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From the Hidden City (Warhammer Lizardmen Temple-City Quest)

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Keeper of Dreams said:
I wonder how significant is the effect of this protection, can anyone tell me?...
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Hard to say. Especially because we don't know how Mazdamundi might do on his end, because Cuttlefish is a tease.

At the upper end of things? Morrslieb is pushed back far enough that the Beastmen population is at a minimum and Warpstone meteors are incredibly rare, much more so than canon. The latter would substantially weaken the Skaven.

[x] [MESSAGE] That Cicedhya and her folk were the first of their people they had seen in many centuries and they were invited to return to Zlatlan, there to have an audience with Lord Wik'keer'mal.

[X] [Q] Yes.
-[X] [Q] How fares Ulthuan and the elves in general?
-[X] [Q] How fare the dro'ka'khanx and cho'mundi'khanx?
 
Ferdiad said:
I don't think it's safe to bring the elves to our City.
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Why not? There are relatively small numbers of them, their capabilities aren't vastly superior to ours (no conquistador shit would be practical), and we have a lot of information about the state of the world that it would be really really useful to get from them.

Though the artifact they want is probably one of ours, so we may have to disappoint them, in which case the odds of convincing them to help us are pretty slim.

CuttleFish2.0 said:
No, sorry for not being clearer. As with the results of A Disciplined Mind last turn these apply broadly to you ability to take more actions over a turn, so currently (and irrespective of the results of any other actions taken this turn) you would roll 5 d10 and 1 d8 to determine your dice pool next turn.
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So, on average, +1 action per turn. Nice. Well worth the investment.

AbyssalDaemon said:
One interesting butterfly effect of this is how it is going to influence the elven view of the world. Yes, elves are incredibly arrogant but they have earned that pride. In canon, there is literally no other younger race who will have bled or spent so much of their treasury in pursuit of protecting the world. Barring Chaos and their own dark cousins, there is no power which equals* Ulthuan. They are the oldest continuous power in the world. Yet, at the same that very arrogance is among their greatest weaknesses. It has multiple times led them to ruin.

Here, there is the possibility of us being able to knock that pride down a notch and hopefully refocus it. Just the knowledge that Ulthuan is not alone in the War against Chaos is likely to help. We have an amazing chance to influence how Ulthuan interacts with races like mankind. Convincing them that we helped mentor the early elves might get them to turn around and focus on their cultural-building among humanity millennia early as they now have a legacy to live up to.
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I'm hoping for something along those lines. I think we should make a deliberate effort to reach out to Ulthuan because of this, preferably before natural attrition kills off the pre-Catastrophe elves we tutored.

EDIT: Also, we might get them to carry some messages to the Slann across the sea for us which would really help.
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Yeah, I built that into the write-in. The only problem is, if they're here for a specific artifact, that's probably a non-negotiable NO.

Woltaire said:
were elves not aware of lizardmem durning this time and for how long
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I'm pretty sure the elves knew of the lizardmen (they DID interact in the past, before the Catastrophe). But given how we didn't contact them for many centuries, it seems likely that they thought we'd all been wiped out in the Catastrophe, or at a bare minimum that there were no lizardmen left in the Southlands.
 
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Elven knowledge of Lizardmen is a strange, fractured affair. Personal contact with Slann in particular and Lizardmen in general before the fall of the polar gates fell into two categories; one, where certain elves of extreme magical talent and intellect were spirited away to be taught the secrets of the cosmos in secret, and two, where adventurous elves (like Aenarion) left the safety of Ulthuan to explore the incredibly dangerous world and happened to have a run in with (and perhaps even fight alongside) patrols and/or armies of the Lizardmen. There was never widespread contact. But stories got carried back and so there are some, scattered and incomplete fragments of knowledge about Lizardmen available to the elves. Whether any particular individual or group will be aware of them is chancy.

I'm comfortable saying this because this is information Wik'keer'mal himself would either know or have deduced with rapidity. Though the program of specific and accelerated training had ended long before the gates fell the Slann had not stopped observing the progress of the projects the Old Ones had entrusted to them. Then everything went promptly to shit.
 
[x] [MESSAGE] That Cicedhya and her folk were the first of their people they had seen in many centuries and they were invited to return to Zlatlan, there to have an audience with Lord Wik'keer'mal.

[X] [Q] Yes.
-[X] [Q] How fares Ulthuan and the elves in general?
-[X] [Q] How fare the dro'ka'khanx and cho'mundi'khanx?
 
[x] [MESSAGE] That Cicedhya and her folk were the first of their people they had seen in many centuries and they were invited to return to Zlatlan, there to have an audience with Lord Wik'keer'mal.

[X] [Q] Yes.
-[X] [Q] How fares Ulthuan and the elves in general?
-[X] [Q] How fare the dro'ka'khanx and cho'mundi'khanx?
 
Simon_Jester said:
Why not? There are relatively small numbers of them, their capabilities aren't vastly superior to ours (no conquistador shit would be practical), and we have a lot of information about the state of the world that it would be really really useful to get from them.
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Also, don't we have Carnosaurs? I feel like Carnosaurs are a bit of a trump card.

To say nothing of dozens of slann.
 
Woltaire said:
were elves not aware of lizardmem durning this time and for how long
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They sort of just forgot, and it's not exactly their fault. Between chaos and numerous conflicts, anyone with personal experience or understanding probably died off with records having no meaning. Like, they might have some elf's personal journal or scrolls detailing bipedal mono-gendered/genderless lizards, but there's no impact on what that means for the Elf-kind. Coupled with the Lizardmen's collective isolation( and subsequent not helping attitude) then Lizardmen are probably relegated as an afterthought, but not really something to actively fight. After all, there are softer human targets they may enslave, and chaos plots to foil!
 
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[x] [MESSAGE] That Cicedhya and her folk were the first of their people they had seen in many centuries and they were invited to return to Zlatlan, there to have an audience with Lord Wik'keer'mal.

[X] [Q] Yes.
-[X] [Q] How fares Ulthuan and the elves in general?
-[X] [Q] How fare the dro'ka'khanx and cho'mundi'khanx?
 
My own question...is the ship we openly approached the same as the one we spied on? Cause if it isnt...thats very interesting.

Fair points have been raised on the squishiness of elves vs slaan brainpower and krixigor wit hammers, and if our skinks see them as clumsy whilst sneaking toally unaware on the elven ship... we can keep an eye on them.

And lastly, yaaaaay, we fixed the errors, no idea what will happen but we fixed em.



[X] [MESSAGE] That Cicedhya and her folk were the first of their people they had seen in many centuries and they were invited to return to Zlatlan, there to have an audience with Lord Wik'keer'mal.

[X] [Q] Yes.
-[X] [Q] How fares Ulthuan and the elves in general?
-[X] [Q] How fare the dro'ka'khanx and cho'mundi'khanx?
-[X] [Q] Have you any news of Lustria, across the sea from here?
-[X] [Q] Do any students amongst the Elves still live?
-[X] [Q] What is the state of the world after the Great Cataclysm?
-[X] [Q] Who are you and whom do you represent?
-[X] [Q] What do you seek here?
 
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[X] [MESSAGE] That Cicedhya and her folk were the first of their people they had seen in many centuries and they were invited to return to Zlatlan, there to have an audience with Lord Wik'keer'mal.

[X] [Q] Yes.
-[X] [Q] How fares Ulthuan and the elves in general?
-[X] [Q] How fare the dro'ka'khanx and cho'mundi'khanx?
-[X] [Q] Have you any news of Lustria, across the sea from here?
 
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[X] [Q] Yes.
-[X] [Q] How fares Ulthuan and the elves in general?
-[X] [Q] How fare the dro'ka'khanx and cho'mundi'khanx?
-[X] [Q] Have you any news of Lustria, across the sea from here?
-[X] [Q] Do any students amongst the Elves still live?
-[X] [Q] What is the state of the world after the Great Cataclysm?
-[X] [Q] Who are you and whom do you represent?
-[X] [Q] What do you seek here?
 
ShadowNic94 said:
[] [MESSAGE] That Cicedhya and her folk were the first of their people they had seen in many centuries and they were invited to return to Zlatlan, there to have an audience with Lord Wik'keer'mal.

[] [Q] Yes.
-[] [Q] How fares Ulthuan and the elves in general?
-[] [Q] How fare the dro'ka'khanx and cho'mundi'khanx?
-[] [Q] Have you any news of Lustria, across the sea from here?
-[] [Q] Do any students amongst the Elves still live?
-[] [Q] What is the state of the world after the Great Cataclysm?
-[] [Q] Who are you and whom do you represent?
-[] [Q] What do you seek here?
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I don't like this extended write-in. It feels out of character.

Remember, skink priests tend to leave the heavy thinking and decision-making to the slann, and Gif'a-Gahb was exceptionally deferential in this regard. Many of these feel like questions that Gif'a-Gahb wouldn't think about unless Wik'keer'mal was specifically puppeting him to ask the questions through him... and Wik'keer'mal will get a chance to question the elves himself soon enough.
 
[x] [MESSAGE] That Cicedhya and her folk were the first of their people they had seen in many centuries and they were invited to return to Zlatlan, there to have an audience with Lord Wik'keer'mal.

[X] [Q] Yes.
-[X] [Q] How fares Ulthuan and the elves in general?
-[X] [Q] How fare the dro'ka'khanx and cho'mundi'khanx?
 
Yeah, my thinking was to just ask the basic questions now, then let Wik go more in depth in person.
Plus there's a chance they give information that conflicts with what our chameleon skinks found, but I consider that a secondary concern at best.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Yeah, I built that into the write-in. The only problem is, if they're here for a specific artifact, that's probably a non-negotiable NO.
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On the other hand, we might be able to enchant and item or perform a ritual that Does what they need.

Or, if they only need the artifact temporarily for a specific use, which might well be to fight Chaos remnants or taint, we could send a skink priest to bring the artifact to where it's needed and return it afterwards.
 
[x] [MESSAGE] That Cicedhya and her folk were the first of their people they had seen in many centuries and they were invited to return to Zlatlan, there to have an audience with Lord Wik'keer'mal.

[X] [Q] Yes.
-[X] [Q] How fares Ulthuan and the elves in general?
-[X] [Q] How fare the dro'ka'khanx and cho'mundi'khanx?
 
[x] [MESSAGE] That Cicedhya and her folk were the first of their people they had seen in many centuries and they were invited to return to Zlatlan, there to have an audience with Lord Wik'keer'mal.

[X] [Q] Yes.
-[X] [Q] How fares Ulthuan and the elves in general?
-[X] [Q] How fare the dro'ka'khanx and cho'mundi'khanx?
 
[X] [MESSAGE] That Cicedhya and her ships were trespassing upon territories watched by the Lizardmen of Zlatlan, and they would know their intent.
 
[X] [MESSAGE] That Cicedhya and her folk were the first of their people they had seen in many centuries and they were invited to return to Zlatlan, there to have an audience with Lord Wik'keer'mal.
[X] [Q] Yes.
-[X] [Q] How fares Ulthuan and the elves in general?
-[X] [Q] How fare the dro'ka'khanx and cho'mundi'khanx?
-[X] [Q] Have you any news of Lustria, across the sea from here?
 
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Well, the tally looks pretty decisive so I'll go ahead and call it.
Adhoc vote count started by CuttleFish2.0 on Jun 14, 2020 at 10:51 AM, finished with 66 posts and 37 votes.
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argenten said:
My own question...is the ship we openly approached the same as the one we spied on? Cause if it isnt...thats very interesting.
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@CuttleFish2.0

This is actually a good question. Are we reasonably confident that these elves are from the same expedition we earlier spied on with chameleon skinks? I gather that the answer is 'yes' but would like to confirm.

Alratan said:
On the other hand, we might be able to enchant and item or perform a ritual that Does what they need.

Or, if they only need the artifact temporarily for a specific use, which might well be to fight Chaos remnants or taint, we could send a skink priest to bring the artifact to where it's needed and return it afterwards.
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That sounds reasonable, though I suspect that on further examination it may turn out to be, like, Malekith or his mom who's behind this expedition in which case not so much.

[For a while there I got confused about Malekith's timeline, but yeah, he's the son of Aenarion and Aenarion died in the Cataclysm, so he's around and presumably an autonomous adult by now, and already scheming with Morathi to take the throne now that Bel Shanaar is king and he is not]

[Note: Bel Shanaar reigned for about 1600 years after the Cataclysm, and Malekith's endgame attempt to take the throne was what caused his death. If we want to butterfly that, or the War of the Beardly Vengeance that created the split between elves and dwarves, we PROBABLY have several turns to play with, but we need to make getting engaged with the elves a priority.]
 
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Why thank you :3

Although I'd say it's more Morathi pulling a Morgana le Fey and corrupting Malekith aka Mordred but yeh, this is probably still early on to that.
 
Simon_Jester said:
@CuttleFish2.0

This is actually a good question. Are we reasonably confident that these elves are from the same expedition we earlier spied on with chameleon skinks? I gather that the answer is 'yes' but would like to confirm.
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Yes. Your agents are certain, though admittedly they have difficulty telling apart individuals (they are all so drab looking and their most distinctive colorations come from their clothes), so they couldn't really tell you who amongst the expedition is in charge or the various potential relationships without a lot more observation, but they do know that no vessels left the small bay until your greeting part was within a weeks travel or so. And then only to the mouth until Gif'a-Gahb gently encouraged them back in. Whether all the sails that were seen previously belonged to this expedition they can't say.
 
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