Full Moon Blues (SI, Crossover, Dragonball/MCU)

Should there be more Saiyans out there?

  • Yes; a whole planet full.

    Votes: 6 4.5%
  • Yes; a few straggling survivors

    Votes: 60 44.8%
  • Yes; with radical alterations from Dragonball canon

    Votes: 13 9.7%
  • Yes; as it is in DBZ, complete with Freeza

    Votes: 38 28.4%
  • No; Charud should be the only one.

    Votes: 54 40.3%

  • Total voters
    134
  • Poll closed .
Chapter 11
AN: I absolutely hate writing argument scenes. I hate them even worse when they're motivated by dumb mind control. So I'm not going to!

I promise that this is the last Stations of Canon entry.

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The ringing in my ears had gotten worse and worse as I tried to tune out the dumb high school bullshit going on around me. I had almost stepped in when Fury put his hand on his gun when Banner started getting irritated; what the fuck was he thinking? That that would accomplish anything? Nat did it too, was she stupid? Was it just a reflex they drilled into you in spy school that any threatening action is to be met with pointlessly underpowered handgun?

Then, something exploded, and alarms started going off around me.

Fury barked orders, and I pulled my Scouter off and tossed it, frankly sick of the whole shit show. I didn't need it anyway. I could feel something building, and I was already halfway down the hall before anyone noticed I was gone. Good thing too; Banner was NOT looking happy. I pulled some loose debris off Nat's leg and yanked her up to her feet; luckily nothing was broken.

"Go. NOW." I ordered, and she at least had the good sense to listen as I stepped further into the corridor. "Bruce... buddy, are we having a moment?"

"A MOMENT!?" He bellowed, and I backed off. Ohhhh shit. Yeah. I could feel that. That was... big.

"Hey; listen, we'll get out of here, we'll talk about this, we'll make-" I started. Nope. Nope nope nope. Not a talking out of it situation. He was already seven feet tall and growing, muscles splitting fabric, skin turning green. I could feel the power coming off him in waves like heat off asphalt. He looked at me with something like sadness, and then that vanished, and it was all just rage. Not even at me. I was just part of the universe, and that was something Banner couldn't stand right now.

I floated backward and threw my senses out as wide as I could manage. Okay. That direction has no people in it. Go, go go! I ran, and heavy feet thumped behind me. Bulkhead in the way-fuck it, smash right through it. Big guy smashed it wider. Fuck you, Loki you smug elf lookin' piece of shit!

I heard a whistling sound, and I ducked by pure instinct; as something smacked into the big guy and sent him careening over my head and out into what looked like a hangar bay; which I was GOING to avoid, thanks a lot Thor. "Run you fucking morons!" I shouted at the gormlessly staring humans staring slackjawed at the spectacle, and at least some of them didn't take five precious seconds to decide to listen to me, rushing for the doors. The Hulk almost smashed me through a bulkhead for my trouble, but Thor intercepted him; actually catching one of his huge green fists; albeit with both hands from a braced position.

"You don't have to do this Banner! We are not your enemies- try to think!" He implored, before being bashed through a series of crates.

"We're well past that now Thor!" I shouted, barely managing to slip past a flurry of haymakers, before the Hulk just tried to hit me with a jet. A whole jet. It came apart in his giant hands and only that saved me from an even worse headache. Thor, finally reading the room, smashed the back of his head with that big fuck off hammer, and launched him off his feet... "Okay yeah, that works." I said, popping my knuckles and flying up as high as I could get; pouring as much Ki between my palms as I could manage. I still wasn't great at this, but I could just about manage this much. "M-80!" I shouted as I tossed the ball for the big, tactically unsound windows at the end of the hangar, bursting them like a soap bubble and letting the air go rushing out; popping my ears slightly.

Thor got the message, and on his next swing, he hit the Hulk toward the edge. It almost didn't work. Those big green toes dug into the tarmack and held on tight, even as Thor came in with a football tackle to try to finish the job. In the end it took both him and me hitting the Hulk at the same time to tip him over. Then, of course, Thor got his cape caught by a set of meaty green fingers, making me roll my eyes as I stepped away from the sucking hole out into the sky. Superheroes.

His hammer leapt off the decking and chased him out the window, and a few moments later he was back with me, sans cape, jogging a little to catch up with me.

"I meant to do that."

"Sure you did big guy."

"Why did you shout a letter and number before attacking?" He asked, making me float to keep up with him now.

"Because it's tradition."

He nodded gravely, seeming to respect that.

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I found myself wishing that he still had the cape when he suddenly surged forward as we got to Loki's cell and dove in through the open door, letting it shut right behind him.

"Are you ever not going to fall for that?" Loki asked, exasperated. Fuck you Loki, I refuse to empathize with your exasperation over how dumb Thor is.

I jumped for the controls, and Loki grabbed me by the wrist and bashed me against the deck, before putting his foot on my throat and hitting the buttons himself; opening up the iris plate beneath the glass cell. Honestly who designed a prison this way? SHIELD had too much money and not enough sense.

Whatever flunkie that had set Loki loose hit the deck nearby, and I felt the foot come off me as Loki stepped back, and who but Phil fucking Coulson showed up, hefting a big glowing space gun and aiming it for our mutually disliked associate. "Move away from the controls please." He said in that perfectly unflappable secret agent tone he had whenever he wasn't talking to or about Steve.

Then I noticed something weird. I could feel Loki moving away from me and toward Coulson, but I couldn't see it. Oh, right, the hologram trick.

"Do you like this? Started working on it when you sent the destroyer, even I don't-" Coulson started, and then I threw the straightest and narrowest Ki blast I could manage for where I felt Loki sneaking around, knocking him sprawling onto his back.

"Just fucking shoot him Phil!" I shouted.

Loki had just about sat upright when Phil came to his senses and fired, hitting him with a blast that drove him through a wall and left a smoking, molten line wherever it touched. I floated up and glanced over the control panel, shutting the bay doors and getting Thor free, the blond giant striding out and looking chagrined to have been so easily fooled.

"Seriously, with the monologue?" I asked as I batted Coulson on the back of the head playfully.

"He's still got the staff." He said, rubbing the slight mark I'd made and dropping the ludicrous, smoking cannon he'd brought onto the floor. Presumably it was spent. He and Thor both jogged for Loki's last location, leaving me sighing behind them.

"Thanks Charud for saving my life after I was a big dumb idiot!" "You're the coolest Charud, I now replace Captain America with you in my heart." I said to myself, kicking the decking a little before going after them.

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Loki was nowhere to be found. After Coulson scored a point for humanity on the smug bastard, all my senses would tell me is that he's not here. Either he figured out how to make his illusions work on more than vision, or he had another way out.

Fury was angry and disappointed. Nat was off doing something personal; apparently she'd secured Barton, so that was one needle pulled out of my side. I'd have hated to have to kill the guy. Apparently SHIELD could put his melon back together after Loki scrambled it, so that took some of the sting out of the mind control threat. Still not gonna let him poke me though.

"What I want to know is, why bother with all the song and dance? Why let himself get captured? He has this plan to use the Hulk, but for what?" Tony asked, tossing a bouncy ball at the wall repeatedly and catching it again. "Why not skip straight to the invasion part? He could have set up his machine and gotten things under way by now. "

"He was targeting us. Us specifically; he knows if anyone has a shot at taking him down, then they were on this boat." Steve reasoned, tapping his foot.

"You guys have been at each others throats this whole time. I kept wondering why, and now I think I have a pretty good idea... did we all just assume that he has to touch you with the stick to control you?" I asked, flexing my neck back and forth as soreness slowly faded. "We should have smashed that thing. Found the cube some other way." I opined.

"Hindsight's 20/20 and all, but I dunno, maybe if we'd floated that idea Fury would shoot it down because it takes away one more source of space guns." Tony growled under his breath, as Fury sighed under his breath, arms crossed behind his back.

"Yes. We used the Tesseract to build weapons. Probably would have done more if we had the chance. But I never put all my eggs in that particular basket. I had other ideas. Namely, all of you. Tony knows this; Charud too."

"The Avengers program? Still not clear what I'm avenging, by the way." I said, grabbing my fifth bear claw of the hour and wolfing it down. "Sounds like SHIELD's not exactly a unified front on this stuff. Some of your higher ups have different ideas about how things should be done?"

Fury didn't say anything but he did pick up a donut and bite right into it, shocking me, I having been under the impression that he subsisted on a diet of his own hardassedness.

"Still if he wanted to kill us there's more efficient ways. Why all together, right here, with himself present personally?" Tony persisted, pacing the length of the briefing room. "...Why'd he start monologuing to a bunch of kneeling civilians in Stuttgart?"

"Because he's an egotistical fuck. No offense." I said.

"I am somewhat offended but I cannot argue." Thor grumbled, apparently somewhat humbled by his near miss with tumbling out of the sky in a big glass box.

"Right, right, he wanted to beat us on our home turf, prove he'd outwitted us, and do it publicly... Show everyone that he's the smartest guy in the room." Tony went on.

"Speaking from experience here?" Steve jibed, but gently.

"Yeah yeah yeah I get it, I'm a diva, I talk down to people, I sing my own praises, I build monuments in the sky with my name-" He started, then interrupted himself as we all turned to face him at once.

"...Son of a bitch, he's gonna steal my tower."

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Stark and I both flew in at the same time. Now I could feel Loki again, radiating icy smugness from Stark's gaudy monument to his own ego. The cube was there, actine blue light sparking over the surface of Selvig's device as the man himself busily ran around it checking readings.

"Shut it down Dr Selvig!" Stark ordered over the roar of the wind and the device.

"It's too late!" Selvig said, manic in his mannerisms, blue light burning in his eyes. "She can't stop now. She wants to show us something... a new universe!" he said, to the roar of scientific triumph.

"...Okay." Stark said, and blasted the machine. Or at least tried; both of us knocked backward by the shockwave coming off it.

"Alright... new plan." Tony said, shaking it off. "You coming?" he asked, as he set down and began to step free of his suit, while I eyed Loki warily, and did something I was probably going to regret. Going along with Tony's plan.


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Coulson lives!

I mean, he lived before, but now he doesn't need to be exiled to TV-land to never again interact with the main cast.
 
Coulson lives!

I mean, he lived before, but now he doesn't need to be exiled to TV-land to never again interact with the main cast.

TBH I don't think he's going to interact with people all THAT much in my fic either. I didn't even save him for any particular reason.

I don't really get people's affection for the guy. He doesn't really do much for me. But in the circumstance they were in, it would be pretty unbelievable for Charud to not be able to save him, and I'd have to be a real dick to let him die just to give the Avengers some pathos and make them stop acting like poo babies.
 
I don't really get people's affection for the guy.
I'm pretty sure it's just the novelty of a balding guy with terminal accountant-face and perfect straight-man delivery interacting with constantly-wisecracking Hollywood-attractive type-A personalities. While his perfect straight-man thing is still there, the intrinsic nature of the incongruity his accountant-face and receding hairline bring to his presence means he doesn't really work as well in a nonvisual medium.
 
I'm pretty sure it's just the novelty of a balding guy with terminal accountant-face and perfect straight-man delivery interacting with constantly-wisecracking Hollywood-attractive type-A personalities. While his perfect straight-man thing is still there, the intrinsic nature of the incongruity his accountant-face and receding hairline bring to his presence means he doesn't really work as well in a nonvisual medium.

I guess. I don't dislike him by any means, and I could watch people threaten to taze Tony all day. I just always thought it was weird how popular he was.
 
Nope! I've got the movie open right here, Selvig consistently refers to the cube as a She. Which as a Wakfu fan, concerns me deeply.
 
"...Okay." Stark said, and blasted the machine. Or at least tried; both of us knocked backward by the shockwave coming off it.
So, question. Selvig being loopy enough to confuse opening a portal to another point in the (local) Galaxy with going to a completely different dimension (not universe, because the multiverse is also part of the universe by definition, DBZ just uses the wrong terminology like with 'Androids')...

From what I remember the generator is just this medium sized apparatus on the roof with an energy shield powered by the Tesseract. Said shield isn't absolute though, because the portal can still be generated and powered even with it on, and light and sound pass through as communication shows.

Now. All that in mind, Stark at least might have the bright idea of some sort of exotic attack or energy tuning to bypass the shield, and is BS Clarke-tech enough to maybe do it. But ignoring that, and going to Charud and his...direct mindset; what exactly is stopping him from taking the floor out from under the set-up? Even if the shield would prevent damage omnidirectionally, just shifting it's position much less outright dropping it would probably play merry hell with trying to form a portal (especially one that needs to 'charge'. Waving that beam around wouldn't let it build up, if it could keep trying to form a portal at all.)

Now, maybe the Tesseract (Infinity Stone) is BS enough to be loosely recognizing threats like Stark's blasting (removing the options to attack from somewhere else, or BS 'tune' his beams), and maybe it could counter not having a floor anymore as well (locking in place in space once activated? Relative to Earth that is.) Maybe it's as simple as just being to risky to shutdown the overpowered portal by force (unless it's an Infinity Spear I guess) without causing a massive explosion, or the portal 'beam' itself is too likely to act like the Bifrost and sending it for tumble would be like the Crayon of God angrily scribbling in red on a map of New York.

The OG Avenger's wouldn't be able to take the 'floor' out between Cap, Nat, and Hawk because they don't have the destructive ability. Hulk is out of control (or has so little as to not matter with such a precise task), and Tony might not (because he doesn't seem to have his more destructive toys yet, and he probably built his tower strong) have that kind of force either, or the time to tinker up a bypass to the shield on his own. Finally, Thor probably could do whatever Charud can, but he's got a bull-headed Warrior way of thinking still, and it probably hasn't even occurred to him to react to magic (or force fields) in any way other then trying to charge and overpower it, or wait for an opening and react after he's calmed down from the first failing. And while the others could tell him what to do... their all new to the team work thing (barring maybe Cap and Hawk Eye as soldiers), each other, and have very different experiences and methods of combat. Winging it, half a plan, rules of chivalry honor, military CoC and tactics, and too high on RAGE for words seems to be the range of the Avengers current methodology, and those don't lend well to meshing in the middle of a fight.

Lots of reasons why the portal device wouldn't just get ganked early for the purposes of whatever plot you have in mind, but Charud still changes Canon and is literally right there. He could at least ask or try something first and then give up, rather then pulling an imitation of the Z-fighters and how they usually deal with enemy transformations/power-ups. Unless that's the point and will be brought up later?

Otherwise, to ease the extended monologue...good chap, looking forward to more.
 
Never seen Wakfu.
Context please?

They're probably talking about the Eliacube, a glowing green cube-shaped McGuffin that can store huge amounts of energy and drove the main antagonist of the first season of Wakfu, Nox, insane. He said the Eliacube promised him the ability to go back in time to save his dead family if only he fed it enough life energy, and proceeded to harvest entire continents worth of the stuff. Nox thought that if he went back in time, all the atrocities he was committing would be undone...

Turns out the Eliacube was deceiving him / he was already insane, because with the power he had spent two hundred years to gather, he could only go back in time a measly 20 minutes.
 
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So is anybody else feeling more and more unsatisfied by this fic? Like the MC has no real impact on the story beside either some lines and just making it go marginally faster but nothing different. And as a saiyan is quite frankly an embarrassment. What is even the point in reading this, or whats meant to keep us reading it.
 
So is anybody else feeling more and more unsatisfied by this fic? Like the MC has no real impact on the story beside either some lines and just making it go marginally faster but nothing different. And as a saiyan is quite frankly an embarrassment. What is even the point in reading this, or whats meant to keep us reading it.

Thats how the butterfly effect works though, starts with small changes and then they keep growing untill there is a hurricane of those.

And frankly, the character is still far too weak to actually just bulldoze trough the plot, he would be pasted by Loki on an 1x1 so there is not really much he can do without plot knowledge, just react to the Canon events as best as he can and start to accumulate those micro changes. Also, almost no fights, Sayans beat the plot to death, talking through it is just less effective.

Coulson is not dead and thus the avengers are waaaay less in unity at the moment, seems like the helicarrier took less damage and might still be useful, Widow didn't get the hulk scare which might change things in interesting ways on their weird ass relationship in the future, if they still have one at all, the MC actually gave decent arguments on why shield would do weapon research, and when they are not being mind controled those might change the development of a few of the characters perspectives on the organization, which could change stuff civil war wise. And that's just on the more recent chapters.
 
So is anybody else feeling more and more unsatisfied by this fic? Like the MC has no real impact on the story beside either some lines and just making it go marginally faster but nothing different. And as a saiyan is quite frankly an embarrassment. What is even the point in reading this, or whats meant to keep us reading it.

Believe me I'm feeling exactly as annoyed as you are, and I'm trying to blitz through this bit as quick as I can because I'm sick of retreading canon. But I have to, because fuck it I made the decision to come in at Iron Man 2 and I'm stuck with it now.

Not to spoil things, but you have already read the LAST retread chapter. That stage is officially over, starting now.
 
Thats how the butterfly effect works though, starts with small changes and then they keep growing untill there is a hurricane of those.

And frankly, the character is still far too weak to actually just bulldoze trough the plot, he would be pasted by Loki on an 1x1 so there is not really much he can do without plot knowledge, just react to the Canon events as best as he can and start to accumulate those micro changes. Also, almost no fights, Sayans beat the plot to death, talking through it is just less effective.

Coulson is not dead and thus the avengers are waaaay less in unity at the moment, seems like the helicarrier took less damage and might still be useful, Widow didn't get the hulk scare which might change things in interesting ways on their weird ass relationship in the future, if they still have one at all, the MC actually gave decent arguments on why shield would do weapon research, and when they are not being mind controled those might change the development of a few of the characters perspectives on the organization, which could change stuff civil war wise. And that's just on the more recent chapters.
I really want to like this fic and I'm still gonna keep giving it a chance, but it's dissatisfying ya know:confused::cry:

Believe me I'm feeling exactly as annoyed as you are, and I'm trying to blitz through this bit as quick as I can because I'm sick of retreading canon. But I have to, because fuck it I made the decision to come in at Iron Man 2 and I'm stuck with it now.

Not to spoil things, but you have already read the LAST retread chapter. That stage is officially over, starting now.
I think if you started as a baby in a capsule and this was all taking place while you were 10-12 years old, it would be far more believable and entertaining imo. you get to create butterflies and at the same time it's entirely understandable that cannon is still on the rails. Since, well he's a super powered kid but things are still out of his league. And when the big shit starts hitting the fan, he will be old enough to make a massive difference.
 
I really want to like this fic and I'm still gonna keep giving it a chance, but it's dissatisfying ya know:confused::cry:

I think if you started as a baby in a capsule and this was all taking place while you were 10-12 years old, it would be far more believable and entertaining imo. you get to create butterflies and at the same time it's entirely understandable that cannon is still on the rails. Since, well he's a super powered kid but things are still out of his league. And when the big shit starts hitting the fan, he will be old enough to make a massive difference.
Then you have to address the puberty thing though.
 
Now. All that in mind, Stark at least might have the bright idea of some sort of exotic attack or energy tuning to bypass the shield, and is BS Clarke-tech enough to maybe do it. But ignoring that, and going to Charud and his...direct mindset; what exactly is stopping him from taking the floor out from under the set-up? Even if the shield would prevent damage omnidirectionally, just shifting it's position much less outright dropping it would probably play merry hell with trying to form a portal (especially one that needs to 'charge'. Waving that beam around wouldn't let it build up, if it could keep trying to form a portal at all.)
Eh. *Waggles hand* Personally, I wouldn't have done anything different from what they did in canon.

IIRC, at the point that Tony blasted the Tesseract, the whole bubble/portal creation thing had become self-sustaining. So...actually dropping the floor out from under it might have made things worse. The original configuration had the portal beam pointed at the sky: if the floor was dropped out from under the device, there's no telling what direction it would have ended up facing. What happens if the beam emitter ends up pointing sideways at the city, or worse, straight down at the ground? At minimum, there's buildings being torn apart like paper by the portal's event horizon as it forms. At worst: an entire portion of the city suddenly sinks into the ground and is tossed into deep space halfway across the universe along with the Tesseract.

So, really, the only safe thing to do was leave the portal device alone and hope that you could beat the answers on how to turn it off out of Loki.
 
It's weird that people keep treating Saiyans as this unstoppable warrior race. I'm pretty sure Yamcha beating the shit out of a bunch of Saibamen before his death by suicide bomber marks him as stronger than the majority of Saiyans that have ever existed.
 
It's weird that people keep treating Saiyans as this unstoppable warrior race. I'm pretty sure Yamcha beating the shit out of a bunch of Saibamen before his death by suicide bomber marks him as stronger than the majority of Saiyans that have ever existed.
Yeah years of endless power escalation and canon's never ending hard-on for saiyans makes a lot of people forget that in the grand scheme of things that weren't that strong.
 
Yeah years of endless power escalation and canon's never ending hard-on for saiyans makes a lot of people forget that in the grand scheme of things that weren't that strong.
But it's only Goku, Vegeta, their family and Broly that canon has a hard on for. Every other Saiyan is portrayed as jobbers including Goku and Vegeta's fathers. Honestly outside of the Earth Saiyans; the species as a whole ain't that impressive compared to Marvel alien races like the Kree or Skrulls or even Shi'ar.
 
But it's only Goku, Vegeta, their family and Broly that canon has a hard on for. Every other Saiyan is portrayed as jobbers including Goku and Vegeta's fathers. Honestly outside of the Earth Saiyans; the species as a whole ain't that impressive compared to Marvel alien races like the Kree or Skrulls or even Shi'ar.

Maybe if you account for comic book ridiculousness and power bloat, but in the MCU? Hell no. Bardock has picked his teeth with bigger badasses than Ronan, and King Vegeta is like two and a half Hulks minimum, even if you discount planet busting.
 
But it's only Goku, Vegeta, their family and Broly that canon has a hard on for. Every other Saiyan is portrayed as jobbers including Goku and Vegeta's fathers. Honestly outside of the Earth Saiyans; the species as a whole ain't that impressive compared to Marvel alien races like the Kree or Skrulls or even Shi'ar.
I was agreeing with you. Either way if it makes for a more compelling story I don't mind if the MC isn't the biggest strong boy yet, and I'm glad the stakes are at a level worth caring about still.
 
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