Hmm, Headless may have acted rashly, without informing Flan, but she did act with good intentions, and punishing her further for that sounds needlessly cruel.

[X] Help Headless recover; she may not have done right, but she meant well.

Confronting Caster gains us nothing but a potential enemy, and she would know that we know what she did.

[X] Don't bring up Headless's reason to Caster.
-[X] Go see Illyasviel and Berserker.
--[X] Bring Deis along; you said you would after all.
Or shes lying. We kinda need to vet this story. And it still doesnt change the fact that rather than just tell us about this stuff afterwards, she tried to cover it up. If there was legitimate reason for suspicion, there should have been no need to try to hide everything from us. That smells DAMN fishy.

[X] Confine Headless as best as you can; it doesn't matter what she meant to accomplish, she still made you violate hospitality.
[X] Don't bring up Headless's reason to Caster.
-[X] Go see Illyasviel and Berserker.
--[X] Bring Deis along; you said you would, after all.
 
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[X] Confine Headless as best as you can; it doesn't matter what she meant to accomplish, she still made you violate hospitality.
[X] Don't bring up Headless's reason to Caster.
-[X] Go see Illyasviel and Berserker.
--[X] Bring Deis along; you said you would, after all.
 
Or shes lying. We kinda need to vet this story. And it still doesnt change the fact that rather than just tell us about this stuff afterwards, she tried to cover it up. If there was legitimate reason for suspicion, there should have been no need to try to hide everything from us. That smells DAMN fishy.

[X] Confine Headless as best as you can; it doesn't matter what she meant to accomplish, she still made you violate hospitality.
[X] Don't bring up Headless's reason to Caster.
-[X] Go see Illyasviel and Berserker.
--[X] Bring Deis along; you said you would, after all.

On the other hand, Headless is apparently able to keep an eye on Caster and may be able to work against those hooks. I can sorta see how these were in our interests, or at least keep Flan happier, but....yeah, still kind of a clusterfuck.
 
On the other hand, Headless is apparently able to keep an eye on Caster and may be able to work against those hooks. I can sorta see how these were in our interests, or at least keep Flan happier, but....yeah, still kind of a clusterfuck.

Thats the point, if it were strictly in our interest, there'd be no need to hide it. The fact that she did, then tried to keep it hidden, puts her story into serious question.
 
[X] Confine Headless as best as you can; it doesn't matter what she meant to accomplish, she still made you violate hospitality.
[X] Don't bring up Headless's reason to Caster.
-[X] Go see Illyasviel and Berserker.
--[X] Bring Deis along; you said you would, after all.
 
Thats the point, if it were strictly in our interest, there'd be no need to hide it. The fact that she did, then tried to keep it hidden, puts her story into serious question.

Eh. It could be because she knew we may not agree with attacking but didn't want to us to lock her up later. Headless does seem like she's still on Flan's side, she just knows Flan may not agree on some things.
 
Eh. It could be because she knew we may not agree with attacking but didn't want to us to lock her up later. Headless does seem like she's still on Flan's side, she just knows Flan may not agree on some things.

That doesn't seem like a problem to you? If we disagree with something, there's a reason for it. Circumventing us and then sabotaging our efforts to discover it, as well as hiding the information about what Caster did? That's something that needs to be stopped sooner, not later.

No, really. If she attacked Caster because she was suspicious of her, it is actively against that interest to hide the details from us. The story doesn't add up.
 
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That doesn't seem like a problem to you?

Not in principle; we don't need to be told everything if our help can act competently in our interests, and they don't need to run everything by us. Taking initiative is still important. Headless screwed up but so far I do believe she still has our interests at heart.


No, really. If she attacked Caster because she was suspicious of her, it is actively against that interest to hide the details from us. The story doesn't add up.

She seems to have assumed it was possibly beneficial up until she heard what Caster did to her old Master, and at that point Headless didn't have time to talk to us about what she did and why she was doing it. By the end of it all, it was done, Headless was arguably in a better position to help us while we didn't know, and Flan was happier not knowing.

I'm still uncertain how to deal with Headless' actions, but so far I think she's more useful to us healed than crippled or confined. Without her, we wouldn't know about Caster's actions at all. So I'm still counting Headless as a net positive.

I had some concerns maybe Caster put hooks in Headless as well and that's why Headless didn't say anything directly, because she couldn't, but....Deis already examined Headless. Either there was nothing to find, Deis couldn't find it, or Deis is compromised too. In either of the last cases we're already ultra-fucked, so for now I have to assume that there is nothing.
 
Not in principle; we don't need to be told everything if our help can act competently in our interests, and they don't need to run everything by us. Taking initiative is still important. Headless screwed up but so far I do believe she still has our interests at heart.




She seems to have assumed it was possibly beneficial up until she heard what Caster did to her old Master, and at that point Headless didn't have time to talk to us about what she did and why she was doing it. By the end of it all, it was done, Headless was arguably in a better position to help us while we didn't know, and Flan was happier not knowing.

I'm still uncertain how to deal with Headless' actions, but so far I think she's more useful to us healed than crippled or confined. Without her, we wouldn't know about Caster's actions at all. So I'm still counting Headless as a net positive.

I had some concerns maybe Caster put hooks in Headless as well and that's why Headless didn't say anything directly, because she couldn't, but....Deis already examined Headless. Either there was nothing to find, Deis couldn't find it, or Deis is compromised too. In either of the last cases we're already ultra-fucked, so for now I have to assume that there is nothing.

By not telling us, we are incapable of knowing that we should be suspecting caster in the first place.

Additionally, the only proof we have that Caster even did anything untoward is Headless word, since she said nothing at a pertinent moment AND destroyed all evidence of it.

Actually, I guess that means we have no proof at all that she didn't make aaaall of that up to cover her actions, since we already know that she can and will falsify evidence and lie. Soooo...on what basis should we be trusting her right now?
 
By not telling us, we are incapable of knowing that we should be suspecting caster in the first place.

We also woke up and went right to work with Caster, so there wasn't exactly a good time for Flan to hear it and work through this issue. Flan is not a good enough liar to hide this kind of stuff from Caster, especially not when Caster's in our head.

Additionally, the only proof we have that Caster even did anything untoward is Headless word, since she said nothing at a pertinent moment AND destroyed all evidence of it.

Also when Deis gave Headless and Giltless a check-over recently. That's what I was talking about earlier; Deis gave them a clean bill of health.

For that matter Deis gave us a clean bill of health, so....we better follow up with her on this.

Actually, I guess that means we have no proof at all that she didn't make aaaall of that up to cover her actions, since we already know that she can and will falsify evidence and lie. Soooo...on what basis should we be trusting her right now?

For Flan? Several centuries of companionship. You don't break all ties with a good friend over one incident, even like this.
 
We also woke up and went right to work with Caster, so there wasn't exactly a good time for Flan to hear it and work through this issue. Flan is not a good enough liar to hide this kind of stuff from Caster, especially not when Caster's in our head.

Thats ridiculous and you know it. She's literally a voice in our head, there are countless moments in any given post where something can be interjected at a moments notice.

I want you to try to follow that logic. "Hey, you know that Mage you're working with and making plans with that could leave you vulnerable to being stabbed in the back?" "Yeah, what about it?" "I'm going to NOT tell you that I've discovered that she is, in fact, doing things behind your back TO YOU that may be detrimental. That way if she means you harm, then when she backstabs you, it'll totally blindside you!" "Headless, that may be the stupidest fucking rationale I've ever heard. Like ever."

Also when Deis gave Headless and Giltless a check-over recently. That's what I was talking about earlier; Deis gave them a clean bill of health.

For that matter Deis gave us a clean bill of health, so....we better follow up with her on this.

Soooo...by Deis admission, Headless is normal, Giltless is normal, and Flandre was...normal. Which flies completely in the face of Headless' story.

For Flan? Several centuries of companionship. You don't break all ties with a good friend over one incident, even like this.

All she does is urge Flandre to kill shit. She's demonstrably selfish and focused on her own interests of...killing shit.
 
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Thats ridiculous and you know it. She's literally a voice in our head, there are countless moments in any given post where something can be interjected at a moments notice.

I want you to try to follow that logic. "Hey, you know that Mage you're working with and making plans with that could leave you vulnerable to being stabbed in the back?" "Yeah, what about it?" "I'm going to NOT tell you that I've discovered that she is, in fact, doing things behind your back TO YOU that may be detrimental. That way if she means you harm, then when she backstabs you, it'll totally blindside you!" "Headless, that may be the stupidest fucking rationale I've ever heard. Like ever."

I don't you've thought that through. Let me put it another way.

Flan has a shitty poker face. If Headless tells Flan this kind of stuff right in front of Caster, Flan is near certain to give away the game. Which sets Caster on guard.

It's perfectly plausible that Headless was waiting for a better time to go over everything than a hurried conversation right in front of Caster. Or Headless is much more meta than we've given her credit for, knows Flan's sincerity is one of the best approaches to dealing with Caster and was trying to preserve that.

Soooo...by Deis admission, Headless is normal, Giltless is normal, and Flandre was...normal. Which flies completely in the face of Headless' story.

No, it means Deis either thought there was nothing wrong or didn't inform us. Which is a different concern.

All she does is urge Flandre to kill shit. She's demonstrably selfish and focused on her own interests of...killing shit.

And yet, Flan treats her as a valued companion. Just read the last update.

No it doesn't, Headless had by that time removed casters 'hooks'.

Did Headless say she removed the hooks? If so, I'm voting to fix Headless, we need someone who can do that.
 
I don't you've thought that through. Let me put it another way.

Flan has a shitty poker face. If Headless tells Flan this kind of stuff right in front of Caster, Flan is near certain to give away the game. Which sets Caster on guard.

It's perfectly plausible that Headless was waiting for a better time to go over everything than a hurried conversation right in front of Caster. Or Headless is much more meta than we've given her credit for, knows Flan's sincerity is one of the best approaches to dealing with Caster and was trying to preserve that.

You are straight up making up some sort of "rush" when there was, in fact, none.

Off the top of my head, in the time between when Headless fucked Caster's day and when we found out about the whole thing, we had downtimes for travel when we:

Went to Shirous house
Went and found and changed INTO NEW CLOTHES before going to Shirou's House
Flew from Shirou's house to the Ryuudou Temple

These are all interim times spent doing nothing of value or requiring focus or maintaining a "poker face" that we could have been briefed on this critical information.

No, it means Deis either thought there was nothing wrong or didn't inform us. Which is a different concern.

So either Headless is lying (again), or both Deis and Caster are lying.

The default response to this should not be "believe Headless unconditionally."

And yet, Flan treats her as a valued companion. Just read the last update.

Or the one before that where she mangled Headless? What is your point?
 
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[X] Confine Headless as best as you can; it doesn't matter what she meant to accomplish, she still made you violate hospitality.
[X] Don't bring up Headless's reason to Caster.
-[X] Go see Illyasviel and Berserker.
--[X] Bring Deis along; you said you would, after all.
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[X] Confine Headless as best as you can; it doesn't matter what she meant to accomplish, she still made you violate hospitality.
[X] Talk to Deis about it, see if she thniks you should confront Caster.
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[X] Help Headless recover; she may not have done right, but she meant well.
[X] Don't bring up Headless's reason to Caster.
-[X] Go see Illyasviel and Berserker.
--[X] Bring Deis along; you said you would after all.
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[X] Help Headless recover; she may not have done right, but she meant well.
[X] Confront Caster about it.
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[X] Help Headless recover; she may not have done right, but she meant well.
[X] Don't bring up Headless's reason to Caster.
-[X] Go see Illyasviel and Berserker.
--[X] Bring Deis along; you said you would after all.
 
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[X] Confine Headless as best as you can; it doesn't matter what she meant to accomplish, she still made you violate hospitality.
[X] Don't bring up Headless's reason to Caster.
-[X] Go see Illyasviel and Berserker.
--[X] Bring Deis along; you said you would, after all.
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[X] Confine Headless as best as you can; it doesn't matter what she meant to accomplish, she still made you violate hospitality.
[X] Talk to Deis about it, see if she thniks you should confront Caster.
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[X] Help Headless recover; she may not have done right, but she meant well.
[X] Don't bring up Headless's reason to Caster.
-[X] Go see Illyasviel and Berserker.
--[X] Bring Deis along; you said you would after all.
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[X] Help Headless recover; she may not have done right, but she meant well.
[X] Confront Caster about it.
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Healing Headless and Investigating Illyasviel
[X] Help Headless recover; she may not have done right, but she meant well.
[X] Don't bring up Headless's reason to Caster.
-[X] Go see Illyasviel and Berserker.
--[X] Bring Deis along; you said you would after all.


Slowly, you loosen your hands and lower them from your head. You breathe heavily as your teeth unclench and the whimpers die, and you finally open your eyes and look down at Headless's mutilated body. She's staring up at you, worry or concern plain on her face, and you lean down to pick her up. Her one arm wraps around you awkwardly as you hug her tightly, her head resting on your shoulder. She's hurt, but she isn't dead, so all she needs is power to fuel her recovery. She gasps and her hand tightens against your back as you push power into her, and you stop, afraid of hurting her.

"Not … not so much, please." A trickle of power flows from you to her, and you carry her from the empty hall to her suite. By the time you reach it, her torso is recovered, as are her wings, but her arm hasn't recovered its elbow. You push open the door with a wing and look around for Giltless, but you don't see her. Is she still recovering from Deis's examination, or did Headless tell her to stay back? You set Headless on one of the soft divans and take a seat on a chair. "Thank you, Flan," she says quietly. You shake your head.

"Never again. Promise me that you won't ever do this to me again, Headless." She sighs and you stiffen.

"I … I …." You grab a nearby pillow and knead it between your hands.

"Headless, I let Caster into my head. I told her she would be fine. And then you …." Frustrated, you tear the pillow apart. Headless frowns at you.

"Giltless made that," she says accusingly, and you hurl the savaged cushion across the room. Headless raises an arm placatingly, then lets it fall as she realizes the futility of the gesture. "Flan, I get where you're coming from, I really do. But frankly, I think sometimes you make … poor decisions. Sometimes we just flat-out disagree about things. And maybe we'll meet someone who can control you without affecting me, or Giltless, and then we'd have to break that promise if we were going to help you. Hell, remember that Mephala that you let in?" You scowl at her for the reminder – regardless of what Remilia said, you still want to make her pay. "And I know how much a promise means to you, so I don't want to make a promise I don't think I'll be able to keep. I can try, and I can do my best to make sure you know if I'm doing something subtle like that, but I won't promise what you want me to." You stare at her for a long moment, fingers twisting into claws, and then you just stand up and walk out on her. Maybe you could come up with something that will satisfy both of you, but not right now, not in your condition. Headless starts to get up to follow you, but you slam the door behind you, splintering the thick oak door, and no one follows as you make your way to the tower. It's not your suite, it's not comfortable, it's even a little unfamiliar … but right now, it feels safe, and it's a place of solitude.

Neither Headless nor Giltless interrupt you as you cry yourself to sleep.


An increasing pressure on your shoulder wakes you from your sleep, and you spin away as you leap to your feet. Your scything claws don't hit anything, but you see recognize Ershin and Deis waiting inside the door and relax.

"You okay?" You give Deis a suspicious look and she brushes at her cheek below an eye. You rub your own face and scowl as you feel the dampness; it grows even fiercer when you look down where your head had lain. A shuddering breath later to calm yourself, and you're able to give Deis an obviously fake smile.

"I'm fine, thank you. I'm going to change, so would you mind giving me some privacy?" Deis gives you a concerned look but nods, dissipating as Ershin turns leave the room. You simply rip off the sundress you'd been wearing before carefully take out your clothes, the ones Remilia enchanted. An examination reveals that while they aren't damaged anymore, they're still quite thin; simple movement and flight shouldn't be a problem, but they'll tear quite easily if you have to exert yourself at all. What's important, however, is that they're undamaged, and they're comforting. Every little bit helps right now, and you feel more relaxed when you're finally properly dressed. Now you can walk around without feeling tense. You glance out the window; the sun is going down, but it's not full night yet. Where you're going, that won't matter. You check yourself one more time to make sure everything is as it should be, then leave the room to find Caster and Deis. They're in the dining room, of course, and they both watch you as walk up to the table but don't sit down. "Berserker is still the priority, right?" Caster nods slowly.

"Yes. He is the most dangerous Servant, partly because of his own abilities, partly because of the strength of his Master. Did you have a plan to deal with him?" You relax, relieved that she isn't going to question you about Headless – at least, not immediately – and nod, smiling lightly.

"I have an idea on how to more precisely identify his capabilities. I thought I'd just ask Illyasviel." Caster blinks, unable to respond, and Deis puts her head in her hands, although you think you saw her smile before her face disappeared. "I think she might actually tell me, especially if I'm upfront about why I want to know." Not that that's why you're going to see her, of course, but there's no reason you can't do that as well. Caster shakes herself and looks thoughtfully at a few of the tracings of magic that are on the table. She quickly frowns and shakes her head.

"It would be too dangerous, I think. The Einzbern Master is unpredictable, and you would be going to her domain, where any assistance I could give you would be delayed and weakened, at best. You should stay and rest some more." It might be wiser to stay and rest, but you shake your head.

"Thank you for worrying about me, but I'll be fine. I'll take Deis with me, though, so if Illyasviel does decide to fight, I won't be alone. We should be back fairly early, and you and Assassin can hold off Archer, Saber, or Lancer until then. Rider shouldn't attack – her Master is still in the hospital." Caster sighs and looks you over before nodding, defeated. She even smiles.

"Very well, Flandre. Do take care of yourself." You curtsy and look expectantly at Deis. She sighs and shakes her head.

"I guess we'll finish talking later, then? I think Flan's kind of impatient to leave." They smile at each other – some private joke, perhaps – and Ershin moves to follow you as you walk away.

"What were they talking about, anyway?" You're still on the temple grounds, making sure no one is around before you lift Ershin and fly toward Illyasviel's castle.

"Deis and Caster were discussing magic and the focusing capability necessary to penetrate the defenses of Servants with high magic resistance, such as Saber and Rider. They did not have much success." You snort – short of an actual example to practice on, 'not much success' is about the best they could hope for. Well, as long as it wasn't anything important …. Ershin is characteristically silent on the flight, and you wonder what Deis will do with it when she gets a body of her own. If she doesn't want it, maybe you can persuade your sister to take him on? It could substitute for Meiling when she has other duties, or assist her if she needs it. Well, that's if it wants to stay with you instead of Deis. When you reach the castle, however, you frown – not only does it look like there's damage to it, you can see two figures in white sitting on the stairs leading to the door. Sella and Leysritt jump to their feet, acting as though they had always been that way when they notice you, but you're too close for it to have been an effective ruse. Sella glowers at you, but then, she always does.

"If you wish to meet with Lady Illyasviel, I must inform you that now is not a good ti-" She's cut off by a familiar howl and the sound of something being smashed inside. Sella winces, probably imagining whatever was broken, focuses on you. "We will not attempt to bar your entry, but neither will we assist you." You look at her, then bark a short laugh.

"If you aren't careful, Sella, I might start to think you like me and don't want me to get hurt." Her glower returns and you look back at Ershin. "You stay out here for now, okay? I'll be fine." Without waiting for a response you walk briskly past the servants and open the door. It's dark inside, of course, but that's no problem for you, and you make your way deeper into the castle, following the occasional roar or crash. You shake your head – you might be able to get Deis to fix up some of the damage, but it just won't be the same. You aren't particularly surprised to find Illyasviel first, although you are quite surprised by her almost haggard appearance. Her fine hair is messed, she's dusty and dirty, and when she turns toward you after you clear your throat, you can see shallow scratches on her face. "Illyasviel?"

"… Flandre?" She takes a moment to place you, and Berserker bursts through a wall, stone weapon raised to strike at you. "No! Stop!" The weapon redirects up into the ceiling, showering you with dust, and Illyasviel shocks you by running up to her Servant and trying to attack him as he stands ready, battering him with her fists and kicking him. "Stupid, useless Berserker! I hate you! I hate you!" After several seconds of cursing and futile assault, she collapses against the giant's hip, sobbing uncontrollably. You walk up to them, still wary of Berserker, and brush your hand through Illyasviel's hair. Your clones step away from you and dart down the halls. You look up at Berserker.

"Unless you know where a decent bathing room is?" You lift Illyasviel's unresisting body and turn to follow the path one clone took – there's a nice bath on this floor, fortunately, and your clones streak back to rejoin you. Berserker follows you to the room, but you turn and waggle a finger at him when he starts to follow you in. "Sorry, only ladies beyond this point. You're just going to have to wait and trust me." Whether he understood you or Illyasviel gave some command, you don't know, but he remains outside as you clean up Illyasviel. You wash her hair and clean her face, singing quietly, and when you're finished you help her into the warm pool. She sits curled up in the water, silent and staring at nothing, and you hesitate. She seems to be fine physically, but she seems withdrawn. Not in shock, though … probably. Still, you aren't sure what to do from here – maybe it's something to do with being a homunculus?.


What do you do?

[ ] Talk to her privately.
- [ ] Ask what's wrong.
- [ ] Ask why she hates Berserker.

[ ] Wait for her to initiate conversation.

[ ] Get Sella and Leysritt before talking to Illyasviel.
- [ ] Ask what's wrong.
- [ ] Ask why she hates Berserker.
- [ ] Ask if she wants to meet Deis.

[ ] Get Sella and Leysritt, then wait for Illyasviel to see you.
- [ ] If she can't see you tonight, leave.
- - [ ] Go back to the temple.
- - [ ] Go after Saber.
- - [ ] Try to capture Tohsaka.
- [ ] If she can't see you tonight, talk to Sella.
- - About?

[ ] Get Sella and Leystritt, then apologize for interrupting and leave.
- [ ] Go back to the temple.
- [ ] Go after Saber.
- [ ] Try to capture Tohsaka.

[ ] Other?
 
[X] Talk to her privately.
-[X] Ask what's wrong.
-[X] Ask why she hates Berserker.
 
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