Full Moon Blues (SI, Crossover, Dragonball/MCU)

Should there be more Saiyans out there?

  • Yes; a whole planet full.

    Votes: 6 4.5%
  • Yes; a few straggling survivors

    Votes: 60 44.8%
  • Yes; with radical alterations from Dragonball canon

    Votes: 13 9.7%
  • Yes; as it is in DBZ, complete with Freeza

    Votes: 38 28.4%
  • No; Charud should be the only one.

    Votes: 54 40.3%

  • Total voters
    134
  • Poll closed .
The weirdest part about that was that the writers suddenly remembered that the Mafuba technique existed after like twenty years of it never being used when it probably should have been. I honestly think that Toriyama DIDN'T remember it and had to be reminded by a fan or something. It would have solved SO many problems if they'd used the ability they had the whole time to deal with people who were way stronger than them, but they almost never do.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure I recall that the Mafuba technique killed Roshi's mentor when he used it on King Piccolo. I'm also pretty sure the stronger the target the Mafuba is used on, the more Ki and stamina it takes to successfully seal them away. It's also called the "Evil containment Wave" so... the target might need to be some level of 'evil' for it to actually work...
 
His situation reminds me of a story in spacebattles of a SI who reincarnated with the power of Magneto, he just goes to the heroes and tells them what he knows about some iteration of the future( what he knows from comics books and animations that are relevant) and the heroes just accept it because what else can they do about it? I hope you dont use the whole existencial crisis drama because they are cringy lol, his knowledge of dragon ball doesnt really matter since he is not a saiyan from there.
 
Chapter 17
"Whatever happened to laying low, Charud?" Fury said in that leaden voice he seemed to use whenever he wasn't actively pissed off.

"Don't blame me, I'm not the invincible over-God who decided to chuck me out over the Indian ocean." I said, digging into my ear with a pinkie and flicking something out onto Fury's desk just to watch the vein in his head pop out further.

"One among many things I have to discuss with Odin." He said. Shit you really would, ya bastard. Wait. I mouthed off to Odin too. I'm such a badass. My grin must have made Fury even angrier, because he gripped his desk firmly and stood up from it, glaring at me over it as if trying to bore a pair of holes in me. "As of this moment my temper is extraordinarily short with regards to you. I'm dealing with a great number of problems, all of which seem to swing back to you in some way."

Something clicked, and I frowned. "This isn't just about New York, is it?"

He slowly sat back down and mastered himself. "Not directly. I've been seeing some... movement within SHIELD itself that my gut tells me isn't natural. Much of it seems to revolve around you, especially after New York. I'm not going to lie to you; there are a lot of people out there who are increasingly uncomfortable with you reporting directly to me."

"They don't like you having your own nuclear option. After New York it's become clear that their ability to escalate beyond what I can match is... limited." I reasoned, slipping my hand into my pocket.

"Something like that." Fury said, his face becoming unreadable as he looked me over. "You're an unknown factor, even among all the other Avengers. After that other Saiyan showed up things got even more complicated. Not many people got to hear that conversation you had with him on the subject of contract loyalty." He said, tapping his fingers. "They're starting to wonder if there might be another invasion in store for us."

I floated back, crossing my legs beneath me and drifting, as I did often now when I was thinking. "Hmmm... they may have a point."

He glanced at me sharply.

"Not from my people. At least I don't think so. I spoke with an Asgardian who's an expert in these things- man by the name of Heimdall. According to him, after our planet was destroyed, the few Saiyans who managed to escape or who weren't on planet when it happened scattered across the cosmos. Stateless refugees, pirates, and mercenaries mostly. I'm sure Prince Vegeta has some grand ambitions, if he can gather up all the remaining Saiyans he'll... actually he'll probably get himself killed taking on somebody too strong for him." I shrugged. "But there are worse things out there than Saiyans... and if they come here, your planet will fight them about as well as a bug fights a windshield."

"Freeza." he said simply.

"Freeza crushed my planet. Easily. All by himself. He could literally have done it with one hand tied behind his back. And I'm not even sure there aren't others, even more powerful than him, lurking out there. I've heard stories, legends about things that would kill Freeza just as easily as he could kill you. Demon machines, Majin, Gods of Destruction. Sorry to be the one to have to tell you, but if Thor is right, and fucking around with the cube has turned the eyes of the galaxy on you, then you are going to have a bad time."

Fury's fingers were clenched again. It must have been hell for him; a man so used to being on top of it all, to feel powerless. I could empathize, somewhat. "So, you have any suggestions for what we should do about it? Because I'm listening."

I grinned. "I might have some ideas. You take care of SHIELD. Just call me if you need someone's head busted; in the meantime... call the team. And get me a gym somewhere rural. Mountainous preferably."

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"You want me to build a spaceship." Tony said, brows furrowed.

"Actually I want you to build a lot of spaceships. Like, an absolute fuckton." I replied. The plane we were riding was what put me in mind of the question. It didn't just have his name on it, it was a Stark original, with prototype repulsor engines, all electric. Very nice.

"You... do know that Stark Industries is deeper into the red than ever right? That would be courtesy of you, blowing up what was supposed to be our new corporate HQ, thanks again for that by the way. Besides, building even one rocket-"

"Not interested in a rocket. I want a space ship. A real one, if you please."

"...And what exactly makes you think that I can make that happen? I mean, Okay, of course I've thought about it, what engineer hasn't? I have a few theoretical designs for repulsor engines that should work in a vacuum, but..."

I slid a slip of paper across the table toward him, and he paused in his monologue to look down over it.

"Your handwriting is atrocious."

"I'm aware." I said.

"... Are these actually right? You know I didn't figure you for a math wiz, no offense."

"I'm not. But every saiyan scout has to understand at least some of this in order to repair our pods if we end up stranded on some hostile alien planet." Actually that had come as a shock to me too; when I started thinking about the math that went into the construction of the engines... it all just started coming to me, easy as arithmetic. "I probably couldn't build an engine from scratch, but I know enough about how they work."

"And you've just been sitting on this? Charud, I'm offended. I thought we were friends."

"Kiss my ass Tony. Anyway, this isn't everything anyway; it's just the gravity polarizer. On a pod, that's enough. They're really light, and the onboard stasis system will keep you alive for years in there without any trouble, but for a real ship, it's not going to be enough. I need you to do your genius thing and figure out how to make this work."

Stark furrowed his brow and whipped a pen from his pocket, tapping it on the paper and making a few notes in the margins; partly just to translate my chicken scratch. "...This thing here, the graviton beam deflector."

"Yeah, you need that, or it'll just crush your ship down like a can at the bottom of the ocean."

"It uses this... energy shield thing. That's your limiter."

"Yeah. It's a power hog; the more intense the gravity distortion the more power the deflector takes up. Even with a perfectly efficient engine you're limited to less than fifty percent of your power output being used for propulsion, even if you ignore the power you need for life support, weapons, etc."

"Yeah, I'm familiar with the concept of active compensation." He said, staring at me flatly. "Let's say though that you had something that could disperse the gravity wake without needing active power input."

My mind snapped immediately to the conclusion. "Okay... I'll ask him, but... Actually. Where did your dad get that stuff anyway?"

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The facility that Fury found for us turned out to be in the Appalachians, which was fine, if you liked trees. Which I did, a lot! It was less fun if you liked fast internet; but Tony had a satellite connection that actually worked, which was a wonder to me, having experienced the wonders of rural internet plenty before. Seeing everyone together without Loki's influence was surprisingly uplifting. Thor wouldn't be joining us until later, but I didn't begrudge him some time to catch up with his lady friend.

I'd forgone the usual armor and wore a set of loose, tough canvas pants and a muscle shirt; now that I had an actual physique to show off; and besides, the humidity was killer. Most of the others had something similar, I'd advised they pack for an outdoor workout. Steve, of course, looked like he was born in it; Nat made it look sexy, as she would everything up to and including a burlap sack with holes cut in it, and Banner... actually he was the only one who wasn't sweating, not even a little.

"I'm sure you're wondering why I've gathered you all here today." I said, hands on my hovering knees.

"I'm wondering how long you've been waiting to use that one actually." Tony said, mopping his brow.

"All my life. Now, who's ready to learn how to fight?" I grinned.

There was a long beat where the professional soldiers, spies, and Banner all exchanged looks. Nobody laughed, but there was plenty of bemused grinning. Nat, of course, figured it out immediately, and held up one hand, a little bead, red as blood, forming above her hand and glowing brightly. "He means like this."

"Points to the lady! Not quite exactly though. I wouldn't dream of telling you how to use your Ki; I'm no expert myself. All I'm here to do is to give you a little nudge, and show you a few ways to maximize your potential."

"Not that I don't appreciate the chance Charud, but... I'm not certain that being about whether being able to do that stuff would do for me." Steve pointed out carefully.

My grin stayed in place. "Well, what would you say if I told you you were already doing it?"

"Uhh..."

"Hasn't it ever occurred to you that that shield doesn't behave like any other piece of metal you've ever seen?"

"I figured it was just because it was made of vibranium."

"EHH!" I made the sound of a wrong-answer buzzer. "Sorry, that might help, but unless that thing is straight up magic, it's not moving that way. Unless you make it move like that. Ki is the power of the body moved by the intention of the mind. Whether you're throwing a punch, throwing a shield, or firing an arrow." I nodded over at Clint, who looked intrigued, fingering his bow carefully.

"All of you, Tony excepted-"

"Hey!"

"Are exceptional examples of human warriors. You all have the potential to become masters of Ki. If you can do that, you can break past your limits, and there's no telling what you'll be able to do."

"Question! I'm not exactly sure why I'm here then. Would really prefer to be practically anywhere else to be honest." Tony piped up.

"Yeah... I'm going to second that. I'm not really sure I like the idea of potentially making the Other Guy even stronger than he already is..." Banner said nervously.

"Well, a simple answer is that we won't know you can't do it until you try. For the rest... Tony, I'll need your help building more training equipment. And Bruce, I think that if you give this a try, you might find it helps your little green problem. One way of understanding Ki is as a mastery of our capacity to do violence. You have an amazing well of power inside you; like the atom, it can be used for indiscriminate destruction, or if it's directed carefully, for constructive purposes. I think mastering your Ki could help you."

He stared at his hands for a few moments, then turned to me. "Did it help you?"

I grimaced at the accusation, and the silence stretched.

"Bruce..." Steve began.

"No. I deserve that. I failed to account for the possibility that the Oozaru might be unleashed without a real full moon. That was stupid. I knew that it could be activated artificially, but I was still cocky. I'm not going to run from that. What happened was my fault. But I WILL control it. I give you all my word, I will never hurt this world like that again."

"So you're saying you'll pick some other way to do it then." Nat quipped, breaking the tension a little.

"Ha ha ha. Okay midgets, anyone chickening out, get on the plane. The rest of you... put these on." I said, offering them some backpacks. "You're delivering milk today."

"Uhh... to who? The nearest town is like fifty miles away." Tony pointed out.

"Yup. You'd better hurry or you'll miss dinner."
 
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100% original training method. That old man Roshi had a certain way to keep you sweating whenever or not you can blow up a planet with a flick of your finger.
 
you do realize it more than being peak human, you have to have the potential to use KI. You can be a peak human and not have KI.
 
It's hard not to be near peak human without having at least decent ki, just look at Videl. As I said before, she was a weekend warrior and that was enough training to develop ki that she could fly with once taught the trick.
 
you do realize it more than being peak human, you have to have the potential to use KI. You can be a peak human and not have KI.
That is not even remotely certain actually, given that in the far future year of Age 1000 of DBZ, after Gohan publishes his scientific study\book on Ki in Age 804, Ki usage becomes widespread amongst the earthling population. It's not clear whether earthling Ki users are a majority or a significant minority, but either way implies that the potential for Ki usage is pretty common in the earthling population.

Given that Ki is described as 'a tangible energy inside every living being' it seems likely that literally anyone can use Ki, as long as they are biological and alive. It's just that humans are naturally so hilariously weak compared to the galactic average that they need to rigorously train themselves to the physical peak in order to have enough Ki to actually do anything with it in the first place, and the ability to commit oneself to that level of training is actually pretty rare in the general populace.

The potential to use Ki is thus less likely to be some kind of magic indefinite property of an individual, and more likely to be the ability of an individual to dedicate themselves to a physical training routine that makes the Ironman Triathlon look like a relaxing holiday.

It's hard not to be near peak human without having at least decent ki, just look at Videl. As I said before, she was a weekend warrior and that was enough training to develop ki that she could fly with once taught the trick.
Yup, characters like Videl plus the effects of Gohan's book would suggest that the primary thing holding earthlings back from at least basic Ki usage is the lack of knowledge, not capacity. Not knowing that Ki is a thing means that even those people who do train themselves enough to use it don't actually do so, because they don't know it is an option. And plenty of people who would do the training if they knew they could get Ki out of it don't, because they don't know about the potential rewards.
 
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The question is not how Tony did it, but how he managed to trust Dummy to do it and how Dummy managed to avoid screwing it up.
The secret is that Dummy didn't avoid screwing it up, Tony just created backups of himself prior to undergoing the procedure. This is actually Tony Stark Mk.7.

I can easily imagine that Tony's hedonism-based lifestyle has basically wrecked any Ki potential he may have had, that said anyone else not having Ki would be a disadvantage, but this is Tony 'I built functional power armor in a cave with a box of scraps' Stark, so I give it a month tops before he figures out how to make his chest-embedded heart Arc Reactor (Hearc Reactor?) output Ki as well.
If it wasn't for Tony's massive character flaws, so huge and bottomless that they are more like character rifts than mere flaws, the man would have single-handedly uplifted the entire planet into a technological utopia the likes of which would impress even the Asgardians. This is the dude who built an electric reactionless drive just so he could fly and shoot people with weaponized post-processing effects, Tony Stark can SCIENCE! anything.
 
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There are some grammar things you can improve on.

Freeza should be Frieza.

You're using "it's" incorrectly a lot. This is more noticeable in early chapters.
to pound it's way out with
to pound its way out

dozens of times it's former area without losing it's protective abilities
dozens of times its former area without losing its protective abilities

"It's" ALWAYS means "it is/has", just as "who's" always means "who is/has". "Its" and "whose" are possessive pronouns. Ordinarily, you would use apostrophes to indicate ownership (Bob's hat), but possessive pronouns do not require them as they already, by definition, indicate ownership.

Some examples of possessive pronouns include: "his", "hers", "theirs", "its", "mine", "yours", "ours", "whose", and probably some others that I've forgotten.

Dialogue punctuation can be tricky to get at first.
discuss with Odin." He said.
discuss with Odin," he said.

This is essentially about what punctuation to end lines of dialogue with and how to continue from there. The general idea is that-

"Hats are fun," she said.

-is technically a single sentence, as "she said" is not a complete sentence by itself in this context and it requires the dialogue to become one, so you use a comma instead of a period at the end of the dialogue section and make the next word lower case, while-

"Hats are fun." She was adamant of her claim.

-is two sentences, because "She was adamant of her claim" is a complete sentence by itself in this context, and thus gets a period and a capital in the next word. It's the same thing with question marks and exclamation marks. Use lower case if it's part of the same sentence-

"Hats are fun?" she asked.
"Hats are fun!" she exclaimed.

-and upper case if it's not.

"Hats are fun?" She seemed confused by the idea.
"Hats are fun!" She was, perhaps, a little too excited about it.

You do the same sort of thing when you have the "She said" part before the dialogue; Use a comma if it's part of the same "sentence". The dialogue should still always start with a capital unless the line began earlier and was interrupted by the narration.

She said, "Hats are fun."
"Hats," she said, "are fun."

You're kind of hit and miss when it comes to direct address.
Hey there Agent Romanoff;
Hey there, Agent Romanoff;

acquiesce to our guest's request Mr. Stark?"
acquiesce to our guest's request, Mr. Stark?"

A Direct Address comma is used when you directly address the person being spoken to in dialog, such as by saying their name. Put one after the name if it's at the beginning of the sentence, one before the name if it's at the end, and one on either side if it's in the middle. Surround it, basically. These can significantly alter the meaning of a sentence, so here are some examples showing why they are important.

"Let's eat, Grandma." -> Inviting your grandmother to join you in a meal.
"Let's eat Grandma." -> Conspiracy to commit murder and cannibalism.

"Shoot, Jake!" -> You are telling Jake to shoot something.
"Shoot Jake!" -> You are telling someone to shoot Jake.

"Bob, hit me." -> You are asking Bob to hit you, for some reason.
"Bob hit me." -> You are dobbing Bob in for assaulting you.

"Come on, Sally." -> You are urging Sally to engage in some unspecified task or activity.
"Come on Sally." -> You are telling someone to, err... Never mind.

Note that you still do this even if you are using something in place of an actual name.

"Damn you, you vile wench." -> Damn that vile wench.
"Damn you you vile wench." -> Word salad.

"And that, my friend, is why I ate your cat." -> A perfectly ordinary conversation.
"And that my friend is why I ate your cat." -> Blargelbarf.
 
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