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He wouldn't. But I figure that a legendary magician and another who qualifies as a deity could figure it out.
Of course, we could just fuck off and tell Caster what we saw. That works too.
Flandre's Quest (Touhou) World - (Madness Quest)
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He wouldn't. But I figure that a legendary magician and another who qualifies as a deity could figure it out.
Of course, we could just fuck off and tell Caster what we saw. That works too.
Entropy Judge
Recurring Bouts of Misanthropy
Visibly or Invisibly?
Shirou?
I considered saying something about Creepy Old Man's goodwill for helping him out, but I didn't even get to typing it before I started laughing. Lending him a hand is more likely to keep him talking and relatively helpful ... but how much is that really worth?
HymnOfRagnarok
Let's Rock
That would mean taking it back to Caster, and thus telling Zouken, who just admitted to wanting her identity, that we're also allied with her. Zouken may have his worms kill themselves rather than give Caster a chance to look at them.
Probably not worth taking the penis worms even near her. It gives Zouken too much information. The only see I see him offering that's sorta worth it is how the worms work, in case it gives us clues as to what's going on with them, and even then...well Zouken's really not worth it I think.
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We don't necessarily need to take the worms back, just inform Caster of what we think they MIGHT be, or something of that sort. I'd recommend against bringing one home for that exact reason, myself.
HymnOfRagnarok
Let's Rock
Which would mean don't accept one, or find a 'safe' place to leave it.
More seriously, I don't think Caster will value us fibbing on Zouken nearly as much as she would us killing a Servant.
While Rider and Flan versus Archer is admittedly better odds than Flan versus either solo, Rider is still pathetically weak right now. She's not too much help. I think Archer casually cuts her down in the HF Route while she's like this, out of her temple.
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[X] Agree to help Rider and her Master.
- [X] Maintain invisibility, kill Rin.
- [X] Maintain invisibility, kill Rin.
[X] Agree to help Rider and her Master.
- [X] Maintain invisibility, kill Rin.
Because yes. Also because right now I see no reason not to. The benefits line up as well. It would weaken Archer to have his Prana battery cut off, breaking the alliance with Archer and Saber without Rin seems good too as there's no reason for Archer to join Shirou who can't provide him with Prana and there are multiple reasons not to stick with him (including wanting his head and being disgusted by his very core).
- [X] Maintain invisibility, kill Rin.
Because yes. Also because right now I see no reason not to. The benefits line up as well. It would weaken Archer to have his Prana battery cut off, breaking the alliance with Archer and Saber without Rin seems good too as there's no reason for Archer to join Shirou who can't provide him with Prana and there are multiple reasons not to stick with him (including wanting his head and being disgusted by his very core).
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In... Heaven's Feel? Rider is a major heroine in HF. Like, huuuuge.
Also, fuck it, we out.
[X] Don't help Rider and her Master.
- [X] Explore another Master's house.
--[X] Shirou's
HymnOfRagnarok
Let's Rock
Yup. Don't get me wrong, she survived, but if memory serves Archer or someone else cut her down with utter impunity, and it was so embarrassing Zouken torched Shinji's book and revoked his rights as a Master.
EDIT: My bad, it was Saber under Shirou that cut Rider down with utter impunity.
It totes happened though. Seriously it's kind of embarrassing for Rider.
EDITED EDIT: Granted part of that was Shinji giving Rider a really poorly thought order and him being high on arrogance, but considering his earlier thoughts on Tohsaka in this Quest he's probably gonna overplay himself again. And Rider will pay the price.
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[X] Don't help Rider and her Master.
- [X] Explore another Master's house.
--[X] Shirou's
Wanted to go meet Ilya, but I'm not sure Flan knows where she is. Shirou's good bait.
Don't really want to help Zouken. Doesn't seem a good trade.
- [X] Explore another Master's house.
--[X] Shirou's
Wanted to go meet Ilya, but I'm not sure Flan knows where she is. Shirou's good bait.
Don't really want to help Zouken. Doesn't seem a good trade.
SolipsistSerpent
Endlessly Devouring
[X] Don't help Rider and her Master.
- [X] Explore another Master's house.
--[X] Shirou's
- [X] Explore another Master's house.
--[X] Shirou's
Didn't Caster's husbando kill Rider in one of the routes? I mean, he had reinforcement magic from Caster but that's still pretty embarrassing.
HymnOfRagnarok
Let's Rock
That's how Rider got killed in UBW! I kept blanking on that. I knew Rider died so Shinji could run to the Church and get Gil, but couldn't remember how. Just that it was a footnote compared to the Fate route.
But yeah, Rider under Shinji this early in the War is weaksauce. Having to follow Shinji's orders makes it much worse.
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Hymn edited his comment to include a major difference in his information. Thought you might want to know, in case you decide to change your vote.
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Aw. A guy can dream. I want to cut off her head, so when she's brought back to consciousness, and can somehow speak, we can keep her in hammerspace, and pull her out when bored. She can be a mascot, while Flan makes terrible head puns. Like for Mami Tomoe, but more geared to Rin."Looks like you're the current head of your household!" *blows up her house* "Former and current head. You're a living oxymoron. Well, undead actually."
"You got in over your head."
"Time for training. I'm head coach of foot-headball. Or is that head football?" *begins kicking her head up the path* "There is this guy named Arnold that I think you'd like to meet. Some girl named Helga calls him footballhead."
"Hey Assassin! I'm giving you head. Don't be too rough with her. She's a screamer."
"Rin. Making any headway on your revenge?"
"If you enjoy yourself too much, are you a head-o-nist?"
"You're bleeding out your crack Rin. I think you have headdorhoids."
"Don't lose your head Rin. Oh wait, you can't."
"I hear that some people get intense pleasure from having their ears cleaned. So I brought you gifts. Bleach, and a flexible bottle brush."
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Umm? Sane? More reasonable?
We have tried diplomacy with only Caster and Zouken so far. She was by far the most unreasonable. Yes, we have asked a decent amount from Rin, but her counteroffer was blatantly unacceptable. She wanted to monopolize the dealing, and butted in, to not even allow Shirou to try his hand at negotiating. Rude. She could have offered advice, but she got way too greedy.
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HymnOfRagnarok
Let's Rock
It is from her perspective. And honestly, not too unreasonable from Shirou or Saber's perspective. From ours, Rin looks pretty stupid, but she doesn't know what she's dealing with.
Zouken doesn't ask for similar concessions because he just doesn't care. Rin does care about what happens to people, so she thinks about these things and how to prevent them.
Still debating the merits of trying to kill her now; we really do have to start at some point. But that conflicts with a general sentiment of 'Fuck Zouken.' Also, Archer would not be above spiting us, and stands decent odds of getting away afterwards. Astral form is bullshit, and might work rather well for assassinating Flan. Archer trailing us in astral and then popping up behind to shove Harpe in our back would be Not Good.
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Flan can fly. Can Archer Fly? If the answer is no, then how will he trail an invisible Flandre, who just killed his master, while he is fighting Rider? I think that Flan just needs to be sneaky, make the killing quick, but efficient, and not leave a trail. I hope you can point out a flaw if there are some, because I'd rather that does not happen either.
I'll suggest one possibility that could lead to a FUBAR situation. Bounded fields. They can be a magi's trip-alarms. If Tohsaka has portable ones, or just sets them up around the city beforehand, to give herself that edge, it's possible she's standing someplace where there are some. But, Flan can be quick, and if she stays invisible, it could fool Tohsaka. Because she probably wouldn't try to stand up to an assassin servant by herself, and would likely inform Archer through their link. I think that, flying in while invisible, and swooping like a bird of prey, might catch her off guard.
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[X] Agree to help Rider and her Master.
- [X] Maintain invisibility, kill Rin.
- [X] Maintain invisibility, kill Rin.
HymnOfRagnarok
Let's Rock
While materialized? No, I don't think so. In astral form?
He might actually. I'd have to check. Certainly he ain't moving around by physical force in that form, as a spirit he may not be bound to gravity.
And it's not like Flan stays in the air all the time. Archer, and every other Servant, is plenty fast on their own anyway.
You mean besides shooting her? Because Archer? It's right in his name?
Well, he can jump pretty good, if memory serves. Certainly Saber pretty much ran straight up a skyscraper while fighting Rider, and right now Archer has comparable Agility to Saber.
Also come to think of it, Rin still has two Command Seals, so she could get Archer to save her, or spite us with her last breath by commanding him to kill us. Which, considering his arsenal and Command Seal boosted actions, will probably be rather successful.
And Rider is total weaksauce right now; Flan and Rider could fight a Masterless Archer head on and I'd still put money on Archer at least killing Rider, if Flan doesn't make an effort to protect the enemy Servant.
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From the wiki:
Japanese Tengu were based off of Tiangou, or heavenly dog, from Chinese Myth. It can resemble a meteor, which is what I'm hoping Flandre would be for Rin.
I think Flandre has more than enough power to incapacitate Rin before she realizes what's up (up, ha a pun) Interestingly, the enemy of Tiangou was also an Archer. His name was Zhang Xian, and he uses his third-eye.
If Magi battle at higher levels are based off the concepts, then Archer shouldn't be able to stand up to a high-level youkai, without cheating. This youkai, a creature made from human belief, magic, and conflict Flandre Scarlet, is one of the strongest. It's a servant pretty much, made of actualized belief in legends. A Gensokyo vampire is has the conglomerate powers of these legends.
Zhang Xian had much divine blood, and was a mortal enemy of the nephew of a god on high-end Dragonball Z power levels. To add a perspective, the nephew beat Sun Wukong, but he was cheap. Sun was a monkey king, who clubbed ginormous demons, and gods alike, almost like Gilgamesh with Humbaba, but on a larger scale. Sun got his ass beat by a Buddha as big as the universe though.
Archer is a wannabe faker, while Shirou had outdone him. The difference is that while it takes Archer time and effort to even level a mountain by broken phantasms, the original legends created, and destroyed, in fractions of a moment. It took the concerted efforts of Shirou and Archer to kill Gilgamesh, who was really damn close to divine, and had one of the strongest legends. But was way overconfident, and wasn't being sneaky, to assassinate a prana battery. Flandre had some trouble with a heroic spirit of Hercules, but she was holding back. These servants are weak compared to their originals.
If Archer tries UBW, won't it just be a danmaku battle, but with swords?
Another wiki quote:
Flandre has the edge I think. Shirou's efficiency was near perfect, and utilized his reality marble well, despite being a hedge-magus. Archer appears to have deviated from the purity of his origin over time, and along his line of work. Without Rin, his time, and number of swords in UBW, is drastically reduced.
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