Films that were better than their books

I have yet to see it mentioned (in fact I'm actually really surprised GoT took so long to get mentioned as it's my understanding it's almost universally considered to be superior to ASoIaF) but most certainly The Martian was better adapted into a movie than it was in its original novelized form - and don't get me wrong, the novel is still one of the top three books I've read this year so far (not a small feat as I'll get into very shortly). But it does show how even a skilled writer is still vulnerable to the pitfalls of self-publishing and a lack of editorial oversight (yes that's right, the book was originally self-published) and the film does much to clean up and streamline a lot of narrative issues for the sake of effective pragmatism. Namely, what you'd think would be the very first chapter (the scene the movie chooses to open with) is something like Chapter 8 in the book. There's little justification for this non-chronological order other than it probably didn't occur to the author originally that it might best be served to simply start chronologically.

That said, I do like the novel's ending better (the novel even pokes fun at a would-be Hollywood depiction of this ending, which is exactly how Hollywood in its infinite wisdom inevitably chooses to end it).

The 5th Wave. Most of you probably haven't heard of it, or at least the book.

Oh, I haven't seen the movie but I have heard of (and read) the book. I've heard the movie isn't all that great though. As far as being a "Hunger Games Clone" The 5th Wave is one of the better ones by far but having to overcome the "Hunger Games Clone" stigma is a very uphill battle, especially now with a saturated market and that saturation coming to bite back at the Divergent and Legend series hard (BTW for what it's worth I've also read all of these named books).

By all accounts, the second two hunger game films are better than their books.

Again, that's definitely a consequence of skilled Hollywood writers and directors knowing what translates into film and what doesn't. Not everybody is skilled at this by a longshot (see movies where they insist everything has to be a literal translation - LOTR/Hobbit excepted - or movies that are barely a resemblance to their source material at all).

Not a movie, but the Expanse TV show is far, far superior to the books.

I could say more of the same but I'm also going to add that by now SyFy probably knows how to hire people who not only actually know the classic era sci-fi genre but know how to translate it to television and understand what audiences want. I've seen The Expanse S1 and it's overall a good show (the whole "evil corporation wanting to unleash an equally evil virus/mutation/whatever" at the end kind of lost me, I was really enjoying the twists and plot development aspects it tended to intensely focus on and to resort to what's now become a dangerously near-overused trope feels like a letdown) and given the previous spectacular failure of Ascension I can see SyFy going through a bit of a creative shake-up to make Expanse happen the way it did.
 
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Oh, I haven't seen the movie but I have heard of (and read) the book. I've heard the movie isn't all that great though. As far as being a "Hunger Games Clone" The 5th Wave is one of the better ones by far but having to overcome the "Hunger Games Clone" stigma is a very uphill battle, especially now with a saturated market and that saturation coming to bite back at the Divergent and Legend series hard (BTW for what it's worth I've also read all of these named books).
The movie is decent, at least because the apocalypse part is done well and the plot twist is essentially a middle finger to all the young dystopia fiction... Allegiant is an epic fail compared to it.
 
I have yet to see it mentioned (in fact I'm actually really surprised GoT took so long to get mentioned as it's my understanding it's almost universally considered to be superior to ASoIaF) but most certainly The Martian was better adapted into a movie than it was in its original novelized form - and don't get me wrong, the novel is still one of the top three books I've read this year so far (not a small feat as I'll get into very shortly). But it does show how even a skilled writer is still vulnerable to the pitfalls of self-publishing and a lack of editorial oversight (yes that's right, the book was originally self-published) and the film does much to clean up and streamline a lot of narrative issues for the sake of effective pragmatism. Namely, what you'd think would be the very first chapter (the scene the movie chooses to open with) is something like Chapter 8 in the book. There's little justification for this non-chronological order other than it probably didn't occur to the author originally that it might best be served to simply start chronologically.

Oh, there's a reason for that- it was released chapter by chapter, so starting there was 'ok, this is what the story is going to be like,' without having to wait weeks before getting to the representative material and starting with one of the most atypical chapters.

As is, it allows one to read one chapter and know what to expect.
 
While insightful, the articles don't say that "the show is superior to the books". The first one is more about how the show's fourth and fifth seasons are better than the last two books they adapt, and the other two articles have the writer like the show as much as the books, only that the show does certain things better than the books and that it is a good thing that it's now independant of its source material to try new things.

That's why I'm confused: there really is no way to meaningfully compare if the show or the books are better received. The TV show has also significantly increased the overall sales of the books (I found this, but God knows if it is good methodology), which makes it even more difficult to judge the two separately.
 
That's why I'm confused: there really is no way to meaningfully compare if the show or the books are better received.

You'd have to take an aggregate poll of the overall population (not just how fans of the books feel since, at least in my direct experience, hardcore book fans are as fervent as the High Sparrow) in order to get an idea. It's been done somewhat but those links were the best I could find in a timely manner (not because they're not out there but because Gawker's search tools are extremely subpar).

There are also other factors in play, not the least of which you have to remember that this is strictly a subjective matter we're talking about. The books also appeal to a much more limited area of fans who enjoy extremely detailed genre works, while the TV show is much more accessible by design.
 

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Wrong. We're interested in anything that has to do with the characters we've fallen in love with, or love to hate. We want to know if they live or die; we want to know who will win the game of thrones and survive the winter that's coming.

Who's 'we'? Dissatisfaction with the last two books is hardly unanimous , there are lots of people hovering in the spectrum between hating those books and thinking those books are better than their predecessors. There are plenty of people who care about Dorne, or the Iron Islands, or Tyrion's plot in Essos. It's just that those people are not part of the loud vocal minority that reject those books wholesale.

Two fan favorites are off on a mission to Dorne together, a much better use of their time than the nothing they get up to in the books, while one familiar face returns at just the right moment instead of never being seen again.

How the fuck is it a better use of their time? They accomplished fucking nothing in Dorne in the show, they wasted valuable time needed to setup Jaime's breakup with Cersei, and they completely trashed the entire characterization of Dorne and all of it's characters. They shouldn't have even adapted Dorne at all if it's pointless in the books.

Instead of having Brienne of Tarth wander Westeros for hundreds of pages, she has found her quarry — Arya Stark and Sansa Stark — and been rejected by both of them. Her continued pursuit of Sansa becomes that much more poignant.

There is no Brienne in the show, there's a bad tempered woman who goes around killing people. When you look past the surface she has nothing in common with her book counterpart. And she accomplishes fuck all in the show anyway. The only difference is that in the books we got a deeper insight into her character.
 
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Fellowship of the Rings.

*Not* the whole trilogy, but just the first one. Fellowship did a spectacular job presenting Middle Earth and trimming the first novel well. The second and third movie had some issues where they diverged from the books in ways that didn't work, but Fellowship was breathtaking.
 
I feel you, man.

Every article with that title should consist of nothing but "Because more people watch TV than buy books, idiot". Anything else and the writer gets kicked in the scrote.
Maybe for GoT, but, IIRC, there are a few cases where it's actually true that the original books were awful and the TV version is brilliant. You shouldn't go around punishing people who describe this.
(Jurassic Park is an example of this, apparently.)
 
I feel you, man.

Every article with that title should consist of nothing but "Because more people watch TV than buy books, idiot". Anything else and the writer gets kicked in the scrote.

GoT probably wouldn't annoy me as much if the media didn't line up in a fucking conga line to kiss it's ass no matter what. It's been the hot new trending show for five bloody years now. I would think that we're at the point where more people would be willing to criticize some of it's more clearly nonsensical writing decisions. Stuff that the show pretty much admits were bad ideas through it's dialogue?

For the fandom who only know the show it's like, yeah cool whatever. If you like it that's cool. But for the inbetweeners? There's so much shit said in that sphere where I'm like oh my god fuck oooooofff. So much rationalization and shitting on the books to make the show look better, even though the line constantly repeated is that the book and show are supposed to be their own separate things.
 
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This applies to basically every book that Michael Crichton wrote that got converted into a movie by someone else.

Basically, he's a good concept person, but his execution tends to "What has science done!"

Though he did write Timeline, and I'm not sure how the book could be worse than "Fire the Night Arrows!" (referring arrows that, unlike normal arrows in the film, aren't set on fire.)
 
I assume it was different in the book, but the Jurassic Park movie was weird with how it seemed to stress that man couldn't control all those factors when it looked like they easily could have if they just had a bigger budget.
 
I assume it was different in the book, but the Jurassic Park movie was weird with how it seemed to stress that man couldn't control all those factors when it looked like they easily could have if they just had a bigger budget.

Not even bigger budget, but just less tech reliant. More normal zoo preparations- pits, concrete embarkments, etc..

The book, on the flip side, pretty clearly had cutting corners as a problem, and it hammered the chaos theory thing even more, so that isn't an area that was different.
 
IIRC he was the one that wrote the code to automate everything.
He was there because he was the only guy with that kind of programing skill that would work with a shoe-string budget, and then he couldn't quit because he had a contract.
Yeah, a bigger budget definitely wouldn't hurt. That or just focusing on what's better instead of what's new.
 
That and making sure people like Nedry weren't there.

If there were multiple other people, him pulling that off would be much harder if not impossible.

That's *one* area where not cutting corners is vital.


... well, more important at least. Proper modern-zoo defenses and it wouldn't have caused a raptor release, but it would kill the security on all the high-security stuff.
 
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Though he did write Timeline, and I'm not sure how the book could be worse than "Fire the Night Arrows!" (referring arrows that, unlike normal arrows in the film, aren't set on fire.)
Timeline the book is pretty good. Didn't even know there was a movie, actually. Of all the Crichton books, Timeline is the one which felt the least 'what has science done' as you put it, and the most clearly the result of people doing nasty shit with cool toys. Jurassic Park kind of did that but also talked a lot about how this was an inevitable failure because blah blah blah. Timeline is pretty blunt that it's pretty sure anybody would abuse the tech but that really isn't the tech's fault, it's just people being jackasses.
 
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