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It could be taken that the backstory wasn't to deceive others, but to deceive Shirou? It might honestly be taken as a deeper part of the game or something by others.
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Goddamn Last Episode, and this interpretation, is so garbage, I prefer Continuation of the Dream so much more.
8.2, the second half, where Kirito busts into the room like he's Kramer
honestly I'm surprised he knocked8.2 said:
also pasting from FFN is really awful, it doesn't copy any of the spacing. I guess that's because of their scripting that normally prevents highlighting and copying.
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Shirou remembers his life before the fire just fine. Well he repressed some of the memories so he tries his best not to think of them but its mentioned in the Fate route that right after the fire he would go to his house that wasn't there, walk through a hallway that wasn't there, and greet his mother who wasn't there. This continued until he finally accepted that this wasn't all just a bad dream he would wake up from.
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After Shirou decided to move forward in place of everyone that died in the fire, he sealed all the memories he had before that including of his parents as that Shirou was already 'dead'.
We've already seen a ghost* NPC at some point. I don't think a player making some sort of a deal with a still "living" NPC to get a smarter, more independent familiar is out of the question; probably something like a [Ghost Knight] (or something else that has a high "freak out Shirou" quotient).
(*ish, there was an argument)
He didn't seal them, he discarded them. He had to keep moving, and surviving.
How is it garbage, it gives a chance for them to be together again, and prevents Shirou turning out like Archer. This is actually my favorite ending.
While that would indeed be hilarious...
...in canon SAO it was considered to be an incredibly strong Taboo to ask people about their Real Life, for obvious reasons. I haven't seen anything in this story that make me think the situation is any different so far.
Ah my mistake
Modify the URL slightly to access the mobile version of the page. None of that scripting exists on the mobile website.
yeah but then I have to use the mobile site
I mean, I can highlight and copy and paste fine thanks to some userscript I installed years ago when they first did it, it just doesn't seem to copy the spacing correctly.
Because the whole point of Continuation of the Dream, and the Fate route as a whole, was accepting the past and moving forward, not clinging to the past and chasing your dead waifu so hard you give the universe a hernia and unite.
Saber was released from her past weighing her down, and was instead able to look back on her life with pride, and she became happy and found rest, peace.
Shirou took to heart what he learned and strengthened his resolve. He would never forget all the good, but as it was he was moving forward towards new dawns. No regrets, season of new beginnings, walking to school with Rin, all that stuff.
But Last Episode is essentially immense backtracking of the greatest magnitude where he was so weighed down by Saber's absence that he instead abandoned any idea of moving on and instead pursues Saber endlessly. He's supposed to be chasing their ideal, the dream they shared, not her, personally.
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I'm not sure there's that much of a difference between "sealing" and "discarding," in practice, here. Shirou was not a magus at that point in time and had no special ability to manipulate his own memories; while his mental image might be different, the underlying psychology will be mostly independent of his actual will, depending only on mundane psychology plus whatever lingering effects that cursed fire might have had.
Olivebirdy
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Which was utter bullshit. He can hit a target with a bow every time, that's much less difficult than throwing a dart over his shoulder without looking and getting a bullseye.
No, it's exactly as difficult.
The thing is, Shirou's kyudo has almost nothing to do with anything we'd recognize as archery. It's honestly closer to magecraft, a path to the Root.
Kyudo's eight-step process begins with making yourself empty (which, I mean, Shirou), perfectly empathizing with the target (...accumulated years) and then identifying oneself with the arrow and the target at once, at which point striking the target becomes a matter of proprioception. It's as much philosophy as martial art.
As a result, the actual conditions are irrelevant. Hitting a rotating palm-sized paper bullseye in a windstorm three miles away is exactly as difficult as hitting a target two inches from your nose, so long as the shot is "possible" - because you're not doing any of the computation, you're taking a conceptual shortcut.
Think of it as Shirou having a high rank in an archery-style Breathing and Walking-alike.
and when you cut out all the poetic bullcrap it really just boils down to "If I believe I'll see my dead girlfriend again and never stop trying to, then one day I will. Because, you know, I'll be dead too."
Edit: I always thought that the Last Episode End was more of a continuation from Fate's end, it wasn't so much of turning back from the morals of the Fate route as a way of rewarding Shirou and Saber. If Shirou could stay true to his ideals and see his path to the end and if Saber, who had already accepted her past, never forgot about what made her move on from her past then maybe, just maybe, at the end they might discover that which was lost was not as far gone as they believed.
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Which is absurdly impressive all on it's own.
Olivebirdy
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I've read the conversation with Archer too. And the one with Mitzusuri. I don't think this interpretation is borne out by the text. Philosophically, sure. But in practice?
I think the only Archers who are really better at Archery than EMIYA are the freaks from the AoG. You know the demigods and monsters and such that human limits never really applied to in the first place. Too many people always turn Shirou into a swordsman (which is understandable given that both Shirou and EMIYA were canonically prone to using melee instead of just putting an arrow in the target's chest) when his true (and really only) talent lies in the bow (or being a housewife).
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I kind of feel like he'd be super-talented at any and every martial art he did, because he is in a sense a weapon himself. The reason he's so good at kyudo is just because that's the martial art he got involved with, he probably would have been even more of a monster compared to his peers if he picked kendo instead.
And EMIYA's whole battle style was based on assuming he was the more skilled fighter. Never the fastest or strongest, but the most skilled, with better feints and better timing. It was a style lacking in pride... but it was still predicated on EMIYA having better technique than anyone.
In a way it's kind of ironic; he's almost ideally suited to Tohsaka Nagato's "approach Root with Kung Fu" magecraft, but that's not really what Nagato's descendants do anymore.
I kind of feel like he'd be super-talented at any and every martial art he did, because he is in a sense a weapon himself. The reason he's so good at kyudo is just because that's the martial art he got involved with, he probably would have been even more of a monster compared to his peers if he picked kendo instead.
And EMIYA's whole battle style was based on assuming he was the more skilled fighter. Never the fastest or strongest, but the most skilled, with better feints and better timing. It was a style lacking in pride... but it was still predicated on EMIYA having better technique than anyone.
In a way it's kind of ironic; he's almost ideally suited to Tohsaka Nagato's "approach Root with Kung Fu" magecraft, but that's not really what Nagato's descendants do anymore.
I think "skilled" isn't quite the right word for this.
At actual fighting he isn't the most skilled (he openly admits that Saber is way, way more skilled at using a sword than he is), but his pragmatism and lack of any pride in his own skills open up way more options for him in combat, and let him fight in ways that opponents of similar ability would never expect.
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Shirou also cheats thanks to UBW.
he got the weapons history (which includes the user/s skills.) He can use that to test out good and bad ideas. He can also read his enemy fighting style and adjust his style to perfectly counter his enemy.
Unless they use fists or something.
he got the weapons history (which includes the user/s skills.) He can use that to test out good and bad ideas. He can also read his enemy fighting style and adjust his style to perfectly counter his enemy.
Unless they use fists or something.
Olivebirdy
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He himself believes he's good at it because of his magecraft practice, practice at making himself one with his objective.
The way I see Emiya and his fighting style is that it's based on the assumption that anyone he fights who has skill will use a weapon, because that's the sensible approach. Exceptions like Bazzett do exist but they are exceptions. Monsters and won't use weapons but he will have the skill advantage on them so it evens out.
When the enemy does have a weapon though UBW kicks in and downloads everything about it to him, including the skill of the people who have used it.
So by reading the enemy's skill through their weapon he enters the fight already knowing all their tricks and patterns. It's the difference between fighting a boss in Dark Souls for the first time and fighting it after 50 tries. Emiya gets to skip to attempt 50 right from the start.
When the enemy does have a weapon though UBW kicks in and downloads everything about it to him, including the skill of the people who have used it.
So by reading the enemy's skill through their weapon he enters the fight already knowing all their tricks and patterns. It's the difference between fighting a boss in Dark Souls for the first time and fighting it after 50 tries. Emiya gets to skip to attempt 50 right from the start.
So EMIYA's power is that he's really good at "Git Gud, Son." So good, in fact, that he can do it first try.
This I agree with, well put. I never saw it as Shirou abandoning his way, I saw it as a reward for sticking to his beliefs no matter what.