[X] It's uncharacteristic for Rin, or any magician really, to accept that the condition just 'cleared up' and not examine it further, to ensure the recovery is complete and with no risk of relapse. And as a delayed effect of a momentary application of Satsuki's power? When Sakura spent the night with Rin and the last Servant in the war to still be unnamed, who is notable for being very reticent and secretive?
[X] See if you can discreetly inquire and prod at this cover story. No doubt they, or at least Archer, are prepared to deflect suspicion and shut down uncomfortable avenues of conversation. But it's worth an attempt, and to signal your own thoughts to Ilya.
- [X] If discreet proding of this story can't be managed, resolve to bring it up to Ilya and Deis later and politely converse with everyone.
 
[X] It's uncharacteristic for Rin, or any magician really, to accept that the condition just 'cleared up' and not examine it further, to ensure the recovery is complete and with no risk of relapse. And as a delayed effect of a momentary application of Satsuki's power? When Sakura spent the night with Rin and the last Servant in the war to still be unnamed, who is notable for being very reticent and secretive?
[X] See if you can discreetly inquire and prod at this cover story. No doubt they, or at least Archer, are prepared to deflect suspicion and shut down uncomfortable avenues of conversation. But it's worth an attempt, and to signal your own thoughts to Ilya.
- [X] If discreet proding of this story can't be managed, resolve to bring it up to Ilya and Deis later and politely converse with everyone.
 
Pre-emptive not-locking of votes:
[X] Ask Matou about Angra Mainyu.
2

[X] Discuss destroying the Grail.
1

[X] Polite chat.
3

[X] It's uncharacteristic for Rin, or any magician really, to accept that the condition just 'cleared up' and not examine it further, to ensure the recovery is complete and with no risk of relapse. And as a delayed effect of a momentary application of Satsuki's power? When Sakura spent the night with Rin and the last Servant in the war to still be unnamed, who is notable for being very reticent and secretive?
[X] See if you can discreetly inquire and prod at this cover story. No doubt they, or at least Archer, are prepared to deflect suspicion and shut down uncomfortable avenues of conversation. But it's worth an attempt, and to signal your own thoughts to Ilya.
-[X] If discreet proding of this story can't be managed, resolve to bring it up to Ilya and Deis later and politely converse with everyone.
3
There is a tie. In all likelihood, I won't close voting until sometime in the late afternoon.
 
Something to note, but is there proof in all this? I mean, I kinda remember the 'this Remilia is an illusion' thing from before. Not saying it's not possible, but because they can doesn't mean they did.
 
[X] It's uncharacteristic for Rin, or any magician really, to accept that the condition just 'cleared up' and not examine it further, to ensure the recovery is complete and with no risk of relapse. And as a delayed effect of a momentary application of Satsuki's power? When Sakura spent the night with Rin and the last Servant in the war to still be unnamed, who is notable for being very reticent and secretive?
[X] See if you can discreetly inquire and prod at this cover story. No doubt they, or at least Archer, are prepared to deflect suspicion and shut down uncomfortable avenues of conversation. But it's worth an attempt, and to signal your own thoughts to Ilya.
- [X] If discreet proding of this story can't be managed, resolve to bring it up to Ilya and Deis later and politely converse with everyone.
 
Something to note, but is there proof in all this? I mean, I kinda remember the 'this Remilia is an illusion' thing from before. Not saying it's not possible, but because they can doesn't mean they did.
That's a good point that maybe Sakura is still dark, but she seems mostly sane right now. That's either an especially good act or...actually I don't know why Rin and Archer would disguise a still insane sister like this.

Worth considering.
 
[X] It's uncharacteristic for Rin, or any magician really, to accept that the condition just 'cleared up' and not examine it further, to ensure the recovery is complete and with no risk of relapse. And as a delayed effect of a momentary application of Satsuki's power? When Sakura spent the night with Rin and the last Servant in the war to still be unnamed, who is notable for being very reticent and secretive?
[X] See if you can discreetly inquire and prod at this cover story. No doubt they, or at least Archer, are prepared to deflect suspicion and shut down uncomfortable avenues of conversation. But it's worth an attempt, and to signal your own thoughts to Ilya.
- [X] If discreet proding of this story can't be managed, resolve to bring it up to Ilya and Deis later and politely converse with everyone.
 
That's a good point that maybe Sakura is still dark, but she seems mostly sane right now. That's either an especially good act or...actually I don't know why Rin and Archer would disguise a still insane sister like this.

Worth considering.
Or maybe it actually worked.

At any rate, this is not a matter that deserves that much attention to it. It's not like Flandre cared that much about Sakura, mostly Rin and Archer, right? Is there a reason to obsess over the 'how'?
 
Flan mostly just tunes out when it comes to magic bullshit. Her relationship with fancy magic is down to either exploding it or being friends with a user of it.
 
[X] It's uncharacteristic for Rin, or any magician really, to accept that the condition just 'cleared up' and not examine it further, to ensure the recovery is complete and with no risk of relapse. And as a delayed effect of a momentary application of Satsuki's power? When Sakura spent the night with Rin and the last Servant in the war to still be unnamed, who is notable for being very reticent and secretive?
[X] See if you can discreetly inquire and prod at this cover story. No doubt they, or at least Archer, are prepared to deflect suspicion and shut down uncomfortable avenues of conversation. But it's worth an attempt, and to signal your own thoughts to Ilya.
- [X] If discreet proding of this story can't be managed, resolve to bring it up to Ilya and Deis later and politely converse with everyone.
 
And if I don't do this now, while I (hopefully) have the time, I probably won't get around to it until midnight or tomorrow, so votes are locked.
[X] Ask Matou about Angra Mainyu.
2

[X] Discuss destroying the Grail.
1

[X] Polite chat.
4

[X] It's uncharacteristic for Rin, or any magician really, to accept that the condition just 'cleared up' and not examine it further, to ensure the recovery is complete and with no risk of relapse. And as a delayed effect of a momentary application of Satsuki's power? When Sakura spent the night with Rin and the last Servant in the war to still be unnamed, who is notable for being very reticent and secretive?
[X] See if you can discreetly inquire and prod at this cover story. No doubt they, or at least Archer, are prepared to deflect suspicion and shut down uncomfortable avenues of conversation. But it's worth an attempt, and to signal your own thoughts to Ilya.
-[X] If discreet proding of this story can't be managed, resolve to bring it up to Ilya and Deis later and politely converse with everyone.
6
 
Does Archer have a reason to betray Flandre if she's not planning on murdering Rin?
 
Breakfast
[X] It's uncharacteristic for Rin, or any magician really, to accept that the condition just 'cleared up' and not examine it further, to ensure the recovery is complete and with no risk of relapse. And as a delayed effect of a momentary application of Satsuki's power? When Sakura spent the night with Rin and the last Servant in the war to still be unnamed, who is notable for being very reticent and secretive?
[X] See if you can discreetly inquire and prod at this cover story. No doubt they, or at least Archer, are prepared to deflect suspicion and shut down uncomfortable avenues of conversation. But it's worth an attempt, and to signal your own thoughts to Ilya.
-[X] If discreet proding of this story can't be managed, resolve to bring it up to Ilya and Deis later and politely converse with everyone.


You look back up at the Matou girl, suspicions running through your mind. Even a mage like Tohsaka wouldn't simply accept such a complete alteration without studying the subject in detail to make sure a relapse wasn't possible and that the 'recovery' was complete. She may simply be glossing over it as not suitable for breakfast talk - she didn't say she didn't give her an examination, after all - but she was sequestered throughout the night with the Matou girl and her mysterious Servant. The same Servant who is not particularly trustworthy and who actually has information regarding the shadow-thing and its ilk. Is she really stupid enough to think you aren't thinking she knows more about the disappearance of Angra Mainyu's taint than she's letting on?

"It's really gone from her, then?" The Matou girl looks at you and hunches her shoulders defensively. Tohsaka sighs and shakes her head before putting one hand on her sister's shoulder protectively.

"Well, I thought mealtimes were supposed to be conflict-free, but I guess that rule only applies when she wants it to. Sorry, Sakura." The other girl shakes her head mutely and Tohsaka glowers at you. "Servants can sense the Shadow - Illyasviel can back me up on this. Or would you prefer a blood sample?" Suppressing a scowl of your own, you shake your head and hold up your hands placatingly. Before you can defend yourself, however, the Matou girl clears her throat.

"Um … I know it seems weird, but, um … well, when - that - happened last night, the Shadow tried fighting it. That hurt and weakened it, and - and when I realized that Tohsaka-senpai was trying to help me, I was able to push it out. But if it hadn't been weakened, I wouldn't have been able to do anything, so -" Face red, she stands up from her chair and then bows toward Satsuki. "Um, thank you!" Satsuki's face reddens in embarrassment and she leans back, trying to hold her hands up protectively. Tohsaka nods, smiling.

"Yes, thank you." Satsuki's eyes flash nervously toward you as everyone else begins thanking her and you nod. She seems to relax, but it seems that such praise and gratitude is far from usual in her experience. The Matou girl sways a little as she straightens and moves to sit back down, but she waves off her sister's attempt at assistance. Her story certainly makes sense, and it would explain both the delayed reaction to Satsuki's ability and why the result was so pronounced despite the brief amount of time Satsuki was able to maintain it - without the connection back to the Grail, the shadow-thing couldn't overwhelm Satsuki's ability and the girl's true self was able to drive it out. And considering the look of surprise on Tohsaka's face when her sister was telling the story, it's likely that she didn't know about it, either. And if she starts to relapse, you can have Satsuki stay near her!

Tohsaka glances warily at you as you start getting food for Ilya and yourself, but you maintain your passivity as you wait for the atmosphere to drain a little. Ilya doesn't seem to care, though. "So, Sakura, will you stay with Rin after this? Or will you have your home repaired and stay there?" The Matou girl stares at Ilya, seemingly terrified of something, and Tohsaka comes to the rescue, putting her hand on her arm again to reassure her.

"It's been a cr- interesting few days, Illyasviel. I don't think any of us have really put any thought into the future." Ilya nods and returns to her vegetable-heavy meal, only to look up worriedly as you shiver in pleasure as you bite into a garlic-heavy piece of chicken. Tohsaka stares at you for a moment, too, then looks disgusted as you take two more of that kind of chicken. You really shouldn't, but …. "You like garlic?" You beam across the table.

"Of course! It's delicious and wonderful!" She sighs dejectedly and your glee and victory override your earlier defeat. You'll have to ask Meiling how much garlic is used in Chinese dishes; it won't matter much by then, of course, but it'll be good to know if she put it out in an attempt at poisoning you or if it's actually supposed to be there. "So, do you do anything for fun?" The Matou girl stiffens, surprised and nervous about being spoken to. "I mean, activities you do for fun, or because you like doing them." She opens her mouth but nervousness prevents her from speaking.

"She cooks, too, and she's in the archery club." You raise your eyebrows and grin.

"Oh, another cook! Maybe we should all get together and have a great cooking contest." Tohsaka's expression makes you giggle.

"I don't think we have enough space for everyone to cook fairly, Flan. And I think you all have different specialties, so whoever is judging would have to take into account the origins of whatever's being made." You pout at her and she sniffs and looks away. You stick your tongue out briefly.

"Fine, fine, no cooking contest. Hmm …. Oh, right. You haven't called Emiya yet, have you?" The Matou girl stiffens again. "He's probably very worried about you, so you should let him know you're okay." Tohsaka's mouth twists unhappily as her sister stares down at her plate.


What do you do?

[ ] Let everyone relax.

[ ] Discuss destroying the Grail.

[ ] Ask the Matou girl about Angra Mainyu.

[ ] Other?


DM Note: These are for after breakfast, which has not yet concluded; unfortunately, I have gotten around twenty words written in the past half-hour, and it's self-reinforcing at this point. :/
 
[X] Ask the Matou girl about Angra Mainyu.

I don't know why Flandre would bother destroying the Grail. She could just leave if she doesn't plan on trying to use the third magic to fix Ilya,
 
[X] Let everyone relax.

[X] Ask the Matou girl about Angra Mainyu.

I don't know why Flandre would bother destroying the Grail. She could just leave if she doesn't plan on trying to use the third magic to fix Ilya,

Eh, right now giving Sakura some space is probably best. If memory serves it pretty much took one hateful thought by the end to cause the contract with AM to form. Shinji's death was more the catalyst for that thought.



On the note for Sakura getting better....honestly, I'm confused now. @Entropy Judge has had a very impressive recall on the details of canon, but one of the reasons saving Sakura from AM is such a longshot of tremendous proportions is how simple it is to lapse, so if you break the contract while Sakura is still charged up on Haterade, too bad, Sakura and AM reform it.

Even if Sakura wants out of the contract, AM still acts through her and throws an unholy shitfit, as in the end of HF. And since AM has effectively unlimited power to throw at Sakura limited only by how much she can handle, once Satsuki's effect ended AM ought to have been throwing its full might at Sakura again, putting us back at square one.

And at this point from Sakura's reaction it seems fairly clear that the contract was still there when she woke up. I don't recall any precedent for being able to throw off AM possession with sheer willpower either, save for Gilgamesh who doesn't count.

...Yeah, while Flan has no reason not to believe that explaination, I honestly don't see how AM lost this fight. Satsuki drains fast but there is a truly preposterous amount of power in the Greater Grail. Even if it tries fighting Satsuki at worst it's losing about as much power as it can pour through Sakura at any given time, which while very impressive is still drops in a bucket compared to what it has.

Well, guess we let it lie for now.
 
Relapse shmelapse. Let's kick Angra in the butt and get that wish!

I mean if we can't get a wish out of it then do we really care what happens? Flandre can just move to a different city if it starts going wild and let EMIYA's teammates take care of things in the city (presumably by blowing it up).

[X] Let everyone relax.

On the other hand, I don't think we're actually under a time constraint so we can have a meal in peace I suppose.
 
[X] Let everyone relax.



Eh, right now giving Sakura some space is probably best. If memory serves it pretty much took one hateful thought by the end to cause the contract with AM to form. Shinji's death was more the catalyst for that thought.



On the note for Sakura getting better....honestly, I'm confused now. @Entropy Judge has had a very impressive recall on the details of canon, but one of the reasons saving Sakura from AM is such a longshot of tremendous proportions is how simple it is to lapse, so if you break the contract while Sakura is still charged up on Haterade, too bad, Sakura and AM reform it.

Even if Sakura wants out of the contract, AM still acts through her and throws an unholy shitfit, as in the end of HF. And since AM has effectively unlimited power to throw at Sakura limited only by how much she can handle, once Satsuki's effect ended AM ought to have been throwing its full might at Sakura again, putting us back at square one.

And at this point from Sakura's reaction it seems fairly clear that the contract was still there when she woke up. I don't recall any precedent for being able to throw off AM possession with sheer willpower either, save for Gilgamesh who doesn't count.

...Yeah, while Flan has no reason not to believe that explaination, I honestly don't see how AM lost this fight. Satsuki drains fast but there is a truly preposterous amount of power in the Greater Grail. Even if it tries fighting Satsuki at worst it's losing about as much power as it can pour through Sakura at any given time, which while very impressive is still drops in a bucket compared to what it has.

Well, guess we let it lie for now.
I have a theory that Archer stabbed Sakura in the back a little with Rule Breaker while she was attempting to throw off Angra Mainyu, she didn't notice, and she rationalized away her victory.

Rin knowing what really happened would just increase her look of surprise at Sakura's side of things.
 
Well, if Sakura isn't feeling like shit, her affinity with Angra Mainyu will be crap at least.

Also I'm pretty sure Rin tried to poison us, considering that even Arcruied would get severe indigestion from small amounts of garlic.
*Flan eats a clove slowly*

I enjoy watching her flail about
 
I don't know why Flandre would bother destroying the Grail. She could just leave if she doesn't plan on trying to use the third magic to fix Ilya,

I mean if we can't get a wish out of it then do we really care what happens?
Ilya and Shirou are the considerations. Ilya may not come with Flan, in which case Flan needs to ensure her safety because she's a friend. Shirou wouldn't come with her bar force, and Ilya is fond of him, so keeping him alive is a motivation as well.

I enjoy watching her flail about
"Okay, so what do we know about her vulnerabilities? She's not bothered by the sun, crosses don't phase her, she survived Gae Bolg so I doubt a stake through the heart is going to do anything, she went out in the rain long enough to fight Saber ... hm, how about garlic?" :p


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