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I was assuming there was something like conservation of energy going on here; but I guess the whole grail ritual is all about summoning things you shouldn't have the oomph to, so it's not too surprising if one of its creations can do something like that too.
 
Dzhay said:
I was assuming there was something like conservation of energy going on here; but I guess the whole grail ritual is all about summoning things you shouldn't have the oomph to, so it's not too surprising if one of its creations can do something like that too.
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There's also the fact that Servants and Noble Phantasms don't follow the rules of the modern era, and instead follow the rules of the era they are native to. Hence why Medea can just spam laser beams everywhere without even using Magic Circuits.
 
justinkal said:
Yes, because her physical body is an artificial construct formed from modern magecraft, so Gaia is constantly and slowly disintegrating it.
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Eh, while yes the upkeep cost of being a Servant is part of the reason Caster hoards energy, she still needs to use magical energy to fuel her spells, it's the reason why she waited in the 5th War until she had enough energy prepared to go out and fight. Even if she is not using Magic Circuits, you still need to pay the costs for those spells, things like that aren't free.
 
Actually, the bigger problem with being a Servant isn't the prana requirement, it's the lack of an anchor. Being a Servant means you're supposed to be dead; no matter how much prana you have you'll go away pretty quickly. That's why even Saber with her dragon core, for example, or Caster who can just tap leylines, fade quickly; it's also why Independent Action is a separate skill from just being prana-efficient. The purpose of a Master is twofold; it's a way to anchor someone who doesn't belong, as well as provide prana to maintain that unnatural existence - but you need both.
 
Gilgamesh had Independent Action at A+ so he specifically didn't need a Master to anchor him, he just needed prana for upkeep. And once he got a Flesh Body from getting dunked in Grail Juice, he didn't even need constant upkeep as a Servant.

The orphanarium was just to pay for him to use his NPs.

That's why he didn't pull out his Golden Armor during UBW; it had a high upkeep and he couldn't afford to pay it once he lost his fresh-squeezed orphans. (GoB is also a gas-guzzler.)
 
By the way, I was thinking about the lightsaber. Since their initial attempt wasn't working, have they considered using some sort of temporal effect to roll it back after use?

Basically, have they tried turning the lightsaber into a vampire?
 
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Ridiculously Average Guy said:
By the way, I was thinking about the lightsaber. Since their initial attempt wasn't working, have they considered unseeing some sort of temporal effect to roll it back after use?

Basically, have they tried turning the lightsaber into a vampire?
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That's a sentence I never thought I'd see ever.

But yeah, some sort of redundancy that re-establishes the effect after it gets disrupted might help?

Though that would give them a sword that explodes whenever it touches something.

Budget Caladbolg?
 
daniel_gudman said:
That's why he didn't pull out his Golden Armor during UBW; it had a high upkeep and he couldn't afford to pay it once he lost his fresh-squeezed orphans. (GoB is also a gas-guzzler.)
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Gilgamesh could have used his armor then, it's just that his Pride didn't see Shirou as an opponent worth using it on. That's pretty much the only reason he loses fights, his overwhelming Pride.
 
Also about the lightsaber,
Instead of a laser, if the mystic code defines the area of the blade with a lower value of speed of light in the medium?
We could cut apart molecular bonds if speed of electron> light.
Also Cherenkov glow.
 
Drakebane said:
Gilgamesh could have used his armor then, it's just that his Pride didn't see Shirou as an opponent worth using it on. That's pretty much the only reason he loses fights, his overwhelming Pride.
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Funny thing is that, outside the UBW anime at least, he wouldn't have been in a position to lose that fight because of his pride if he hadn't failed to notice Archer protecting Shirou.
 
Krika said:
But yeah, some sort of redundancy that re-establishes the effect after it gets disrupted might help?

Though that would give them a sword that explodes whenever it touches something.

Budget Caladbolg?
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Didn't the Lightsaber take a couple of swings before breaking?
LordVile said:
Also about the lightsaber,
Instead of a laser, if the mystic code defines the area of the blade with a lower value of speed of light in the medium?
We could cut apart molecular bonds if speed of electron> light.
Also Cherenkov glow.
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Ah, a literal light saber.
 
LordVile said:
Also about the lightsaber,
Instead of a laser, if the mystic code defines the area of the blade with a lower value of speed of light in the medium?
We could cut apart molecular bonds if speed of electron> light.
Also Cherenkov glow.
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At that point, you're probably better off going the concepthax route by imbuing a blade with the concept of [all-cutting flame], and then modifying the result to cosmetically resemble a lightsaber.

Doing that, the only thing you really miss out on is the retractable blade, and you can always add that in separately.
 
Really the problem is Kirito's ether element. Fire or Lightning would probably make a much easier and more accurate lightsaber, Ether is used as anti-magic which interferes with the sword enchantment......

Maybe they need to work from the inside out so that the Sword enchantment doesn't come between the antimagic and what it's hitting. Like have a physical blade that works as an amplification athame which emits the compressed ether around it like a sheath. IIRC Kirito can already kinda do that but at least now it looks like a lightsaber when active.
 
Asunder said:
Really the problem is Kirito's ether element. Fire or Lightning would probably make a much easier and more accurate lightsaber, Ether is used as anti-magic which interferes with the sword enchantment......

Maybe they need to work from the inside out so that the Sword enchantment doesn't come between the antimagic and what it's hitting. Like have a physical blade that works as an amplification athame which emits the compressed ether around it like a sheath. IIRC Kirito can already kinda do that but at least now it looks like a lightsaber when active.
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What I described would fit much better as a really high end Mystic Code than anything else. Truly an 'elegant weapon for a more civilized age'.

Pretty sure that Mystic Codes just need a prana source, and don't care about what kind of elements the user has.
 
Asunder said:
Really the problem is Kirito's ether element. Fire or Lightning would probably make a much easier and more accurate lightsaber, Ether is used as anti-magic which interferes with the sword enchantment......

Maybe they need to work from the inside out so that the Sword enchantment doesn't come between the antimagic and what it's hitting. Like have a physical blade that works as an amplification athame which emits the compressed ether around it like a sheath. IIRC Kirito can already kinda do that but at least now it looks like a lightsaber when active.
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I think I suggested something similar the first time we all went over this, and it still sounds like the best idea to me.

That said, the current problem, as I recall, isn't that the Ether is anti-magicking the Sword, it's that the concept of Sword is destabilized whenever the blade comes into contact with something, which causes the blade to explode when the Ether all vents through the cracks.
 
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