I suspect that rather than generating a spirit realm and stuffing souls into it, that instead Kayaba created a VI space mundanely (well, we know he did that), and then switched paradigms to a mystic definition of "your world is what you can perceive" and adapted messing-with-spirit-realm spells to a virtual space. Subtle distinction, but a somewhat important one in that the resulting space is still running on hardware that can be mundanely debugged (if behaving in ways not indicated by its specs), which is useful.
Fate/Revelation Online
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We were talking about an evil doppelgänger floor a little while ago, perhaps using the already mind-reading nature of the situation to produce maximally disturbing clones. Shirou's would be obvious (he's already met the guy...), Kirito's could be one of a few things, but pretty straightforward.
...but how does Illya react to a sparkly pink magical girl who believes in friendship, love, and never giving up hope?
Kirito's could be evil Asuna, she is one of his main friends. Shirou's could be Kiritsugu, Archer, Gilgamesh, Kirei, or evil Saber. As for Illya, she would probably try and kill her, and maybe try and take her place.
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C4d
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Illyas evil clone is just a copy of her and then they team up.
Also i don't know if this has come up somewhere before but could Kayaba have somehow piggybacked the whole simulation into a part of the Moon Cell that he established control over? in Fate/Extra the Moon Cell can support at least three full blown reality marbles and hundreds of heroic spirits. A part of it with sufficient power to run Aincrad would likely be insignificantly small in comparison to the rest.
TheLastOne
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Yes, but Cardinal probably doesn't know, because Kayaba is clearly not Atlas trained at all. He doesn't have their unique style of alchemy.
I'm pretty sure Moon Cell is only a thing in the spin offs, and not there in the main line Tskukihime/FSN nasuverse.
Spectrum
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I'm pretty sure we already know what happens with Ilya gets an evil clone.
Z000
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the evil clone is the pink oneI'm pretty sure we already know what happens with Ilya gets an evil clone.
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I'm pretty sure we already know what happens with Ilya gets an evil clone.
Yeah but Kuro's not the evil clone. She's the experienced one.
I won't push the rating anymore, but I'm sure you can all fill in the rest of the details.
Olivebirdy
mook.
It is pretty hard to reconcile Prisma Ilya with Ilya Einzbern. What character traits do they have in common?
Z000
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other then their huge MP bar
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Prisma-lya is a fake personality Iri put on Orginal-lya so that she can live a normal live with out all the magic shit
Kuro-lya is more like Original-lya but with more anger and snark ( probably from EMIYA Archer card influence)
Doesn't exist in the main timeline (Fate), but yes people involved with magic in Extra's Earth know about the Moon Cell, that's why the Mages entered the grail war to get a chance to access the Moon Cell and get control over it, and why the space landing in the moon was stopped in the extra timeline.
Ridiculously Average Guy
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Oh hey, that would make it pretty close to underworld (actilization arc). In that, while it's maintained(?) by the minds of the people, it still has a Virtual Space base. Admittedly, the virtual part of Underworld is pretty crude, not nearly as well put together a SAO.
Iirc, Shamans through millennia could enter the damn thing by getting high.
Olivebirdy
mook.
I don't think Kuro has anything in common with FSN Ilya either.
Got a question for who ever wants it, but in fate stay night is full on shapeshifting possible? And if it is, could it be implemented in this story somehow? Like someone wants to be like a dragon, so they alter their skin to be tougher, and scaled. Then they give themselves claws/talons. Each step taking them closer to full transformation.
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It's possible to become something close to a dragon sure, but not an actual Dragon - those are all hidden on the Far Side of the World and breathe straight Prana and other such things.
That being said, as you did it you'd become less human and you'd inevitably hit a point where you just weren't human anymore. Like if you start adopting Dead Apostle traits, eventually you're going to be a Dead Apostle. It's a one-way street too - you can't revert and return to being human.
Curious, why would you not be able to revert? Turning into a true dragon would be a bit much.
Kuro is basically what you get if FSN Illya was a prisoner in her own body (conscious, but incapable of doing anything) for a few years, and then afterwards felt no need whatsoever to obey any form of authority, caring only about taking whatever she personally wants.
Didn't Vortigern manage to successfully turn into one and turn back when he was defeated?
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You'd be altering your soul as you altered your body - it's the same principle as to why someone just can't stop being a Dead Apostle - your base nature has been irrevocably altered.
-shrugs- I'm relatively unfamiliar with Garden of Avalon so I couldn't comment on whatever was going on there.
I thought one of the problems of a dead apostle was that their bodies where inherently unstable, and most of of them were turned against their will? But yeah that does make sense in some ways, yet at the same time a voluntary transformation seems like it would be easier to undo.
Olivebirdy
mook.
I disagree. I hold that she has no common character traits with Fate Stay Night Ilya. If you wish to disagree, what does she have in common?
Same thing with Prisma Ilya, it seems they just made a fanfic, having nothing in common with the canon character other than a certain amount of impatience.