Well, I'll rephrase. He sees Ryu as his most equal. In all the world, Ryu is the only one who even approaches Fou-Lu, even above the other Endless- though Fou-Lu probably at least respects them, too.

Regarding the political issue, if someone forces violence with Fou-Lu, it will probably not go well for the person in question, as we've seen throughout the game and the manga. Having him in power would massively increase the Empire's influence, if not just be cause the threat of imminent Dragon God is an even bigger stick than the Refined Suffering Cannon. Some countries back their words with NUCLEAR WEAPONS, it's basically equivalent.

What you bring up about the Yorae Dragon is interesting, though. Flan was able to at least seriously injure Alduin by squeezing his eye, and Alduin is relatively similar in nature, being destined to one day bring about the end of the world and all. Though Alduin is also nowhere near as... metaphysically weighty as the Yorae Dragon. He also exists within the world, whereas the Yorae is supposedly something that transcends it. It'd be more like trying to kill Akatosh or similar divine entities.

Them being halved is definitely an issue, though. Still! I'm really interested to see where this is going. Like I said earlier, I'd run something in this setting if I wasn't so busy, because it's just so good.
Most equal sounds about right; there are other people Fou-Lu respects, but Ryu is the closest.

Though I always did wonder what Yorae!Fou-lu did when he encountered Bunyan on his mountain. Fou-lu owed Bunyan a debt, and Ryu probably did too, if he encountered Bunyan. Bunyan's one of the most decent persons around.

And yeah, forcing violence with Fou-lu will end badly for the other side, but somehow I doubt the Alliance will realize how hideously outclassed there are unless they see Fou-lu's wrath firsthand. Or perhaps Ryu's. So someone may need to get burned to learn the lesson.

Yeah, against the complete Yorae Dragon I would not be surprised in the least if it no-sold Flan. That thing is ridiculous, definitely greater than the sum of its parts.

Though, even the Endless aren't completely immortal. There's the form they're summoned in, then once their worshippers are gone I believe they become the dragon, and after that they become the crystals Fou-lu and Ryu get new forms from. When you think about it, the Endless have remarkably shitty existences in the world.

All because humans called them to solve their problems.

Yeah, I foresee many interesting philosophy discussions between Flan and the Endless.
 
Most equal sounds about right; there are other people Fou-Lu respects, but Ryu is the closest.

Though I always did wonder what Yorae!Fou-lu did when he encountered Bunyan on his mountain. Fou-lu owed Bunyan a debt, and Ryu probably did too, if he encountered Bunyan. Bunyan's one of the most decent persons around.

And yeah, forcing violence with Fou-lu will end badly for the other side, but somehow I doubt the Alliance will realize how hideously outclassed there are unless they see Fou-lu's wrath firsthand. Or perhaps Ryu's. So someone may need to get burned to learn the lesson.

Yeah, against the complete Yorae Dragon I would not be surprised in the least if it no-sold Flan. That thing is ridiculous, definitely greater than the sum of its parts.

Though, even the Endless aren't completely immortal. There's the form they're summoned in, then once their worshippers are gone I believe they become the dragon, and after that they become the crystals Fou-lu and Ryu get new forms from. When you think about it, the Endless have remarkably shitty existences in the world.

All because humans called them to solve their problems.

Yeah, I foresee many interesting philosophy discussions between Flan and the Endless.

Honestly, I'm pretty sure the Alliance is at least passingly aware of what a dragon can do. Wasn't the oracle's village within their territory? If it was close enough, someone would probably have gotten a good look at Kaiser obliterating an army when Ryu flipped his shit. Also Nina and Cray are both there, so they can probably vouch.

I don't remember hearing anything about how exactly the Endless work, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was somehow as you describe. Though if I remember correctly, the Grasslands Dragon and the Wind Dragon are both still worshipped at least in part by the Woren Tribes and Wyndia respectively. Though that said, all the Endless we meet can still enter a humanoid form, so maybe they're all still being actively worshiped in one form or another.

Still, life kind of sucks as an Endless. You get yanked from whatever extradimnsional over-realm you live in and you're expected to solve all these peoples' problems, and even when you're done, they don't let you go home. And because you're basically a god, you can't just hang out and actually get to know the people you're helping, because most of them are either terrified or hold you at arm's length because of what you are. Shit kinda sucks.
 
Honestly, I'm pretty sure the Alliance is at least passingly aware of what a dragon can do. Wasn't the oracle's village within their territory? If it was close enough, someone would probably have gotten a good look at Kaiser obliterating an army when Ryu flipped his shit. Also Nina and Cray are both there, so they can probably vouch.

I don't remember hearing anything about how exactly the Endless work, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was somehow as you describe. Though if I remember correctly, the Grasslands Dragon and the Wind Dragon are both still worshipped at least in part by the Woren Tribes and Wyndia respectively. Though that said, all the Endless we meet can still enter a humanoid form, so maybe they're all still being actively worshiped in one form or another.

Still, life kind of sucks as an Endless. You get yanked from whatever extradimnsional over-realm you live in and you're expected to solve all these peoples' problems, and even when you're done, they don't let you go home. And because you're basically a god, you can't just hang out and actually get to know the people you're helping, because most of them are either terrified or hold you at arm's length because of what you are. Shit kinda sucks.
Ehhhh, most of the dragons are pretty laid back. I think the worst we saw was the sand dragon wrecking a sand ship and the mud dragon causing a flood. They're more like forces of nature, but they've never turned against humanity. They might be able to imagine what could happen, but it's not the same as experiencing the consequences.

Also, that oracle's village was past a mountain range I think, and the hidden village even further north. I doubt anyone saw anything past that. And while Nina and Cray could vouch, they are A. two people, and B. fugitives from the Alliance. Wyndia and Worren might listen, Lydia may not trust them after being left holding the bag repeatedly. Can't say I'd blame them.

Yeah, if I find the exact citations again I'll let you know.

And yes, the Endless' life really does suck. Honestly it's amazing none of them have snapped and taken it out on humanity. The worst we ever see is Deis' bitching, and Fou-lu's....well, Fou-lu after he gets pushed past the Despair Event Horizon.



Though incidentally, remember the Dragonslayer? That's actually the head of a Iron God, the only part of the god to be summoned. I mentioned this before, but the Empire forged his head into a sword and now it's trying to consume any Endless it meets in a desperate attempt to fix itself.

Remember what happens when it meets Fou-lu?

Yeeeeeeeeeah...Flan's eye crushing probably hits harder than that, but Fou-lu has a bit of a history surviving things he has no right surviving. I wouldn't risk it.
 
Fairly sure Flandre Destroyed(not killed) Alduin/Alduin's Soul and that's partially why Akatosh appeared.
Remilia said something about being strong enough to be an actual threat to Mora in a hundred years, so Flandre(et/al) is the type of vampire who slowly gets stronger the longer she lives, even disregarding new experiences gained.
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[X] Keep watching them. Staaaaare~
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[X] Try to communicate.
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[X] Keep watching them. Staaaaare~
-[X] Especially if they go into the misty area. You want to see what happens!

[X] Try to communicate.
-[X]Charades

Staaaaaaaaaaaaaare. Look.
 
the emperor is a corrupt jerk who employs inhuman, amoral assholes
Competent, inhuman and amoral assholes. Remember Yohm ripping Fou-Lu a new one? "... And find the body." Or how Rhun survived a throw-down with A-Tur? Even Rosso isn't exactly incompetent. Say what you will, the people beneath the Emperor do seem to know what they're doing.
I'm really interested to see how Entropy Judge portrays him
For all his faux-Shakespearean English, or keigo in Japanese
That language thing is the big thing bothering me; if I try for archaisms, I won't be able to keep it straight, but English doesn't really have any good way to distinguish 'formal' language. It's problematic because 1) his mannerisms are a distinct part of his character, and 2) this is a PoV quest, not a third-person or overview quest. Since language is such a huge part of how they interact, getting it right is a big deal. Other characters are easy - Ershin is third person weird, Scias is hammered, and so on, but the big man? It's doubly frustrating because if Flan does see him as significantly respect-worthy, and he uses a particular style of speech, she is likely to use it in response.
From what I recall in this Quest, Flan crushed Remilia's eye and she came back via fate shenanigans.
How Remilia BS'd her way back to existence was never stated.
Remilia said something about being strong enough to be an actual threat to Mora in a hundred years, so Flandre(et/al) is the type of vampire who slowly gets stronger the longer she lives, even disregarding new experiences gained.
Mephala, actually, and the quote is:
"I have an idea. Moreover, I know that neither you nor I can fight them effectively. Against the weakest of her siblings, the pair of us might suffice." You glare at her, but she's not looking at you, only staring oddly at one of the walls. "Give it a few centuries. Everything dies eventually, and even if she's impregnable, there are ways. If nothing else, a horde of nieces and nephews ought to be enough to render her … distinctly unhappy."
It is more that greater age brings greater experience with it, rather than a simple 'Older = Stronger,' and she's also implying that something might happen to Mephala.
 
Competent, inhuman and amoral assholes. Remember Yohm ripping Fou-Lu a new one? "... And find the body." Or how Rhun survived a throw-down with A-Tur? Even Rosso isn't exactly incompetent. Say what you will, the people beneath the Emperor do seem to know what they're doing.

That language thing is the big thing bothering me; if I try for archaisms, I won't be able to keep it straight, but English doesn't really have any good way to distinguish 'formal' language. It's problematic because 1) his mannerisms are a distinct part of his character, and 2) this is a PoV quest, not a third-person or overview quest. Since language is such a huge part of how they interact, getting it right is a big deal. Other characters are easy - Ershin is third person weird, Scias is hammered, and so on, but the big man? It's doubly frustrating because if Flan does see him as significantly respect-worthy, and he uses a particular style of speech, she is likely to use it in response.

Yohm is kind of a weird case, where it seems like he's mostly just doing what he's doing because he's something of a patriot, and maybe a bit suspicious of immortals in general. His eventual death suggests as much, anyway. Rhun is definitely not in the amoral camp, though. Dude was about as nice of a guy as you ever end up meeting in the Empire.

(I make no claims about Rosso though. That guy murdered a village for no really good reason and got Kaiser Dragon'd for his troubles. Does not exactly scream competence to me.)

Regarding the language issue and Fou-Lu, I'd suggest maybe making it part of his demeanor and general air rather than explicitly messing with his diction. Unlike the games, you have the ability to describe his mannerisms, expressions (or lack thereof) and so on and so forth, which means you can portray his formality and old-fashionedness in ways other than his speech.

I would suggest maybe having him omit the use of contractions, slang and crass language. He also seems like the type who wouldn't let emotion influence his diction unless in very particular and severe circumstances, and probably does not beat around the bush when he has something to say. Dude is royalty of the most high class, he may not necessarily dip into thous and thees, but when he has something to communicate, he will do so in the most clear and precise terms. This is why, when he says you're going to die, you are proooobably going to, and promptly at that.

(Of course, if something unbalances him, like, say, being shot by the Carronade, then all bets are off and he's free to cackle with the best of them.)

He should project his authority with nothing more than his presence. Just speaking his name is enough to cause ripples through the very fabric of the world, so being around him aught to be a humbling experience for most people when he puts his game face on. It says a lot about Mami that she basically treated him like an ordinary guy, despite Fou-Lu's usual demeanor. The manga does a lot for showcasing what he's like when he's not on his game, though. There's a scene where Mami and a village elder are teaching Fou-Lu how to fish, and it's both hilarious and incredibly cute because he's completely out of his element. They made a really great couple. Mami for Eternal Empress, RIP.

That said, I find the idea of Flandre imitating him after a little while 100% adorable. And now I'm wondering what happens if Remilia meets Fou-oniichan.
 
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Hey @HymnOfRagnarok, y'all should cast a vote! Break this tie we find ourselves in!
 
[X] Keep watching them. Staaaaare~
-[X] Especially if they go into the misty area. You want to see what happens!
[X] Try to communicate.
-[X]Charades
 
[X] Keep watching them. Staaaaare~
-[X] Especially if they go into the misty area. You want to see what happens!
[X] Try to communicate.
-[X]Charades
 
... What is the vote for Charades even for?

What are you treating to communicate through the charades and why do you think it will work? Why would Faln do it and what do you hope to accomplish from it?

Mainly what do you even want to attempt to say through Charades which is a notoriously unreliable method of communication even through people who know eachother closely and grew up together?... Because so far no one has said what they think Flan should even try to communicate... just that they want her to somehow communicate through Charades (as if that can't go wrong or be misinterpreted in an even rely new world with entirely different customs from Flan is used to) and apparently make them understand... Something... ??
 
... What is the vote for Charades even for?

What are you treating to communicate through the charades and why do you think it will work? Why would Faln do it and what do you hope to accomplish from it?

Mainly what do you even want to attempt to say through Charades which is a notoriously unreliable method of communication even through people who know eachother closely and grew up together?... Because so far no one has said what they think Flan should even try to communicate... just that they want her to somehow communicate through Charades (as if that can't go wrong or be misinterpreted in an even rely new world with entirely different customs from Flan is used to) and apparently make them understand... Something... ??

I'm assuming the default communication is, "Amuse me, puppets, and I might let you live." :V
 
Competent, inhuman and amoral assholes. Remember Yohm ripping Fou-Lu a new one? "... And find the body." Or how Rhun survived a throw-down with A-Tur? Even Rosso isn't exactly incompetent. Say what you will, the people beneath the Emperor do seem to know what they're doing.


That language thing is the big thing bothering me; if I try for archaisms, I won't be able to keep it straight, but English doesn't really have any good way to distinguish 'formal' language. It's problematic because 1) his mannerisms are a distinct part of his character, and 2) this is a PoV quest, not a third-person or overview quest. Since language is such a huge part of how they interact, getting it right is a big deal. Other characters are easy - Ershin is third person weird, Scias is hammered, and so on, but the big man? It's doubly frustrating because if Flan does see him as significantly respect-worthy, and he uses a particular style of speech, she is likely to use it in response.

How Remilia BS'd her way back to existence was never stated.

Mephala, actually, and the quote is:

It is more that greater age brings greater experience with it, rather than a simple 'Older = Stronger,' and she's also implying that something might happen to Mephala.

Ursula not on the amoral side but she's still competent leadership. Ditto Rhun.

Yohm was amazing though.

As for the language...well at least in the case of Flan you can justify her forgetting archaic phrases or other acts of butchery, as it being her lack of skill.

Though if I find a good source for faking Shakespearean English I'll let you know. At very least, there's stuff like the thee and thou levels of formality, I think.

Avoiding contractions and slang is a must, unless it's a deliberate choice.



Also, it occurs to me that Fou-lu is weak against fire, as seen during his first confrontation with Yohm. And he doesn't use much water in retaliation, unless he's rocking Serpent form. So Flan might have a bit of a leg up on him, in some regards.

Hey @HymnOfRagnarok, y'all should cast a vote! Break this tie we find ourselves in!

I'll think about it, but I don't have strong feelings right now, and I definitely don't feel settled back into the Quest yet.
 
Noted, and amended my vote to account for the need for more information.

Edit: Moving it here.

[X] Keep watching them. Staaaaare~
-[X] Especially if they go into the misty area. You want to see what happens!

[X] Try to communicate.
-[X]Charades
-[X] Try a greeting, and an attempt to ask what it is they're doing here.

Ursula not on the amoral side but she's still competent leadership. Ditto Rhun.

Yohm was amazing though.

As for the language...well at least in the case of Flan you can justify her forgetting archaic phrases or other acts of butchery, as it being her lack of skill.

Though if I find a good source for faking Shakespearean English I'll let you know. At very least, there's stuff like the thee and thou levels of formality, I think.

Avoiding contractions and slang is a must, unless it's a deliberate choice.

Also, it occurs to me that Fou-lu is weak against fire, as seen during his first confrontation with Yohm. And he doesn't use much water in retaliation, unless he's rocking Serpent form. So Flan might have a bit of a leg up on him, in some regards.

I thought the thee and thou stuff was originally a mis-reading of the 'thorn' letter? Ah well, it works if it works.

Fou-lu being weak to fire is definitely a thing though. Flan definitely has a good chance of beating him if she sticks to just swinging Laevateinn at him forever and ever. But that chance might diminish somewhat if Fou-lu enters one of his many forms. Serpent, as you said, would pose... issues.

Tyrant is just right out, though.
 
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Hey @AramilOniasha, @Slith10, @Cataquack and @Plausable, do you guys want to update your votes or let them stay as is? We do kind of need some context to what we're trying to communicate, or else we're just charading for the sake of charades.

Sorry, I've just been busy with some other things. Changing my vote:

[X] Keep watching them. Staaaaare~
-[X] Especially if they go into the misty area. You want to see what happens!

[X] Try to communicate.
-[X]Charades
-[X] Try a greeting, and an attempt to ask what it is they're doing here.
 
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[X] Keep watching them. Staaaaare~
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You sit atop the gate, watching the assembly watch you. The tall one - the leader, probably - says something again, and you turn your head slightly to stare right at him. Everyone stands there for a long moment, waiting for something to change, and then the silence is broken by an odd laugh. Many of the strange people jump or shudder, and several of them back away from the shaking individual in their midst; it takes you a moment to realize that the fully-armored figure is the one laughing, and then it stops. The leader turns to the laugher and they talk for a bit. Finally, the leader shakes his head in apparent defeat, and the armored figure walks toward the gate. It looks up at you as it reaches for the handles, and when it pauses to say something you scoot over to the post. Then it pulls the gate open. You frown; the gate should open outward, so that anything coming in has to be smart and strong enough to pull, possibly against a bar, instead of opening the door the way it wants to open. And if the gate can be opened by a single person ….

The rest of the group files through the gate, moving carefully along the walkway and peering into the mist. The armored figure remains by you, however - presumably some sort of guard. You hop to down to the walkway and study your companion. It just stares at you, yellow eye-lenses unblinking and incapable of showing you where he's looking. The armor itself is rather odd, a single large plate forming the front 'armor' over another, thinner, body piece … with a grill through the armored plate. The helmet is more of a lid, and you tilt your head, blinking - the armor does look kind of like a cookpot with arms and legs, although not exactly. The three-fingered gloves and cape don't help, either, nor the fact that it's only slightly taller than you. The two of you stand there for a little, just watching each other, then you shrug and turn to follow the others - maybe they're doing something interesting! You start to follow them before they get too far ahead - you want to see what they're doing, after all - when a large hand grabs your arm. The armored figure … you suppose it's shaking its head, or something, and it tries to pull you toward the buildings. You plant your heels and refuse to budge, and your watcher crouches in the packed dirt for a bit. It backs away to reveal … what you think is supposed to be you and it going into a building. Its artistic abilities are quite lacking - although you do have plenty of paper, so if you want to try communicating, you could just draw some pictures. You spin back toward the gate and start walking through, only for your watcher to rush in front of you to physically block your passage. Several methods of removing it occur to you, but there's something odd about it, so you settle for simply picking it up and setting it back down behind you. It laughs again, and as you continue onto the walkway it follows you.

You aren't that far behind the others, and you see them setting up some kind of ritual near a collection of houses. When they notice you're there, they pause what they're doing and stare. You wave and sit down a good distance from them. Your watcher calls out something that gets them back to work, and then it chatters at you, trying to ask you something. It points at you, then around the town, then stomps its feet as though walking. … Maybe it's asking how you got here? Would you get in trouble if you told it? Is it even worth the bother trying to communicate here instead of looking for a magician? Shrugging, you take out a sheet of paper and a pen and begin drawing several rough sketches - you waking up, walking up to the portal, walking through it, and then here. After holding it up for your watcher to look at for a few moments, you put it away and point past the workers. Your watcher lets out a yell and … its fist flies off, smashing into the deformed creature that had been creeping up on the workers. You stare at your watcher, surprised, as the creature howls in outrage and is launched off the narrow platform, and a small horde of the monsters begin clambering toward the group, bony scythe-arms punching into the wooden ramps or houses before their muscular, worm-like lower bodies launch them at their prey. Your watcher's fist flies back and reattaches, and the armored figure turns between you and its allies, but you wave it off and it charges to protect the others.

They aren't completely helpless, of course. You see flashes of magic, fire and bright lights, and the creatures shy away or crumble to ash. Others use polearms to hold the monsters at bay, or to pin them while others hack at them with swords. A few, like your watcher, are capable enough to deal with them even when outnumbered. The monsters don't attack you, for some reason - in fact, quite a few try to squirm past you, only for you to pitch them off the walkway. They know you're there, they just ignore you. They also don't initiate attacks against the armored figure - they fight if it impedes their progress or attacks them, but they seem focused on the rest of the group. Maybe it's that same oddness you can feel if you get close enough that's causing it? The fight doesn't take too long, and your watcher returns to you, chattering about something. A lot of the workers keep sneaking glances at you. Eventually, your watcher falls silent.


It takes more than an hour for the ritual to finish, but finally it's complete, and the atmosphere feels quite different. It's not quite as hostile, and something in the air prickles at your skin and eyes, and in your throat. You giggle; the ritual is probably something to do with fighting 'bad' monsters, and you're getting it by accident. Yes, 'accident.' The workers split up, each carrying a glimmering crystal on a pendant - probably something to connect them to the ritual. You follow one group as they traverse the rooftops, staying in the slightly thinner mist until they reach an area with quite a few machines. They survey the area from the rooftops, then climb down to work with the machines. Some are broken or damaged, and they are fixed. The group then … begins cleaning the area while the machines do something. Somehow, you can feel the atmosphere clearing a little, and the mist is thinning even more. Boo~oring.


What do you do?

[ ] Find some place to sleep through the day.
- [ ] In the misty area.
- [ ] In the cleared area.

[ ] Try to communicate with your watcher.
- Anything specific to conceal or try to get across?

[ ] Leave the city.
- [ ] South.
- [ ] North.
- [ ] West.
- [ ] East.

[ ] Other?
 
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