Yes, but since it's rule of drama only magical girls can provide them, and then we just bust out our upgraded items because those are unrelated to our power level after we've created them anyway.
Who says heroes can't do the same to us, though?

Questions!

Other than Progenitor, is anyone immune to Null's power?

Is Null's power optimal?

Can we attack Null by using an upgraded weapon, firing from outside his Null Power zone?
 
If a villain is a skilled actor and knows what they're doing, it's pitifully easy for them to start stacking debuffs until it's physically impossible for a M G/B to hurt them at any point in the next several hours.
Mechanically speaking, this is probably the prime reason to not go Dark Magical Girl.
I believe it's already been established that the buffs and debuffs only apply when we're in our MG form, meaning in the rare event that it becomes a problem, we can just de-transform. Sure, that could (depending on the context) break the facade of our faked power set, but that would've been a risk we weighed when we were deciding which set to fake for that particular operation.

In other words, if we have reason to believe that a certain opponent is proficient at exploiting the weaknesses of a certain power set, then we won't use that power set when we fight them!
 
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I believe it's already been established that the buffs and debuffs only apply when we're in our MG form, meaning in the rare event that it becomes a problem, we can just de-transform. Sure, that could (depending on the context) break the facade of our faked power set, but that would've been a risk we weighed when we were deciding which set to fake for that particular operation.

In other words, if we have reason to believe that a certain opponent is proficient at exploiting the weaknesses of a certain power set, then we won't use that power set when we fight them!
becoming a Magical Girl inflicts a debuff to our powers while in base form
 
we can just de-transform.

While true it bares noting that becoming a Magical Girl decreases our powers while untransformed. Fortunately that isn't much of a problem with Evelyn's powerset. While having weaker thinker powers, time reversal powers, and overdrive powers isn't great the majority of Evelyn's combat ability will likely come from her Upgrades which are pre-prepared and thus unaffected.

That's actually the big plus of going Magical Girl; it makes our Upgrading more powerful so we can get bigger and better upgrades faster then we would otherwise. The question is if that offsets the downsides of being a Magical Girl.

Speaking of which we have a month in which to upgrade Evelyn and her tools. Has anyone put any thought into what we could do with that?
 
Speaking of which we have a month in which to upgrade Evelyn and her tools. Has anyone put any thought into what we could do with that?
I think some base form upgrades would be a good start, so we're not totally reliant on tools... Mum even started that already, we just need to continue ^.^
If we're going MG route, we'll want to get our sister with the SCIENCE! power to take a look at mum's infiltration gear and make a better version, then we upgrade that and use it to sneak into Prism.

Even if we dont intend to go MG, mum's gear is still one of the better bases to start from, since it's already pretty good on its own.
 
Speaking of which we have a month in which to upgrade Evelyn and her tools. Has anyone put any thought into what we could do with that?
other than upgrading her base parameters(upgrade things like muscle density, vision, learning speed, and reaction times), we should see what sort of gear we can get our hands on (either from Mother[ENCHANTMENT!] or Skye[SCIENCE!], or Both [ENCHANTED SCIENCE!])
 
other than upgrading her base parameters(upgrade things like muscle density, vision, learning speed, and reaction times), we should see what sort of gear we can get our hands on (either from Mother[ENCHANTMENT!] or Skye[SCIENCE!], or Both [ENCHANTED SCIENCE!])
Then we upgrade it, and have Skye SCIENCE it, make a better version, then we upgrade that.
 
We might also want to look into stealth and concealment, resource and scanning/info gathering upgrades.
The stealth since Skye's and our powers require ramp up time and might be quite attention getting if we experiment.
Resource and scanning so we can let Skye tinker to her hearts delight without worrying about things to examine / resources. And if we get a detailed enough look at a high tier hero/villain's gear, we might be able to jump a few tiers of experimentation.
 
becoming a Magical Girl inflicts a debuff to our powers while in base form
Me: [Inhales]
Fortunately that isn't much of a problem with Evelyn's powerset. While having weaker thinker powers, time reversal powers, and overdrive powers isn't great the majority of Evelyn's combat ability will likely come from her Upgrades which are pre-prepared and thus unaffected.

That's actually the big plus of going Magical Girl; it makes our Upgrading more powerful so we can get bigger and better upgrades faster then we would otherwise.
...Ninja'd.

Speaking of which we have a month in which to upgrade Evelyn and her tools. Has anyone put any thought into what we could do with that?
I think we should start by splitting our first day's power pool evenly between boosting several of our basic abilities (durability, reflexes, healing speed, the acuity of several senses, etc.), in order to get a sense of how big that pool is. After that, dump more points into all of those plus physical strength (although it's important that our durability improvements keep pace with our strength improvements, so we don't break our own body when we do heavy lifting). We should also upgrade our charisma/perceived trustability/whatever, for enhanced allying. And we might be able to insane-troll-logic our way into giving ourselves telepathy.

And we'd do all of this for our sisters as well, of course.

As an aside, it has just occurred to me that we could destroy any object/breach any wall/etc., no matter how strong, by Overdriving it and then stalling for one minute. :p
 
*Reads chapter*

"So, presumably people will be smart enough to recognize that giving clever opponents the ability to outright disable our powerful, versatile abilities (such as the time reverse, which is capable of essentially healing people from death, as long as it was recent) is a definite downside, and people will reassess whether being a MG is a wise choice."

"After all, we'd be risking having our ability fail us at a crucial moment, like after someone has died and we want to reverse that or we need to upgrade something to do something specific for a particular purpose. Being a Magical Girl, while useful, would enable clever individuals to get a distinct advantage, and while we might be more powerful most of the time, most of our serious opponents would be capable of this, so we'd be weaker when it mattered."

"I'm sure that even to strongest advocate for becoming a Magical Girl will have to seriously consider if it's worthwhile."

*Reads comments*

"... Ooooor not. We could not actually think about it and jump blindly to support the idea, with highly dubious arguments. That's cool too, I guess."

So, yeah, I suggest some of those arguing for MGing up actually take a minute to think.

Things to consider about becoming a MG:

1. Our magical girl abilities are essentially: durability, strength, maybe flight, and love lasers or something. It varies in the particulars, but it's basically the ability to beat stuff up good.

2. Our powers get weaker while untransformed.

3. Our powers are at normal strength as a base while transformed, but these can be either positively or negatively affected by certain buffs or debuffs.

3a. As these buffs and debuffs are essentially reliant on whether we're doing something 'for great justice' or somesuch, in most cases we will not be any stronger while transformed. After all, prep-work probably isn't dramatic enough to trigger it unless we're under a time limit or something, so will likely not noticeably speed up our upgrading outside of high-pressure situations. Also, we have to mind out for accidentally doing stuff counter to MG values.

3b. Certain experienced individuals will be able to stack debuff after debuff, so there's the risk of being essentially powerless at a crucial moment and having to rely on premade items. Most of the major threats to us will be able to do this, because anyone able to become a major player either has a ridiculous amount of power, or a large amount of power and cunning, so we'll be at a disadvantage compared to a non MG against the people we should actually be worried about. Also, again, we have to mind out for accidentally doing stuff counter to MG values.

4. We aren't a prep based character. We're not. At all. Stop saying this. We have a versatile powerset, one ability of which is moderately prep-based, because it's more powerful when given a period of days or weeks in which to work, because upgrades stack and we have a limited power supply.

4a. However, equally, we can upgrade stuff in the heat of the moment to solve a particular problem. We can't prepare for everything, but Upgrade gives us the tools we need to create a tool for a problem when we encounter it.

4b. We have other powers, one of which can reverse time for people, healing them and potentially bring the very recently killed back to life. These matter too, because they can do things we can't realistically do with Upgrade any time soon. Like make us totally invincible, if temporarily. We can laugh off anything if we see it coming.

Alright, there's probably more, but I think I've summarized why there needs to be actual thought put into whether being a MG is even a power up for us, and if the downsides outweigh the upsides.
 
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3. Our powers are at normal strength as a base while transformed, but these can be either positively or negatively affected by certain buffs or debuffs.
not an advocate for going Dark Magical Girl, but this isn't the case.
if we go Magical Girl then our powers are buffed while we're in MG form, weakened in base form, and then there are the external factors which can positively or negatively effect our power level.
 

Huh. You're completely right.

I can see where the confusion came from though since when I went looking for confirmation that powers are boosted while transformed I found:
Worth noting is that capes can have MG powers added to their own, which is extremely unusual. It somewhat weakens their "base" form, true, and levels of power can dip or rise from odd circumstances. Many find that worth it for the increase in capabilities given by the transformation, especially the added durability.
which does sound like our powers would be increased. However on re-reading I think it's actually referring to the extra powers we'd get.

Which aren't really worth it from what I can tell.
 

which refers to working together with our sisters. when will we not be working together with our sisters? the buffs aren't just powered by "love and justuce", family ties and friendship work just as well. not to mention that with Dark MGs being a thing, there must be some way to buff yourself using things other than the standard stuff. after all, if being a violent anti-social vigilante would stack debuffs on an MG, then there must be a way for Dark MGs to power themselves up other than the standard stuff.
 
No, the advocates for it are just really pushy.

We're all still talking it over.
Yeah, they're a lot like mormons. coming to your door at all hours of the night, asking if you'd like to know about the healing powers of friendship.

Now that I think about it I want to see that fic.
*Ding Dong*
"Hello! My name is Elder Akemi! Have you let our lord and savior Madoka-Chan into your heart?"
"Uhh, no?"
"Would you like to? If you invite me in I can tell you all about the healing power of friendship!"
"I think I'm going to go now..."
"I wouldn't do that if I were you, Madoka-chan's love is the only thing that keeps you from freezing forever at the end of the universe, follow her and you can be free of the cycle of suffering inflicted by the great enemy!"
*Slams door*
"I'll just leave this book here. remember Modoka LOVES YOU"
 
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I got here after the vote locked and read all the arguments for and against magical girls... and I still want to do the Dark Magical Girl thing.
The benefits seem to outweigh the downsides, and honestly the concept just appeals to me.
 
which does sound like our powers would be increased. However on re-reading I think it's actually referring to the extra powers we'd get.

Yeah, as much as I like Alivaril's writing, clear and unambiguous communication of WoG is not his strong point.

which refers to working together with our sisters.

Please click through and read the context properly. The quote outright, unambiguously confirms that the initial statement (That our powers were automatically stronger when transformed) was incorrect.

the buffs aren't just powered by "love and justuce", family ties and friendship work just as well. not to mention that with Dark MGs being a thing, there must be some way to buff yourself using things other than the standard stuff. after all, if being a violent anti-social vigilante would stack debuffs on an MG, then there must be a way for Dark MGs to power themselves up other than the standard stuff.

MG abilities are basically powered by following MG conventions. Speeches about friendship, working together, redeeming people, all that crap. Dark MG's can probably do something similar with Dark MG conventions, like secretly having a tragic past and such.
 
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huh, remembered things wrongly.
which refers to working together with our sisters. when will we not be working together with our sisters? the buffs aren't just powered by "love and justuce", family ties and friendship work just as well. not to mention that with Dark MGs being a thing, there must be some way to buff yourself using things other than the standard stuff. after all, if being a violent anti-social vigilante would stack debuffs on an MG, then there must be a way for Dark MGs to power themselves up other than the standard stuff.
if we went DMG(or even just plain MG) we wouldn't need to be powered by Love and Justice.
It's a thing you can actually do, although it can weaken your other powers in the wrong circumstances. It basically gives you a few extra abilities (mostly laser beams), then bonuses or debuffs based upon the cause you're fighting for and other circumstances. See also: "Personal Knowledge: Magical Girls" near the start of the index.
 
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