I'm not sure Flan would have been all that interested in saving her personally. She's not one for long thinking like that, save when she 'adopted' Lutecia for a while.
Remember, she still wants to collect servants and I think a princess would be quite prestigious, not including any other skills.
Also she could do it just to be 'nice' or complete the 'killing the monster and saving the princess' storyline.
She likes to have fun, so 'Story' games would probably interest her.
 
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Some things I think I need to say.
Because saving her wasn't on the table.
I know I wasn't interested because I didn't think she could be saved. Elina was pretty thoroughly fucked over, turned into an Endless complete with aura, and frankly the sword of god-killing seemed more merciful that getting annihilated from existence.
No one seemed interested because no one thought it was even remotely an option.
So, to start with: Yeah, I screwed up. I realized that saving her was a possibility (or at least trying was) when I was writing the update, shrugged and 'threw it in' without actually thinking about it. Flandre might only consider it a thought exercise, but my throwing it in right there is somewhere between 'Dick Move' and 'Slap in the Face,' and for that I apologize.

Now, that said, the idea of rescuing Elina in some fashion or another, I think, isn't particularly far-fetched, but it does seem strange to me that no one brought up anything apart from trying to vamp Elina - I mean, setting aside Touhou and all its shenanigans, you have PMMM (home of the Incubators and Wishes, either of which ought to be able to do something), Elder Scrolls (soul-stealing is a thing), and BoFIV itself (Deis demonstrates that souls are not bound to a body). I can understand why people wouldn't think about (ab)using the metaphysics of other universes to save her, especially with such a short time frame to work with, but ... I don't know. Also, regarding Flan not knowing how to make vampires: I mentioned it a while ago. (Not that I blame anyone for not remembering it, but it wasn't me just coming up with it to spoil the fun.)

'Lol, destruction is all Flandre cares about.'
Flandre's goal is not 'lol destruction.' To paraphrase a certain jackass - she needs worthy opponents. It's the fight she's interested in, and if it's a good fight, she doesn't really care if she wins or loses. She also does have other interests:
* She's an excellent pianist and a good violinist, although the latter is more Remilia's instrument.
* She likes playing games - tag, hide-and-seek, and the like.
* She's alright with puzzles, although they're more a way to pass the time.
* Like all good fantasy characters, she likes riddles.

Of course, some problems exist. She can't bring her piano with her, because they're much too large. Children aren't capable of really competing with Flan in most games, due to lack of experience and physical ability, and the adults who possess the magic to let them compete generally don't care enough. And riddles, unfortunately, rely on a relatable context: the "Thirty White Horses on a Red Hill" riddle wouldn't make any sense to a lamprey, for example.

And, of course, Flan has quite a temper - much like the Queen of Hearts, being frustrated or denied tends to make her want to rip someone's head off, and unlike that particular Queen, Flandre is more than willing to serve as her own executioner. When fighting, though, that's less of a problem, because generally you're already trying to kill each other. Body counts are great, but they're more a way to keep score than to show how much fun she's having.

It's the people who cared about Elina yet failed to come up with a reasonable way to save her who are at fault here, not the QM.
I would say that no one is 'at fault,' but if there is fault, I've certainly got my share of it. Certainly, the presentation of the statement is entirely on me, and if I'd waited a few days and said something like "Hey, what do you think an Incubator would do if it met Elina?" then people might have realized that she might have been savable and they wouldn't be - rightfully - irritated and upset. Granted, it can be argued that someone could have thought of a way to save her without killing her - say, use the Dragonslayer to separate her from the rest of her body and carry her off - but that they didn't is not something culpable. Particularly with only a day to come up with the idea, and when most of them are already stuck in the rut that ends with her death.

Apparently if we had chosen just talking to her, there would have been a hint towards that or something.
'On the table' in the sense that she'd still be alive, you all would have had more time to think about it, or for me to realize something and have Flan thought-drop it, especially if talking revealed how she'd been made.


It was asked to keep spoilers down, and while I do understand the irritation, please do keep it in mind. Also, that I'm the guy who just gut-punched you all in the feels, if that makes it easier for you to say no.

and as she gets stronger she births way stronger monsters. See first visit to Elina, and then the second visit to Elina.
I'm not sure that they're coming from Elina. Certainly, they could be, but I think it's another case like with Yuna's plan for Elina, where you can argue either way. The manga isn't much help here, because it has very little combat in general, but Yuna does explicitly say that he made Elina's new body by fusing monsters, and in the game itself he's already back at Astana when the party gets back there - he even got back in time to order Rhun and his troops back to the Capital:
Yuna said:
"Ah, Captain Ursula. I'm afraid you just missed him. The General has left for the capital."
...
"I'm afraid the General and others like him would not be able to appreciate what I'm trying to do..."
So, it's possible that he deliberately released the monsters he'd been experimenting on/with in his hex experiments. Certainly the fact that, IIRC, all the enemies are either undead or otherwise obviously-Evil would seem to support that, rather than them being 'birthed' or otherwise created by Elina. Ultimately, though, it's more that I prefer to believe Yuna is merely continuing the fine Capcom tradition of building giant Umbrella Installations underground and filling them to the gills with horrible monsters.

the canon solution to this is a mercy kill. And that's with them being aware of a much greater power, that's pretty much the only thing in the setting that might have a chance at fixing this. Mercy kill was still the solution of choice, and it was the solution Elina asked for.
Here, however, I think you're wrong. 'Mercy Kill' wasn't the 'solution of choice,' it was the only solution presented. Remember, Elina sent everyone away except for Cray, and asked Ryu to leave the Dragonslayer behind. She is trying to engineer a situation in which Cray will kill her, and then Yuna (inadvertently) helps her out by twisting the knife, so when Elina finally asks him to do it, he's an emotional knot and relents. There wasn't any time to think of alternate solutions, and Cray is alone, without the support of the ones who could come up with an alternate solution - Ryu and Deis.

Here, the manga is a little different: Ryu knows that Elina is an Endless already. He knows when they cut through her organs to reach her - he apologizes - and he's sad when he leaves the sword with her. Perhaps he's simply granting her wish. Maybe at that point he's already begun thinking that the world doesn't need 'gods.' Who knows.

Anyway, the canon solution is an assisted suicide, because Elina wanted it - and because she tried to set it up that way. She didn't want to keep living like that, doesn't want to suffer any more. It was her decision, and there wasn't any chance to explain about Ryu.
 
Well hey, if you do want to give us a chance to maybe do something right for all this (aside from gibbing Yuna and blowing up the Carronade), there's always that sword-fragment idea I had a little while back!

More to the point, I think one of the reasons that people didn't try to save her was the way she was presented. Heck, Yuna brought up that she was soon going to start growing into the foundations of the building, which led me to think that it was probably too late by that point. Que sera sera I guess.
 
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So, to start with: Yeah, I screwed up. I realized that saving her was a possibility (or at least trying was) when I was writing the update, shrugged and 'threw it in' without actually thinking about it. Flandre might only consider it a thought exercise, but my throwing it in right there is somewhere between 'Dick Move' and 'Slap in the Face,' and for that I apologize.

Don't think it needs to be said but for you're forgiven.

and BoFIV itself (Deis demonstrates that souls are not bound to a body).

I still don't quite get this reasoning, because Deis doesn't stop being a god even when she's not bound to a body. And Elina's godhood qualities seem to include eldritch abomination-like growth. I'd kind of expect Elina to keep growing like that even if placed inside another body.

Granted, it can be argued that someone could have thought of a way to save her without killing her - say, use the Dragonslayer to separate her from the rest of her body and carry her off - but that they didn't is not something culpable.

I did consider that, but there's no reason to think Elina wouldn't regrow her lower half, or at very least need constant trimmings. And seeing as one party member is psychically sensitive to the thing repeated use seems unwise.

Though, I suppose Deis never complained about it in the game, or Ryu when wielding it.

That was post Fou-lu though so who knows, maybe it quieted like killing Elina quieted this sword.



I'm not sure that they're coming from Elina. Certainly, they could be, but I think it's another case like with Yuna's plan for Elina, where you can argue either way. The manga isn't much help here, because it has very little combat in general, but Yuna does explicitly say that he made Elina's new body by fusing monsters, and in the game itself he's already back at Astana when the party gets back there - he even got back in time to order Rhun and his troops back to the Capital:

So, it's possible that he deliberately released the monsters he'd been experimenting on/with in his hex experiments. Certainly the fact that, IIRC, all the enemies are either undead or otherwise obviously-Evil would seem to support that, rather than them being 'birthed' or otherwise created by Elina. Ultimately, though, it's more that I prefer to believe Yuna is merely continuing the fine Capcom tradition of building giant Umbrella Installations underground and filling them to the gills with horrible monsters.

I suppose there's no way to say one way or another, so your choice is your own prerogative.

Here, however, I think you're wrong. 'Mercy Kill' wasn't the 'solution of choice,' it was the only solution presented. Remember, Elina sent everyone away except for Cray, and asked Ryu to leave the Dragonslayer behind. She is trying to engineer a situation in which Cray will kill her, and then Yuna (inadvertently) helps her out by twisting the knife, so when Elina finally asks him to do it, he's an emotional knot and relents. There wasn't any time to think of alternate solutions, and Cray is alone, without the support of the ones who could come up with an alternate solution - Ryu and Deis.

Here, the manga is a little different: Ryu knows that Elina is an Endless already. He knows when they cut through her organs to reach her - he apologizes - and he's sad when he leaves the sword with her. Perhaps he's simply granting her wish. Maybe at that point he's already begun thinking that the world doesn't need 'gods.' Who knows.

Anyway, the canon solution is an assisted suicide, because Elina wanted it - and because she tried to set it up that way. She didn't want to keep living like that, doesn't want to suffer any more. It was her decision, and there wasn't any chance to explain about Ryu.
It was the only solution presented at the time, yes, but Elina knew more than you seem to give her credit for. Take a look at that scene again.

She knew his name, one of the big alarm flags that she knows things she shouldn't and has somehow gotten concrete info. She probably knows he's Endless, or at least notes his powerful stream.

She knows of Ryu's journey and goal, including that he's trying to meet with Fou-lu and reunite. She may or may not have known he was the Yorae Dragon, but she did know the two halves were trying to reunite.

And Cray definitely knew all this. Elina asked to die and Cray honored that wish, but yeah. At least some of the parties are aware that there might be a solution, but Elina asks for a Mercy Kill and no one offers otherwise. I agree that Cray was in a really bad position to say no, but considering he was about the kill the woman he loves and doesn't want to, I would imagine he would try to think of alternatives.

And personally, I prefer to believe that it really was that hopeless, rather than a case of Poor Communication Kills. As it is I may not look at that scene the same way again. :(
 
As I mentioned earlier, the Emperor's Tomb is somewhere just south of the mountains to the west of Astana. If we want to meet up with Fou Lu, I'd recommend heading in that direction.
 
Flandre's goal is not 'lol destruction.' To paraphrase a certain jackass - she needs worthy opponents. It's the fight she's interested in, and if it's a good fight, she doesn't really care if she wins or loses. She also does have other interests:
* She's an excellent pianist and a good violinist, although the latter is more Remilia's instrument.
* She likes playing games - tag, hide-and-seek, and the like.
* She's alright with puzzles, although they're more a way to pass the time.
* Like all good fantasy characters, she likes riddles.
I was indicating it wasn't like that (in the rest of the sentence) despite some people seeming to go 'Flandre should destroy something, it's the only IC thing to do.'
Likely it wasn't completely the case due to me being annoyed.
 
Ehh. People tried to twist "Flandre is bored, wants to blow shit up now" into a moral action, then acted surprised when dedicated votes towards acting moral might have had a result more satisfying to them.

I mean, maybe I'm way off base with my point of view (for one thing, not knowing the source material, I'm finding it difficult to care about various atrocities commited in the past... then again, that's pretty much IC for Flandre, so I don't see the issue there...), but Flandre doesn't need to be a good guy. Being a bastion of incorruptible pure pureness is SV's default stance in quests, so it's refreshing to see a change from that.
 
Ehh. People tried to twist "Flandre is bored, wants to blow shit up now" into a moral action, then acted surprised when dedicated votes towards acting moral might have had a result more satisfying to them.

I mean, maybe I'm way off base with my point of view (for one thing, not knowing the source material,

Yeah that's definitely coloring your perception on what's actually going on in that scene.

Being a bastion of incorruptible pure pureness is SV's default stance in quests, so it's refreshing to see a change from that.

I don't care about it being a moral action, I just like Elina and think traveling with Elina would have made for a far more interesting plot. It also would finally give us a plot thread to following beyond wandering and looking for exciting fights, and would give us an attachment to anchor us to this world and its conflicts, because right now all we have is Deis and her desire to leave the world. I also would have been a nice foil to the source material's main party.

Seriously, this world is filled with interesting people. Some who oughta die like Yuna (who did not get his comeuppance in the source material so we're already off to a good start), but most aren't. Elina was one of them, and one of the most important ones. We didn't even know she was savable so that opportunity is gone, but I am hoping to hook up with some of the others.
 
Seriously, this world is filled with interesting people. Some who oughta die like Yuna (who did not get his comeuppance in the source material so we're already off to a good start), but most aren't. Elina was one of them, and one of the most important ones. We didn't even know she was savable so that opportunity is gone, but I am hoping to hook up with some of the others.

And thank God we actually offed Yuna there. I got worried when it brought up his bullshit teleportation failsafe.

But yes, as Hymn says, it would really help to have some kind of interest in actually getting into the events of the world and playing a role that isn't just 'explode the empire forever.' This is kind of why I'm pushing towards the Emperor's Tomb, because Fou-Lu is basically one of the best anchors to the setting that we could ask for, short of somehow getting Elina back.

Somehow.

Not sure entirely how, and I doubt that that's even on the table at this point.

Notably, regarding people being surprised, it's more because we had basically no indication that saving her was possible. There were hints, I guess, but we can't even go back to two of the worlds outlined (Skyrim, Madoka), and I didn't realize that stuffing Elina's soul into Deis' hunky soul-parlor was actually an option.

Alas, that's how things go. All I can hope for is that we head towards digging our figurative (possibly literal?) teeth deeper into the setting.
 
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We must be the Galactic Empire, with all these TIE fighters.
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"… Hey, Deis. Is there a fun place nearby we can wait at while the Empire gets its army together?" Ershin sits still before turning to you.

"Emperor Fou-Lu's Tomb is in the mountains to the west -" Your eyes light up.

"And he's the first Emperor, right? So if we go there … what does it look like?" You take out Laevateinn and begin carving on the ruined wall as Deis describes the tomb. If you're going to leave, you're going to want them to know where you're going, after all! It would be terrible if you went to all this trouble and they decided to attack the Eastern Alliance.

"What are you doing?" You wait for a moment, but it doesn't continue with its customary specification, and you turn to Ershin.

"It's all a part of my master plan, of course! The Imperial Army, once it finally assembles, will come here first - unless I go after them, but I want them at full strength and not spread out defending crummy little farming villages. That's why I held back and let them escape instead of killing everyone in Astana. Anyway, they'll come here, and they'll see this and realize we went to the tomb. Between the fact that he's the founder of their Empire and the fact that I just razed one of their encampments, they'll have to come after us! They'll want revenge, and they can't take the risk that I'll destroy such an important icon and keystone." You nod your head emphatically and continue drawing on the wall, then cock your head. "Any chance you can make some kind of magic circle that will make it incredibly obvious where I am? Just in case they're really dense?" Ershin chuckles mirthlessly.

"Something may be possible. Says Deis." You sigh, aware that that's probably the best you'll get out of them for now - but you don't really care. You take out your blue parasol and start walking down the road. It's shaping up to be a nice day, you might as well enjoy it. Ershin follows you. There's a gentle wind, a few clouds, the sun is rising in the east … and, of course, you can still smell Astana. Such a wonderful morning!


"… If you do not mind, Deis would like to speak with you," Ershin says, and you drop down to float above its head as it halts.

"Hm? What does she want?"

"I do not know," the armor says, and its helmet flips up, revealing the empty suit. "If you will speak with her, I can carry you." You nod for a moment, then shrug and put your parasol away and drop into the armor, drawing your legs up against your chest and wrapping your wings in front of you. You take a breath and relax, closing your eyes as the helmet clangs shut and the armor continues on.

… And then you're back in Deis's mental world, although it's rather different from before: there are no monsters, the path is direct, and the mountain where she was held prisoner is much smaller, with a temple of some kind on top. It's not that bad a building, really, white bricks and a red tile roof - it almost reminds you of Greek architecture, for some reason, although without so many columns. You fly up to the building and head through the doorway, entering a lush indoor garden, and you drop to the floor, staring. The room is packed with people, several dozen well-toned men wearing black trousers … and little else. Some are wearing jackets without undershirts, a few are wearing skimpy vests, and a lot simply aren't wearing shirts at all. You blink, confused, and notice Deis lounging on a gigantic canopy bed on a dais, laughing as several of the constantly-smiling men fawn over her. Two men lift you up by the arms and place you on their own interlinked arms before carrying you over to her; your head slowly turns left and right as you take in the scene. All the men have dark blond hair, they're all smiling and baring glittering-white teeth. Deis half-rises as you're carried over to her, a grand smile on her face.

"Ah, my young friend! I'm so glad you decided to join me! I hope you don't mind my letting myself go a little. Would you like some company? I don't mind sharing …." You blink at her, look at your porters, and slowly shake your head. You lift yourself up just enough to move to the floor gracefully, and Deis mock-pouts. "I see. Not your type, hm? Well, perhaps …." She vanishes, appearing right in front of you and drawing you into a romantic embrace. Her eyes gaze into yours as she whispers. "Is this more to your liking?" Fortunately, you don't react, even as she leans close.

"Deis," you say in a warning tone, and she sighs and stands up, arms raised in surrender.

"Alright, alright! I was just having a little fun." She sits down on the bed and shrugs. "Sit next to me? Chair? A bed of your own? What sort of company would you like?" You snort and float over to the bed, dropping down to lean against the wall.

"Did you want to talk about anything in particular? Something besides whether our tastes are remotely similar?" She sighs again, but her mischievous smile is replaced by a more proper expression.

"Tut-tut. All work and no play makes Flandre a dull girl, you know. But, yes, I did want to talk about some things. Your plans here, your plans for the future, and a bit about the immediate future. Care to start?" You steeple your fingers and tap them together for a moment before responding.

"My plans here … well, fight the Imperial Army, for starters. Depending on how that goes - whether or not it's a fun fight, mainly - I may not have any further goals here. I'd kind of like to visit the cities, see if there's anything interesting, but I don't know how high a priority it is." You shrug. "I mean, you gave me some descriptions, but you're … biased. You want to leave, so it's in your best interests to give me truthful, but … somewhat deceptive … descriptions if you want me to leave soon. Or they could be as boring as you make them out to be, or you might just not care enough about them, or we might just have different views on what constitutes 'interesting.'" She stares intently at you for a moment, then chuckles.

"I bet you're underestimated all the time, huh?" You stick your tongue out at her, and she shakes her head.

"I've been known to surprise people who based their actions on my appearance, yes. Anyway, long-term …?" With a bit of effort you alter the mindscape to show Deis the portals. Her eyes widen and she reaches out to the shadowed street. "They're just illusions, my memory of the portals the devices I have will show me. Do any of them look familiar or seem interesting?" You weight the option for a moment, then tell her about Patchouli's note. She wrinkles her nose as she pouts.

"Well … I'm curious about that shadow-war for the mages' desires. There are … quite a few ways to take that, though. I mean, even more than getting home I'd like to get my body back," she gestures at her voluptuous form, "or at least a good-looking replacement. Being stuck in that armor is irritating and I hate being weakened. It's just not a good body for magic. And once I'm more or less at full strength, I should at least be able to reverse what the Empire did and get back home." She sighs.

"I'm not sure how much use they'll be, though - she specified magi and not magicians, which means she doesn't have a good impression of their abilities. And why that would be … too many reasons. Especially with her." Deis raises an eyebrow but doesn't say anything about it. It's good, because while she's growing on you, you aren't quite at the point where you're willing to share family matters with her. "Anyway, what did you mean about the immediate future?" She sighs and looks away, troubled.

"Okay, so I'm an Endless. You aren't, for all that you're quite similar. Endless have a … a pull on things - there's an old song about it, but it's a pain to sing and the gist is that mortals are attracted to the pull of gods. Yours is … inconstant. Sometimes the world warps to accommodate you, and I suspect that you'd have a similar capability in other worlds, at least in some cases - with those who are close to you, or if you exert your power." She frowns, then shakes her head. "… Anyway, I bring this up because Endless are sensitive to the actions of other Endless. And to the west I can sense one. It's weak, probably either a fading dragon or another failed Imperial summoning, but there's something, and we can probably learn something from it." You nod as she takes a deep breath A new ally, maybe a pet or potential enemy?. "Also, there's the matter of Fou-Lu's Tomb. Fou-Lu founded the Empire and set it on its path. He's revered as a hero, and if the Imperials thought you might even be considering going there, they'd almost certainly move as much of heaven and earth as they could to stop you. More importantly, Fou-Lu isn't human - he's a god, an Endless. If we go to his tomb, not only can we definitely get the Empire's attention, but we might be able to wake him up, and he was called to rule. … That's what I was thinking about doing, really - waking up Fou-Lu would almost certainly light up everything and tell the Empire that you - or something, anyway - is at the Tomb." Your eyes light up. A god called to rule, the one who founded the Empire, would be able to direct it much more effectively than any human, and that could mean a lot for you ….


What do you do?

[ ] Keep heading for the Tomb.

[ ] Head for the weak Endless.

[ ] Other?
 
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[x] Keep heading for the Tomb.

Oh Deis, never ever change.

The Endless to the West, though-- the only one I can think of is the Nameless One, AKA The Dragon of Earth, far on the edge of the western continent. How far to the West did Deis mean exactly?
 
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[X] Keep heading for the Tomb.

Might as well get to Fou-lu first. Honestly if we get our word in and note what his people are up to, that'd be our best bet for getting on his good side. If we play our cards right we can probably earn some respect.

Plus he's just one of the most interesting characters in the game, if not the most interesting character.

[x] Keep heading for the Tomb.

Oh Deis, never ever change.

The Endless to the West, though-- the only one I can think of is the Nameless One, AKA The Dragon of Earth, far on the edge of the western continent. How far to the West did Deis mean exactly?

I would honestly think she means Ryu, except you would think that'd be a dragon to the east. Or maybe it's to the West because it's easier to circumnavigate the globe from here than it is to backtrack?

Just to make something clear:

Deis's love shack.

She certainly has excellent taste.
 
[x] Keep heading for the Tomb.

Oh Deis, never ever change.

The Endless to the West, though-- the only one I can think of is the Nameless One, AKA The Dragon of Earth, far on the edge of the western continent. How far to the West did Deis mean exactly?
[X] Keep heading for the Tomb.

Might as well get to Fou-lu first. Honestly if we get our word in and note what his people are up to, that'd be our best bet for getting on his good side. If we play our cards right we can probably earn some respect.

Plus he's just one of the most interesting characters in the game, if not the most interesting character.



I would honestly think she means Ryu, except you would think that'd be a dragon to the east. Or maybe it's to the West because it's easier to circumnavigate the globe from here than it is to backtrack?



She certainly has excellent taste.
Doesn't entirely matter who, the real question is, do we go now to try and save them or let them die/end/whatever(fading).
this is likely our only chance to do so.
 
Doesn't entirely matter who, the real question is, do we go now to try and save them or let them die/end/whatever(fading).
this is likely our only chance to do so.

They aren't necessarily dying, the Empire certainly has failed summons and maybe they even called one in response to us (that'd be very fast turnaround on their part).

I say stick with Fou-lu. Important dude, I'd rather give our story to him first, and.....well, spoilers.

He could actually really use some company or assistance, potentially. We destroyed the Carronade which is great and nips one disaster in the bud, but I'd still like to try and keep him from going genocidal.
 
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