The scale isn't "power levels". It's the degree of danger / versatility assigned by PRT to the cape in question. And they generally go to 10, with "12" being used for "breaks the scale". I.e. for powers that fall into the category, but generally don't compare to other powers in the same category.Inverness said:
Fiend: Thread Three, Thread Harder. [Exalted/Worm]
- Thread starter logiccosmic
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illhousen said:
From what I understand the scale is 1-10. With two special ratings. 0 for Saint's use of Tinker tech without been a Tinker and 12 for Labyrinth's OMGWTFZOR!!! ability.Inverness said:
Everything else we've seen points to a 1-10 scale so it's probably safe to assume 12 is reserved for saying "This person simply doesn't fit on the scale"
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
ICM doesn't work on on the dodge - it's a PD, and nothing counters those but mote-tapping or the imperfection. No, it doesn't actually matter if the text of ICM says it would, WoG says that PD's work even in the face of effects that say they don't. And Skulking Shadow Shintai explicitly does work in the face of your own anima banner, but no one else's. I guess I was wrong about the other.Sojiko said:
Because 99% of paras who have a bunch of effects that look similar are doing different things with one power, and if the fail conditions are different, then something VERY WEIRD is going on.
Er. My bad. Would make a bitching stunt though, go and throw the spear, except instead of releasing it, a javelin shaped blast shoots out.
Recursive Fuck you I win probably is 13. Glastig or Tohu copying multiple 12's at once, for instance - or Simurgh going for brute force and deploying G-Driver Bullet hell.DeAnno said:
Whats a G-Driver?
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Simple explanation - this crazy tinker named String theory build a gun, the F-Driver (Firmament Driver), powerful enough that if she shot the moon, it would fuck up it's orbit. The G-Driver is the upgraded version of the thing, and powerful enough to hurt Scion. The other things on that for brute force attack are um, Lung with 2 years of charging up.Nightblade said:
In exalted terms - imagine a weapon second only to the godspear and other infinite damage weapons and combos. Now imagine it can be mass-produced, has functionally infinite range (at least in creation), and then imagine someone upgrading it to make it even nastier. That's the G-Driver.
No. It needs repeated ritualised behaviour targeted at her.Endymion said:
If NYC declared Defiler day and everyone went out every year and had a festival to celebrate her victory, that would probably count.
Anything that you'd normally get from fame doesn't give you cult. Your cultists have to be going above and beyond that. We know this because famous people in Creation don't get cult dots, and having a cult is quite a big deal, socially.
So if Simurgh has a weapon that powerful why has she not used it to wipe out humanity?pheonix89 said:
A weapon that powerful should easily be capable of killing everyone (except possibly those protected by very powerful parahuman abilities).
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Because that isn't her goal. Everyone in-universe who has taken a good look at the demonstrated power of the endbringers, even without the knowledge that they are holding back, has figured out that they are toying with humanity. No one really wants to admit that all victories vs endbringers bar New Dehli were I let you win things, though.Graig said:
It can, and if a few hundred people in NYC wake up everyday and greet the rising sun by audibly thanking Defiler for saving their lives, she'd probably get a dot of Cult.Endymion said:
Note that if they merely pray to their own God(s) that she was there to save them, she won't get the Cult. The prayer would still be aimed at some (possibly non-existent), other thing. We know this, IIRC, because this is the form of prayer that the Immaculate Order says is appropriate when referring to dragon blooded heroes, and that doesn't get the Terrestrials in question a Cult rating.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Btw, for what happens when they STOP holding back - read cockroaches and venom.illhousen said:
Inverness
The Foxiest Wife
Exactly, everyone is twisting their brains into a knot trying to figure out what the point of that was.BlackWarth said:You mean this?
This is what happened when Simurgh wasn't holding back.
Delta Green
Big Boss
- Location
- Classified
The charm gives them a working conscience and sense of morality, restoring them to sanity so they can fully appreciate the horror and guilt of their crimes?Doomsought said:
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Cult 1 is traditionally, what, a half dozen priests?Alratan said:
If a few hundred million people talk about how awesome Defiler is, and how she saved them from the monster, and how she went hand to hand with that Endbringer, that doesn't count? It has to be quality over quantity?
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
And then immediately afterward he got the shit kicked out of him by Lung, who was boosted up to the point that his showing vs Leviathan looked weak.BlackWarth said:You mean this?
This is what happened when Simurgh wasn't holding back.
What you need for Cult, is, as I understand it qualitatively rather than quantitively different to being famous.
You can, for example, get Cult from people who don't even know you exist in the right circumstances. Think of cult as lots of people casting spells that sends a little bit of energy to the target of their worship. Those spells can take various forms, but they're all active.
Now matter now famous or talked about or feared or loved you are, that doesn't get you Cult until people start ritually worshiping you. There are other Backgrounds that represent these other things, and they don't grant Cult.
Remember that in Exalted humans are prayer engines, custom designed to generate Cult through their prayers. When they do so, they're using the mechanisms engineered into them and Creation to maximise the amount they yield. The prayer is part of the process built to enable that.
Imagine it this way. Imagine you're a breakout famous singer. Everyone knows your name. However, unless they go through one of the social rituals associated with buying your music, you're not going to get any money.
There's a reason prayer/cults act a protection racket in Exalted, and that gods beed to extort mortals to actively worship them. If mere fame was sufficient, they could simply rely on evangelisation and PR.
You can, for example, get Cult from people who don't even know you exist in the right circumstances. Think of cult as lots of people casting spells that sends a little bit of energy to the target of their worship. Those spells can take various forms, but they're all active.
Now matter now famous or talked about or feared or loved you are, that doesn't get you Cult until people start ritually worshiping you. There are other Backgrounds that represent these other things, and they don't grant Cult.
Remember that in Exalted humans are prayer engines, custom designed to generate Cult through their prayers. When they do so, they're using the mechanisms engineered into them and Creation to maximise the amount they yield. The prayer is part of the process built to enable that.
Imagine it this way. Imagine you're a breakout famous singer. Everyone knows your name. However, unless they go through one of the social rituals associated with buying your music, you're not going to get any money.
There's a reason prayer/cults act a protection racket in Exalted, and that gods beed to extort mortals to actively worship them. If mere fame was sufficient, they could simply rely on evangelisation and PR.
Jiopaba
Eat Lightning; Crap Success.
I think Taylor would get a cult simply from the people who are like 'her number one fans.' She's going to have at least six out of the billion people who are going to see the footage of her saving New York City at Legend's side, and probably soon fighting toe to toe with an endbringer with two ludicrously powerful minions decide to actually worship her.
Even if it's a quality over quantity thing, quantity has a quality all of its own in this sense. If only one person in a hundred thousand sees Taylor kicking ass and winds up acting in a way that counts as ritualized prayer, that's still ten thousand genuine followers.
If it's one in a million she's got a thousand followers. If it's one in a hundred million she's still going to wind up with ten people devoted enough to count as priests.
Mechanically speaking, she's getting a cult, inevitably at this sort of scale I think. It's just a question of how big it is. You can't say that a hundred million people thinking about someone would not produce at least one person who thinks about them in the right specific way to trigger the prayer-reaction. That'd be ridiculous, given that it can happen totally by accident without you even trying.
And out of all the people in the world, there are going to be some who just utterly fall in love with her, wallpaper their room with posters of her, choose forum names like DefilerFanboi386, and spend all their time singing her praises.
Recall that out of everyone who sees it, it only takes six people like that to give her Cult 1.
Even if it's a quality over quantity thing, quantity has a quality all of its own in this sense. If only one person in a hundred thousand sees Taylor kicking ass and winds up acting in a way that counts as ritualized prayer, that's still ten thousand genuine followers.
If it's one in a million she's got a thousand followers. If it's one in a hundred million she's still going to wind up with ten people devoted enough to count as priests.
Mechanically speaking, she's getting a cult, inevitably at this sort of scale I think. It's just a question of how big it is. You can't say that a hundred million people thinking about someone would not produce at least one person who thinks about them in the right specific way to trigger the prayer-reaction. That'd be ridiculous, given that it can happen totally by accident without you even trying.
And out of all the people in the world, there are going to be some who just utterly fall in love with her, wallpaper their room with posters of her, choose forum names like DefilerFanboi386, and spend all their time singing her praises.
Recall that out of everyone who sees it, it only takes six people like that to give her Cult 1.
Well Taylor will feel even worse especially after the girls start to talk about it.illhousen said:
Biigoh
Tanuki
- Location
- Tanukia
Blame damsel~Scya said:
Yeah, she did have a broken leg. Taylor actually pulls on it at one pointEssex said:
You got a plot hole, logiccosmos!
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
I do seem to remember a mention of her spider while within the room, which would mean her anima was pretty damn lit up- and, well, the whole action where she got Daphne and then took her to the room probably netted her a few motes because of stunts too.Essex said:
logiccosmic
the Prince of Word Crimes
- Location
- the Hague, formerly
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Spoiler: Yes. Fixed, but because she was sedated, she had to be monitored. Do you want the person who can vaporize stuff to be awake?.Essex said:
I should probably put that in this section, though. Or at least hint.
Oh, you.Olive said:
Oh, TED, you so funny.Sojiko said:
Taylor, just wait~~~FunkyEntropy said:
lolFunkyEntropy said:
On what Taylor did: Conviction Channel.
Of course, she used Sundancer's Intimacies against her.
And the fact that you could consider Sundancer to have 0wp or so as well~
logiccosmic
the Prince of Word Crimes
- Location
- the Hague, formerly
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Yeah - It's still green, but she hasn't spent any motes. She was at 0, and has only regained a tiny bit from stunts.Essex said:
No spider in the house.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
But having an top tier cape as a genuine ally willing to throw their plans out the window to save you is NOT something that would happen to Empowered.illhousen said: