Thing is, jamming precog by having your own is an entirely different beast from jamming precog by running on a separate physics engine from the rest of the universe.Alratan said:
It is, but it seems similar enough to Trump powers that make people a black hole as far as precognition is concerned, which I think we know exist, to use as a rough model.pheonix89 said:
Not...really? In one case, there is a black hole, in another case, everything is predicted as usual, except that Taylor doesn't exist in those predictions, and everything predicted only take into account what would happen if she didn't exist. E.G, Sundancer would be the one announcing the destinations and so on.Alratan said:
It depends whether the Simurgh's predictions are static or continually being updated. I think they have to be continually updated, otherwise she couldn't work around either other precongitives or with other people that can be observed with precognition. There's no plot, or narrative weight. There's simply a set of particles arranged in a specific state that describes the now.Arkeus said:
No she wouldn't be a Hole, she just wouldn't be there- any fast forward would only show the world fast forwarded from now, but as if Taylor suddenly disappeared and everyone else didn't notice she ever existed.Alratan said:
Why wouldn't they notice she ever existed? From what I understand, and I'll readily admit I could be wrong, the Simurgh would be reading the configuration of the world, including their brains and deriving what would happen if Taylor had existed and then suddenly ceased to, unless she could put a placeholder in to her model to compensate for the hidden variables she represented. Where would the Simurgh find a world state to look at to base a simulation oof what would have happened if Taylor had never existed.Arkeus said:
I am assuming it's the Latter because of what has been said about Coil's power interaction with Taylor.UberJJK said:
That is a point - plus she can model them based on the way people she can see interact - or if really pressed she can just tinker herself up an upgrade to add normal sight.esran said:
Exactly my point.Mastigo said:
That depends on if the heroes don't zap her tinker tech, which is a high, high priority.Alectai said:
Which gives her an imperfect model. Suddenly she can't account for free will anymore. She also can't account for Taylor succeeding or failing in anything she decides to do. (She would be able to predict that Taylor will retaliate if someone goes after Danny, but she can't predict whether Taylor will succeed or fail in that vengeance.)esran said:
Simurgh, search for coffee? Don't be silly. She'll instead engineer a situation where some government wants to launch a secret tinker-made spy satellite into orbit, but thanks to an incredibly unlikely series of bureaucratic failings, the rocket is actually filled with coffee instead. Due to random equipment malfunction it will just happen to be aimed directly at her. Of course when that government realizes they realize they gave their super secret spy technology to the Simurgh, they'll proceed to rip each other apart and promptly destroy their forward progress for the foreseeable future. Mission accomplished. *sip*Mastigo said:
Simurgh, floating in space: ... ... ... where's my coffee? Lesse now... ... why can't I see my coffee in the past AND in the future?? The F*ck??Inverness said:
Er, no. In Canon exalted, being outside fate simply means that fate doesn't take your action into account. Thus, any precog would show what canon should be, not what it is. Fate does have mechanisms for adapting to this, but this tends to trigger issues like Omen Weather,.Rathmun said:
I don't see why teleportation would be her weakness. Simurgh can see the future where you ended up teleporting.YuffieK said:
Not if you're outside fate - taylor is invisible period.Guile said:
It shows what Cannon should be, until those mechanisms catch up. Now, in the Exalted setting, the number of essence users puts a lot of strain on those mechanisms. But in WORM, there is one source of fate-breaking BS. The exact amount of time it would take fate to catch up is up to the author, but I'm pretty certain that by now fate is not showing Taylor gearing up to be Skitter. Otherwise the PRT wouldn't be classifying it as a precog jamming effect, but rather as the complete and total destruction of all precognitive ability. (By now the divergence would most certainly be enough to render all of the precogs wrong in very noticeable ways.)Matsci said:
As I said it depends on how Simurgh's postcog works. If it's her precog in reverse, that is taking the present state of the universe and running it backwards, then Taylor wouldn't show up. Which leads to false results.esran said:
