with a gathered ball of Ki in it and he smacked it aside. But I wasn't going for that; my other hand shot up and slapped him straight in the ear; smashing his Scouter into his head hard enough to make it explode. He howled in pain and shock, and hit me, smashing me through several of his own allies and into the side of a bus, knocking it over onto it's side and nearly folding it in half around me. I hauled myself up; pain still ringing in my bones, but I was grinning as he flew overhead.

"You bastard! I can't replace that!" he blustered, lifting his hand to finish me off; when a giant brick of a hammer suddenly caught him in the chest and sent him flying.

Thor yanked me out of the wreckage and I cracked my neck a few times, spitting a tooth out onto the ground. "Thanks. But I can take it from here."

He looked at me skeptically. "Are you sure about that? You seem to be on the losing end of this fight."

"Had to let him get a few in or he'd never forgive himself. But I can beat him. I have to beat him." I said as I snarled, teeth painted pink with blood. I hadn't felt like this in so long; the pleasure that humans forgot so easily, the thrill of seeing someone who needed to be beaten, and giving them a beating.

Thor nodded, and held out his hand, taking his hammer back. "I must intercept the Chitauri coming through the gate."

"See to your brother while you're at it. He's in Stark's compensation tower." I said, cracking my knuckles as I felt Raditz approaching again. I pulled my scouter off and tossed it aside. I'd pick it up later. He needed to see this. Thor flew off, and Raditz looked up after him, interrupted in his counterattack by the sudden change in direction, he left himself wide open. I planted my fist in his face and followed through, knocking him straight through a storefront. He popped back, untroubled by the blow, but I was already taking off, sending him a one fingered salute and the biggest shit eating grin I could manage.

"COWARD!" He shouted after me, already in hot pursuit.

I jerked and juked between buildings; I'd only lived here for a few months, but I already knew New York better than he did; and keeping out of his line of sight was no big deal. I had to trust that he was mad enough at me personally that he wouldn't just start blowing up buildings; but unlike Goku I hadn't given him the hint that he could just hold the planet hostage. My plan was almost interrupted when I ran headlong into a huge cybernetic... sky... whale.

"What in the-WOOPS!" I shouted, feeling something big building up behind me. I launched straight upward, and barely got out of the way as Raditz shouted over the din of battle;

"DOUBLE SUNDAY!" He screamed, a pair of beams ripping into where I'd been moments before; blasting the huge creature to pieces that began to rain down on the street below, buffeting me with hot wind and shrapnel.

"Jesus shit!" I yelled in the aftermath. That looked a LOT less impressive in the show. I dove again, jerking aside to let another blast miss me; and flying just barely out of arm's reach of Raditz, catching sight of his enraged face; and along the way I dropped off a swarm of little balls, before clenching my fists hard and shouting back at him; "FIFTY COUNT BLACK CAT!"

The ki charges detonated in my wake, each one collapsing with an ear-splitting snap that piled up to assault him from every direction. He howled, covering his ears tightly and shaking his head; trying to clear the ringing from his ears. Stage two, complete.

I landed, taking the time to take a breath and keeping my eye fixed on Raditz as he attempted to shake off my attack. I had... maybe three more like that in me. And all I'd managed to do was annoy him so far. Oh well; go big or go broke... sorry New York.

I lifted my hand up high, and just as Raditz attacked, I slung a compressed ball of my inner force for a building I could feel was thoroughly evacuated; straight for the foundation where it would do the most damage, before it detonated, and began to collapse on top of me.
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AN: To all the people who wanted no more dragonball, I am sorry.
 
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I was really expecting him to ask Raditz about his brother/Kakorot/Goku... though explaining that or justifying how he knows about him could be an issue.
 
Saiyans traditionally follow the strongest.

Charud is gonna befriend (Nanoha) Raditz so damned hard.
 
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I wonder if this'll confuse fury. I mean raditz is basically proof charud wasn't completely lying his ass off
 
Eh, Saiyans are fine. It's just hard to fit Freeza in a universe that also has Thanos in it.

OR... Maybe that's why Thanos exists in this universe.

Titan took the brunt of fighting Frieza/King Cool/Cooler/Fill-In-The-Blank which led to its downfall.

Thanos blames Frieza, and in the Mad Titan's Malthusian worldview: If only Frieza's expansionistic empire was half the size, then it never would have needed to fight Thanos & Titan in the first place.

Or if Titan had self-slaughtered half its population, then they would have been able to direct enough resources away from frivolous things like keeping everyone alive (and failing) to the remnant half now doubling the resources they could put into fighting Frieza instead.

'Cuz "Mad Titan" doesn't just mean Thanos is merely angry...

...he's Nuckin' Futz!
 
I wonder if this'll confuse fury. I mean raditz is basically proof charud wasn't completely lying his ass off
"You asked about somebody he referred to as royalty. Do we have to worry about you going rogue if these 'Vegeta and Nappa' guys show up?"

"No, his highness is an asshole with a Napoleon complex taller than he is. "
 
"You asked about somebody he referred to as royalty. Do we have to worry about you going rogue if these 'Vegeta and Nappa' guys show up?"

"No, his highness is an asshole with a Napoleon complex taller than he is. "

More like "If Vegeta shows up then me betraying you would be the least of your concerns."

Question for everyone: Is the fight going okay for you? How's my naming schema for ki attacks? Too cheesy, or just cheesy enough?
 
The Cat part of the attack name didn't make much sense
So is he gonna heal himself after getting damage from a burning building?
 
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