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Flandre's Quest (Touhou) World - (Madness Quest)

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It's been literally Three Minutes since she left. There aren't any Mobile phones or things like that in Skyrim, nor as far as I know any instant telecommunications. Letters are the most primarily used form of long distance communication and she hasn't had time to write anything.

Not to mention that Flandre is already on a trigger issue and possibly starting a trend of letting people who hurt us and those close to us get away with it. She literally broke down in the previous world since we couldn't get Oriko and Kirika if I remember correctly. This is not different. Except here she threatened Lutecia instead of us and tricked us as well. We can't let this stand too. Flan also needs to let loose a bit. And this is a relatively Unnoticable target outside of her Assassin allies. We can't keep letting things like this go away unpunished. Nor can we keep Flan from acting out at every opportunity. Otherwise well why play Flan?
 
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Kairae said:
It's been literally Three Minutes since she left. There aren't any Mobile phones or things like that in Skyrim, nor as far as I know any instant telecommunications. Letters are the most primarily used form of long distance communication and she hasn't had time to write anything.

Not to mention that Flandre is already on a trigger issue and possibly starting a trend of letting people who hurt us and those close to us get away with it. She literally broke down in the previous world since we couldn't get Oriko and Kirika if I remember correctly. This is not different. Except here she threatened Lutecia instead of us and tricked us as well. We can't let this stand too. Flan also needs to let loose a bit. And this is a relatively Unnoticable target outside of her Assassin allies. We can't keep letting things like this go away unpunished. Nor can we keep Flan from acting out at every opportunity. Otherwise well why play Flan?
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... We have a 4/10 chance of finding her, if we don't find her we will break down as you said, unless we just let this go instead of getting hurt by it this will likely just do the thing you are trying to avoid + getting them killed by angry assassins if we do succeed.
This is almost the worst way of doing anything, we need to shake it off this time.
McPoopin said:
Not if our intentions are to commit the brutal, messy murder of a little jerk who thinks she's top shit.
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... Which would be followed by the murder of two fragile human by angry unknown assassins. This time should be learned from, otherwise things will go badly.
This is likely to end with angry assassins we know little about attacking us.

Let it go this time, but we need to... inform Babette that she isn't in as strong a position as she thinks she is, when next we meet.

Killing her isn't as productive as 'teaching her to play nice', as it were.
Whether we just give her a 'light warning' in some way such as letting someone we are hunting run us through, taking the weapon out with no visible ill effects/etc or something more indepth is something we need to consider properly, but killing her hinders our purpose and angers a vague ally for no gain. We are called 'Sithis' for some reason, let's try to find out why instead of letting Mephala get to us.
 
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Not really. You see right now the only Assassin who knows who we are and our secrets is Babette. Letting her go now even if we plan to do something later means that when we do go to do somehting, that instead of covering it up or hiding the evidence and likely getting away with it the Assassins will both know who we are and know a lot about us, including things like our weakness to Sunlight and our care for our companions etc. Along with everything else Babette has deduced.

If we kill her now the Assassins will (even if they somehow do find out it was us) attack with little to no information (and we'd be doing our best to hide our involvement anyway).

If we attack later however then we'd have likely already have lost a lot of our advantages... Even just knowing that we're not from this plane is a valuable piece of information as it would mean limited knowledge and contacts etc. That's a lot to potentially get out to our enemies. Especially with the view that we can be coerced and tricked without retribution.

... And again... Flan. Shes not one to let the long game deny her an enemy who has hurt her and humiliated her. Espcially when she's just getting away and has valuable information on her...
 
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Not really. You see right now the only Assassin who knows who we are and our secrets is Babette. Letting her go now even if we plan to do something later means that when we do go to do somehting, that instead of covering it up or hiding the evidence and likely getting away with it the Assassins will both know who we are and know a lot about us, including things like our weakness to Sunlight and our care for our companions etc. Along with everything else Babette has deduced.

If we kill her now the Assassins will (even if they somehow do find out it was us) attack with little to no information (and we'd be doing our best to hide our involvement anyway).

If we attack later however then we'd have likely already have lost a lot of our advantages... Even just knowing that we're not from this plane is a valuable piece of information as it would mean limited knowledge and contacts etc. That's a lot to potentially get out to our enemies. Especially with the view that we can be coerced and tricked without retribution.

... And again... Flan. Shes not one to let the long game deny her an enemy who has hurt her and humiliated her. Espcially when she's just getting away and has valuable information on her...
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Again that's assuming she hasn't told anyone. We are linked to the Brotherhood in someway, so let's not inadvertently help Mephala in someway and lose a potential ally while making an enemy unlikely to stop. We will hurt more if we don't catch her anyway. We should let her go this time because she didn't really gain much and isn't an enemy.
Next time we will be more careful if we feel so strongly about it.
Flandre would also try to think of 'What would Remilia do?'

[X] Laugh at the deception. You'll leave her alone … for now.

[X] Carriage Company

We can destroy the Brotherhood later once we know where it is, if we want to.
 
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It's been three minutes since she left. If we go for her we're extremely likely to catch her either quickly or not at all.

And if we do catch her quickly then she won't have had any time to tell anyone and if she has they're likely to still be there.

If it takes time to find her well then that'd the benefit to killing her slowly in that we can ask those things. It's also highly likely that again whoever she has spoken to will still be there. If not then we can likely get it out of her and if we can't then it's unlikely she shared every thing. That's the worst case scenario as there can be but it's also very unlikely.

If we go after her and then can't find her well... No harm done I suppose. Babette will still do exactly what she would have if we didn't follow her so we're not making things any worse for ouraelves atleast. We will however also have the chance if we don't find her to possibly get some information on her or if not that then atleast we will have chosen to do something about her the next time we see her, a resolution that would likely help us and our problem with how we kept putting off Oriko and Kirika when we could have gotten them as instead of that we did out best here and will continue at the next opportunity. If anything to me putting it off to later seems much more like what we did with Oriko and Kirika than attempting to go after them and failing. As it was our repeately putting off our retribution with them that lead to us not getting them in the end.
 
Kairae said:
It's been three minutes since she left. If we go for her we're extremely likely to catch her either quickly or not at all.

And if we do catch her quickly then she won't have had any time to tell anyone and if she has thwyre likely to still be there.

If it takes time to find her well then that'd the benefit to killing her slowly in that we can ask those things. It's also highly likely that again whoever she has spoken to will still be there. If not then we can likely get it out of her and if we can't then it's unlikely she shared every thing. That's the worst case scenario as there can be but it's also very unlikely.

If we go after her and then can't find her well... No harm done I suppose. Babette will still do exactly what she would have if we didn't follow her so we're not making things any worse for ouraelves atleast. We will however also have the chance if we don't find her to possibly get some information on her or if not that then atleast we will have chosen to do something about her the next time we see her, a resolution that would likely help us and our problem with how we kept putting off Oriko and Kirika when we could have gotten them as instead of that we did out best here and will continue at the next opportunity. If anything to me putting it off to later seems much more like what we did with Oriko and Kirika than attempting to go after them and failing. As it was our repeately putting off our retribution with them that lead to us not getting them in the end.
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4/10 chance to catch her, if we are so serious about it, we are likely to break down and do something stupid than if we just let it go this time. What happened with Oriko and Kirika was when we could have gone with Mami to get them dead to rights easily People voted for Piano Lessons instead of going to fight them. Unsurprisingly it was a bad idea because no one considered what was going to happen after O & K killed Mami.
What will happen after this next update is what you should be asking yourself, prepare for the worst outcome just in case.
We (Flandre) need to plan, not just 'Kil dem' like when Madoka ended up wishing us away.
Trying to find and kill Babette is likely to hurt us no matter if it succeeds or fails. Succeeding is likely to hurt a lot more overall, but even failing will hurt us.
We should be more like Remilia and let it go, but plan for our advantage instead of running in and getting totalled.
 
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... Honestly I think it's pretty obvious neither of us are going to convince the other at this point.

Let's just leave it to the votes. Thing'll go how they go. It's 4:30 am here and I need to sleep...

Tbh, I'm pretty okay with the worst outcome anyway. If we just ignore opportunities and interesting/ in character things due to paranoia of the worst case scenario then this Quest (like any quest that does the same) would likely go downhill very quickly.

And besides there are a lot of downsides and potential consequences to letting Babette go to. There is no way to avoid potential downsides/ bad outcomes in a Quest like this, espcially when so many of them can be hidden/ just plain missed/ unthought of.
 
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Changing my vote:

[X] Find Babette and: *
- [X] Kill her quickly.

As much as I would like to see Babette suffer and realize the full enormity of her mistake, I feel that Flandre is not going to want another Oriko mistake. Quick and sharp, no wasting time. Let the b***h try to figure out how she messed up from the grave.
 
Cataquack said:
Changing my vote:

[X] Find Babette and: *
- [X] Kill her quickly.

As much as I would like to see Babette suffer and realize the full enormity of her mistake, I feel that Flandre is not going to want another Oriko mistake. Quick and sharp, no wasting time. Let the b***h try to figure out how she messed up from the grave.
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... Again, Oriko was because people voted to put it off and then chose Piano Lessons over The Final Showdown! Babette is an asshole but a potential Ally, ditto the Brotherhood, while we made Oriko our enemy and just screwed up in general. (Maybe the first vote that comes to mind to SV is a bad decision, but that's a side point.)
I would like to stop making enemies for little reason, find out more about 'Sithis and us' and cause Mephala some problems(also deal with her 'influence' on us)
If Babette tries to screw us over once we have warned her, then sure, once we have prepared properly. EDIT:We shouldn't jump straight towards making the only group halfway our ally a mortal enemy we will have difficulty seeing coming just because we feel offended over something we would feel pleased about doing ourselves./EDIT.
Not now for an impulse that might not even be completely ours (Mephala?) and will cause us damage as well.
Also, still a 4/10 chance we will catch her, so a 6/10 chance of the next update being us breaking down or something.

Just let it go and plan smarter if it really matters. It's not as if hasty decisions that try to make us feel good (Piano/etc/etc/etc) have ever worked out overall before.
 
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Here's a thought: who actually can help us here? If the goal is to get Lutecia home, then we need someone who knows stuff about interplanar travel. I'm not up to date on my ES lore, but as far as I remember, that's pretty much just the Aedra and the Deadra. Waltzing into a temple and asking the gods for help seems like a bad idea to me, so what we need to do is get chummy with one of the Deadra. This is probably also a bad idea, but at least it'll still be fun, even if it doesn't work out.

Now, I'm not saying that we should murder Babette and then go and also murder every other living being in the entire town in the hopes of amusing one of them enough to get an audience, but I'm not not saying it either.
 
McPoopin said:
Here's a thought: who actually can help us here? If the goal is to get Lutecia home, then we need someone who knows stuff about interplanar travel. I'm not up to date on my ES lore, but as far as I remember, that's pretty much just the Aedra and the Deadra. Waltzing into a temple and asking the gods for help seems like a bad idea to me, so what we need to do is get chummy with one of the Deadra. This is probably also a bad idea, but at least it'll still be fun, even if it doesn't work out.

Now, I'm not saying that we should murder Babette and then go and also murder every other living being in the entire town in the hopes of amusing one of them enough to get an audience, but I'm not not saying it either.
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Lutecia and Agito dying seems to part of that plan too. Would really amuse that sort of Daedra to do that, even if it works on the few Daedra that like indiscriminate slaughter without meaning. Even better to ignore it entirely to mess with us.
Which specific Daedra are you hoping for? Mephala is likely to be the only one who would 'get' to keep us if we do that.
They tend to do what's fun for them, which could include coming with us to fuck us over forever if they even want to help us.

Aedra are much more likely to help in a more meaningful way, if we feel we can't do it ourselves.
But on subject, we can always kill Babette later if we need to, killing now seems rather hasty.

... What does Lutecia and Agito think on the subject of Babette?
 
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No the Aedra are much more likely to put us down as somehting from outside of Mundus. They'd also not likely meat Flan if they met her now would they condone her actions or would she aporeciate thwir high handed crap. The Deadra are much more easily reached and much more liable to make deals too.

You also don't seem to know the Daedra all that well, at the very least (though I'm assuming it was more of a Joke on MrPoopins part than a serious suggestion) it would likely gain the attention of Molag Ball and Mehrunes Dagon, either of which is both likely bad and possibly profitable. The other Daedra would likely take notice too if not just for any interests they may have around or for the novelty of it.

Tbh I would prefer to do it ourselves rather than have to make a deal with any sort of Diety in the Elder Scrolls even theough we've already been noticed. But I definitely wouldn't want to gain the Attention if the Aedra as a Vampire, being identified as a child of Sithis, coming from outside of Mundus, and generally being a bloodthirsty moral less being of Death. As that's basically what Flandre is as a Youkai...

Edit- That may have come across as more aggressive than I intended, but I'm not sure how to change it while keeping the point. Please don't take any offense at this post. I'm not the best at making an argument while also doing the best of social graces/ thoughtfulness.
 
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Lutecia and Agito dying seems to part of that plan too.
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No one can hurt them if there's no one to hurt them.
Slith10 said:
Which specific Daedra are you hoping for? Mephala is likely to be the only one who would 'get' to keep us if we do that.
Would really amuse that sort of Daedra to do that, even if it works on the few Daedra that like indiscriminate slaughter without meaning. Even better to ignore it entirely to mess with us.
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Okay, that is admittedly a weak point in the plan. Maybe if we pose the bodies in amusing positions we'll get Sheogorath. He can be reasoned with in a sort of "it makes sense if you're insane" kind of way, right?
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They tend to do what's fun for them, which could include coming with us to fuck us over forever if they even want to help us.
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Holy shit, you just convinced me that this the the best fucking idea ever.
 
We already know how to exit the world. Lutecia can do it over any large settlement.

The problem is finding destinations
 
McPoopin said:
Holy shit, you just convinced me that this the the best fucking idea ever.
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... Right, having everyone around us being killed by a Daedra with not much opposing it is a good thing. You seem to think they want to be our friends or something.
Anyway, if it isn't profitable for them to help us, they won't even if they can.
... Can't get help from Aedra, don't think help from Daedra would actually help. Most of the time their 'help' screws the 'favored one' over.
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We already know how to exit the world. Lutecia can do it over any large settlement.

The problem is finding destinations
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I think we need to do it at certain times.
 
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[X] Laugh at the deception. You'll leave her alone … for now.

[X] Carriage Company

Because it gives us time to prepare a sufficiently Flan-y Plan, and those are the best kind.
 
veekie said:
Either way, we don't NEED help.

Probably just want to run into Vita before we exit with loots
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Which is why I don't want to increase the chance of Lutecia/Agito dying from Assassins because we feel offended about something (if we did it) we would expect others to ignore entirely. Also less loot/plot if Brotherhood is not an ally.
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Because it gives us time to prepare a sufficiently Flan-y Plan, and those are the best kind.
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Don't forget about the 'Flan trying to think like Remilia' plans.
 
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Yea, instead of killing Babette and not letting ourselves be discovered by the entire group of assassins. We should instead let Babette go so she can babble on about our and Lutecia's/Agitos's existance and our foreigners to reality (as well as everything else she knows) to everyone she feels like. I'm sure that Lutecia and Agito will feel much safer knowing that information on us is just floating around, that a group of Assassins has it and that they can give it to whoever the wish.
 
Kairae said:
Yea, instead of killing Babette and not letting ourselves be discovered by the entire group of assassins. We should instead let Babette go so she can babble on about our and Lutecia's/Agitos's existance and our foreigners to reality (as well as everything else she knows) to everyone she feels like. I'm sure that Lutecia and Agito will feel much safer knowing that information on us is just floating around, that a group of Assassins has it and that they can give it to whoever the wish.
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... She has already talked to people about our existence, if she is killed, we will be the most likely suspect. Kinda surprised we didn't have an option at the point Babette went for Lutecia.
They are unlikely to share it with anyone else, more likely to use it to kill us if someone pays them to try(at worst) if they don't feel the whole 'Sithis' thing is worth looking into.
Still feel they will be 'allies' for us, rather than fucking over because they can. No money in it.
Only if someone we frustrate later paid them and we weren't a point of interest for them.
 
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Your fear over pissing off one group of Assassins that you don't want to kill one of them who tricked us and has our secrets/ identities etc. Just incase the others can somehow maybe pull our names out of their asses and come after us in retaliation is brilliant. It's blatant paranoia and letting information out on us go for no reason other than fear. Who's to say that they won't decide to come after us anyway when Babette gets back to them? Jeez, letting her go is so OOC is silly too.

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That's great. She may have told whoever she was talking to a small amount of information on us that she had gathered earlier. If she gets away however she will now have a lot more to give though. Including our disposition towards the group, our foreigners to Mundus, potential weakness and strengths and anything soshe she could have gathered from us later. She had barely any information in us when she spoke to her ally. She may not even have been speaking about us. But if she did it's very much more dangerous for us to let her go now with everything she knows and to let them get away to spread it.

Hell, I'm happy being a suspect in Babettes death if that's the only real information on us they have, that way they're likely to attack us at night instead of in the day when we're so much weaker. And honestly there are so many other dangerous figures who we will likely end up on the radar of if the Brotherhood finds out everything abiut us that they already know. They might even decide to force us to do things for them because they know we'll do as they say as long ad they threaten Lutecia. It might even work. And it certainly fits with how they recruit the DB in canon.
 
Kairae said:
Your fear over pissing off one group of Assassins that you don't want to kill one of them who tricked us and has our secrets/ identities etc. Just incase the others can somehow maybe pull our names out of their asses and come after us in retaliation is brilliant. It's blatant paranoia and letting information out on us go for no reason other than fear. Who's to say that they won't decide to come after us anyway when Babette gets back to them? Jeez, letting her go is so OOC is silly too.

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That's great. She may have told whoever she was talking to a small amount of information on us that she had gathered earlier. If she gets away however she will now have a lot more to give though. Including our disposition towards the group, our foreigners to Mundus, potential weakness and strengths and anything soshe she could have gathered from us later. She had barely any information in us when she spoke to her ally. She may not even have been speaking about us. But if she did it's very much more dangerous for us to let her go now with everything she knows and to let them get away to spread it.

Hell, I'm happy being a suspect in Babettes death if that's the only real information on us they have, that way they're likely to attack us at night instead of in the day when we're so much weaker. And honestly there are so many other dangerous figures who we will likely end up on the radar of if the Brotherhood finds out everything abiut us that they already know. They might even decide to force us to do things for them because they know we'll do as they say as long ad they threaten Lutecia. It might even work. And it certainly fits with how they recruit the DB in canon.
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... She knows nothing about how to deal with us, the biggest point was how we immediately went 'Oh, no, d-don't hurt her, I'll tell you everything!'. Most of that we were going to tell her anyway, it was the fragility of Lutecia not defending herself and us not warning Babette to stop her foolishness. (I would have thought we would get a choice at that point, it seems rather far off 'ask about Daedra' to just accept meekly.)
They don't know how durable we are, how we attack. We can split into four people so we can kill four of them in seconds, they are nowhere near trying to cause trouble.

Attacking a being from beyond the void without knowing anything/almost nothing about how they fight is beyond stupid. This is just 'Are we angry enough to kill Babette', the information is effectively 'They come from the void, they say they are Sithis, they want to leave and care about such and such a person.'
Nothing about what we can do.
Maybe we are a threat, maybe we are an ally, but killing a member is a sure way to make them our enemy without them knowing what a bad idea that is.
 
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