Full Moon Blues (SI, Crossover, Dragonball/MCU)

Should there be more Saiyans out there?

  • Yes; a whole planet full.

    Votes: 6 4.5%
  • Yes; a few straggling survivors

    Votes: 60 44.8%
  • Yes; with radical alterations from Dragonball canon

    Votes: 13 9.7%
  • Yes; as it is in DBZ, complete with Freeza

    Votes: 38 28.4%
  • No; Charud should be the only one.

    Votes: 54 40.3%

  • Total voters
    134
  • Poll closed .
I hate fics like this, not changing the story one bit. Following the canon route with a bit of SI sprinkled here and there. It's a fanfic, experiment a little.
 
I hate fics like this, not changing the story one bit. Following the canon route with a bit of SI sprinkled here and there. It's a fanfic, experiment a little.
I'm pretty sure that
the SI has the Mind Stone instead of Stark.
If true then Avengers 2 has been butterflyed away. The Author also mentioned the story will start diverging more now, give it some time.
 
It's a pity really. I wanted the MC to have to deal with Scarlet witch.
My favourite marvel fics have her facing censure for her actions as a terrorist.
 
He slowly sat back down and mastered himself. "Not directly. I've been seeing some... movement within SHIELD itself that my gut tells me isn't natural. Much of it seems to revolve around you, especially after New York. I'm not going to lie to you; there are a lot of people out there who are increasingly uncomfortable with you reporting directly to me."

Yeah, that'll be irritating Hydra no end. Both because they don't want Fury to have assets and also because given how...non-idealistic Charud has been in discussions they probably reckon they could swing him over to their side with promises of money.

I'm sure Prince Vegeta has some grand ambitions, if he can gather up all the remaining Saiyans he'll... actually he'll probably get himself killed taking on somebody too strong for him."

I mean, that's not unfair. Vegeta has ego issues.

I've heard stories, legends about things that would kill Freeza just as easily as he could kill you. Demon machines, Majin, Gods of Destruction.

Don't know how many of those do or don't exist in this universe, but he is describing them to Fury as rumours and myths, so most being pure fiction but one or two existing in some form would fit for that.

"... Are these actually right? You know I didn't figure you for a math wiz, no offense."

"I'm not. But every saiyan scout has to understand at least some of this in order to repair our pods if we end up stranded on some hostile alien planet.

Makes sense tbh. Charud isn't a scientist, engineer, or tech, but the thing about scouts is that they're frequently isolated from any main force and far from supply lines. Means scouts have to at least have enough knowledge to perform most maintenance tasks even if they don't know much of the theory behind the equipment.

"Yeah, I'm familiar with the concept of active compensation." He said, staring at me flatly. "Let's say though that you had something that could disperse the gravity wake without needing active power input."

My mind snapped immediately to the conclusion. "Okay... I'll ask him, but... Actually. Where did your dad get that stuff anyway?"

Hmn. Can't actually think what this is referring to, can't really think of much gravity related in the MCU. Someone Charud knows and could talk to...

Nat, of course, figured it out immediately, and held up one hand, a little bead, red as blood, forming above her hand and glowing brightly. "He means like this."

Given that's the second time we've seen her Ki and it's been red, imma just assume that's the natural colour of her energy blasts.

"Points to the lady! Not quite exactly though. I wouldn't dream of telling you how to use your Ki; I'm no expert myself.

Fury defs needs to get some interns digging through old books about Chi/Ki to see if he can find stuff that's actually usable.

"Hasn't it ever occurred to you that that shield doesn't behave like any other piece of metal you've ever seen?"

"I figured it was just because it was made of vibranium."

"EHH!" I made the sound of a wrong-answer buzzer. "Sorry, that might help, but unless that thing is straight up magic, it's not moving that way.

Yeah seriously, it's not a freaking boomerang and momentum and air resistance don't work like that.

"All of you, Tony excepted-"

"Hey!"

"Are exceptional examples of human warriors.

Tony on the other hand is an exceptional asshole.

And Bruce, I think that if you give this a try, you might find it helps your little green problem.

We know reintegrating Banner and Hulk is possible, and this might help some, but Endgame mentioned spending months in a nuclear lab as part of the process, so some kind of experiments were also part of it.

Oh right, Androids...
Could Tony Gero himself? It would probably up his combat power.

Whilst he does have the spectacularly bad judgement necessary to do something like that, I don't think it'd happen. Tony has PTSD issues and isn't particularly suited to it tbh. I'd be quite happy for him to sit back and Bulma it up.

It's a pity really. I wanted the MC to have to deal with Scarlet witch.

Well since this is fanfic and doesn't suffer from Marvel's issues with Fox Scarlet Witch could just be a mutant and Magneto's daughter like she's supposed to be.

(Gods Age of Ultron really did a stupid there. I know they couldn't use mutant for legal reasons, but having the daughter of a holocaust survivor sign up with Nazi experiments? Some pretty bad optics there)
 
Pretty sure he's talking about Vibranium, seeing how the second movie was all about lifting a city using it.

Okay, that would sort of make sense, at least in terms of capability, but at this point does anyone know that it can do that?

The only Vibranium they know of is in Cap's shield and whilst it's weird it doesn't demonstrate gravity powers.

Plus in terms of (semi) public knowledge the only source of vibranium is Wakanda which as far as anyone on the team knows is just a third-world country and doesn't have any more vibranium left anyway.
 
I'm pretty sure that Howard Stark ran all the tests he could on it while he had some. Possibly even had some scraps leftover after the shield to play with as well.

Otherwise how would he even know anything about it to want to put it in the shield.
 
Okay, that would sort of make sense, at least in terms of capability, but at this point does anyone know that it can do that?

The only Vibranium they know of is in Cap's shield and whilst it's weird it doesn't demonstrate gravity powers.

What it has demonstrated is a really weird interaction with exotic energy, that being Mjolnir.
 
That is not even remotely certain actually, given that in the far future year of Age 1000 of DBZ, after Gohan publishes his scientific study\book on Ki in Age 804, Ki usage becomes widespread amongst the earthling population. It's not clear whether earthling Ki users are a majority or a significant minority, but either way implies that the potential for Ki usage is pretty common in the earthling population.

Given that Ki is described as 'a tangible energy inside every living being' it seems likely that literally anyone can use Ki, as long as they are biological and alive. It's just that humans are naturally so hilariously weak compared to the galactic average that they need to rigorously train themselves to the physical peak in order to have enough Ki to actually do anything with it in the first place, and the ability to commit oneself to that level of training is actually pretty rare in the general populace.

The potential to use Ki is thus less likely to be some kind of magic indefinite property of an individual, and more likely to be the ability of an individual to dedicate themselves to a physical training routine that makes the Ironman Triathlon look like a relaxing holiday.


Yup, characters like Videl plus the effects of Gohan's book would suggest that the primary thing holding earthlings back from at least basic Ki usage is the lack of knowledge, not capacity. Not knowing that Ki is a thing means that even those people who do train themselves enough to use it don't actually do so, because they don't know it is an option. And plenty of people who would do the training if they knew they could get Ki out of it don't, because they don't know about the potential rewards.
your right but... that's DBZ earth, not Marvel earth. not only is not DBZ earth, its Marvel cinematic earth.
 
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I'm not talking about small changes like Natasha getting Ki or the Ozaru, I meant stuff like arcs, storylines, etc.
How about some side quests for a change?
But...there was just one, with Charud in Asgard? And almost every post-A1 film has been radically altered from his actions already, especially the Avengers and Captain America movies, since the adventures of the Mind Stone are no longer as they are in canon. New York took significantly more damage than in canon due to the Oozarampage, Heimdall confirmed that Freeza and the PTO exist in this universe.

Asgard is more closely involved with Earth, and someone from Earth -- even if he's not a human and it's only his adopted home -- has been there years before Dark World. Asgard may actually become involved with Earth now, instead of treating it like Thor's summer vacation home. Charud has given Fury has extra motivation and rational to focus SHEILD's efforts on external threats now that Freeza is a known quantity, which will make HYDRA's machinations and manipulations to refocus on things like the helicarriers and Insight more difficult.

Also, the Ancient One is still alive at this point, and so she would know about Charud, and likely would have more context into what this means than Fury does, even if she never actually interacts with him before her death. Considering the amount of magical bullshit in the DB universe that may or may not have made the jump over, she very well might be doing things behind the scenes.
 
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Heimdall actually didn't confirm that Freeza exists, just that planet Vegeta did, and was destroyed.
 
It's a pity really. I wanted the MC to have to deal with Scarlet witch.
My favourite marvel fics have her facing censure for her actions as a terrorist.
Why do you think he won't deal with her?
I'm not talking about small changes like Natasha getting Ki or the Ozaru, I meant stuff like arcs, storylines, etc.
How about some side quests for a change?
Avengers 1 going approximately as cannon is a mere facet of the point in which they were dropped, even if the story maintained some stupid behavior from the characters, that behavior is canon.

Everything was already primed for the Battle of New York to happen. But everything changes from now on.
Charud has given Fury has extra motivation and rational to focus SHEILD's efforts on external threats now that Freeza is a known quantity, which will make HYDRA's machinations and manipulations to refocus on things like the helicarriers and Insight more difficult.
I figure it's a double-edged sword, as on one hand, Fury will feel compelled into a military build-up against external threats, allowing internal ones space to grow, while on the other, the heavy dissenters of his relationship with Charud could tip him off to Hydra.
 
Why do you think he won't deal with her?

The staff was recovered wasn't it? That's how she got her powers in the MCU.
I suppose she could have an alternative power source or become a badass normal.

I hadn't actually thought of that until now.

But mostly I wanted to see what would happen if someone more active was given the treatment Bruce got.
I don't think Charud would be as docile to simply leave the team if she was invited onto it.
 
The staff was recovered wasn't it? That's how she got her powers in the MCU.
I suppose she could have an alternative power source or become a badass normal.
Have Hulk fart beside her in an enclosed space, problem solved.

"So, how'd you get your powers, anyway?"
".....I-It was Horrible.........." queue thousand yard stare.
 
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But...there was just one, with Charud in Asgard? And almost every post-A1 film has been radically altered from his actions already, especially the Avengers and Captain America movies, since the adventures of the Mind Stone are no longer as they are in canon. New York took significantly more damage than in canon due to the Oozarampage, Heimdall confirmed that Freeza and the PTO exist in this universe.

Asgard is more closely involved with Earth, and someone from Earth -- even if he's not a human and it's only his adopted home -- has been there years before Dark World. Asgard may actually become involved with Earth now, instead of treating it like Thor's summer vacation home. Charud has given Fury has extra motivation and rational to focus SHEILD's efforts on external threats now that Freeza is a known quantity, which will make HYDRA's machinations and manipulations to refocus on things like the helicarriers and Insight more difficult.

Also, the Ancient One is still alive at this point, and so she would know about Charud, and likely would have more context into what this means than Fury does, even if she never actually interacts with him before her death. Considering the amount of magical bullshit in the DB universe that may or may not have made the jump over, she very well might be doing things behind the scenes.


whats the chance of the ancient one recruiting strange early
 
Of course if Freeza DID exist his race has been referred to as 'Frost Demons' in some Dragonball Z games; what's the bet that a race with a name like that is native to Niflheim?
 
Have Hulk fart beside her in an enclosed space, problem solved.

"So, how'd you get your powers, anyway?"
".....I-It was Horrible.........." queue thousand yard stare.
Wouldn't be the first person to get superpowers from ingesting material that came out of the Hulk's body.


I really hope Freeza does exist, because he is guaranteed to encounter Thanos at some point and the inevitable cascade of sudden but inevitable betrayals that will result from those two each trying to take advantage of the other would be hilarious.
 
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Wouldn't be the first person to get superpowers from ingesting material that came out of the Hulk's body.


I really hope Freeza does exist, because he is guaranteed to encounter Thanos at some point and the inevitable cascade of sudden but inevitable betrayals that will result from those two each trying to take advantage of the other would be hilarious.

If Freeza was around, Thanos wouldn't have as big of a problem, the Cold Empire business model is running around purging entire planets of life, and doing it often enough to need slave races who do that in small squads, so presumably they are doing it over a ton of planets. If races are getting purged that frequently over population is not going to be a major issue. Freeza is completing Thanos' goal, just by actually going out and doing it rather than needing a grand gesture of snapping the fingers. Also Freeza would probably kill Thanos out of hand, the power differential is pretty insane unless Thanos gets the infinity gems. Thanos without the Gems, at least in MCU is not destroying planet level on a personal basis, something that was passed by in the Saiyan Saga, and DBZ never looked back.
 
If Freeza was around, Thanos wouldn't have as big of a problem, the Cold Empire business model is running around purging entire planets of life, and doing it often enough to need slave races who do that in small squads, so presumably they are doing it over a ton of planets. If races are getting purged that frequently over population is not going to be a major issue. Freeza is completing Thanos' goal, just by actually going out and doing it rather than needing a grand gesture of snapping the fingers. Also Freeza would probably kill Thanos out of hand, the power differential is pretty insane unless Thanos gets the infinity gems. Thanos without the Gems, at least in MCU is not destroying planet level on a personal basis, something that was passed by in the Saiyan Saga, and DBZ never looked back.
If Frieza exists, then Thanos' goal might not be the destruction of half the universe, but instead the destruction of the Planetary Trade Organization, specifically if one of Frieza's ancestors is the one that killed off the population of Titan.

-or-​

Frieza is after the Infinity Stones in leu of the Dragonballs, and Thanos is trying to get them first.
 
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